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Clandestine global evil
She did both good and bad things, much like any other Prime Minister. I'd advise, you know...a book, or two...rather than the forum of pop singer to understand anything beyond soundites.
Margaret Thatcher
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Morning Star
For Eurocommunism!
Whether Britain has a 'soul' or not, Thatcher did fundamentally change Britain. Her major achievements were the bringing down of inflation from 22% in the early 1980s to 7% by 1987, the privatisation of major industries, a victory over Argentina in the Falklands and the defeat of Labour at three elections. However these 'achievements' were at a huge socio-economic and political cost. Each of these achievements led to major repercussions. The battling of inflation was only managed by raising unemployment to catastrophic heights; the privatisation of industries led to more unemployment and to less people able to access services; the Falklands War was an unnecessary war that led to nearly 1,000 British troops dying or being injured for a a little neo-colonial romp. Alongside this, Thatcher's socio-economic and law and order policies contributed to the outbreak of riots in 1980, 1981, 1985 and 1990. Thatcher also further restricted the immigration laws under the 1981 British Nationality Act so that essentially only white migrants were accepted. I would say that Thatcher's Prime Ministership was a watershed moment in British history, but this moment was disastrous for many.
ExpectingToFly
Active Member
Morning Star, spot on, a great assessment.
First of all, I find Che Guevara t-shirt thing a total nonsense, ironic in a way, as he's turned into some sort of fashion statement that some capitalist is making money off of, no doubt. Anyway, thats besides the point
So, I shouldn't hold an opinion that others share? I think I see your point about people believing things without researching the facts thereself, but I know enough about Thatcher and her policies to form my own opinion that I despise the woman. I'm not allowed to hold these opinions because of my age? When is one allowed to start forming political opinions?
As Edward Heath I think said, she sold off the family silver, ie she sold off everything we owned. She destroyed the trade unions, she left many suffering as a result of her free market agenda. Her greatest achievement? In her own words, "New Labour". That is her legacy, it is still being felt today. Her actions, as I said before, were one of "me, me, me". She said that there was "no such thing as society". Thats what I was trying to get at when I talked about the "soul" of a country, I meant that she changed attitudes, she changed the way people thought. Our society is more materialistic, more money driven than before. I might not have experienced this first hand, but greed is the basis of the free market agenda she created, the same policy that has been continued until today, the one that has so spectacularly failed in recent months. That is Thatcherism.
I'm sorry if taking an interest in the history of your country is frowned upon, but I think history is important in knowing where you are going as a country. She changed the direction for the worst, and only understanding the mistakes of the past can we make a better future. Thatcher stands for everything I detest in life, and I make no apologies for what I said about her.
First of all, I find Che Guevara t-shirt thing a total nonsense, ironic in a way, as he's turned into some sort of fashion statement that some capitalist is making money off of, no doubt. Anyway, thats besides the point
So, I shouldn't hold an opinion that others share? I think I see your point about people believing things without researching the facts thereself, but I know enough about Thatcher and her policies to form my own opinion that I despise the woman. I'm not allowed to hold these opinions because of my age? When is one allowed to start forming political opinions?
As Edward Heath I think said, she sold off the family silver, ie she sold off everything we owned. She destroyed the trade unions, she left many suffering as a result of her free market agenda. Her greatest achievement? In her own words, "New Labour". That is her legacy, it is still being felt today. Her actions, as I said before, were one of "me, me, me". She said that there was "no such thing as society". Thats what I was trying to get at when I talked about the "soul" of a country, I meant that she changed attitudes, she changed the way people thought. Our society is more materialistic, more money driven than before. I might not have experienced this first hand, but greed is the basis of the free market agenda she created, the same policy that has been continued until today, the one that has so spectacularly failed in recent months. That is Thatcherism.
I'm sorry if taking an interest in the history of your country is frowned upon, but I think history is important in knowing where you are going as a country. She changed the direction for the worst, and only understanding the mistakes of the past can we make a better future. Thatcher stands for everything I detest in life, and I make no apologies for what I said about her.
CharethCutestory
Active Member
Morning Star, spot on, a great assessment.
First of all, I find Che Guevara t-shirt thing a total nonsense, ironic in a way, as he's turned into some sort of fashion statement that some capitalist is making money off of, no doubt. Anyway, thats besides the point
So, I shouldn't hold an opinion that others share? I think I see your point about people believing things without researching the facts thereself, but I know enough about Thatcher and her policies to form my own opinion that I despise the woman. I'm not allowed to hold these opinions because of my age? When is one allowed to start forming political opinions?
As Edward Heath I think said, she sold off the family silver, ie she sold off everything we owned. She destroyed the trade unions, she left many suffering as a result of her free market agenda. Her greatest achievement? In her own words, "New Labour". That is her legacy, it is still being felt today. Her actions, as I said before, were one of "me, me, me". She said that there was "no such thing as society". Thats what I was trying to get at when I talked about the "soul" of a country, I meant that she changed attitudes, she changed the way people thought. Our society is more materialistic, more money driven than before. I might not have experienced this first hand, but greed is the basis of the free market agenda she created, the same policy that has been continued until today, the one that has so spectacularly failed in recent months. That is Thatcherism.
I'm sorry if taking an interest in the history of your country is frowned upon, but I think history is important in knowing where you are going as a country. She changed the direction for the worst, and only understanding the mistakes of the past can we make a better future. Thatcher stands for everything I detest in life, and I make no apologies for what I said about her.
Plus, Turkish delight is f***ing minging!
Superhans
Banned
Morning Star, spot on, a great assessment.
First of all, I find Che Guevara t-shirt thing a total nonsense, ironic in a way, as he's turned into some sort of fashion statement that some capitalist is making money off of, no doubt. Anyway, thats besides the point
So, I shouldn't hold an opinion that others share? I think I see your point about people believing things without researching the facts thereself, but I know enough about Thatcher and her policies to form my own opinion that I despise the woman. I'm not allowed to hold these opinions because of my age? When is one allowed to start forming political opinions?
As Edward Heath I think said, she sold off the family silver, ie she sold off everything we owned. She destroyed the trade unions, she left many suffering as a result of her free market agenda. Her greatest achievement? In her own words, "New Labour". That is her legacy, it is still being felt today. Her actions, as I said before, were one of "me, me, me". She said that there was "no such thing as society". Thats what I was trying to get at when I talked about the "soul" of a country, I meant that she changed attitudes, she changed the way people thought. Our society is more materialistic, more money driven than before. I might not have experienced this first hand, but greed is the basis of the free market agenda she created, the same policy that has been continued until today, the one that has so spectacularly failed in recent months. That is Thatcherism.
I'm sorry if taking an interest in the history of your country is frowned upon, but I think history is important in knowing where you are going as a country. She changed the direction for the worst, and only understanding the mistakes of the past can we make a better future. Thatcher stands for everything I detest in life, and I make no apologies for what I said about her.
As I said, it wasn't a personal viewpoint against you, it was more an observation on many students. Clearly, you wouldn't fall into that category. As as a student myself, I see a lot of it at closehand. They all claim to hate Thatcher, but actually know nothing at all about her, they simply hate her because it's considered the 'done thing', and no doubt the people they aspire to be are probably saying the same thing, which is why they say it.
However, I do stand by my idea of saying she changed the soul of country to be a little silly. It's not frowning in taking an interest in your country, nothing of the sort. Looking at the policies she made (which are factual) and then basing a judgement that you think she was awful on those is something I never claimed to be a stupid thing to do. It's the whole 'soul' of the country thing. As someone who is not old enough to remember anything about living under Margaret Thatcher myself I could never claim that the soul of the country was altered, because how could I know? That's an opinion based on the opinion of others.
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Mclenarr
New Member
Morning Star, spot on, a great assessment.
First of all, I find Che Guevara t-shirt thing a total nonsense, ironic in a way, as he's turned into some sort of fashion statement that some capitalist is making money off of, no doubt. Anyway, thats besides the point
So, I shouldn't hold an opinion that others share? I think I see your point about people believing things without researching the facts thereself, but I know enough about Thatcher and her policies to form my own opinion that I despise the woman. I'm not allowed to hold these opinions because of my age? When is one allowed to start forming political opinions?
As Edward Heath I think said, she sold off the family silver, ie she sold off everything we owned. She destroyed the trade unions, she left many suffering as a result of her free market agenda. Her greatest achievement? In her own words, "New Labour". That is her legacy, it is still being felt today. Her actions, as I said before, were one of "me, me, me". She said that there was "no such thing as society". Thats what I was trying to get at when I talked about the "soul" of a country, I meant that she changed attitudes, she changed the way people thought. Our society is more materialistic, more money driven than before. I might not have experienced this first hand, but greed is the basis of the free market agenda she created, the same policy that has been continued until today, the one that has so spectacularly failed in recent months. That is Thatcherism.
I'm sorry if taking an interest in the history of your country is frowned upon, but I think history is important in knowing where you are going as a country. She changed the direction for the worst, and only understanding the mistakes of the past can we make a better future. Thatcher stands for everything I detest in life, and I make no apologies for what I said about her.
Well my dad spent the 70's in a steel works turning a lathe. It was a pure grind then by the late 80's he'd moved us into a middle class house and we were doing very nicely so it just goes to show some working class people did very well under her. I just find it hard to belive he'd have been able to do that if someone like tony benn had've got into #10!!
If a loada people ended up on the dole 'cause of her or w/e so what? Who are those people? SOme kinda sacred cows? No, mate they were just your run of the mill cheap and nasty working class crude, thoughtless and very often bulllying meanass!! f*** 'em, they're not worth bothering about...You don't think they'd care about you do you?
ExpectingToFly
Active Member
I think that post just proved the kind of attitudes I was referring to.
Mclenarr
New Member
It probably did...An attitude born out of experensing the harsh reality of what people are like. You seem to think that the working class are somekind of precious endangered species...these aren't nice people, lemme tell you. It's like someone early said the were riots because of Thatcher!! That just boggles my mind. The f***in' rioters had no choice? They had to riot!! Yeah,, right!!
IDon'tOweYouAnything23
New Member
No offence, but I think you're talking out of your arse with those statements.
Mclenarr
New Member
Well it's either adopt those kind of attitudes or start trusting people!!
IDon'tOweYouAnything23
New Member
Trust people maybe?
During the Thatcher period, my Mother for example had to move to the other end if the country in search of employment, because in Liverpool due to old Maggie May there were literally NO jobs. My Ma certainly was/is not a 'run of the mill cheap and nasty working class crude, thoughtless and very often bullying menace' thank you very much
Mclenarr
New Member
Trust people maybe?
I never said she was. My grudge is against the men! It's like that thing on the One show when Morrissey said he didn't care about white collar workers and the presenters were like 'ooooo!'. Would those white collar workers give a shit if adrian chiles or that f***in' bitch with the legs got laid off. Would they f***! So, what are they doing getting all 'wet' about them losing their jobs!!
One day, son, it's gonna dawn on you just how few people you'll ever meet in you're life care about you and then you'll quit all yer namby-pamby socialist crap!!
IDon'tOweYouAnything23
New Member
Well, I didn't want to have to go into my complete family history
but my Uncle also had to move to find employment! Don't hate him,will you? I'm not a white collar worker lover, I come form a strictly working class background, proper labour-workers and the like. I think it's fair enough to assume skilled labourers preparing to graft should want work, hard to come by in Thatcher's Britain. She enabled people to buy their council house, great. But what if said worker bought his house (when in work) and then was laid off due to Maggie's cuts, how's he gonna pay the mortgage then? She crippled alot of cities, incluiding mine. I'm not sure I'll ever quit my namby-pamby socialist crap to be honest
(P.s I for one would be a bit gutted if that lady with the lovely legs was swerved off the one show
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Mclenarr
New Member
Well, I didn't want to have to go into my complete family history
I'm not sure I'll ever quit my namby-pamby socialist crap to be honest
(P.s I for one would be a bit gutted if that lady with the lovely legs was swerved off the one show
What about all the unemployment under labour in the 70's?
p.s: yeah, the lady with the legs...just what organ of your'e body do you think with! I can't really criticise for that though, i can't say i'd have been watching Corry all these yrs. without some delectable femmes to admire...so, you can have that one!!
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CharethCutestory
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The authentic stuff can be ok so long as it isn't the pink one (that's rose flavour you know, ROSE! Who the hell wants to eat roses for Christ's sake?), the lemon one in particular is alright. However the chocolate covered one is made from the worst tasting shit on the planet.
malvachat
My eyes are now open
My father gave me some advice when I was young.It still holds true.
Don't waste time trying to talk sense to Tories,it doesn't work.
They are your enemy.
Fight them with any means you can.
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Don't waste time trying to talk sense to Tories,it doesn't work.
They are your enemy.
Fight them with any means you can.
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Now playing: Aztec Camera - The Red Flag
via FoxyTunes
Stefan Krix
Collector's guild
For all who dislike her:
http://www.chumba.com/thatchep.html
Chumbawamba - In Memoriam: Margaret Thatcher EP
Already recorded, pressed and ready to go, this EP will be mailed out to everyone who orders it in advance – mailed out on the day the Milk Snatcher waves a less-than-fond farewell.
Pay your £5 now in the knowledge that, come the morning after the glorious day, you’ll have this exclusive and unavailable-elsewhere CD dropping tombstone-like onto your doormat.
The songs on the EP won’t be available as downloads, give-aways or bad cassette copies; the only way to secure the In Memoriam EP will be by ordering in advance. It may happen next month, it may happen in five years, but by ordering now you can rest easy in the knowledge that you’ve put a down-payment on a small and perfectly-formed segment of the celebrations.
http://www.chumba.com/thatchep.html
Chumbawamba - In Memoriam: Margaret Thatcher EP
Already recorded, pressed and ready to go, this EP will be mailed out to everyone who orders it in advance – mailed out on the day the Milk Snatcher waves a less-than-fond farewell.
Pay your £5 now in the knowledge that, come the morning after the glorious day, you’ll have this exclusive and unavailable-elsewhere CD dropping tombstone-like onto your doormat.
The songs on the EP won’t be available as downloads, give-aways or bad cassette copies; the only way to secure the In Memoriam EP will be by ordering in advance. It may happen next month, it may happen in five years, but by ordering now you can rest easy in the knowledge that you’ve put a down-payment on a small and perfectly-formed segment of the celebrations.
CharethCutestory
Active Member
Probably a good idea that he didn't bring that up during World war II.
malvachat
My eyes are now open
Why's that then?
Is fighting for you country only for Tories then?
And as fascism is a right wing trait I would think fighting it is a good thing.
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