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CharlieFairhead January 25, 2009, 01:03 PM I couldn't find a decent thread for them, anyway all i wanted to say is that they've signed to the great 4AD label. I'm quite sure many of you will have an album by a band/artist who are/were on 4AD.
I reckon the new Camera Obscura album will do really well now, they certainly deserve a decent selling album.
I've got all their old b-sides if you have any requests:
oye terence January 25, 2009, 01:42 PM they are such a lovely band.they seem to get better and better with everything they do.
charlie, I can't seem to find my copy of "I love my jean" would you happen to have that?
vivabob January 25, 2009, 05:05 PM i love my jean , just in time for burns night :D
CharlieFairhead January 25, 2009, 06:45 PM charlie, I can't seem to find my copy of "I love my jean" would you happen to have that?
Indeed sir, leave me with it.
I am a Ghost January 25, 2009, 06:59 PM Put everything up, lad, everything :)
Sherry January 25, 2009, 08:32 PM Camera Obscura..are obscure. I like them.
oye terence January 27, 2009, 01:46 PM "I love my jean"
peel session,ill try and upload the other songs from the session.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/gugl6i
CharlieFairhead January 27, 2009, 03:11 PM I Love My Jean e.p (studio)
I Love My Jean:
http://www.yousendit.com/download/WnBUaUNKYUk3bURIRGc9PQ
Marathon Not A Sprint:
http://www.yousendit.com/download/WnBUaUNCZEtQb0tGa1E9PQ
A Red, Red Rose:
http://www.yousendit.com/download/WnBUaUNEVEhQb0lLSkE9PQ
Oh and here's one of my favourite b-sides from the 'If Looks Could Kill' single, bit like a Lee & Nancy number..but darker.
'Hands Up Baby'
http://www.yousendit.com/download/WnBUaUNOQ1I1bmpIRGc9PQ
CharlieFairhead January 27, 2009, 03:16 PM "I love my jean"
peel session,ill try and upload the other songs from the session.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/gugl6i
Is it the Burns night Peel session?
oye terence January 27, 2009, 03:35 PM Is it the Burns night Peel session?
it is indeed.
thanks again for the links,charlie.
jesuisbryony January 27, 2009, 03:37 PM Many thanks. :)
oye terence January 27, 2009, 03:58 PM peel acres session.
park and ride
http://www.sendspace.com/file/k0g0g6
eighties fan
http://www.sendspace.com/file/jof277
pen and notebook
http://www.sendspace.com/file/hgouiu
sugar town
http://www.sendspace.com/file/4n0hkc
let me go home
http://www.sendspace.com/file/xx2rnx
CharlieFairhead January 27, 2009, 04:00 PM Nearly all the b-sides from the last album's sessions were worthy of an album place themselves...very Smiths like in that respect. Nice to see a band still appreciate and respect the single format..a dying art.
This is a lovely little ditty.
'Lemon juice And Paper Cuts'
http://www.yousendit.com/download/WnBUaUNDSWVUME1LSkE9PQ
spleenhead January 27, 2009, 04:34 PM Thanks for the uploads. Love Camera Obscura. Anyone know when the new album's out?
CharlieFairhead January 27, 2009, 04:44 PM Thanks for the uploads. Love Camera Obscura. Anyone know when the new album's out?
Not sure, springtime i bet..April/May perhaps.
jesuisbryony January 28, 2009, 06:50 PM I think this is all I can contribute
Baby Don't Go (Live)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/3tpcnr
:)
Hidden By Rags January 28, 2009, 09:43 PM I have to appreciate that they have these singles/eps available in digital format (11 of them! Are there more?). My vinyl buying days are so far and few in between.
I can't wait to hear the Peel sessions. Thanks for the links everyone.
CharlieFairhead January 29, 2009, 12:29 AM I have to appreciate that they have these singles/eps available in digital format (11 of them! Are there more?). My vinyl buying days are so far and few in between.
I can't wait to hear the Peel sessions. Thanks for the links everyone.
Each of the singles from the last album had a cover version exclusive to the 7" and not on the CD...similar to what Morrissey does.
Covers were:
Abba's - Super Trooper
Sheena Easton's - Modern Girl
Skeeter Davis's - I Can't Stay Mad At You
http://www.elefant.com/bands/camera-obscura
Here's the Abba cover on boob tube:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BD3fvoe74pE
Johan de Witt January 29, 2009, 11:39 AM Thanks for the uploads, Charlie.
Any chance of upping the b-sides from the Lloyd-single as well?
I reckon the new Camera Obscura album will do really well now, they certainly deserve a decent selling album.
I would have thought there last one must have sold pretty well, too, with the first 2 singles being so successful.
oye terence January 30, 2009, 06:36 PM Camera Obscura's cover of abba's "super trooper"
http://www.sendspace.com/file/4q6cbk
i converted to mp3 form my record player,i heard a couple pops or crackles,but its nothing to complain about.:)
CharlieFairhead January 30, 2009, 07:46 PM Thanks for the uploads, Charlie.
Any chance of upping the b-sides from the Lloyd-single as well?
I'll see, not sure if have them on here...bear with me Johan.
oye terence January 30, 2009, 07:57 PM I'll see, not sure if have them on here...bear with me Johan.
i have the b- sides, just give a moment and i shall upload them.
oye terence January 30, 2009, 08:13 PM here they are...
the loyd b-sides
roman holiday
http://www.sendspace.com/file/vaqj5i
phil and don
http://www.sendspace.com/file/yqb89e
and here is the phil and don peel session
http://www.sendspace.com/file/0erf50
CharlieFairhead January 30, 2009, 08:31 PM Cheers Terence.
..and here's the vinyl only song from that single.
Don't say we don't give you anything.
'I Can't Stay Mad At You' (cover)
http://www.yousendit.com/download/WnBTSkhXcWZuSlFLSkE9PQ
Johan de Witt January 30, 2009, 08:44 PM Thanks a lot, Charlie and Terence!
Just what I needed!
ellay mort February 5, 2009, 04:44 AM snagged and loved 'Hands Up Baby' - thanks! def has that sinatra/hazelwood feel, lovely.
i had no idea their b-sides were so consistently good, very impressed.
CharlieFairhead February 9, 2009, 03:50 PM snagged and loved 'Hands Up Baby' - thanks! def has that sinatra/hazelwood feel, lovely.
i had no idea their b-sides were so consistently good, very impressed.
Indeed they're Ellay.
News:
Their new album entitled 'My Maudlin Career' is out on April the 20th preceded by a new single called 'French Navy'.
Also If you register with their new website you get a free mp3 of the title track to the new album and rather lovely it is too...so what yer waiting for?.
http://www.camera-obscura.net/
xx
Couple of dates announced but more to come i'm sure.
23 April - Shepherd's Bush Empire, London.
26 April - Barrowlands Ballroom, Glasgow
ellay mort February 10, 2009, 12:19 AM Indeed they're Ellay.
News:
Their new album entitled 'My Maudlin Career' is out on April the 20th preceded by a new single called 'French Navy'.
Also If you register with their new website you get a free mp3 of the title track to the new album and rather lovely it is too...so what yer waiting for?.
http://www.camera-obscura.net/
xx
Couple of dates announced but more to come i'm sure.
23 April - Shepherd's Bush Empire, London.
26 April - Barrowlands Ballroom, Glasgow
ooh, love the new album title-how perfect!!
the new song was indeed lovely. thanks charlie. hope they do a big, far-reaching tour!
Superhans February 10, 2009, 12:31 AM Oh yeah! The new song sounds so good. Oh man, I love these guys. :D
Kewpie February 10, 2009, 12:31 AM Thank you very much Charlie. :)
Hidden By Rags February 10, 2009, 04:35 AM Thanks for the update, Charlie! What's happened to their website, I hope it's being revamped! The single is wonderful! I hope they make to my end of the earth on their tour. And I never did comment, but I thought they had a good thing going over at Merge...
CharlieFairhead February 11, 2009, 05:06 PM Thanks for the update, Charlie! What's happened to their website, I hope it's being revamped! The single is wonderful! I hope they make to my end of the earth on their tour. And I never did comment, but I thought they had a good thing going over at Merge...
I'm sure they'll be fine on 4AD, a godsend compared to say EMI.
Yeah the website must be having a makeover, new label, new album etc
That new song has a bit of phil spector about it..as did the last album.
x
oye terence February 11, 2009, 06:11 PM I shall be seeing them in march,can't wait.
jesuisbryony February 11, 2009, 06:15 PM That new song has a bit of phil spector about it..as did the last album.
x
It's the Be My Baby introduction, a sign of a fine song.
oye terence March 3, 2009, 10:06 PM The new single "French Navy" is a cracking tune.
spleenhead March 4, 2009, 09:44 PM The new single "French Navy" is a cracking tune.
Where have you heard it? I am quite desperate to.
jesuisbryony March 4, 2009, 09:45 PM Where have you heard it? I am quite desperate to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cxJ-U690i8 :)
Also, here is 'Swans' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnuoAowiPiM and 'You Told A Lie' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtJ-1E8XsOk
I can't wait 'til April.
CharlieFairhead March 4, 2009, 11:14 PM Cos i like you all here's the single:
http://www.yousendit.com/download/U0d3bGtITWNYSHhjR0E9PQ
That said i'm waiting for the album, i'm not going to download that before it comes out. Well i mean i'll pop to the shops for it...some bands are worth it.
Thanks for the links jesuisbryony.
x
jesuisbryony March 4, 2009, 11:25 PM :) Oh you are kind.
Oh my god, it's Robby! March 4, 2009, 11:34 PM Let's Get Out Of This Country made my 4 gig cut :thumb:
some others might if i can find room, but i dont wanna be loaded down with a lot of twee, you know? :crazy:
oye terence March 4, 2009, 11:40 PM I am a bad boy, I am listening to the new album right now.I shall give a review after a few listens.
Superhans March 5, 2009, 12:14 AM I am a bad boy, I am listening to the new album right now.I shall give a review after a few listens.
You just can't say that without sharing!
oye terence March 5, 2009, 12:17 AM You just can't say that without sharing!
You did say I was evil! why would I share ?,but as I am actually a nice guy, despite what you said,I can upload it.
gimme a little while.
and so far, its very very good.they seem to improve with every album.
oye terence March 5, 2009, 12:34 AM for those who would like it ...
http://www.sendspace.com/file/9atib1
Superhans March 5, 2009, 12:39 AM Music and personality should always remain seperate.
I'm gonna suck up to you no matter what you say from now on.
oye terence March 5, 2009, 12:41 AM Music and personality should always remain seperate.
I'm gonna suck up to you no matter what you say from now on.
Hahah, no need for that,its rather okay to not always agree on things,but enjoy the album,its rather good.
CharlieFairhead March 5, 2009, 01:13 AM Oh my...
So far resisting, years of refusal.
spleenhead March 5, 2009, 11:38 AM Thank you! Although I am currently resisting the album. April awaits..
spleenhead March 6, 2009, 12:31 PM Gave in to temptation. Have to say the jury is still out on this one...
Superhans March 6, 2009, 12:41 PM Her voice sounds even better on this record than any of the previous ones. The nicest voice in music has improved, I reckon. :blushing:
jesuisbryony March 6, 2009, 06:27 PM I love sendspace, I was just about to download it (even though I should know better) but it's been taken down already.
Drew a swallow March 6, 2009, 06:30 PM I love sendspace, I was just about to download it (even though I should know better) but it's been taken down already.
Same here. Any chance of putting it back up again?
oye terence March 6, 2009, 06:33 PM gimme a moment, and i can upload again, if you like...
jesuisbryony March 6, 2009, 06:35 PM Ow, I was going to wait but if you would yes please. :)
oye terence March 6, 2009, 06:37 PM Ow, I was going to wait but if you would yes please. :)
not a problem, sendspace tells me it will be uploaded in about 24 minutes or so.
Drew a swallow March 6, 2009, 06:39 PM not a problem, sendspace tells me it will be uploaded in about 24 minutes or so.
Many thanks. Really looking forward to hearing this.
oye terence March 6, 2009, 06:58 PM okie dokie artichokies, this is the last time I am posting it.
enjoy!
http://www.sendspace.com/file/bz309f
Drew a swallow March 6, 2009, 07:05 PM okie dokie artichokies, this is the last time I am posting it.
enjoy!
http://www.sendspace.com/file/bz309f
Cheers! Listening now.
CharlieFairhead March 12, 2009, 07:06 PM On Marc Riley tuneet
http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/shows/marc_riley/
Paris Hilton March 16, 2009, 01:46 AM Thank you
spleenhead March 17, 2009, 01:28 PM Love it, love it, love it! Maybe not as good as their first album which is probably in my personal top 20 but brilliant! Highlights are French Navy - possibly their catchiest single ever - Swans, and My Maudlin Career. Wish I could work out all the lyrics though, the Glaswegian accent has never been my strong point.
jesuisbryony March 27, 2009, 07:49 PM Here's the video for French Navy :)
http://pitchfork.com/tv/#/musicvideo/783-camera-obscura-french-navy-4ad
jesuisbryony March 27, 2009, 08:04 PM Also, Camera Obscura at SXSW
French Navy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i70CRZpqOi4
Lloyd
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN8VNarj0R4
The Sweetest Thing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS7tRv4rxvE
Let's Get Out Of This Country
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrR5FRbUC6U
and there are a few others.
Sadly I won't be able to see them next month due to Art and French exams. :(
bagface March 28, 2009, 04:21 PM i just read that they're coming to my favorite local venue. i am so excited :guitar::guitar::guitar:
billybud71 April 9, 2009, 02:09 AM Can someone upload some Camera Obscura full length albums....thanks!
Maurice E April 9, 2009, 08:55 AM Can someone upload some Camera Obscura full length albums....thanks!
they're a small and struggling (commercially) indie band - why not go out and buy them?
(the albums, that is, not the actual band)
Superhans April 9, 2009, 10:41 AM they're a small and struggling (commercially) indie band - why not go out and buy them?
(the albums, that is, not the actual band)
I doubt it's album sales that they are relying upon to survive as a band. I think it's more probably money they get from gigs. The more peole who hear the album, the more people who will go to the gigs.
jesuisbryony April 16, 2009, 07:33 PM My Maudlin Career was given 9/10 in the NME but don't let that put you off! :)
oye terence April 16, 2009, 09:25 PM My Maudlin Career was given 9/10 in the NME but don't let that put you off! :)
They should have given it a 10/10.
Superhans April 17, 2009, 04:10 PM Hiya guys, you should check out 'The School' (if you haven't already). Very similar sound to Camera Obscura. :D
spleenhead April 21, 2009, 09:40 AM French Navy didn't even make the top 75 singles last week. What is wrong with people?
Don't forget to buy the album, came out yesterday.
CharlieFairhead April 21, 2009, 01:33 PM French Navy didn't even make the top 75 singles last week. What is wrong with people?
Don't forget to buy the album, came out yesterday.
I agree, the equally catchy Lloyd single didn't make the top 100.
the album will fair better, bought mine anyroad.
spleenhead April 22, 2009, 08:41 AM I agree, the equally catchy Lloyd single didn't make the top 100.
the album will fair better, bought mine anyroad.
Couldn't find it in either my local independent record shop or HMV. Anyone else having trouble tracking it down?
Sphinx April 22, 2009, 09:27 AM Couldn't find it in either my local independent record shop or HMV. Anyone else having trouble tracking it down?
try these
http://www.actionrecords.co.uk
normally really good
I'm off to see them again end of the week - can't wait.
Hidden By Rags April 22, 2009, 06:22 PM Amazon (U.S) CD #1 in Indie-Rock category. :)
Insound has a promo poster to go with your LP pre-order:
http://www.insound.com/Camera_Obscura_My_Maudlin_Career__PRE-ORDER_LP/productmain/p/INS54371/
jesuisbryony April 22, 2009, 08:42 PM Paul Morley talks about Camera Obscura
http://vimeo.com/4276283
spleenhead May 5, 2009, 11:49 AM Here is one of their new b-sides,
You're the Only Star in my Blue Heaven (http://www.sendspace.com/file/qllrqx) :)
Does anyone have the b-side from the vinyl issuing of French Navy?
Kewpie June 8, 2009, 11:38 AM Just found out Camera Obscura will be playing Sunday 26th July Ben & Jerry's Sundae festival Clapham Common, London. :)
You can book tickets from http://benandjerrys.co.uk
Maurice E June 8, 2009, 12:21 PM Just found out Camera Obscura will be playing Sunday 26th July Ben & Jerry's Sundae festival Clapham Common, London. :)
You can book tickets from http://benandjerrys.co.uk
looks like a good line-up. Tilly on the Wall and the Human League also playing.
three top-notch bands for a tenner. bargain!
jesuisbryony July 3, 2009, 05:16 PM Wonderful!
JULY
Fri 10 Jul UK T In The Park Festival
Sun 12 Jul Ireland Oxegen festival
Sat 18 Jul UK Suffolk Latitude Festival
Sat 25 Jul UK Derbyshire Indietracks festival
Sun 26 Jul UK London Ben & Jerry's Sundae
AUGUST
Sun 2 Aug UK Cardiff Big Weekend
Sat 8 Aug UK Ayrshire Dean Castle - with Lloyd Cole (how good is that
going to be?)
Sat 15 Aug France St Malo La Route de Rock
Sun 23 Aug UK Hay-on-Wye Green Man Festival
Sat 29 Aug Sweden Stockholm Popaganda Festival
SEPTEMBER
Sat 26 Sep UK Southend Village Green Festival
Mon 28 Sep Belgium Venue TBC
Tue 29 Sep Germany Osnabruck Glanz & Gloria
Wed 30 Sep Denmark Copenhagen Loppen
OCTOBER
Thu 1 Oct Sweden Gothenburg Parken
Fri 2 Oct Norway Oslo Parkteatret
Sat 3 Oct Sweden Stockholm Strand
Mon 5 Oct Sweden Malmo Debaser
Tue 6 Oct Denmark Aarhus Woxhall
Wed 7 Oct Germany Hamburg Knust
Thu 8 Oct Germany Berlin Postbahnhof
Fri 9 Oct Czech Republic Prague The Cross Club
Sat 10 Oct Austria Vienna Flex
Mon 12 Oct Germany Munich 59to1
Tue 13 Oct Switzerland Zurich Abart
Wed 14 Oct Italy Milan Casa 139
Thu 15 Oct France Venue TBC
Fri 16 Oct France Paris Maroquinerie
Sun 18 Oct France Tourcoing Grand Mix
Mon 19 Oct Belgium Brussels Ancienne Belgique
Tue 20 Oct Holland Amsterdam Paradiso
Thu 22 Oct UK Norwich Waterfront
Fri 23 Oct UK Brighton Komedia
Sat 24 Oct UK Exeter Phoenix
Sun 25 Oct UK Bristol Thekla
Mon 26 Oct UK Lancaster Library
Tue 27 Oct UK Leeds Cockpit
Thu 29 Oct UK Glasgow Barrowlands
NOVEMBER
Tue 3 Nov UK London Shepherd's Bush Empire
Thu 5 Nov Spain Zaragoza Casa Del Loco
Fri 6 Nov Spain Salamanca Multiusos Sanchez Paraiso
Sat 7 Nov Spain Valladolid Fair
Sun 8 Nov Spain Madrid Heineken
Mon 9 Nov Spain Barcelona Apolo
Girl-with-the-Thorn July 3, 2009, 07:42 PM Camera Obscura are great. :thumb:.
brutalityobscene July 4, 2009, 07:36 AM Camera Obscura are great. :thumb:.
They are indeed the tops
Dow Jones July 4, 2009, 11:28 AM This band is extremely [overwhelmingly positive adjective here.] Biggest Bluest Hi Fi is made of delicious. tru fax.
CharlieFairhead July 4, 2009, 03:44 PM Some added UK dates.
Thu 22 Oct UK Norwich Waterfront
Fri 23 Oct UK Brighton Komedia
Sat 24 Oct UK Exeter Phoenix
Sun 25 Oct UK Bristol Thekla
Mon 26 Oct UK Lancaster Library
Tue 27 Oct UK Leeds Cockpit
Thu 29 Oct UK Glasgow Barrowlands
NOVEMBER
Tue 3 Nov UK London Shepherd's Bush Empire
Girl-with-the-Thorn July 4, 2009, 10:00 PM Some added UK dates.
Thu 22 Oct UK Norwich Waterfront
Fri 23 Oct UK Brighton Komedia
Sat 24 Oct UK Exeter Phoenix
Sun 25 Oct UK Bristol Thekla
Mon 26 Oct UK Lancaster Library
Tue 27 Oct UK Leeds Cockpit
Thu 29 Oct UK Glasgow Barrowlands
NOVEMBER
Tue 3 Nov UK London Shepherd's Bush Empire
:eek: Norwich! Yay :D
I'm totally planning to go now. :)
girl still ill July 6, 2009, 07:57 PM Gutted! Gig in my hometown and i can't go :(
Will be in London for Moz at RAH. Not too sad then :p
Girl-with-the-Thorn July 6, 2009, 10:43 PM I may be going to the Norwich gig, not too sure whether I can make it yet though. :(.
jesuisbryony July 23, 2009, 08:01 PM They're on Janice Long tonight, ladies and gents.
CharlieFairhead July 23, 2009, 08:05 PM They're on Janice Long tonight, ladies and gents.
Bloody hell she really does have the graveyard shift, shocking considering the crap on daytime radio..Sara Cox & that trollop Fearne Cotton to name but two.
Thank you for that btw. x
jesuisbryony July 23, 2009, 08:19 PM Bloody hell she really does have the graveyard shift, shocking considering the crap on daytime radio..Sara Cox & that trollop Fearne Cotton to name but two.
Thank you for that btw. x
Oh they're height of idiocy, though not quite as repulsive as Whiley.
Camera Obscura are on 'Absolute' too because you can never have too much of a good thing!
Tex August 18, 2009, 05:08 AM Ive got Biggest Bluest Hi Fi...
What album should I get next??
Maurice E August 18, 2009, 08:42 AM I loved Hey Lloyd, and quite liked Roman Holiday, but found the album pretty disappointing.
I liked the last single (French Army?) and a song they done on Radcliffe's (or possibly Long's) show. Reckon I'd like the new album?
Kewpie August 18, 2009, 09:27 AM I loved Hey Lloyd, and quite liked Roman Holiday, but found the album pretty disappointing.
I liked the last single (French Army?) and a song they done on Radcliffe's (or possibly Long's) show. Reckon I'd like the new album?
Actually last single is called French Navy.
CharlieFairhead August 18, 2009, 12:51 PM Ive got Biggest Bluest Hi Fi...
What album should I get next??
They're all worth getting so you may as well go in release order (If you want to obviously)
So:
'Underachievers please try harder'
'Let's Get Out Of This Country'
'My Maudlin Career'
If you get hold of 'Rare UK Bird' I'll take my cap off to you, easy to find as a download mind.
They're a brilliant b-side band too, the b-sides often eclipse some of the album tracks. I'd recommend as many singles as you can get hold of,
hope this helps.
gretchenraine August 18, 2009, 02:59 PM Hey, they played in the building I work at a couple months ago and I was walking through the backstage area to go out to my car while they were doing their soundcheck. I stopped and listened for a while - they were great!
Happy Maudlin August 19, 2009, 12:43 AM Camera Obscura. Love.
jesuisbryony September 3, 2009, 06:49 PM A rather good session for Pitchfork telly.
http://pitchfork.com/tv/#/episode/2029-camera-obscura/1
VoxGuy September 3, 2009, 08:55 PM I loved Hey Lloyd, and quite liked Roman Holiday, but found the album pretty disappointing.
I liked the last single (French Army?) and a song they done on Radcliffe's (or possibly Long's) show. Reckon I'd like the new album?
"French Navy". I quite like the new album.
Corrissey September 3, 2009, 11:33 PM I'm new to them, been listening to My Maudlin Career a lot lately. I love it (James is stuck in my head)!
Tracyanne's voice is heavenly. :sweet:
jesuisbryony October 12, 2009, 02:59 PM How jolly
nhSanTYPm2g
virtually dead October 12, 2009, 03:23 PM Anyone going to see them play this year?
half a person and I are going to see them play the Barowlands in Glasgow if anyone wants to join us
Superhans October 14, 2009, 05:21 PM Saw them play live for free and Traceyanne so flirted with me, so suck on that.
CharlieFairhead November 3, 2009, 11:36 AM They're on George Lamb's show today.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/shows/georgelamb/
It wasn't up to much, he's crap at interviews anyway.
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