Is Morrissey alright in the head?

One of the signs of having Border Personality Disorder is that the sufferer can be best friends with someone, then without explanation that friend can be banished to the dungeon forever with no explanation or reasoning.

With what was posted recently about Morrissey's difficult relationships with others and with him cutting the ties with so many, do you think it's possible that Morrissey might have some mild form of BPD? I haven't read up fully on the illness so I could be wrong.

Morrissey if you are reading this from your home in LA I think you're the full quid

> Morrissey if you are reading this from your home in LA I think you're the
> full quid

Hedging your bets eh?

> Hedging your bets eh?

When I get the invite for tea and toast at his place you'll be sorry

> > Morrissey if you are reading this from your home in LA I think you're the
> full quid

The full quid?! haha.. v quaint you crawling Kiwi!

The full 20p more like.

Ruffian

Ok, last Friday they made me do a psychometric test and they deduced our 'Myers-Briggs Type Indicators' (MBTI). Apparently this is a common test around the world. They told me I'm a ISTJ person. NO surprise to me. But I'm Jung at heart.

Here's a link to the test
www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp

I wonder what Morrissey is?

You don't have to believe all this MBTI stuff. But it is quite fun to do.

> The full quid?! haha.. v quaint you crawling Kiwi!

> The full 20p more like.

> Ruffian




This describes the 16 types

> One of the signs of having Border Personality Disorder is that the
> sufferer can be best friends with someone, then without explanation that
> friend can be banished to the dungeon forever with no explanation or
> reasoning.

So that's what it is!! That explains it. Everyone I've ever met has got that.

It's not as if I'm an awkward , cantankerous curmudgeon who's hard to get on with.

Dungeon-dwelling McCann.

> Ok, last Friday they made me do a psychometric test and they deduced our
> 'Myers-Briggs Type Indicators' (MBTI). Apparently this is a common test
> around the world. They told me I'm a ISTJ person. NO surprise to me. But
> I'm Jung at heart.

Heh heh, we had to do those earlier in the year. There's a difference of one letter in our personality types Tingle.

I'm INTJ, whatever that may mean...

> Ok, last Friday they made me do a psychometric test and they deduced our
> 'Myers-Briggs Type Indicators' (MBTI). Apparently this is a common test
> around the world. They told me I'm a ISTJ person. NO surprise to me. But
> I'm Jung at heart.

> Here's a link to the test
> www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp I wonder what Morrissey is?

> You don't have to believe all this MBTI stuff. But it is quite fun to do.

> I'm INTJ, whatever that may mean...

Snap!

I think
...may be a stretch.....

Steven may have Asperger's syndrome

routines, rituals, solitude, asexuality, difficulties in relationships, not looking in eyes...California is at the forefront for Autism treatment/research- Asperger's syndrome is a high-functioning form...I shall put a list of famous "weirdos" geniuses....
Well-read, free associations.....
Look at facts, angelic photographs of him at a young age... AS men are very misunderstood - Social awkwardness is just one of many things-- experimenting sexually...not experimenting...Odd gait while walking..the TWEED....

Famous people with autistic traits
Fictional, real, historical and contemporary celebrities
Only a person's close friends or relatives, or doctors, are likely to be able to judge whether he or she can be diagnosed with autism or Asperger's syndrome (AS). But it is illuminating to learn of people with similar characteristics to ourselves, especially when those people are successful or well-known. For this reason, I have listed here some well-known people who have shown some autistic or AS traits. Some may have autism or AS, in their mild or severe forms. Others may be elsewhere on the autistic continuum. And others listed may just be unusual individuals.

I hope you appreciate this page. If you think other famous people should be added, please e-mail me at richardg_uk@yahoo.com including a brief explanation of why you think they have autistic traits. Please send any comments or suggested links to the same address.

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Fictional characters
Television characters
NEARLY NEW Alex P Keaton, played by Michael J Fox in Family Ties, USA 1982-1989
Basil Fawlty, played by John Cleese in Fawlty Towers, BBC 1975-1979
Bert (voiced by Frank Oz) in Sesame Street, USA 1969-
Cliff Clavin, played by John Ratzenberger in Cheers, USA 1982-1993
Daria Morgendorffer (voiced by Tracy Grandstaff) in Daria, MTV cartoon USA 1997-
Jim Dial, played by Charles Kimbrough in Murphy Brown, USA 1988-1998
Lisa Simpson (voiced by Yeardley Smith) and Moe (Moe Szyslak of Moe's Tavern, voiced by Hank Azaria) in The Simpsons cartoon, USA 1989-
Martin Miller ("Ben's little brother") played by Matthew Buckley in Grange Hill, Children's BBC UK 1978-
Mr Bean, played by Rowan Atkinson in the eponymous TV series UK 1989- and film Bean UK/USA 1997-
Taz Tasmanian Devil (voiced by Jim Cummings) in Taz-Mania, USA cartoon 1991-1993
Steven Quincy "Steve" Urkel / Myrtle Urkel / Stephan Urquell, played by Jaleel White in Family Matters, USA 1989-1998
Dr Victor Ehrlich and Dr Mark Craig, played by Ed Begley Jr and William Daniels, in Saint Elsewhere, USA 1982-1988
TV Aliens/Extra-Terrestrials
Mr Spock, played by Leonard Nimoy in Star Trek, TV and films, USA 1966-
Data and Reginald Barclay, played by Brent Spiner and Dwight Schultz in Star Trek: The Next Generation, USA 1987-1994
Seven of Nine and The Doctor, played by Jeri Ryan and Robert Picardo in Star Trek: Voyager, USA 1995-
The Doctor, The Daleks and The Cybermen, from Dr Who, BBC TV and films UK 1963-1989
Mork, played by Robin Williams in Mork and Mindy, USA 1978-1982
Dick, Sally, Harry and Tommy Solomon, played by John Lithgow, Kristen Johnston, French Stewart and Joseph Gordon-Levitt in 3rd Rock from the Sun, USA 1996-
Film characters
Andrew Martin the robot, played by Robin Williams in Bicentennial Man, USA 1999 from a story by Isaac Asimov (see below)
Barry, played by Jack Black in High Fidelity, USA 2000 (based on the book of the same name by Nick Hornby, whose son is autistic)
Benjie, played by Oliver Conant in Summer of '42, USA 1971
Chance the Gardener ("Chauncy Gardener"), played by Peter Sellers in Being There, USA 1979
Charly Gordon, played by Cliff Robertson in Charly, USA 1968; also known as Charlie Gordon, played by Matthew Modine, in Flowers for Algernon, USA 2000; based on the novel by Daniel Keyes
Cody, played by Holliston Coleman in Bless the Child, USA 2000
Edward Scissorhands, played by Johnny Depp in Edward Scissorhands, USA 1990
Herbie Stempel, played by John Turturro in Quiz Show, USA 1994
"Joon" (Juniper Pearl), played by Mary Stuart Masterson in Benny & Joon, USA 1993
Malcolm Hughes, played by Colin Friels in Malcolm, Australia 1986
Melvin Udall, obsessive-compulsive writer played by Jack Nicholson in As Good as it Gets, USA 1997
Molly McKay, played by Elisabeth Shue in Molly, USA 1999
"Noodles" (David Aaronson), played by Robert De Niro in Once Upon a Time in America, Italy/USA 1984
"Powder" (Jeremy Reeves), played by Sean Patrick Flanery in Powder, USA 1995
Raymond Babbitt, played by Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man, USA 1988
Ricky Fitts, played by Wes Bentley in American Beauty, USA 1999
Simon Lynch, "nine-year-old autistic boy", played by Miko Hughes in Mercury Rising, USA 1998
Thomas Newton, played by David Bowie in The Man Who Fell to Earth, UK 1976
Victor, played by Jean-Pierre Cargol in L'Enfant Sauvage, directed by François Truffaut, France 1969 (based on the true story of "the wild boy of Aveyron"; see also Genie, below)
William Forrester, played by Sean Connery in Finding Forrester, UK/USA 2000
Cartoon characters
Calvin of Calvin and Hobbes, created by Bill Watterson, US
Dilbert, engineer, created by Scott Adams, US
Mr Logic, literalist character from the adult British comic Viz, inspired by Steve Donald (brother of the comic's creators)
Gerald McBoing-Boing, created by "Dr Seuss" (Theodore Seuss Geisel), US books, films and TV
Literary and stage characters
Alexandre Luzhin of The Luzhin Defence by Vladimir Nabokov, Russia/USA/Europe 1899-1977; played by John Turturro in the 2000 film
Bartleby of Bartleby, the Scrivener: A Story of Wall-Street, a short story by Herman Melville, USA 1819-1891
Billy Bibbit of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey, USA 1935-; played by Brad Dourif in the 1975 film
Frankenstein's Monster from Frankenstein, much-filmed book by Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley, England 1797-1851
Geoffrey Firmin of Under the Volcano by Malcolm Lowry, played by Albert Finney in the subsequent film
Professor Henry Higgins, the linguist in Pygmalion, a play by George Bernard Shaw (see below), staged and filmed as the musical My Fair Lady
Monsieur Hercule Poirot, Belgian private detective, from the books of Agatha Christie, England 1890-1976
Ignatius Reilly of A Confederacy of Dunces by John Kennedy Toole
Jeremy Clockson of Thief of Time by Terry Pratchett
Mary Bennet, Mr Bennet and Mr Collins from Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen (see below)
Phileas Fogg from Around the World in Eighty Days by Jules Verne, France 1828-1905
Sherlock Holmes of the detective stories by English-Scottish author Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, 1859-1930, who himself may have had some autistic traits
Characters from children's literature
Catweazle the wizard, from children's stories by Richard Carpenter, played by Geoffrey Bayldon in the UK TV series
UPDATED Pippi Longstocking or Pippi Langstrump, from the children's stories written by Astrid Lindgren, Sweden 1907-2002
Musical characters
Albert Herring from the 1947 comic opera of the same name by Benjamin Britten, England 1913-1976
Petroushka or Petrushka, the puppet, from the 1911 ballet of the same name by Igor Stravinsky, 1882-1971
Fabled characters
Domme Hans ("Stupid Hans") from the Tales of the Brothers Grimm
Brother Juniper, disciple to Saint Francis of Assisi
Historical famous people
Jane Austen, 1775-1817, English novelist, author of Pride and Prejudice (see above)
Béla Bartók, 1881-1945, Hungarian composer
Ludwig van Beethoven, 1770-1827, German/Viennese composer
AMENDED Alexander Graham Bell, 1847-1922, Scottish/Canadian/American inventor of the telephone
Anton Bruckner, 1824-1896, Austrian composer
Henry Cavendish, 1731-1810, English/French scientist, discovered the composition of air and water
Emily Dickinson, 1830-1886, US poet
Thomas Edison, 1847-1931, US inventor
Albert Einstein, 1879-1955, German/American theoretical physicist
Henry Ford, 1863-1947, US industrialist
Kaspar Hauser, c1812-1833, German foundling, portrayed in a film by Werner Herzog
Oliver Heaviside, 1850-1925, English physicist
Thomas Jefferson, 1743-1826, US politician
NEW Carl Jung, 1875-1961, Swiss psychoanalyst
Franz Kafka, 1883-1924, Czech writer
Wasily Kandinsky, 1866-1944, Russian/French painter
H P Lovecraft, 1890-1937, US writer
Ludwig II, 1845-1886, King of Bavaria
Charles Rennie Mackintosh, 1868-1928, Scottish architect and designer
NEW Gustav Mahler, 1860-1911, Czech/Austrian composer
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, 1756-1791, Austrian composer
Isaac Newton, 1642-1727, English mathematician and physicist
Friedrich Nietzsche, 1844-1900, German philosopher
Bertrand Russell, 1872-1970, British logician
George Bernard Shaw, 1856-1950, Irish playwright, writer of Pygmalion (see above), critic and Socialist
Richard Strauss, 1864-1949, German composer
Nikola Tesla, 1856-1943, Serbian/American scientist, engineer, inventor of electric motors
Henry Thoreau, 1817-1862, US writer
Alan Turing, 1912-1954, English mathematician, computer scientist and cryptographer
Mark Twain, 1835-1910, US humorist
Vincent Van Gogh, 1853-1890, Dutch painter
Ludwig Wittgenstein, 1889-1951, Viennese/English logician and philosopher
Historical people prominent in the late twentieth century (died after 1975)
Isaac Asimov, 1920-1992, Russian/US writer on science and of science fiction, author of Bicentennial Man (see above)
Hans Asperger, 1906-1980, Austrian paediatric doctor after whom Asperger's Syndrom is named
John Denver, 1943-1997, US musician
Glenn Gould, 1932-1982, Canadian pianist
Jim Henson, 1936-1990, creator of the Muppets, US puppeteer, writer, producer, director, composer
Alfred Hitchcock, 1899-1980, English/American film director
NEARLY NEW Howard Hughes, 1905-1976, US billionaire
Andy Kaufman, 1949-1984, US comedian, subject of the film Man on the Moon
L S Lowry, 1887-1976, English painter of "matchstick men"
Charles Schulz, 1922-2000, US cartoonist and creator of Peanuts and Charlie Brown
Andy Warhol, 1928-1987, US artist
Contemporary famous people
Woody Allen, 1935-, US comedian, actor, writer, director, producer, jazz clarinettist
Tony Benn, 1925-, English Labour politician
Bob Dylan, 1941-, US singer-songwriter
Joseph Erber, 1985-, young English composer/musician who has Asperger's Syndrome, subject of a BBC TV documentary
Bobby Fischer, 1943-, US chess champion
Bill Gates, 1955-, US global monopolist
Genie, 1957-?, US "wild child" (see also L'Enfant Sauvage, Victor, above)
Crispin Glover, 1964-, US actor
Al Gore, 1948-, former US Vice President and presidential candidate
Jeff Greenfield, 1943-, US political analyst/speechwriter, a political wonk
David Helfgott, 1947-, Australian pianist, subject of the film Shine
Michael Jackson, 1958-, US singer
Garrison Keillor, 1942-, US writer, humorist and host of Prairie Home Companion
Kevin Mitnick, 1963-, US "hacker"
John Motson, 1945-, English sports commentator
NEW John Nash, 1928-, US mathematician (portrayed by Russell Crowe in A Beautiful Mind, USA 2001)
Keith Olbermann, 1959-, US sportscaster
Michael Palin, 1943-, English comedian and presenter
Keanu Reeves, 1964-, Lebanese/Canadian/US actor
Oliver Sacks, 1933-, UK/US neurologist, author of The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat and Awakenings
James Taylor, 1948-, US singer/songwriter
Writers on autism
Gunilla Gerland, 1963-, Swedish
Temple Grandin, 1947-, US
Wendy Lawson, 1952-, English/Australian
Edgar Schneider, 1932-, US
Donna Williams, 1963-, Australian/English

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Remember, if you think other famous people should be added to this page, e-mail me at richardg_uk@yahoo.com including a brief explanation of why you think they have autistic traits. You can send comments or suggested links to the same address.

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> I'm INTJ, whatever that may mean...

Introverted Intuition with Extraverted Thinking

We love compled challenges and readily synthesize complicated theoretical and abstract matters. We value knowledge and expect competence of themselves and others. They especially abhor confusion, mess and inefficiency. We see things from a global perspective. We assess everything with a critical eye. We are long range planners. We present a calm and decisive face to the world. To others we become aloof and abrupt. Are critical of those who do not see their vision quickly.

I think we anal neat freaks is what they are saying

> When I get the invite for tea and toast at his place you'll be sorry

Yes, I'm sure around the same time, I would have grown a third nipple by the power of suggestion alone..

> I'm INTJ, whatever that may mean...

INTJ

The INTJ takes his/her energy from the inner world of thoughts (and, maybe, emotions). He/she prefers dealing with patterns and possibilities for the future, and making decisions using impersonal analysis. His/her life is organized on a logical basis. He/she is a strategist, identifying long term goals and organizing life to meet them. He/she tends to be skeptical and critical, both of self and others, with a keen sense of deficiencies in quality and competence. He/she often has a strong intellect, yet is able to attend to details that are relevant to the strategy.

> I think we anal neat freaks is what they are saying

So you make great librarians......

> Yes, I'm sure around the same time, I would have grown a third nipple by
> the power of suggestion alone..

Well this thought will keep me going for a couple of days...