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davidt
on Thursday April 29 2004, @08:00AM
John, England writes:
Q have given the fiercest review of YATQ to date. Under the title 'Spite Club' they've awarded it 2/5, the same score thay gave Maladjusted. The criticism is pretty much directed at the lyrics and the only songs receiving praise were First of the Gang and Come back to Camden. They also ran an article comparing Morrissey with Jeremy Clarkson inviting readers to distinguish between their two sets of comments. Q used to be a staunch supporter of Moz up until the mid 90's, and even gave Southpaw four out of five. Wonder if he declined them an interview? --- Update: 05/01 15:06 GMT: scan of review posted by Benton on the messsage board.
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q is not the world (Score:0)
Q magazine is a rag (Score:1)
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Q's rubbish anyway nowerdays (Score:0)
Mojo gave it 4/5 and that's good enough for me.
not bothered (Score:0)
Q journalists (Score:0)
Another piece of tabloid journalism (Score:2, Insightful)
I don't usually read Q or even bother looking at it, due to the low-rent journalism and lack of anything vaguely approaching taste, but this review was even worse than his Maladjusted review. I seem to remember they described him as "sad" and "past it" or words to that effect. This time, Harris said virtually nothing about the songs, quoted a rather bland lyric amongst the extraordinary lyrics that we know are on the album, and then launched into a bitter diatribe about... how bitter and twisted morrissey is! Ironically, he finished this off by describing "you know I couldn't last" as being self-pitying and self-absorbed, before saying "oh how we laughed" alluding to the journalists vs Morrissey charade that's being an ongoing fixture since the early 90s.
The review was itself self-indulgent and pointless. It was written in the style of a sixth form gig review, was pitifully bereft of facts and reeked of tabloid journalism. Usher was given 3 stars in the review above. I think that sums up Q really, doesn't it?
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Who Cares? (Score:0)
You can't win 'em all (Score:1)
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Look here for information about John Harris! (Score:4, Funny)
he's 35, he went to Oxford, he worked for NME in the mid-90's, he's got a mullet.
nuff said!
John, England
The last time I saw Q magazine... (Score:1)
Need we say more?
Q magazine is the British equivalent of Rolling Stone.
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they also compare Moz to Jeremy Clarkson (Score:0)
NB non-Brits; Clarkson is considered to be (by alkl right thinking people) the biggest tosser in Western Europe so this is another dig at Moz by Q.
I don't think theres a Conspiracy (Score:1)
The single is ok but out of the other YAMQ stuff I've heard from live shows theres nothing that really grabs me like stuff from Your Arsenal, Vauxhall and I or Viva Hate.
I like the sound of that one that goes ' drinking tea with the taste of the Thames' - his voice sounds great in that.
We'll See
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yeah, the album might noty be much good (Score:0)
I'm hoping it'll be great but IBEH is easily his second worse lead-off single (only Dag Dave is worse).
Dido-esque... (Score:0)
Morrissey the Magician (Score:2, Funny)
Moz responded, "Yes, and can I expect a dreadful review from Q? Oh, the rhythm of life."
His crystal ball does work!
Don't worry too much about this: that the magazine has the perversity to put a nearly-naked Pink on the cover obviously means that there is too much lead in the pipes of the house of Q.
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Q+loaded music mag (Score:1)
No wonder uncut and mojo have stolen it's thunder.
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No album in history... (Score:1)
I only care if a review is badly written, not if it's positive or negative -- 'Q' is no more or less important than another magazine's review, but they do usually go more in depth, so I'm curious. My favourite Moz photo to date is that 'Q' cover shot from '95 with the Man looking over his shoulder.
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maybe the album is shite (Score:1)
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Oh, but the album is absolutely lush (Score:1)
I have forgiven jesus has a quite breathtaking key change in the chorus, which should get the audience swaying in unison, with their arms raised heavenwards ...
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but lyrically speaking (Score:0)
Whatever happened to objectivity (Score:1)
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attitude mag review 5 out of 5 (Score:1, Informative)
Not entirely unexpected (Score:1, Insightful)
But, to be honest, and please don't hate me for this, ever since I first saw some of the lyrics I knew there was a big danger that some critics would take the line Harriss takes. Because they can argue that Moz is just indulging his own bitter whims and not in fact saying anything anybody can really relate to. Who, after all, hates judges, taxmen and music critics with as much vengeance as he?
Also, I was reading the lyrics to songs from 'The Queen Is Dead' a couple of days ago, and have been listening to 'Vauxhall and I' quite a lot again, and it struck me that, unfortunately, the new lyrics really aren't as good. The Queen Is Dead's lyrics are truly, brilliantly, poetic, while Vauxhall is largely an articulation of emotions that have universal resonance ('Hold On To Your Friends, 'Why Don't You Find Out For Yourself?', 'I Am Hated For Loving'). These new lyrics, rehashing his disgruntlement over the court case, anger at music critics etc, seemed a little lacking in subtelty by his standards. Certainly, America and IBEH seem surprisingly naive lyrically - especially by his standards.
On the other hand, it could be that Harris bears some grudge against Moz and is just being a prick, especially since we find he used to work on NME at the time of its hate campaign.
Don't get me wrong, I love The Smiths and think Arsenal and Vauxhall are superb, but something tells me that Vauxhall will remain, for now at least, the acknowledged masterpiece of his solo career. I still hope for the day when, once again, he puts out an album that can be loved by everyone (or nearly everyone anyway!).
Additional comments (Score:0)
And, after saying all this, let's face it, this Q review is only one person's opinion. Many of us here could no doubt love this album, and that's what counts.
Those oh, so harsh reviewers, you know he does bar (Score:0)
In fact they are losing readers at a frightening rate recently, in fact the last Divine Comedy album review was almost word for word the same as the press release. Not what I'd expect from a publication of it's (so called)standing, very poor, as Vic Reeves used to say.
Poor old Q, someone should kick the crutches from underneath it's feet.
You know he does bare more grudges than lonely high court judges
John Harris (Score:1)
re: John Harris, he wrote "The Last Party", probably THE definitive story of British music in the 1990s. He's an intelligent and insightful writer, and certainly no hack. He is actually pretty supportive of Morrissey/The Smiths in that book, so I don't expect that he has any particular axe to grind.
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it´s not possible (Score:0)
whatever (Score:1)
And it's not like Q magazine has intelligent critics anyway. = )
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I'd like Moz to write a brand new EP (Score:0)
and then go back to writing songs which express, humour, observation, joy, emotional insight, clever wordplay and all that stuff that we used to love Moz for. songs with universal appeal which don't require you to be a mid-40's multi-millionaire mucician who is continuously getting dragged through the courts, to empathise with.
even back in 97 he wrote some great stuff we could all sing along to like Trouble Loves Me, Lost, Alma, and The Edges.
come on Moz, our patience is running thin.
John
Has Morrissey let his band down? (Score:0)
Isn't it ironic; doncha think?
and another thing! (Score:0)
This privilege was given to the execrable 'Streets' who've just taken over from Toploader as officially the worst band of all time.
Morrissey`s new album (Score:0)
I Usally listen to my favourite Journalists (Score:0)
Another list please (Score:3, Funny)
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My honest viewpoint (Score:1, Insightful)
But, after this gut reaction, my objectivity returned and I thought that maybe, just maybe, Harris has a point about the lyrics. Having read them in tandem with the likes of the lyrics from 'The Queen Is Dead' (whole album, not just the one song) and 'Vauxhall and I', it just strikes me that actually the lyrics ARE bitter and they ARE self-absorbed. They lack the beauty and poetic resonance of his earlier work.
But, I do have two criticisms to level at Harris/Q magazine.
1. Harris makes no mention of the MUSIC - Boz and Alain have, according to many, created some of their best music yet for the new songs. Not one iota of praise or recognition do they receive from Harris.
2. I'm sorry, but the Jeremy Clarkson 'article' is utterly pathetic. They criticise Moz for being spiteful and then go and publish a supposedly 'funny' article which is itself entirely spiteful. Harris doesn't like the album? Fine, that's up to him, but I found the Clarkson comparison to be totally unnecessary, a cheap shot, and not even informative in any way. It is the kind of shitty space filler you expect to see in 'The Sun'.
Nevertheless, Moz, you know you are capable of great, tender, evocative and witty songwriting, about universally resonant themes not just the ins and outs of the wearisome court case! Please return to the standards of 'Vauxhall and I' and then your genius will be recognised anew.
Songs not about the court case/journalists etc (Score:0)
However, it seems that many of these songs (with titles like The Slum Mums, Munich Air Disaster, The Never Played Symphonies, Teenage Dad on his Estate) have not made it onto the album.
So perhaps Moz is still writing songs with a more universal appeal but just hasn't decided to put them on the album. This seems a bit of a shame to me and, if the music to these songs is good and they do appear on B-sides, he will be continuing his tradition of hiding away many of his best ever songs (like he did with Nobody Loves Us, Jack the Tipper, Lost, I'd love to, etc).
John
silly review (Score:1)
I think that seven or eight of the songs are either very good or excellent, so a this proportion is higher than 'Maladjusted'. The only track which I would consider poor lyrically as well as musically is 'America...' which provides a highly inauspicious start to the album. But from then on, tracks 2-9 are extremely good and only towards the end does the album tail off a bit with 'Let Me Kiss You', 'All The Lazy Dykes' and 'I Like You' perhaps less strong than the songs which went before. Having said that they are all good songs. It is notable that the Q reviewer criticised the songs which were lyrically self-indulgent and had bitter lyrics and praised the only two songs which really diverge from this 'First of the Gang' and '...Camden'.
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Q (what does that mean exactly?) (Score:1)
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Moz is stuck in a vicious circle! (Score:0)
How we can help the poor chap break free?
John
Q's Smiths special? (Score:0)
How Could Anyone Know How Harris Feels? (Score:0)
You all know there will be something you LOVE about the album when it appears with thunder soon, even if you don't think it's the best thing he's done since Southpaw Grammar.
So try to breathe deeply and put your feet in a basin of hot water.
We are stronger than this crap (Score:0)
John Harris (Score:0)
But anyway, because I support Moz, and to undermine Harris's credentials a bit, if you look at the front of the magazine, each senior journalist is asked for their favourite live album, and Harris nominates 'Wings Over America'. So, a man of immense taste then?????!!!! Also (and I am a Beatles fan so this is not biased) Harris has spent many a column inch bigging up Paul McCartney's first solo album when in fact it is half-baked and underdeveloped, with only four good songs. He rates it above Lennon's 'Plastic Ono Band' album, which is surely a masterpiece and far better than Macca's effort. So, Harris is not necessarily a man whose viewpoint is to be unreservedly respected!
The World Is Full of Bashing Scores (Score:1)
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hey the lyrics aren't that bad! (Score:0)
They're here (apologies if thi is common knowledge): http://www.youarethequarry.net/lyrics.htm
even the angry songs, contain some nice thoughtful images.
John
What does it say about Morrissey fans.... (Score:1)
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Fuck 'em, Attitude gave it five stars (Score:0)
Fate Accompli (Score:1)
What do I mean? Well...in the last 18 months Q gave 2/5 to both Christina Aguillera's 'Stripped' and The Black-eyed Peas 'Elephunk' albums, and they both did spectacularly well, both selling massive amounts and spawning huge hit singles(not that I like either artists music myself, but that's beside the point).
So maybe Q are secretly hoping the same will happen with 'You Are The Quarry'.
Or maybe they're a bunch of stunted ex-NME hacks who wouldn't know good music if it jumped out of their soup and bit them in the eye.
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It's a MORRISSEY album! (Score:0)
With regard to the lyrics, from what I've seen and heard they are good. Personally I don't think that most of his solo stuff is quite on a par with the Smiths, but it is still way above virtually any other lyricist's efforts.
I think that John Harris is a pretty good writer, but that doesn't mean that he's right, and it is only one person's opinion. Every other review I've read or heard about has been at least good. The worst I've seen was in the Observer Music Monthly, where the writer gave it 3 out of 5 and didn't really have a bad word to say except that Morrissey was still singing about himself, and 'not endowment mortgages'.
Thank God that no-one does sing about these things, but it is worth noting that journalists age and some may start to think that music should reflect their more 'grown up' concerns. (At which time they should stop writing about music!!)
moan,moan,moan (Score:0)
Sorry.