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davidt
on Tuesday April 19 2005, @10:00AM
An anonymous person writes:
This was posted by Bernard Butler this morning on The Tears forum (www.thetears.org). It relates to the supposed comments he made about Morrissey and The Smiths' songs in an interview last week. Thanks Bernard for clearifying this issue. A rush and a push and the charts are ours... Bernard quote: right.......let's sort this out straight away,and feel free to copy it as im sure you will. what the journo left out: the queen is dead still rules my life.I listen to the smiths daily still.I love lots of Morrissey's solo records.........i have cried my way through over 20 years of his incarnations and feel very qualified to know when morrissey is on form.........and yes i presumed every line of the queen is dead was addressed personally to me i admit i was naively goaded into a rage by the lovely journalist by his suggestion that i was wasting my time with brett unless we just reformed suede and played old songs.......he admitted of course that he had yet to hear our record......in any case i only wrote one of the quoted songs and have never performed either i dont think morrissey is sad for playing smiths songs......he should be proud of them and enjoy sharing them with so many fans.......i just dont like the versions im hearing.......and the idea that they have been creatively given a new lease of life is absurd......i saw johnny transform those beautiful records into live beasts .......they are the reason i exist.......but now they sound to me like poetry readings against an overmodest backdrop,too shy to break free ......i know alan and boz and it was me that put little barrie up for the job last year.......they are all great musicians but pop records are not about poetry,they are exhilarating moments of abandon and beauty and i am not alone in still waiting for morrissey to surprise me and put himself inthe centre of some musical danger again ,not just lyrical danger......this is a genuine creative enthusiasm of a fan by having a musical opinion am i somehow spoiling the fun? well im sorry but since when did Morrissey worry about that....and the idea that what i do creatively correlates to the amount of people watching? well how come i happily turned down the offer to join the Moz in favour of playing to a few hundred like i did last night? i think its a shame that i rose to the occasion.....i dont think he's sold out,and certainly not sad..... but also a shame that so many people arent willing to be turned on by a hardcore creative standoff: if the songs i play tonight are shite then shoot me down ..... i'drather see an artist playing russian roulette with their music than getting the pipe and slippers out and living through nostalgia.........it doesnt bother me that by thetime the tears get round to learning a suede song there might only be 3 people propping upthe bar .......fuck it maybe ill learn one for tonight.......or maybe ill write something new...... and dont forget morrissey and marr taught me everything i know so don't blame me.......they remain the greatest british group and the queen is dead my favourite record of all time......my apologies for any other sentiments......wet plimsoll duly administered ---
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Right on! (Score:0)
i love bernard, he's not afraid of you (Score:3, Insightful)
Oh, and when Bernard said, "by having a musical opinion am i somehow spoiling the fun? well im sorry but since when did Morrissey worry about that....and the idea that what i do creatively correlates to the amount of people watching?" -- spot on! I said the same thing in the last thread about this.
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awesom (Score:0)
I really hope... (Score:0)
The smiths meant more to me than anything in this world but i would never slag someone off like many people have done here with Bernard butler just because he has his own opinion and i think he´s really proved that he is a genuine fan like all of us. And yes, he´s a great guitar player and The Tears are a fantastic band just like Suede were, wether you like it or not.
Ah, and not everyone in this world has the same opinion on everything which doesn´t mean they´re fools, bastards or anything similar. Grow up for god´s sake!
it almost happened! (Score:3, Insightful)
during that 7year gap Moz had w/o a record deal there were many people on this board that had said a moz/butler collaboration would be great. to think that it almost happened! imagine what they could have come up with? or maybe not (anyone who's read the suede bio knows what i'm talking about). two control-freaks at the wheel could have produced some interesting results.
joey
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Good of him to clarify (Score:0)
I like him and i like that he has bothered to explain.
Point Taken B! (Score:1)
In saying that, I was very disapointed with Headmaster Ritual in May. It was too slow, and Alain looked embarrassed at his discomfort in trying to recreate Marr's riff. I don't even think Moz should've played that song. As brutal as his school days were, he's now 45 with bigger fish to fry. Lawyers and northern leeches say nothing to me about my life either.
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It's not just Smiths songs that get butchered.. (Score:0)
Amen! (Score:0)
*easymeat
whata lovely explaination... (Score:2, Interesting)
and it wasnt so much what Bernard had to say [criticisms of the recent live renditions of The Smiths classics], but how he seemed to say it. isomewhat agree with Bernard that Moz's recent live performances of some of the Smiths tracks hav been lacking a little [not all of them though as "Last Night I Dreamt That Somebody Loved Me" on 'Live At Earl's Court' is wonderful]. iwould juste never say that it is sad for him to want to perform his old songs and im glad that he took that wording back.
very much lookin forward to 'Here Come The Tears'!
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Genius (Score:0)
spot on (Score:1)
Its just an amazing voice, good lyrics and nothing much of anything else
pop music is indeed something more than poetry(well put Mr Butler) or else Morrissey concerts would be like Leonard Cohen shows....cool but, a bit tiresome and thats how I feel when I listen to ALL the new Morrissey music,
The production was awful we know that but all in all its just too safe, musically, and much of the Lyrics as well
I just think he is not lean enough, Artisticly, his plate too full with gorgonzola smothered veggies...
hunger and desperation always produces
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Butler/Marr comparison (Score:1, Insightful)
To point out, given the three albums below, which wouold you choose:
Morrissey - You Are The Quarry
Johnny Marr & The Healers - Boomslang
Bernard Butler - People Move On
While it may be fact that Morrissey has not done much to reinvent himself, and some of the musical arrangements don't soar as they should - why should he have to make a drastic change? He continues to release quality songs, 22 years after that fateful day when Johnny Marr showed up at his door. That's more than most other artists can claim.
well, I'm convinced (Score:0)
The Tears (Score:1)
True to his word, Bernie did learn a Suede song for tonight. Just got in from watching the tears at the leadmill in sheffield. As a first encore they played "The Living Dead". Just his guitar and Bert singing, and it was brilliant.
As for the rest of the gig, also very good. Not sure if it lives up to the old suede or not, will have to hear the songs a few times, but definitely better than the post-Bernard glossy version that followed.
Sorry, I realise that this is a Morrissey site, but it seemed relevant.
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I can accept that (Score:1)
I still disagree that Morrissey is "completely sad" by performing Smiths songs. Moz's supposed "cover" of "There Is A Light..." was sublime on the Earl Courts cd, and pretty solid from the shows I have seen. Another thing, I think that when The Tears start headlining festivals, selling out large stadiums, and get some major airplay, Bernie can then worry about what Morrissey is doing musically.
It seems to have worked for Moz this far. Sure Moz may benefit from getting some new blood into his mix. But unless Bernie is willing to ditch his band and hook up with Moz, he needs to shut his pie hole and work on making his own projects work for him.
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agreed (Score:1)
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Thank God (Score:0)
So thank you Bernard for coming out and giving your side to the whole affair because it's sad to thing if you didn't go to all this effort to post your account, this would still be taken to be credible journalism when really it's the complete opposite.
LBC X
Apology accepted... hehe (Score:0)
and although i do not agree with his comments, i don't feel any need to be in defense of Moz and be in an offensive mode against him. It is just his opinion..
MOz singing old SMiths songs in his recent concerts? I think he's doing it just to please his fans (which obviously is his agenda.) He's not doing it because he has no new materials to show. IT is part of his setlist; the whole concert is not anchored on his old smiths songs..
So, i really disagree with Butler with this comment..
PS: When will moz invade the Philippines? We're dying to see him live!!!!
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The Tears played an old Suede song last night (Score:0)
That's all the fans can talk about over on their forum.
He he he.
Fuss (Score:1)
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The Harsh Truth (Score:0)
lets see what the Tears will deliver. i will then decide if i would want Moz/Marr to work together again.
... but is Bernard correct? (Score:1)
The current band play Smiths songs with less energy and emotion than the original line up. This is understandable for many reasons, age, ownership and what right do they have to artistically reinterpret Marr's contributions anyway?!. But this misses the point, the whole event is about the man that is Morrissey….. how does he move on stage, does he change the tempo of songs, which songs from his past is he proud of, does he change the lines of any songs ('Bruises as big as dinner plates' was widely tipped as a nod to Marr on this site) and what does he say to the audience?
So for me the only point of interest is how does Morrissey interact with the fans and vice versa when the back catalogue (Smiths or solo) is played. I don't expect and neither do I necessarily want to hear Boz, Alain or whoever artistically trying to take Marr's compositions forwards in a new direction.
Suede's original line up I liked. For me they knocked out some great tunes, however, I view The Smiths as seminal but not Suede. For this reason Brett and Bernard need to be careful when talking to journalists, they need to be aware of their contribution to music in the grand scheme of things. Referring to the back catalogue renditions as played by a 'pub rock band' is clumsy at best. Good luck to The Tears, their challenge is to provide us with something seminal. Will their new album put them up there with the greats?
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Let he who is in a hardcore creative standoff (Score:0)
Is that you Bernard? I think not. In my opinion, even Johnny and Moz weren't in one by the time they got to Strangeways. It's a bit ordinary and by the numbers apart from two songs. Songwriting partners become to familiar with one another's style and start providing what the other requires after a while. Surely stepping back into that old pattern of working has a great deal to do with comfort even if the participants don't package and present it that way to themselves.
Butler - the Morrissey solo slag! (Score:0)
Obviously Butler visits this site and has been slightly stung by the criticism he received from a few of us on the earlier thread.
While I admire his guitar work and think he'd be the ideal musician to help Morrissey explore the glammy sound he's come up with for "Daddy's Voice," I don't think his attempts to draw parallels between Suede and the Smiths really hold water. I think Butler should accept Suede were a good ealry 90s indie band with plenty of promise, but at the end of the day, they didn't do anything radical or exciting enough to be remembered as a great band. Anderson's lyrics are cliched and repetitive "we're rubbish... you and I... sniffin glue... loving it... like birds.... etc etc." Basically, Suede is one song, divided into many parts. Yes, Butler's guitar can be magnificent (Animal Nitrate) but overall they lacked the emotional resonance and lyrical talent to really fly.
And I think returning to brett instead of joining Moz was a HUGE mistake. Brett will keep doing the same crap he's been wheeling out for 10 years now to no new effect, while Morrissey tries yet another new direction and creates yet another album close to greatness. I know which project I'd rather be involved in. In 5 years, Butler will look back after yet another split from Anderson and regret not giving himself a chance to fill his boyhood idol's shoes and to work with the greatest living poet. Imagine what Butler could have done to flesh out glam like "Daddy's Voice." The results could have been breathtaking.
Myself and a few other resgulars on this site mentioned Butler had been approached prior to the Earls Court gig, to widespread sniggering. Funny how things come around isn't it?
I for one would love to see Morrissey go down that T-Rex route for the next album, and maybe throw in a few odd, dark ballads like "teachers" and so forth. That would be a wonderful mix.
Morrissey and Butler. Eno producing. Imagine how that could have been.
Broken
Dear Berneeeeed (as you told me you prefer) (Score:0)
I think you have a right to comment upon any part of Morrissey's work you wish. You, like us, are a fan of The Smiths and Morrissey's music for many years. I myself am not happy with the new lineup. The songs are somewhat cheapend by a CASIO! sounding keyboard. If you are too deaf to hear that this new band sucks, oh well, get a hearing aid. Hell, The Ocean Blue's live version did the song more justice (TIALTNGO). Don't get me wrong, I love Boz and Alain (top guys) and their commetment to the music. The rest of the guys I am not so sure about.
Morrissey has not been so kind to Suede in the past. He was very jealous of the Brett/Bowie relationship. He would not think twice about slagging some group off. But, he doesn't play that way. He requires you to just blindly love him. No criticism is allowed even if it is justified. That attitude is mirrored here as well. So don't appoligize for saying something true. Stand behind your opinion! People will respect you more. For the record, I love all of The Smiths work and most of Morrissey's solo records. Good luck Mr. Butler in your future endevors. I think you are screwed no matter what band you are in. Morrissey really never should have ask you to be in the band. It is just a clash of interest. It's never good when people join to form supergroups. Electronic?? I could form a list that would scare everyone. Then Brett and you will be Suede forever and the Tears will never compare. No matter what you do with the Tears it is doomed. If you start a new group it will be in the shadow like your solo carreer (which the first record was wonderful). You might not be able to get a record deal with a new set of people. Then you would be stuck like EMF and have to get a real job. I hate to be so negative but you are doomed for a life of living in the shadow.
Suede - What Rubbish! (Score:0)
Who really cares about guitar playing technique... (Score:0)
I don't think the 'average’ fan could honestly tell the difference between an amazing guitarist and a competent one. We're more interested in melodies, arrangements, singing, words etc. So when Bernard writes a melody as beautiful as the (guitar-less) 'never played symphonies', or a single as upbeat and joyful as 'first of the gang', or a b-side as fruity and uproarious as Daddy’s Voice, he may then be in a position to criticise...
John
I was the wife of an acrobat (Score:0)
http://www.nme.com/news/112101.htm
Apparently they just played a Suede song last night. 'The Living Dead' has got to be one of my favorite Suede songs, if not my favorite.
Living through nostalgia? You may say "no" because the song is a b-side, but we know Suede fans would go see The Tears just to hear that song. We also know that their b-sides killed the A-sides!
Bring back the old, kill the new!
Smith songs (Score:0)
Oh the boy again... (Score:0)
Thanks.
This comfirms my original thoughts. (Score:0)
I agree with Bernard on The Smiths songs done live (Score:0)
Suede- (Score:1)
-j
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Re:who are you? (Score:1)
joey
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