Morrissey is right, to a degree. I've been round Europe and the world a lot this year, and in certain cities here in the UK, he's right about the loss of identity. Less so in Ireland as a whole, and Scotland for that matter.
Peter
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Morrissey is right, to a degree. I've been round Europe and the world a lot this year, and in certain cities here in the UK, he's right about the loss of identity. Less so in Ireland as a whole, and Scotland for that matter.
Peter
moz'art girl
oh la la
Morrissey's parents did not prone communitarism, is that so difficult to understand?
PregnantForTheLastTime
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Ok, so go start a "Morrissey's Chair Frink Thread" and let's get this back on topic, shall we?
Immigration is a problem but not for the reasons Morrissey states. His problem is he doesn't live here and he knows nothing about the country other than passing through London and holing up at his mum's house whenever he's got time off.
I hardly think Knightsbridge is typical of England. The centre of London is full of workers who will stay in the country for a few years then return home. The idea that that changes the essential character of the rest of country is ridiculous. The character of England is still pretty much as it was.
The real problem with immigration isn't cultural, it's economic. The way the bosses use the cheap labour from abroad to force all wages down. So the rich get richer and the poor (native and immigrant) get poorer.
And how ridiculous to say we shouldn't discuss politics on a Morrissey board!
I hardly think Knightsbridge is typical of England. The centre of London is full of workers who will stay in the country for a few years then return home. The idea that that changes the essential character of the rest of country is ridiculous. The character of England is still pretty much as it was.
The real problem with immigration isn't cultural, it's economic. The way the bosses use the cheap labour from abroad to force all wages down. So the rich get richer and the poor (native and immigrant) get poorer.
And how ridiculous to say we shouldn't discuss politics on a Morrissey board!
moz'art girl
oh la la
Maybe you say so, because you were born a long time after 1959?
Maybe you say so, because you were born a long time after 1959?
no, I say it because I live in a normal working classed racially mixed London suburb where most people have English accents. I also work for a large firm in London, where again, most people have English accents and whose culture is predominately recognisably English.
Morrissey is making judgements based on a few walks around central London and assuming all these people with "foreign" accents are indicative of the rest of the country. What he doesn't realise is most of them are probably tourists, students or young people from Europe here to make some money for a few years before going back home.
Theo
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As an American you don't find it distressing that the country that was most influencial in giving us our culture, language, politics, legal system, etc., is allowing its culture to be wiped out by multiculturalists who seem to think it's groovy that London is now referred to as Londonistan? Is it wrong to love and want to preserve your cultural inheritance, espeically one so great as Britain's that has had such a positive influence in making the modern world what it is today?
The problem is not that there's immigration. Immigration is a very healthy thing when done properly. The problem is the lack of assimilation and the influx of great numbers of religious extremists. It's, for example, Muslims coming to England not because they love English culture and wanna be a part of it as well as influence it back in a positive manner, but they come while actually hating England and its culture and wanting to destroy it from within.
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Oh yeah no shit.
I was saying that out of all the quotes they could've used, they had to use that one.
criminallyshy
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Reading this post is like reading the bloody Daily Mail or Torygraph. There is so much hysterical negativity about immigration. All countries need immigration to renew themselves and move forward. The United States would be nowhere if it were not for the constant influx of migrants from over all over the world. All in all immigration has been good for Britain too. The recent arrivals from Eastern Europe have made a great contribution to the British economy and employment is at a record high. Don't listen to all the hype from the tabloids, they just want scapegoats to vent their bile on.
vivabob
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i dont think it is clear , it could possibly be a story manipulated to make an issue and by mass comment on the topic fuel is added to the fire
as i said earlier i dont like to comment untill i read it
(snapyou i normally agree with everything you say ... i just dont like the feeling on this whole topic )
vivabob
Ordinary Boy
Is it just me or do we have a lot of new members on here tonight making comments on imigration and not morrissey
as i say i think there is a place and it might not be here , wouldnt surprise me if we had some NME journalists on making this a bigger issue than it is to sell papers
or is it just me watching to many episodes of the x files
as i say i think there is a place and it might not be here , wouldnt surprise me if we had some NME journalists on making this a bigger issue than it is to sell papers
or is it just me watching to many episodes of the x files
PregnantForTheLastTime
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I could be wrong. Forgive me if I am. But today, America is accused of trying to colonize the world, trying to convert the rest of the world to our way of thinking. And here's the part maybe I am misunderstanding. Isn't that pretty much what England tried to do for centuries? What the hell was India then? And the colonization of what's now America? I will freely confess that I am not a historian, but I think I got the gist of it. Colonialism isn't very nice. Maybe England is reaping what it sowed.
Change is the only constant, get used to it. You can't have global transit and instant communication and international trade and massive multinational corporations without homogenization. Just as blond hair and blue eyes will eventually be bred out of humanity, so will individual cultures... and languages. We're not only rendering other species extinct, we are extinguishing our own cultural heritage, all over the world.
Well, Theo's not new, if that's whom you're talking about. As we speak, he's viewing this thread to see what kind of reaction his, uh, reactionary post caused.
PregnantForTheLastTime
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Theo said one good thing: "f*** it, dude, let's go bowling."
You misunderstand that some people aren't actually new members.
Danny_ is Danny who lost the original account's password and criminallyshy made his/her first post, but registered here a year ago.
Good to have many people joining the discussion.
And who could disagree with that? Too bad the bowling alley near my house hasn't been rebuilt since its roof collapsed last winter.
Prejudiced people are quick to jump onto the anti-Muslim bandwagon and assume that is what Morrissey is talking about.
From what he is saying he is not talking about immigrants from Asia. He is talking about more recent immigration. Anyone who lives in London knows that in the past few years the main immigrants have been European since the new EU regulations have come into force. That's what Morrissey is talking about when he says about the different languages being spoken. A friend of mine who visited me a couple of years ago after living and working here five years before that was amazed at the amount of Europeans in London.
From what he is saying he is not talking about immigrants from Asia. He is talking about more recent immigration. Anyone who lives in London knows that in the past few years the main immigrants have been European since the new EU regulations have come into force. That's what Morrissey is talking about when he says about the different languages being spoken. A friend of mine who visited me a couple of years ago after living and working here five years before that was amazed at the amount of Europeans in London.
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