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davidt
on Thursday April 29 2004, @08:00AM
John, England writes:
uh-oh, here we go again! Morrissey's comment in last week's NME that "it's a question of how many people you'll continue to allow to flood into your country" have been seized upon in the letters page, with the caption 'Off with his head!'. The NME journalist writes 'this was one of many letters we received on the subject of Moz's choice of language when discussing asylum-seeker issues. Speaking personally, I was also uncomfortable with his comments.' However, he ends by saying: 'Like most of us, I think Morrissey is guilty of ignorance over the issue of asylum, rather than any deep-rooted prejudice'. There were two subsequent letters praising the interview and Morrissey in general. ---
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Rubbish (Score:0)
Laughable (Score:0)
Give the guy a break!!! (Score:1)
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Well said Morrissey (Score:1)
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P.C. Crap... (Score:1)
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Frankly, (Score:0)
Did anyone ever question the fact that the Royal Albert Hall has a maximum capacity of 5,222 (Exclusive Let)?
If you'd allow a crowd of 10,000 in the RAH, that would be uncomfortable for everyone.
Ok im gonna say it (Score:0)
(-1 here i come!)
But i dont care this country was founded on immigration i say if they wanna come over let em
Old Chestnut (Score:1)
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fookin'ell (Score:2, Insightful)
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Middle class liberals telling us what to think (Score:0)
The fact is.... (Score:0)
Mickey Vegas
Auslander Raus! (Score:0)
I agree with the journalist completely (Score:0)
Plus people here need education. Britain's population is not rising dangerously; in fact I don't think it's rising at all. Low birth rates, emigration...these factors make immigration necessary, as well as the obvious contributions so many immigrants make to society.
"Pick up any paper and you'll realise that this isn't a contravesial viewpoint but a common one"
Yes the hate directed by tabloids in England to asylum seekers is frighteningly common; how refreshing to see a paper (albeit a music one) rush to defend asylum seekers for once. Well, let's not forget the Indie and Guardian, I suppose.
The poster above me is a racist (unlike Morrissey - whose comments did not really piss me off) but I hope the rest of the comments are just made by sycophants and are not idiotic knee-jerk reactions to asylum seekers (caused by reading too much of Richard Littlejohn's columns in the Sun?).
By the way, middle class people pay more taxes - if asylum seekers really are exploiting our NHS and taking our benefits, they suffer too.
ex-pat turns out to be small-minded bigot SHOCK (Score:1, Insightful)
disagreeable (Score:0)
Morrissey fans are BNP voters? (Score:1)
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Over-reaction, understated. (Score:0)
He found common ground with the Mexicans because they too are the marginalised, poor citizens in America. So why not here? it is not like Morrissey to suck up to the tabloids otherwise he will be trying to seduce Penny lancaster soon.
Knowing Morrissey (which I don't at all, and is obviously a thing that Morrissey takes great pride in, the enigmatic figure and such forth) he is probably trying to cause a media controversy - ie bring out the racism issue again in order to declare 'I'm not a racist', but in very much his own terms. Maybe it's just me, but i'm sure that furore in the past still affects him, in that he was crucified without trial. Maybe. It's a twisted theory I suppose, but surely Morrissey knows of the connotations of the word 'flood' in relation to UK immigration policy - it was famously used in the Thatcher government, and was constantly refered to by the 'no to EU / immigration' manifesto of, then tory leader, William Hague.
I don't mind when Morrissey talks of racism, it doesn't make you a racist and such issues have to be brought in to the spotlight - in order to see what is happening in society, and how this kind of fear and hatred spreads. (by the way, as England is indeed part of the EU, immigration is nigh upon impossible - has no one ever heard of the term Fortress Europe?). When he, morrissey, talks about National pride, i tend to switch off - it's just not a subject that interest me (as opposed to racism, which is indeed a hot social potato - i am aware that there is obviously a connection between the two, but i feel that Morrissey refers to them as two different issues ie i have great pride in my country, but i do not discrimate against different races). I have no great pride in where i come from (maybe as a british born 'foreigner' i tend to have a nomad mindset, with no particular affiliation with a particular country - my god! a nihilist! ('even the Nazis had a belief system' - Walter Sobchak, The Big Lebowski, 1998. Rather, i would say that i share an admiration for the finer British things that Morrissey enjoys - Oscar Wilde, Keats, George Bernand Shaw, etc the great literature figures - after all, we all love his lyrics.
Right, finally, as i am rambling a bit here, I have to say that some of the posts on here are shocking. Yes, the asylum seekers that we do have here do get located in the poorest, social serviced deprived areas of the uk. It romantic of me to say so, but you would think that the poor working class would welcome them, embracing there own class, the same class that is spat upon daily - as the 60s east end would say, 'we do good with our own'. instead more fractions open up and the tabloid media frenzy feeds these fractions into canyon size gaps. It is worth noting that Burnley, a town populated by 1500 - 2000 people (its either this figure or 15,000 - 20,000, probably this latter) has an asylum seeker population of approx 50. Yes that's correct, 50 asylum seekers in the town that hold (i believe) 4 BNP seats. Flood, I would say more of a trickle.
PPS Morrissey didnt actually say asylum seekers were flooding the country, the interviewer ask if he think there be more 'flashpoints' (ie kind of suggesting that ppl are revolting against the 'tide'). What Morrissey stated was about control and how that control is exercised (he obviously uses the US as an example. And he does end the question by stating 'it's hard if they are being persucuted'. I still think he could have showed more sympathy and had a long diatribe against richard littlejohn. Maybe next week when he gets featured in NME Part 26 - 'Milking the Morrissey Money Cow'. lol. and goodnight.
yeah (Score:0)
I agree with the journalist, Morrissey seems to be ignorant on the subject. No big fuss though, he's one of many people I guess.
Re:yeah (Score:2, Insightful)
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To be honest... (Score:0)
hmm (Score:2, Insightful)
With that said, I happen to think immigration should be loosened in America, and I'm not all worked up about illegal aliens the way some people are. Hell, a lot of Mexicans love Morrissey's music, so the more people of good taste flooding in the better, I say. = ) Furthermore, several states in America used to be bilingual ages ago, so people just don't know their history when they don't know that Spanish has always been one of the languages of America.
In my judgment, open immigration is one of the main reasons America is such a dynamic country. Immigration encourages the transmission of ideas and is very good for the economy. As someone who's generally a libertarian, I'm for openness and freedom.
But yeah, it's a very complicated and controversial issue for most countries, and people should be allowed to speak freely without being beaten down. Why must everyone be forced to conform to what the "liberal intelligentsia" tries to dictate. Surely there is a point where immigration can be too liberal for a country to handle. While I happen to disagree with Morrissey's immigration worries, I sympathize with the way he's unfairly attacked for voicing them. The way to work things out in a democracy is to discuss issues, not sweep them under the rug.
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Instead of flood... (Score:0)
NME article (Score:0)
Hold it (Score:0)
free my land (Score:0)
I stand and watch my country today
It's so easy to see that it's being taken away
All the immigrants and all the left wing lies
Why does no one ever ask the reason why
(Chorus)
We were the country that had everything
We were the country, Rule Britannia we would sing
We were the country, and we could never lose,
Once a nation, and now we're run by Jews
We want our country back now!
It's time our people stood together side by side
It's time we stood and fought against the media's lies
The capitalists and the communists, well they co-exist
If you love your country, you'll be on their list
The sands of time are running out for this land
It's time the people stood and raised their hands
It's time we drove out the traitors that we can see
Now is the time this nation should be free, free my land
No room for irony when you are popular (Score:1)
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Touche (Score:1)
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shocked by this board (Score:0)
Maybe the NME was right all along -- at least about Morrissey's fans.
welcome to the home of the brain-dead (Score:0)
If Morrissey says it, who are we to disagree?
For gods sake. (Score:1)
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Hold it , I'm back and pissed off! (Score:0)
Bad times (Score:0)
You see this is the kind of shit that is going on in this country at the moment. You can turn a blind eye if you like but remember as you do that the immigrants you think should be welcomed into this country are getting ripped off and treated poorly. This will continue under the latest system.
england is white, says the mozzer (Score:0)
Can't we just admit that mozzer is a BNP voter who can't stand living cheek by jowl next to Pakis... so not quite what one would expect from an artist like him, but hell, who bloody cares right? It's the music, words and quirks with Morrissey. I'd just hate to think that his knee-jerk reactions on asylum provoke instant approval from silent fans who are also scared to pronounce their racial prejudice...
Englishman from Ireland complainsabout immigration (Score:0)
It's mostly the conservatives in America complaining about immigration. They want it regulated. These are the same people that dont want to be taxed to pay for it. The same people who don't want industry or the environment regulated because of the evils of "big" government.
They are all for "big" government and regulation when it comes to immigration, a woman's uterus, what you do in your own home, and gay people. Cons are the biggest hypocrites on the face of the planet.
England For The English.... (Score:1)
Morrissey speaks the things MOST people think but don't say, because The West is prisoner to Political Correctness Enforcers who don't care if we live or die. Or drown in a sea of brown.
If you think it's racist, check back with me in several years and I know you'll sing a different tune.
Morrissey for President of the World.
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intolerant fools! (Score:0)
Why have borders? When they get here, to show we really support them, we should learn their language, and give them our homes too. Now that's compassion!
We should also print everything in fifty languages to cater to our new freinds who want to "just have fun and try something new" as one idiot put it. Another one of you Hitlerites suggested shooting someone's mom in the face, and another suggested their mom was screwing the immigrants (now that's racist. do you think the immigrants are subhuman's like dog's and only ignorant fools would srcrew them?, all because these people had a different opinion than you. What a bunch of intollerant, uneducated fools!
I do very well for myself here in America, and I would never leave it all just to "try something different."
When people migrate LEGALLY with an education, a dream, and a desire to contribute to the system, they are forced to wait several years in order to become "legal." That's a crime.
Listening to some of you, makes me understand why Europe has become the pacifist toilet bowl of the world. Keep up the good work, it's a slow suicide your bringing on yourself. Almost all of you complainers sit and do nothing, once in awhile you march in a protest and think your changing the world. You can't change the world until you open up your eyes to the world.
It's not racist to want to protect what you love (your country), I don't want to live in a place that looks like China or most of Africa. People who oppose the flodding of immigrants aren't always racist either, often they want to make sure the system will coninue to support itself. Some of your elitist mentality is sick and condescending. Does it make you feel superior to see immigrants arive in you land and strugle to make their way? It makes me sad. Do you feel good about yourself, knowing that your government is giving them a stipen so they can survive, and never rise up to your level?
Go look in the mirror, that's intolerance (not compasion) looking back at you! Read a book or something besides your socialist rags once in a while, and don't be affraid to think what you feel.
A Final Word On This Subject (Score:1)
To those saying this website has become "a nasty place", don`t asume that the rancid comments above are remotely representative of most readers. They aren`t. Empty vessles make most noise on this subject.
And to those fascist and racist pondlife who have "adopted" Morrissey as their own stop dragging your knuckles and try -odd as it may feel- THINKING for a minute.
Let's leave aside the fact that someone of his "ambiguous" sexuality is unlikely to have much sympathy for an organisations that want homosexuality banned.
Just consider these facts, Morrissey supported the Labour Party back in the far off days when it was properly left-wing, he supported Amnesty international, an organisation that campaigns for the rights of refugees, he supported Anti-Apartehid (do you need that one explaining?)
His best friend in the skinhead community was Mensi, lead singer of the Angelic Upstarts and a leading figure in Anti Fascist Action.
He has declared himself a fan of black writers and performers including Maya Angelou, Issac Hayes, Dionne Warwick, Echobelly, McAlmont, Goldie.
His pronouncements on the subject include "The people who say I`m racist just can`t stand the sight of my physical frame", "If I`m racist the Pope is female", "If the National Front were to hate anyone it would be me", "[being accused of being racist was hurtful because]I don`t have any racist feelings whatsoever".
He's just written a song about how terrible it is that America is unlikely to have a black President.
HE IS NOT ON YOUR SIDE YOU RANCID LITTLE FUCKWITS!!
Got that? Good. Now put your Skrewdrive earphones back on, shove your heads back up your arses, and jump down a very very very dark hole.
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Surprising level of debate on THIS subject (Score:0)
Morrissey fans may well be a bunch of Guardian readers but I've never seen so many send-them-all-back types before.
Yes, and I know that I myself don't have a log-in.
Journalistic integrity. (Score:0)
How the truth is twisted... (Score:0)
It is NOT racist, NOR is it hateful, to simply stand up and say "hey, I'd like to actually see the 5 Anglo-Saxon countries in the entire world out of over 200 (US, UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand) REMAIN Anglo. What is so wrong with that?
If anything, all of those leftist liberal PC police who scream "DIVERSITY" at everyone should SUPPORT keeping those 5 nations Anglo... after all, once those 5 are overrun with hispanics and asians, there will be no anglo nations left... how is THAT keeping things diverse, hmmm??
Mostly... I don't get how supporting your own culture is hateful. Just because I support keeping England Anglo... that therefore means I *hate* hispanics? I must therefore HATE asians? Please! I don't hate anybody, I'd just like to see a particular culture preserved.
Think of it this way. Any other race or culture that sets up groups to promote their own self-interests, such as the NAACP, are heralded and praised as "promoting diversity"... but can you imagine the outcry if whites set up a similar group for themselves? The media would scream RACISM! Why is this? Why is it OK for every other minority and cultural group to gather exclusively with those similar to themselves and promote their own self-interests, but whites cannot do the same thing? Unbelievable. And yet only 5 (major) nations in the world are Anglo-Saxon ruled. Out of over 200!! WTF!
Moz is absolutely right. Shut immigration down, both legal and illegal. The invading 3rd world immigrants don't give a damn about maintaining and preserving American and British heritage -- they'd rather set up minuature Mexicos and Indias and berate the very whites that are letting them live in their country!
Does this make this viewpoint hateful? Only if you're a liberal ignoramus. I believe people can be fully capable of being open and respectful of all races and nations, whilst still preferring that their own country preserve its heritage and stock.
One additional point --- in the VERY SAME BREATH, i would not want India overrun with whites either. If i go to France, I want to see FRENCH PEOPLE, not Muslims! If I travel to Syria, I want to see MUSLIMS, not Germans! So the same thing follows with American and Britain -- I'd like to see these countries remain white majority, purely because that's what they are. British and American heritage are unique in this world, and I hate historical revisionists who would paint every George Washington and Thomas Jefferson as "evil men" for owning slaves.
My statement to every non-white culture out there? I appreciate you, I respect you, I want your own countries preserved, and I welcome you in my OWN country too! But... let's keep your combined population percentage in the U.S. and Britain to 20% or less. I appreciate your existence and representation as a minority in my country, and I welcome your views and diverse cultural aspects. But that doesn't mean I want your numbers increasing so fast and out of control that you start making me a minority in my own country.
Hateful? No. It's just common sense, people. Liberal PC police, just grow up!
Daniel (Score:0)
Many of european people had been accepted in other countries, they found new oportunities to survive and grow up, and now, your stupid consciense dont want to allow to the people live in your bastard civilization, please, dont make me laugh.