Being single and a woman (I checked:p) I have found myself recently having to explain myself to people. They either think I’m desperate or unable to fall in love; both crap! I have had a couple of so called mates fall out with me of late. One of them thinks I want to sleep with her husband (which is ridiculous) and the other thinks I am giving him the wrong messages (I like him only as a friend and he wants more). Anyway this brings me to my point...do you think people are scared of women who enjoy male company with out wanting more and are they perhaps scared of single women stealing their men.
Anyone had experience of this? It's pissing me right off. Surely people can't be that dumb.

i surely think it depends on how many cats you own

:)

i surely think it depends on how many cats you own

:)

just the one...thats not too bad :D

Being single and a woman (I checked:p) I have found myself recently having to explain myself to people. They either think I’m desperate or unable to fall in love; both crap! I have had a couple of so called mates fall out with me of late. One of them thinks I want to sleep with her husband (which is ridiculous) and the other thinks I am giving him the wrong messages (I like him only as a friend and he wants more). Anyway this brings me to my point...do you think people are scared of women who enjoy male company with out wanting more and are they perhaps scared of single women stealing their men.
Anyone had experience of this? It's pissing me right off. Surely people can't be that dumb.

I'm single and I love having guys friends, but lately I'm having a hard time cuz any guys i meet, they want more. why do guys have to assume that just b/c i want to hang out with them, or talk to them, i want to make out with them? its like, i cant even be nice to some guys cuz they take it the wrong way. i have guy friends that ive been friends with for years, but i cant make any new guy friends. :(

I'm single and I love having guys friends, but lately I'm having a hard time cuz any guys i meet, they want more. why do guys have to assume that just b/c i want to hang out with them, or talk to them, i want to make out with them? its like, i cant even be nice to some guys cuz they take it the wrong way. i have guy friends that ive been friends with for years, but i cant make any new guy friends. :(

Their biological clock is ticking :p

I had a female friend who enjoyed saying "Hi darling" Whenever my new girlfriend was in earshot. (This still get's brought up 18 years on).

I'll be single again in a couple of months. Any takers? :p

I'm single and I love having guys friends, but lately I'm having a hard time cuz any guys i meet, they want more. why do guys have to assume that just b/c i want to hang out with them, or talk to them, i want to make out with them? its like, i cant even be nice to some guys cuz they take it the wrong way. i have guy friends that ive been friends with for years, but i cant make any new guy friends. :(

Ditto.

It's made me actually feel really uncomfortable around men now. My 'freind' said I was giving him signals...was I shit! I was just being friendly but now I can't do that :mad:

In all seriousness, are you really desperate? ..

Ditto.

It's made me actually feel really uncomfortable around men now. My 'freind' said I was giving him signals...was I shit! I was just being friendly but now I can't do that :mad:

If you didn't put your hand down his pants, it's just being friendly.

In all seriousness, are you really desperate? ..

I can't answer for the other ladies, but if that was directed at me, then the answer is no.

Men: Do Not Want.

Ditto.

It's made me actually feel really uncomfortable around men now. My 'freind' said I was giving him signals...was I shit! I was just being friendly but now I can't do that :mad:

i know what you mean. i met this guy a month or so ago. he started talking to me at the bar. i didnt find him attractive, but he was nice and we had some things in common. so he ASKS ME OUT right then and there. i said MAYBE, cuz i didnt wanna be mean. he asks for my number, and I gave it to him, cuz im too nice. haha, so then he starts calling and texting me. i ignored them all, figured he'd get the hint. then i see him at the same bar a couple weeks later, all "why didnt you call me back?" i said "i didnt wanna lead you on." goes on this whole thing about how he just wants to be friends. THEN AN HOUR LATER TRIES TO KISS ME. :rolleyes::sick:

ughhhh. no thx.

In all seriousness, are you really desperate? ..

Not in the slightest. I would feel better if I was then at least there would be a reason people are saying shite about me.

Not in the slightest. I would feel better if I was then at least there would be a reason people are saying shite about me.

mozzette. i think thats probably the problem with both of us. when i was desperate, in my early 20s, guys would RUN from me. and now they won't keep their paws off me b/c they sense that im really emotionally unavailable right now, and everyone wants what they cant have. what do you think of that theory? haha

mozzette. i think thats probably the problem with both of us. when i was desperate, in my early 20s, guys would RUN from me. and now they won't keep their paws off me b/c they sense that im really emotionally unavailable right now, and everyone wants what they cant have. what do you think of that theory? haha

I like that theory! :D

I have no experience of being a single woman.

Try, it's quite fun for 3 weeks of the month.

Not in the slightest.

How boring. Desperate is much more fun.

mozzette. i think thats probably the problem with both of us. when i was desperate

Past tense? Rotten luck

Past tense? Rotten luck

sorry to disappoint. :p

sorry to disappoint. :p


so you've got a chap?

seriously you are a nice looking girl, it can't be that hard for you!

so you've got a chap?

seriously you are a nice looking girl, it can't be that hard for you!

no, no chap. he pointed out that i USED to be desperate, but not anymore, and thats why he was disappointed. :)

no, its not hard to find a guy that's attracted to me, but its hard to find someone who isnt a total douchenozzle (see my previous story...) to be attracted to me. :D I'd settle down if I found the right guy though, I'm just very picky and I know what I'm looking for,and i guess thats a good thing. but it can be frustrating too. :rolleyes:

no, no chap. he pointed out that i USED to be desperate, but not anymore, and thats why he was disappointed. :)

no, its not hard to find a guy that's attracted to me, but its hard to find someone who isnt a total douchenozzle (see my previous story...) to be attracted to me. :D I'd settle down if I found the right guy though, I'm just very picky and I know what I'm looking for,and i guess thats a good thing. but it can be frustrating too. :rolleyes:

hey C, how much as i think your 'awesome' i can't be arsed to read anything....problem is tonights O'neils public houses:p you are not 'picky' you just know what you want, which isn't a bad thing.

Don't ask how I found this but it made me chuckle. :D

'For women, friendships and romantic relationships are two separate things. They are NOT the same.
One can lead to another, but it's RARE when it happens.
Remember that.'

http://www.datingclass.com/ (http://www.datingclass.com/dyd/women-hate.shtml)

hey C, how much as i think your 'awesome' i can't be arsed to read anything....problem is tonights O'neils public houses:p you are not 'picky' you just know what you want, which isn't a bad thing.

thx Blazey Blaze ;)

and now they won't keep their paws off me b/c they sense that im really emotionally unavailable right now, and everyone wants what they cant have. what do you think of that theory? haha

I believe that's a very good theory....seems to often prove itself true.


so you've got a chap?



OMG, at first I thought you asked, "so you've got the clap?" :doh:

In the immortal words of the great Kat Williams, Esq.:

"If you're 25 and saying "Niggas ain't shit"... What you mean to say is that niggas you is fucking with ain't shit. You need to figure out what it is about your pussy that is attracting ain't shit niggas"

Don't ask how I found this but it made me chuckle. :D

'For women, friendships and romantic relationships are two separate things. They are NOT the same.
One can lead to another, but it's RARE when it happens.
Remember that.'

http://www.datingclass.com/ (http://www.datingclass.com/dyd/women-hate.shtml)

i liked this part:

"SINGLE, ATTRACTIVE WOMEN WATCH MEN TRY TO WIN THEM OVER ALL DAY LONG. THEY KNOW WHEN A GUY DOESN'T "GET IT"... AND THEY'RE ANNOYED WHEN A GUY WHO DOESN'T "GET IT" JUST KEEPS TRYING AND TRYING AND TRYING."

Can I get an AMEN?

In the immortal words of the great Kat Williams, Esq.:

"If you're 25 and saying "Niggas ain't shit"... What you mean to say is that niggas you is fucking with ain't shit. You need to figure out what it is about your pussy that is attracting ain't shit niggas"

so its my fault that creepos keep hitting on me? :mad:


you're not doing so well with me today, mister. :rolleyes::p

thx Blazey Blaze ;)

your always welcome:)


OMG, at first I thought you asked, "so you've got the clap?" :doh:

that was a one time chat up line, didn't seem to work thou:p

so its my fault that creepos keep hitting on me? :mad:


you're not doing so well with me today, mister. :rolleyes::p

Ha! :D

I'm on a... what's the opposite of roll?:confused::p

Nah not directed towards you. Just to women who think that every guy is awful.

Ha! :D

I'm on a... what's the opposite of roll?:confused::p

Nah not directed towards you. Just to women who think that every guy is awful.

I dont think every guy is awful, but at the same time, you will never know what its like to be a woman. if you had the same experiences I've had with nasty guys, you'd feel the same way.

your always welcome:)



that was a one time chat up line, didn't seem to work thou:p

haha, i love your avatar cuz now I imagine you, sitting at your computer, with THAT look on your face, reading all these nonsensical threads and posts. :p

That’s another thing. People think women over 25 and single are going to obviously be men hating, feminist hags.

I'm single and I love having guys friends, but lately I'm having a hard time cuz any guys i meet, they want more. why do guys have to assume that just b/c i want to hang out with them, or talk to them, i want to make out with them? its like, i cant even be nice to some guys cuz they take it the wrong way. i have guy friends that ive been friends with for years, but i cant make any new guy friends. :(

You should try making friends with gay men, because 99.9% of straight men do not want to be your friend, unless that entails railing you like a $2, Taiwanese hooker.

I'm on a... what's the opposite of roll?:confused::p

Troll?

Being single and a woman (I checked:p) I have found myself recently having to explain myself to people. They either think I’m desperate or unable to fall in love; both crap! I have had a couple of so called mates fall out with me of late. One of them thinks I want to sleep with her husband (which is ridiculous) and the other thinks I am giving him the wrong messages (I like him only as a friend and he wants more). Anyway this brings me to my point...do you think people are scared of women who enjoy male company with out wanting more and are they perhaps scared of single women stealing their men.
Anyone had experience of this? It's pissing me right off. Surely people can't be that dumb.

I'm sooo with you on that :mad:
99% of my friends are male since I simply can't seem to get along with other girls. And the jealousy of some of their girlfriends is just fucking insane. I am willingly staying single and you'd never catch me flirting/etc. with my mates, so I've no problem with sleep-overs and all that stuff that people seem to think requires separation by gender, and it drives those girls up the wall.

I really hate how the majority of people think a statement like "I like being single" translates to "I simply sleep with more than 1 guy" when I can't be arsed to sleep with anyone at all.


You should try making friends with gay men, because 99.9% of straight men do not want to be your friend, unless that entails railing you like a $2, Taiwanese hooker.

yGMKgLRU-3c

Being single and a woman (I checked:p) I have found myself recently having to explain myself to people. They either think I’m desperate or unable to fall in love; both crap! I have had a couple of so called mates fall out with me of late. One of them thinks I want to sleep with her husband (which is ridiculous) and the other thinks I am giving him the wrong messages (I like him only as a friend and he wants more). Anyway this brings me to my point...do you think people are scared of women who enjoy male company with out wanting more and are they perhaps scared of single women stealing their men.
Anyone had experience of this? It's pissing me right off. Surely people can't be that dumb.

i have made a point about it in the hot press thread after reading his views on relationships...yes there is a difference between single woemen and single men:
okay back to the interview part
..i found his opion on relationships very interesting but since he only mentioned unattached men:: unattatched men are one thing,unattached women is another thing ..being an single man you are being considered as
cool ,independent...
as a woman ..well
..you dont have to be 40 and single to be considered weird,being in your late 20 ties and being unattached ever since is like being the elephant (wo(man):D:o I must know
same goes with a friend of mine . her work colleguages constantly trying to hook her up but she is unwilling..I dont wanna commit myself to anybody either
why should someone be with somebody just for the matter of having somebody i know people who are unhappy in their relationship but choose this state .just for fear being alone..even though the partner treat them like sh*t..my mother for example
or the sex is long gone so they choose live together like a brother/sister .


edit hmm i just saw your thread is more about "girlfriends who are afraid of single women stealing their men";-)

yGMKgLRU-3c

That is pretty much correct, at least in my personal experience. Many women have that 'gay best friend' because they know it's the only way to get a man to befriend them who doesn't want to have sex with them. Unless the girl is extremely homely or 'one of the guys' with no sexual attraction at all, then she can have all the platonic, non gay friends she wants. Other than that, tough luck, sister.

That is pretty much correct, at least in my personal experience. Many women have that 'gay best friend' because they know it's the only way to get a man to befriend them who doesn't want to have sex with them. Unless the girl is extremely homely or 'one of the guys' with no sexual attraction at all, then she can have all the platonic, non gay friends she wants. Other than that, tough luck, sister.

I don't really have that problem. In my experience it's pretty easy to (soon) tell if a person is after your friendship or the inside of your pants. In the latter case, I simply won't befriend them in the first place. I'm afraid I do have some sexual attraction from the male perspective, but I have a couple of really awesome platonic male friends that are all either happy with their gf or convinced single or whose type I just ain't. I wouldn't generalise it and say the only way is to get gay friends (although I have those too).

I've also known a lot of female individuals where I could just say..it really is their own fault. Some women seem to, willingly or not, act all flirtatiously around every man they meet, and then they're surprised about the reaction..

yGMKgLRU-3c

A fruit basket?!

A fruit basket?!

Could it be a metaphor in Ms Crocker's world?

I've also known a lot of female individuals where I could just say..it really is their own fault. Some women seem to, willingly or not, act all flirtatiously around every man they meet, and then they're surprised about the reaction..

I've met those types too. They get all giggly and girly around guys. :sick:
When I am around male mates I'm just one of the lads really, the way it should be. Some guys think I am coming on them even though I act like that...can't really win! :confused:

My dream girl:

A mute girl.

A guy can dream can't he?

My dream girl:

A mute girl.

A guy can dream can't he?

I'm with you on that.

My dream girl:

A mute girl.

A guy can dream can't he?

hahaha wow,and here i thought we disagreed on everything.:p

i have female friends,i find them attractive in a sense ,as i don't like ugly people but i am so specific in what i like its just an admission that they are attractive but not my type so i don't think anything past that.

no, no chap. he pointed out that i USED to be desperate, but not anymore, and thats why he was disappointed. :)

no, its not hard to find a guy that's attracted to me, but its hard to find someone who isnt a total douchenozzle (see my previous story...) to be attracted to me. :D I'd settle down if I found the right guy though, I'm just very picky and I know what I'm looking for,and i guess thats a good thing. but it can be frustrating too. :rolleyes:

Here I am..

Here I am..

hahahaha



riiiiiiight :rolleyes::p

yGMKgLRU-3c

What an awful person.

That is pretty much correct, at least in my personal experience. you're experience as a woman?

hahahaha



riiiiiiight :rolleyes::p

Is that a 'no' then?...

i have female friends,i find them attractive in a sense ,as i don't like ugly people but i am so specific in what i like its just an admission that they are attractive but not my type so i don't think anything past that.

Just when I started to like you.....

you're experience as a woman?

No, and nowhere in my post did I ever claim to be. Read what I wrote. I stated that in my experience of knowing women, most of them had a gay friend. This has been true the vast majority of the time, as all other men around could never be their 'friend' as they simply wanted to sleep with them.

No, and nowhere in my post did I ever claim to be. Read what I wrote. I stated that in my experience of knowing women, most of them had a gay friend. This has been true the vast majority of the time, as all other men around could never be their 'friend' as they simply wanted to sleep with them.

he was only joking around. you don't have to take everything so seriously you know.

No, and nowhere in my post did I ever claim to be. Read what I wrote. I stated that in my experience of knowing women, most of them had a gay friend. This has been true the vast majority of the time, as all other men around could never be their 'friend' as they simply wanted to sleep with them.

so you want to sleep with all your female friends?


he was only joking around. you don't have to take everything so seriously you know.

Can i buy you a fruit basket:p

so you want to sleep with all your female friends?

I don't have any female friends.

I don't have any female friends.

because they know you are only after one thing! You should buy their gay friend a fruit basket.

Can i buy you a fruit basket:p

haha no thx. :D

I don't have any female friends.

do you have any friends?

haha no thx. :D



well sod you then!

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k238/morrisseysolo/other%20stuff%20for%20solo/miserablesmiley.gif

I hate your gay friend!!!!! so there:p

well sod you then!

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k238/morrisseysolo/other%20stuff%20for%20solo/miserablesmiley.gif

I hate your gay friend!!!!! so there:p

you can buy me a drink instead! ;)

I don't have any female friends.

Aww for why?

Yeah I know they're ALL CRAZY but give 'em a shot!:D

and from the fruit basket you have freshly squeezed juice:)

fine, i'll just make my own appletini!! :rolleyes::p

Aww for why?

Yeah I know they're ALL CRAZY but give 'em a shot!:D

Because I simply have little or nothing in common with the vast majority of women. I've yet to meet a girl who has anything of substance to add to a conversation, or has any similar hobbies, interests or views.

And before you say something along the lines of "you are just looking in the wrong places" or "you haven't met the right kind of girl" I will add that this is based on a lifetime of interaction from everywhere to school (including public, secondary and college) to a workplace environment right up to social situations.


do you have any friends?

I prefer to be alone, so mostly a keep a few acquaintances with which to interact with when I feel like it. Truth be told, I simply hate the commitment and time constraints of having many friends or relationships. I prefer a more solitary existence with but a few people around me to interact with at my leisure should I feel the need for company, which I rarely do.

Because I simply have little or nothing in common with the vast majority of women. I've yet to meet a girl who has anything of substance to add to a conversation, or has any similar hobbies, interests or views.

And before you say something along the lines of "you are just looking in the wrong places" or "you haven't met the right kind of girl" I will add that this is based on a lifetime of interaction from everywhere to school (including public, secondary and college) to a workplace environment right up to social situations.


Well, there's high standards then there's you. Nah all joking aside, I know what you mean. But there are worse things in life than never being someone's sweetie I suppose. ;)

Yeah I know they're ALL CRAZY but give 'em a shot!:D

Careful.. That's what some people would say about you Christians too. Prejudices cause wars as we know.

Careful.. That's what some people would say about you Christians too. Prejudices cause wars as we know.

Well not ALL. :p

I forgot about you. ;)

Well not ALL. :p

I forgot about you. ;)

Schmoozer.. :D

Being single and a woman (I checked:p) I have found myself recently having to explain myself to people. They either think I’m desperate or unable to fall in love; both crap! I have had a couple of so called mates fall out with me of late. One of them thinks I want to sleep with her husband (which is ridiculous) and the other thinks I am giving him the wrong messages (I like him only as a friend and he wants more). Anyway this brings me to my point...do you think people are scared of women who enjoy male company with out wanting more and are they perhaps scared of single women stealing their men.
Anyone had experience of this? It's pissing me right off. Surely people can't be that dumb.

Ooh, dunno Mozzette :rolleyes: - however...

'A Man is given the choice between loving Women, and understanding them'. ;)

Ooh, dunno Mozzette :rolleyes: - however...

'A Man is given the choice between loving Women, and understanding them'. ;)

This is why most (not all) marriages are a farce. I'm just gonna have a civil partnership. :p

I dislike being at weddings and there's usually someone there saying "Thought you'd have been married by now..."
I feel like replying: "Really? Well, I thought you'd be divorced by now."

I dislike being at weddings and there's usually someone there saying "Thought you'd have been married by now..."
I feel like replying: "Really? Well, I thought you'd be divorced by now."

:D I know more divorcees than happily married people. Sad but true. I give my friends marriages 2 years at the very most.

I dislike being at weddings and there's usually someone there saying "Thought you'd have been married by now..."
I feel like replying: "Really? Well, I thought you'd be divorced by now."

My elderly auntie kept saying to me at family weddings "I thought it would be your turn by now.."

So at a funeral I said the same thing to her.

My elderly auntie kept saying to me at family weddings "I thought it would be your turn by now.."

So at a funeral I said the same thing to her.

hahahaha :clap:

:D I know more divorcees than happily married people. Sad but true. I give my friends marriages 2 years at the very most.

But are they happy divorcees?

But are they happy divorcees?

Happier than they were in their flakey marriages. I always find it strange when they find someone else really soon after the split as well.

Being single and a woman (I checked:p) I have found myself recently having to explain myself to people. They either think I’m desperate or unable to fall in love; both crap! I have had a couple of so called mates fall out with me of late. One of them thinks I want to sleep with her husband (which is ridiculous) and the other thinks I am giving him the wrong messages (I like him only as a friend and he wants more). Anyway this brings me to my point...do you think people are scared of women who enjoy male company with out wanting more and are they perhaps scared of single women stealing their men.
Anyone had experience of this? It's pissing me right off. Surely people can't be that dumb.


Hi,

Being a single woman for a long time myself, I thought I'd reply. However, I don't have the experience your requesting about so, maybe I shouldn't have. lol

Anyway, I think that if a woman in her marriage is a bit insecure & unconfident with herself, if she then, sees an attractive woman in her husband's/boyfriend's life, that's probably why she thinks you'd want to do more. Or, you're more physically attractive than her too, so, that could be another reason for her own insecurity. This goes for the dating game/scene too.

Seriously speaking, just do whatever you feel in your life, you want to do. Don't listen to stereotypes, condoning people or stupidity equaling ignorance.

Good luck as I'm sure you'll find the one you've been waiting for soon!

Happier than they were in their flakey marriages. I always find it strange when they find someone else really soon after the split as well.

People are human, and they need to be loved.

Being single and a woman (I checked:p) I have found myself recently having to explain myself to people. They either think I’m desperate or unable to fall in love; both crap! I have had a couple of so called mates fall out with me of late. One of them thinks I want to sleep with her husband (which is ridiculous) and the other thinks I am giving him the wrong messages (I like him only as a friend and he wants more). Anyway this brings me to my point...do you think people are scared of women who enjoy male company with out wanting more and are they perhaps scared of single women stealing their men.
Anyone had experience of this? It's pissing me right off. Surely people can't be that dumb.

I'm thinking, when you marry someone you want to be his female friend, not just a wife and lover, so maybe they weren't jealous because they thought there was something going on there, but they were jealous of your friendship.

I'm thinking, when you marry someone you want to be his female friend, not just a wife and lover, so maybe they weren't jealous because they thought there was something going on there, but they were jealous of your friendship.

Bingo. Married men and women are not supposed to have friends of the opposite gender. It's not acceptable in our culture to have the level of intimacy that a deep friendship requires with someone else when you're married.

Yes but, we're all human therefore are capable of multiple friendships. How can they be jealous if they trust and love their partner who happens to have mates?

Yes but, we're all human therefore are capable of multiple friendships. How can they be jealous if they trust and love their partner who happens to have mates?

i think it really depends. friends of the opposite sex that the person had BEFORE they got with their partner...okay. making new friends of the opposite sex AFTER they got together with their partner...a little trickier....

i think it really depends. friends of the opposite sex that the person had BEFORE they got with their partner...okay. making new friends of the opposite sex AFTER they got together with their partner...a little trickier....

Only a little?

My elderly auntie kept saying to me at family weddings "I thought it would be your turn by now.."

So at a funeral I said the same thing to her.

hahahahahahahaha,
she'll hopefully not say that again.

this is why i avoid all weddings, its all i hear... GRRR
plus weddings BORE me silly.

Only a little?

figure of speech :rolleyes:;)

I'm single and I love having guys friends, but lately I'm having a hard time cuz any guys i meet, they want more. why do guys have to assume that just b/c i want to hang out with them, or talk to them, i want to make out with them? its like, i cant even be nice to some guys cuz they take it the wrong way. i have guy friends that ive been friends with for years, but i cant make any new guy friends. :(

I don't know one straight guy on the planet who is out specifically looking for a female FRIEND. Every new female a guy meets or encounters is first and foremost judged on a scale of sexual attractiveness. Sure, a friendship may develop over time for a variety of reasons - I have several very good female friends - but there is likely always going to be some sort of sexual tension in the mix. Or, put more mildly, "what if" questions lingering in the background.

Just the facts as I see 'em.....

This is why most (not all) marriages are a farce. I'm just gonna have a civil partnership. :p


Oh come one now!
Marriage is not a farce.

Marriage is a financial contract between two people.

Oh come one now!
Marriage is not a farce.

Marriage is a financial contract between two people.

Not a farce, exactly, but sometimes it is as ridiculous and contrived as an episode of Fawlty Towers.

But the contract, oh yes.

Marriage is a financial contract between two people.

But the contract, oh yes.

I'm under the impression that only women think that marriage is a financial contract. Why is that?

I'm under the impression that only women think that marriage is a financial contract. Why is that?

My husband financially drained me.....by the time I divorced him, there wasn't much left to fight over.

My husband financially drained me.....by the time I divorced him, there wasn't much left to fight over.

Ah, so your finances contracted?

I'm under the impression that only women think that marriage is a financial contract. Why is that?

Maybe we realize, too late, that we've sold out for too little. Just a theory...

Ah, so your finances contracted?

indeed.

I'm under the impression that only women think that marriage is a financial contract. Why is that?

Not at all. Many men, who are the main victims of divorce (paying about 90% of the alimony and child support payments in North America) know very well that marriage is nothing more than a legally binding agreement.

In the past, people were naive, the divorce rate was very low, and people were blissfully ignorant as to what marriage really was. But now, with the 50% divorce rate, people have become painfully aware of what exactly marriage is, and why it's an utterly useless and antiquated notion.

That is probably why the rate of marriage is at an all time low these days. For the first time in America's history, the majority of households are headed by single people, and more and more people refuse to marry. The facts are coming to light and people are reacting accordingly.

Not at all. Many men, who are the main victims of divorce (paying about 90% of the alimony and child support payments in North America) know very well that marriage is nothing more than a legally binding agreement.

In the past, people were naive, the divorce rate was very low, and people were blissfully ignorant as to what marriage really was. But now, with the 50% divorce rate, people have become painfully aware of what exactly marriage is, and why it's an utterly useless and antiquated notion.

That is probably why the rate of marriage is at an all time low these days. For the first time in America's history, the majority of households are headed by single people, and more and more people refuse to marry. The facts are coming to light and people are reacting accordingly.

If you don't get married you can't get any presents! Don't you know anything?

I am a little bored with singledom, but then on the other hand, I was
bored when I was married.
I like going out and having fun still, and I expect I will meet someone one
day, but it has to be within the realms of someone who will respect
my space and not be a using bastard. So for now I'm going to
be selective and choosy and not make rash decisions when I'm drunk.
In other words I'm going back to being good......
;)

I am a little bored with singledom, but then on the other hand, I was bored when I was married.

I think that says a lot about you as a person, really. I've been single my whole life, but never bored or lonely. I took the time to get to know myself, what I like, dislike, why I like and dislike these things, basically, become my own best friend. I have a variety of hobbies; each day is something new and different. I have activities I participate in, goals I have set, and new things to see and do on a daily basis.

I never understood how people can be bored or lonely when life is nearly limitless. These are the kind of people I have found that drag me down in social situations and have nearly no self awareness or sense of what makes them tick; they are just clueless and needy.

Not to say that you are, but generally the people who exhibit that type of attitude are just that, and usually always alone or jumping from one person to the next, one failed relationship to the next, trying not to be bored, trying to find something in others that they can't find in themselves.

If you don't get married you can't get any presents! Don't you know anything?

:guitar: That was so funny!

I'm single and it times it sucks with most of my friends being married. Doesn't really matter, all I seem to find are rejects. Am just going to be happy on my own.

Being single and a woman (I checked:p) I have found myself recently having to explain myself to people. They either think I’m desperate or unable to fall in love; both crap! I have had a couple of so called mates fall out with me of late. One of them thinks I want to sleep with her husband (which is ridiculous) and the other thinks I am giving him the wrong messages (I like him only as a friend and he wants more). Anyway this brings me to my point...do you think people are scared of women who enjoy male company with out wanting more and are they perhaps scared of single women stealing their men.
Anyone had experience of this? It's pissing me right off. Surely people can't be that dumb.

Admit it, you're talking about the same person here, right? :p

I'm single and it times it sucks with most of my friends being married. Doesn't really matter, all I seem to find are rejects. Am just going to be happy on my own.

when friends get married the only thing to do is drop them.

when friends get married the only thing to do is drop them.

yep....drop them until they "come back" to the single life

yep....drop them until they "come back" to the single life

they tell you how great it is, so that you will do it too. Then if they are lucky your spouse will get along with their's and talk about flower arranging or bass fishin or something, but it will give them a minute to breathe without having to tell their SO to STFU.

I'm under the impression that only women think that marriage is a financial contract. Why is that?

If it's true, I would guess it's because women in general have less financial security; they get paid less per hour, and often work less*. Being married can increase the chances for financial comfort in the present and in the future- whatever it may hold.


*The system pushes you in that direction- once you have children it sometime financially more beneficial for one of the parents to stay home or work less, and it makes more sense that the one who earns less will work less. And who is the one that usually earns less?? That's right.

About befriending people from the opposite sex when you're married (does it equal being in a relationship?):

From my experience it's not easy to find people you can *really* talk too. I would never want my partner to give up a potential friendship because of me.

About befriending people from the opposite sex when you're married (does it equals being in a relationship?):

From my experience it's not easy to find people you can *really* talk too. I would never want my partner to give up a potential friendship because of me.

Well, that's why it's not fair. People's minds instantly assume that friends of opposite genders must also feel sexual attraction to each other, and that they will be impelled to act on it. Of course, that's not necessarily true. The assumption is extremely offensive to me.

How can they be jealous if they trust and love their partner who happens to have mates?
Do you really not know the answer to this one then?
One day maybe you'll have a boyfriend who you love.
Then see if you'll like him having women friends.
You'll try not to worry but you will.

I would only get married again for financial security.

I would only get married again for financial security.
Then you wonder maybe why men are like they are?
You can never trust a women's motives for anything.
I am married now for 15 years to my present wife.
Do I trust her completely.
Not on your Nelly.
I'm financially secure.But she still doesn't know that.
I have not and will never let her know my financial situation.

Then you wonder maybe why men are like they are?
You can never trust a women's motives for anything.
I am married now for 15 years to my present wife.
Do I trust her completely.
Not on your Nelly.
I'm financially secure.But she still doesn't know that.
I have not and will never let her know my financial situation.

What and a man would never marry a woman for financial security! Hello, get real!

What and a man would never marry a woman for financial security! Hello, get real!

Generally not. Since men generally out earn women, the chance of a man marrying for money is very, very slim. Not because a man wouldn't take the opportunity if it arose, I'm sure most would marry a rich girl if they could, but simply due to the fact there aren't very man of them out there.

Generally not. I'm sure most would marry a rich girl if they could, but simply due to the fact there aren't very man of them out there.

So if there were more, more men would marry them. The previous poster was making out it would be something only women would do.

So if there were more, more men would marry them. The previous poster was making out it would be something only women would do.
Was I?
Are you a women by some chance?
They always seem to think they know what a man is thinking.

So if there were more, more men would marry them. The previous poster was making out it would be something only women would do.

If the laws were biased in marriage towards men, as they now are towards women, I'm sure many men would love to get married, use no fault divorce to leave whenever they wanted and take 50% of their spouses stuff and get alimony, child support etc, yes.

It is only a gender specific problem because the law caters to females in this particular area. I'm sure if it were overly biased towards men that they would also take advantage of it in the same way. It's human nature.

If the laws were biased in marriage towards men, as they now are towards women, I'm sure many men would love to get married, use no fault divorce to leave whenever they wanted and take 50% of their spouses stuff and get alimony, child support etc, yes.

It is only a gender specific problem because the law caters to females in this particular area. I'm sure if it were overly biased towards men that they would also take advantage of it in the same way. It's human nature.

I disagree, the law is equal it is not biased towards females.

People need to have realistic thoughts on marriage.

There's only a few ways why people even still do it (look at the statistics if you don't believe me):

1) Money/financial security/stability

2) Safety/Boredom: To leave their current environment (many factors could lead into this)

3) Sexually/initmate equalities they've never found but, in this one person

4) They found the perfect "trophy" spouse, enough said...

5) Abuse (in any form) from a former partner/spouse/relative




That's pretty sad though, if you really think about it. Maybe it is best to cohabitate, be independent & take care of your own responsibilities. You can get sex, trophy partners & rid of your life from anywhere, really.

I mean, if you married your spouse & you both feel it's real, true love, great! However, some don't have that on this Earth, those people are meant for other reasons which could be positive too.

I disagree, the law is equal it is not biased towards females.

Whether you disagree or not does not change the facts. I do not speak out of opinion, but based on what the law says, how the system works, the current 'marriage strike' that many are participating in, the high rate of divorce, the fact that men pay 90% of all alimony and child support payments, and the fact that family courts are so biased, many men's rights groups are now holding protests on a regular basis just to get people to listen.

The system is many, many things, but 'equal' it is not. When 50% of women pay alimony and child support, when we see a drastic rise in joint custody of children, when men are no longer taken to the cleaners and pre nups are no longer contested because women feel they 'need' more money, they I will agree with you whole heartedly.

What we have now is a system of no fault divorce that allows a woman to do whatever she wants, lie, cheat, even be caught having an affair, leave the man, and he still has to pay her to get out, she still gets 50%, and a monthly alimony cheque! Even if the man leaves (which happens less than 30% of the time according to the most recent US census) he still must give up half of his possessions and assets simply for his freedom.

You say this is equal, but let's recap:

9/10 who pay alimony: Men

9/10 who pay child support: Men

Percent who file for divorce nationally: 50%

Percent who are women (who later benefit from said child support, alimony and through gaining assets via divorce): over 70%

90, 90, 70 are the numbers, I don't see how that is equal at all.

Say what you will, have whichever opinion you want, but you cannot stand there and say the legal system is 'equal' in terms of divorce and family courts. It isn't, and it's becoming a well known fact in American and elsewhere. People are starting to take notice, of this 'equality'.

When 50% of women pay alimony and child support,

Won't that happen when women stop earning less than men? Doesn't the law say that the spouse who is earning more should pay alimony, and right now it's almost always the man?

Won't that happen when women stop earning less than men? Doesn't the law say that the spouse who is earning more should pay alimony, and right now it's almost always the man?

But why would the law demand that you pay somebody simply for the fact they once lived with you anyway? If the law were truly equal, it would say that the couple split their combined assets, take what they had going into the relationship, and leave, the end.

The fact that it states one half is entitled to the other half's earnings is but a small part of the large overall problem.

But why would the law demand that you pay somebody simply for the fact they once lived with you anyway? If the law were truly equal, it would say that the couple split their combined assets, take what they had going into the relationship, and leave, the end.

The fact that it states one half is entitled to the other half's earnings is but a small part of the large overall problem.

People can allow themselves to concentrate on their carrier, if they have a partner who does the domestic work for them and takes care of their children. The Staying-Home partner makes an essential contribution to the Carrier-Making partner's success. Together they form an economical unit, with divided and defined responsibilities. They fruits of this collaboration belong to them both. It's only fair that if they split up the Staying-Home partner will get alimony. She earned it alright.

People can allow themselves to concentrate on their carrier, if they have a partner who does the domestic work for them and takes care of their children. The Staying-Home partner makes an essential contribution to the Carrier-Making partner's success. Together they form an economical unit, with divided and defined responsibilities. They fruits of this collaboration belong to them both. It's only fair that if they split up the Staying-Home partner will get alimony. She earned it alright.

I disagree. That person made a choice to 1. have children and then 2. stay and home and then 3. do those described activities.

They are an adult, capable of adult decisions. Because they chose to do those things with their life does not entitle them to their partners money. If they want money after a divorce then they can get a job like the rest of us.

I disagree. That person made a choice to 1. have children and then 2. stay and home and then 3. do those described activities.

They are an adult, capable of adult decisions. Because they chose to do those things with their life does not entitle them to their partners money. If they want money after a divorce then they can get a job like the rest of us.

so if a married couple decides to have a child, and the wife stays home and the man goes out and works, and then years down the line, they divorce, the wife should get nothing? are you insane?

I disagree. That person made a choice to 1. have children and then 2. stay and home and then 3. do those described activities.

They are an adult, capable of adult decisions. Because they chose to do those things with their life does not entitle them to their partners money. If they want money after a divorce then they can get a job like the rest of us.

"They" I highlighted should refer to both man and the woman. Because usually it's not a decision that the woman makes herself, there has to be an agreement between spouses. So if the man agrees that she should stay at home - and obviously he does, because he doesn't leave or file for divorce - does it mean that he agrees to pay any potential alimony in the future?

The presumption is that the couple made the decision to split the labor the way they did. Marriage is a partnership. Just like in a business partnership--if one partner mostly does sales, and the other mostly does product development, it wouldn't necessarily be fair to say that the salesman should take the bulk of the assets because he's the one who made all the sales.

The laws were structured this way, finally, after many many years of inequity, so that a man couldn't dump his wife of twenty odd years, who had borne him children, kept house, entertained, and done all the work at home so he could devote his attention to his career. Would it be fair that a woman who, in conjunction and by agreement with her partner, sacrificed her earning potential for the greater good of the partnership should be cast out penniless because her husband met a hottie? You have to look at it from that perspective. That's why the laws are like that.

Also, would a father really want his children to suffer materially because the parents divorced? "Sorry kids, mac and cheese at your mom's, t-bone steaks here. Bitch doesn't deserve any better."

^ that post it beautifully written. Thank you.

I disagree. That person made a choice to 1. have children and then 2. stay and home and then 3. do those described activities.

They are an adult, capable of adult decisions. Because they chose to do those things with their life does not entitle them to their partners money. If they want money after a divorce then they can get a job like the rest of us.

Their entitled to a portion of their partner's many, not because of the choices they've made, but due to their contribution to their ex-partner's financial situation.

I think that says a lot about you as a person, really. I've been single my whole life, but never bored or lonely. I took the time to get to know myself, what I like, dislike, why I like and dislike these things, basically, become my own best friend. I have a variety of hobbies; each day is something new and different. I have activities I participate in, goals I have set, and new things to see and do on a daily basis.

I never understood how people can be bored or lonely when life is nearly limitless. These are the kind of people I have found that drag me down in social situations and have nearly no self awareness or sense of what makes them tick; they are just clueless and needy.

Not to say that you are, but generally the people who exhibit that type of attitude are just that, and usually always alone or jumping from one person to the next, one failed relationship to the next, trying not to be bored, trying to find something in others that they can't find in themselves.

Yeow! That's quite harsh you know. Obviously not everyone is so adept socially and/or romantically as you. It isn't easy being a single parent. One doesn't have endless options or time. I haver a lot of self awareness actually and I don't feel sorry for myself. I have put my head down and mainly concentrated on my parental responsibilities and now my son is fifteen I feel able to spread my wings a little.
I don't want a partner to fulfil something that I need. I want a partner to complement my life and to share my interests with.

"Because I simply have little or nothing in common with the vast majority of women. I've yet to meet a girl who has anything of substance to add to a conversation, or has any similar hobbies, interests or views.

And before you say something along the lines of "you are just looking in the wrong places" or "you haven't met the right kind of girl" I will add that this is based on a lifetime of interaction from everywhere to school (including public, secondary and college) to a workplace environment right up to social situations."

It may well be your judgemental black and white thinking that causes
you to be in the sittuation you are in.
I try to be open minded about other people and not judge too harshly
but people like you cause some of us to shrivel up.
Bias and smugness are two of the characteristics I just cannot stand.
By the way, are you a Christian?

Yeow! That's quite harsh you know. Obviously not everyone is so adept socially and/or romantically as you. It isn't easy being a single parent. One doesn't have endless options or time. I haver a lot of self awareness actually and I don't feel sorry for myself. I have put my head down and mainly concentrated on my parental responsibilities and now my son is fifteen I feel able to spread my wings a little.
I don't want a partner to fulfil something that I need. I want a partner to complement my life and to share my interests with.

i would hardly call him socially adept, mauve. :)

^ that post it beautifully written. Thank you.



Their entitled to a portion of their partner's many, not because of the choices they've made, but due to their contribution to their ex-partner's financial situation.

There are 4 main scenarios here:

1. There are no children, both partners work.

2. There are no children, one partner stays home.

3. There are children, one partner works, the other stays home

4. There are children, both partners work.

So, lets do this point by point, assuming the woman benefits from the divorce, which happens 9/10 times.

1. She works, but makes less; therefore, she is entitled to alimony. What did she contribute? She had a job, she worked for herself, yet she still gets to keep doing that as well as get half his cheque.

2. She stays at home, whether she actually does anything productive or not is unknown, they split, she gets half his pay. What did she do to earn it? Why should she be entitled do that in the first place? Get a job.

3. She stays at home with the children, a choice she made. That fact doesn't alter his ability to go to work and make money. If she weren't around he would hire a nanny, or put them in daycare. How does that entitle her to an alimony cheque?

4. The children are now in daycare/with grandparents, they both work and she makes less. They split and she gets alimony along with her child support. Why? She was working while the children were in daycare, and so was he. Just because she made less doesn't entitle her to his money.

"

It may well be your judgemental black and white thinking that causes
you to be in the sittuation you are in.
I try to be open minded about other people and not judge too harshly
but people like you cause some of us to shrivel up.
Bias and smugness are two of the characteristics I just cannot stand.
By the way, are you a Christian?

I am not judgmental, quite the opposite, actually. My thinking is very liberal in many areas. When I enter a social situation I'm usually quite polite, articulate, friendly etc. I just find that with women, they have little or nothing to add. They talk about shopping, friends, gossip and other tedious things. Try getting most of them into a discussion about politics, sports, world affairs, finances, what is in the news etc, and you will find it's like a blank slate.

As I stated in another thread, I prefer to mostly be alone anyway, but if I do tend to socialize, it's mostly with men, who I find I have far more in common with and a far easier time conversing.

And as I have stated on this forum before, I am an Atheist. I rely on facts and logic to do guide me through life, not fairy tales.

I just find that with women, they have little or nothing to add. They talk about shopping, friends, gossip and other tedious things. Try getting most of them into a discussion about politics, sports, world affairs, finances, what is in the news etc, and you will find it's like a blank slate.


I know plenty of men who are dumb as shit.

I know plenty of men who are dumb as shit.

I was just about to write that. thx Cassius. ;)

I was just about to write that. thx Cassius. ;)

Why thank you, nugz. Now if'll you excuse me, I'm off to spend my husband's money, read a gossip magazine, contribute nothing to society, and chat about friends. Maybe I'll cook dinner later. Then it's off to bed and wake up to do it all over again tomorrow!

When I enter a social situation I'm usually quite polite, articulate, friendly etc. I just find that with women, they have little or nothing to add. They talk about shopping, friends, gossip and other tedious things. Try getting most of them into a discussion about politics, sports, world affairs, finances, what is in the news etc, and you will find it's like a blank slate.


Are you as ignorant as you seem to be?

The presumption is that the couple made the decision to split the labor the way they did. Marriage is a partnership. Just like in a business partnership--if one partner mostly does sales, and the other mostly does product development, it wouldn't necessarily be fair to say that the salesman should take the bulk of the assets because he's the one who made all the sales.

That is a unfair comparison. While a business such in your example relies on both sales and development to work together in order for the business to run, a man does not need a woman in order to make money. If she weren't there, he would simply have an apartment. If she didn't cook, he would etc.

I find it abhorrent that women believe that because they made a conscious decision to stay at home and do whatever (with modern day women it's mostly a whole lot of nothing all day) that this now entitles her to half her husbands possessions should the marriage not work out.

If she had gone to work with him day after day and busted her ass making that very money (sorry, dear, vacuuming is not a valid contribution to his actual earning power) then I may tend to agree, but as is, it's utterly laughable.

I sincerely hope that one day this sense of entitlement in women who stay home fades, and they realize it was a choice they made, and nobody is responsible for it but themselves.

The laws were structured this way, finally, after many many years of inequity, so that a man couldn't dump his wife of twenty odd years, who had borne him children, kept house, entertained, and done all the work at home so he could devote his attention to his career. Would it be fair that a woman who, in conjunction and by agreement with her partner, sacrificed her earning potential for the greater good of the partnership should be cast out penniless because her husband met a hottie? You have to look at it from that perspective. That's why the laws are like that.

I don't call it a 'sacrifice', that is a rather silly term. That person decided, as an educated and informed adult, to stop working and become a full time parent. That was their choice. If the deal doesn't work out for them, then it's time to step it up and get a job. Go back to college, take out loans, work hard, y'know, like the rest of us.

Just because things didn't work out just like you wanted and prince charming doesn't want you anymore (which only happens about 3/10 according to the most recent US census) does not mean he owes you half his pay until the day you die. Absolutely ridiculous.

Also, would a father really want his children to suffer materially because the parents divorced? "Sorry kids, mac and cheese at your mom's, t-bone steaks here. Bitch doesn't deserve any better."

You are talking about child support, not alimony. They are entirely different things. If children are involved, then joint custody would be the way to go, with each partner paying for the children's expenses 50/50.

Of course both parents have an obligation to the child, which is a dependent, but sending her a cheque because you used to be with her? Absolutely ridiculous.

Are you as ignorant as you seem to be?

And what about a simple description of how one enters a new social situation makes them appear 'ignorant'?

I know plenty of men who are dumb as shit.

So do I, but I also find that it's far easier to have a conversation with men than with women due to the fact that I simply have more in common with most guys.

Why thank you, nugz. Now if'll you excuse me, I'm off to spend my husband's money, read a gossip magazine, contribute nothing to society, and chat about friends. Maybe I'll cook dinner later. Then it's off to bed and wake up to do it all over again tomorrow!

I love how you took what I originally said and then twisted it into a gross generalization that does not vaguely resemble the original statement, or the point I was making. Fabulous stuff!

So do I, but I also find that it's far easier to have a conversation with men than with women due to the fact that I simply have more in common with most guys.

That's understandable, but you made it seem as if most women are unintelligent.

I am not judgmental, quite the opposite, actually. My thinking is very liberal in many areas. When I enter a social situation I'm usually quite polite, articulate, friendly etc. I just find that with women, they have little or nothing to add. They talk about shopping, friends, gossip and other tedious things. Try getting most of them into a discussion about politics, sports, world affairs, finances, what is in the news etc, and you will find it's like a blank slate.

As I stated in another thread, I prefer to mostly be alone anyway, but if I do tend to socialize, it's mostly with men, who I find I have far more in common with and a far easier time conversing.

And as I have stated on this forum before, I am an Atheist. I rely on facts and logic to do guide me through life, not fairy tales.

Well, it certainly sounds like you're better off alone, then. Cheers...

I love how you took what I originally said and then twisted it into a gross generalization that does not vaguely resemble the original statement, or the point I was making. Fabulous stuff!

Then perhaps you should watch how you come across. I'm not the only person that interpreted your post the same way.

That is a unfair comparison. While a business such in your example relies on both sales and development to work together in order for the business to run, a man does not need a woman in order to make money. If she weren't there, he would simply have an apartment. If she didn't cook, he would etc.

I find it abhorrent that women believe that because they made a conscious decision to stay at home and do whatever (with modern day women it's mostly a whole lot of nothing all day) that this now entitles her to half her husbands possessions should the marriage not work out.

If she had gone to work with him day after day and busted her ass making that very money (sorry, dear, vacuuming is not a valid contribution to his actual earning power) then I may tend to agree, but as is, it's utterly laughable.

you realize that in most cases BOTH parents work, and the mom comes home and takes care of the kids and cooks and cleans while the husbands sits on his ass? the woman does twice as much as a man. idiot.



Just because things didn't work out just like you wanted and prince charming doesn't want you anymore (which only happens about 3/10 according to the most recent US census) does not mean he owes you half his pay until the day you die. Absolutely ridiculous.

yeah thats usually cuz the woman finds out he was cheating, and the husband doesnt understand why shes kicking him out. i mean, what? hes not allowed to have a wife AND g/fs on the side??! how dare she not agree to that

I just find that with women, they have little or nothing to add. They talk about shopping, friends, gossip and other tedious things. Try getting most of them into a discussion about politics, sports, world affairs, finances, what is in the news etc, and you will find it's like a blank slate.


That is what makes you appear ignorant.

It appears as if you are drawing a conclusion about women in general because you happen to socialize with women who aren't particularly interested in such topics.

I know men who only drink beer and talk sports.

http://i509.photobucket.com/albums/s332/heyuseless/popcorn.gif

http://i509.photobucket.com/albums/s332/heyuseless/popcorn.gif

You again!

That is what makes you appear ignorant.

It appears as if you are drawing a conclusion about women in general because you happen to socialize with women who aren't particularly interested in such topics.

I know men who only drink beer and talk sports.

I appear ignorant because you misread and misinterpreted my post, in which I clearly stated that it was based on my personal experience, and limited to those whom I had socialized with?

That says more about you than it does about me.


you realize that in most cases BOTH parents work, and the mom comes home and takes care of the kids and cooks and cleans while the husbands sits on his ass? the woman does twice as much as a man. idiot.

I don't have a statistic on what percentage of married couples both work, but assuming that is true then my point still stands from my previous post.

And you get awfully mad at me, yet you make gross generalizations that the woman does (put off as a fact) more work than the man, in apparently every marriage. Oh yes, I'm sure that is true. I'm quite the idiot for not seeing your undeniable knowledge of this subject.



yeah thats usually cuz the woman finds out he was cheating, and the husband doesnt understand why shes kicking him out. i mean, what? hes not allowed to have a wife AND g/fs on the side??! how dare she not agree to that

Actually, the leading cause of divorce (according, again, to the most recent US census) is simply that the woman got bored/was unhappy. The second reason was that her husband works too much. Affairs were actually way down on the list. The fact is that most women leave because they are simply 'unhappy', and then get paid for it.

Again, you seem to be basing this all on emotion, as if this has affected you (it seems you examples are quite specific, perhaps even personal), while I am simply using the most recent facts as they are known. I'm presenting it from a point of 'hey, this is what the statistics say', while you are doing it purely on emotion.

Then perhaps you should watch how you come across. I'm not the only person that interpreted your post the same way.

Then perhaps you should stop interpreting posts and start reading them.

That's understandable, but you made it seem as if most women are unintelligent.

See above. I said most women I've socialized with were unintelligent. I'm sure there are many that are, I've just not met them in a social setting yet.

Then perhaps you should stop interpreting posts and start reading them.


That is the stupidest thing I have ever read.

I appear ignorant because you misread and misinterpreted my post, in which I clearly stated that it was based on my personal experience, and limited to those whom I had socialized with?

That says more about you than it does about me.




I don't have a statistic on what percentage of married couples both work, but assuming that is true then my point still stands from my previous post.

And you get awfully mad at me, yet you make gross generalizations that the woman does (put off as a fact) more work than the man, in apparently every marriage. Oh yes, I'm sure that is true. I'm quite the idiot for not seeing your undeniable knowledge of this subject.





Actually, the leading cause of divorce (according, again, to the most recent US census) is simply that the woman got bored/was unhappy. The second reason was that her husband works too much. Affairs were actually way down on the list. The fact is that most women leave because they are simply 'unhappy', and then get paid for it.

Again, you seem to be basing this all on emotion, as if this has affected you (it seems you examples are quite specific, perhaps even personal), while I am simply using the most recent facts as they are known. I'm presenting it from a point of 'hey, this is what the statistics say', while you are doing it purely on emotion.



Then perhaps you should stop interpreting posts and start reading them.



See above. I said most women I've socialized with were unintelligent. I'm sure there are many that are, I've just not met them in a social setting yet.

I dont feel like cutting up quotes cuz Im lazy, but basically, Im going by what I've seen with my family and friends. I'm not married, nor have kids, but I think I have a better perspective than someone who barely has any social interation with humans at all.

I am not judgmental, quite the opposite, actually. My thinking is very liberal in many areas. When I enter a social situation I'm usually quite polite, articulate, friendly etc. I just find that with women, they have little or nothing to add. They talk about shopping, friends, gossip and other tedious things. Try getting most of them into a discussion about politics, sports, world affairs, finances, what is in the news etc, and you will find it's like a blank slate.



I appear ignorant because you misread and misinterpreted my post, in which I clearly stated that it was based on my personal experience, and limited to those whom I had socialized with?

That says more about you than it does about me.


I suppose it is a matter of opinion, but your post doesn't seem to require alot of interpretation. I believe you sound ignorant because it appears as if you are drawing a conclusion about women based upon what appears to be limited amount of exposure to them.

all the women i know are way smarter than the men i know.
dunno why.

arsenal, i think you need to check out eharmony or something.

I suppose it is a matter of opinion, but your post doesn't seem to require alot of interpretation. I believe you sound ignorant because it appears as if you are drawing a conclusion about women based upon what appears to be limited amount of exposure to them.

Again, you aren't reading what I wrote. I am not saying ALL of any group is any one way. What I said was that the reason I prefer to socialize with men is that the women I have met (again, read that carefully, and not the absence of the word ALL, or any form of generalization) have not had anything interesting to say, or had anything in common with me.

Does that mean that ALL women are like that. Of course not. That very thought is ludicrous, and no rational person would ever attempt such a comparison.


I dont feel like cutting up quotes cuz Im lazy, but basically, Im going by what I've seen with my family and friends. I'm not married, nor have kids, but I think I have a better perspective than someone who barely has any social interation with humans at all.

As I figured, you are basing your gross generalization off of 1 or 2 cases of people around you, while I am basing my statements on the tens of millions of people included in the US National Census. You can see why I put little stock in what you say even though I apparently have 'barely any social interaction with humans at all', which btw is entirely inaccurate, but I'm hardly surprised.

That is the stupidest thing I have ever read.

And that says even more about you than your gross misinterpretations. I could clearly write "the sky is blue" and it is entirely possibly you interpret that as 'LOL, he thinks the sky is made of water LOL!'. You need to use your common sense when reading a post, but obviously that is beyond the ability of most people here.

arsenal, i think you need to check out eharmony or something.

I don't even know what that is, but sure... I'll get right on that, chief.

Again, you aren't reading what I wrote. I am not saying ALL of any group is any one way. What I said was that the reason I prefer to socialize with men is that the women I have met (again, read that carefully, and not the absence of the word ALL, or any form of generalization) have not had anything interesting to say, or had anything in common with me.

Does that mean that ALL women are like that. Of course not. That very thought is ludicrous, and no rational person would ever attempt such a comparison.




As I figured, you are basing your gross generalization off of 1 or 2 cases of people around you, while I am basing my statements on the tens of millions of people included in the US National Census. You can see why I put little stock in what you say even though I apparently have 'barely any social interaction with humans at all', which btw is entirely inaccurate, but I'm hardly surprised.



And that says even more about you than your gross misinterpretations.



I don't even know what that is, but sure... I'll get right on that, chief.


eharmony will help you to find your soul mate.
you can plug in your likes and dislikes and a computer will locate a person that shares your interests! i think it would be very effective for someone like you arsenal!.

you come across as dogmatic, irrational and defensive. eharmony is perfect for you!

good luck sire!

no , no, no arsenal... no lengthy reply necessary.

this evening i wont be soddering anyone with two run on sentences.

eharmony will help you to find your soul mate.
you can plug in your likes and dislikes and a computer will locate a person that shares your interests! i think it would be very effective for someone like you arsenal!.

you come across as dogmatic, irrational and defensive. eharmony is perfect for you!

good luck sire!

I don't believe in 'soul mates' nor am I looking for any type of relationship.

Yes, I'm the most irrational person I know. I base my statements on statistics and national facts rather than 1 or 2 personal experiences. I'm terribly irrational, I need to work on it badly. I should find help online, as it's full of rational and logical people.

Thank you for the advice. :)

And that says even more about you than your gross misinterpretations.


You know me so well. :rolleyes:

soldering. whatever.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/wine/graphics/2006/11/11/stew.jpg

I don't believe in 'soul mates' nor am I looking for any type of relationship.

Yes, I'm the most irrational person I know. I base my statements on statistics and national facts rather than 1 or 2 personal experiences. I'm terribly irrational, I need to work on it badly. I should find help online, as it's full of rational and logical people.

Thank you for the advice. :)



well by jove and gosh golly.... you ought to move to CHINA.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/wine/graphics/2006/11/11/stew.jpg

look at that forehead.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/wine/graphics/2006/11/11/stew.jpg

See, I don't even think this is popcorn worthy. There's much better disputes on here. We aren't even name calling...yet.

look at that forehead.

That's a fivehead.

Like mine. :o

That's a fivehead.

Like mine. :o

ask sharron for her number, he's not busy.

That's a fivehead.

Like mine. :o

I didn't think yours was that big.

Feel free to say "That's what she said!".

That's a fivehead.

Like mine. :o

You should see mine. It goes aaalllllll the way back. ;)

You should see mine. It goes aaalllllll the way back. ;)

How are you feeling, Pregs?

I don't believe in 'soul mates' nor am I looking for any type of relationship.

Yes, I'm the most irrational person I know. I base my statements on statistics and national facts rather than 1 or 2 personal experiences. I'm terribly irrational, I need to work on it badly. I should find help online, as it's full of rational and logical people.

Thank you for the advice. :)

who's assuming things now? who's misinterpreting now? I never said how many personal experiences I said I had. you have no idea what I've experienced and seen. you are saying that to belittle my opinions. you are being hypocritical now.

man, and all this time I thought people got married cause they were immensely fond of each other..:p

I didn't think yours was that big.

Feel free to say "That's what she said!".

Nope, you nipped it in the bud. :mad:

You should see mine. It goes aaalllllll the way back. ;)

Yours doesn't count--it'll grow back.

Nope, you nipped it in the bud. :mad:


You could have always said that you could "take that however you please".

ask sharron for her number, he's not busy.

Not true. I am going to a bar right now.

who's assuming things now? who's misinterpreting now? I never said how many personal experiences I said I had. you have no idea what I've experienced and seen. you are saying that to belittle my opinions. you are being hypocritical now.

I dont feel like cutting up quotes cuz Im lazy, but basically, Im going by what I've seen with my family and friends.

I'm taking it that you have only seen it a few times, lets say 1 dozen max. The point I was trying to make is that compared to tens of millions, which is what the national census is based on, your personal experiences are just that, and contribute little to the big picture.

I am simply pointing out what you, yourself said, if that 'belittles' your opinion, then so be it. I'm not being hypocritical at all. The fact is that you have seen one scenario in your personal experience. Great. Fabulous. The fact is that in the large scheme of things, the events which transpire are actually quite the opposite, so passing it off as fact (which is what is seemed you were doing by the examples and accusatory nature of your post) is rather foolish.

I'm taking it that you have only seen it a few times, lets say 1 dozen max. The point I was trying to make is that compared to tens of millions, which is what the national census is based on, your personal experiences are just that, and contribute little to the big picture.

I am simply pointing out what you, yourself said, if that 'belittles' your opinion, then so be it. I'm not being hypocritical at all. The fact is that you have seen one scenario in your personal experience. Great. Fabulous. The fact is that in the large scheme of things, the events which transpire are actually quite the opposite, so passing it off as fact (which is what is seemed you were doing by the examples and accusatory nature of your post) is rather foolish.

i still think you should move to china.

i still think you should move to china.

Nah, China has Internet access. Turkmenistan, perhaps.

Nah, China has Internet access. Turkmenistan, perhaps.

Turkmenistan would work. Wherever women are oppressed is where Arsenal should go. Then he could enforce his dogma unchecked! aleulia.

listen im not out to have a fight. i just dont like it when a man has to drive his point across to a woman. just take the trash out and open the car door and let her do the talking.

thats about it.

Heh. Heh. While I have my claws out I'd like to inform someone whom I shall not name for obvious reasons that I have never been a sit on my arse
type of a wife or mother. I've always kept busy, when not in paid work,
volunteering. And as far as women being dull when it comes to topical subjects, oh such an arachaic attitude deserves no less than a darn
good hiding......:guitar:

Oh, and I'd also like to say that I'm pretty sure Morrissey would not be at all impressed with someone with such an "un feminist" attitude.
We live in the twenty first century and if people cannot learn to get along
or to help each other they are simply contriubuting to the never ending
strife and unrest between the sexes, that frankly, in my opinion should never have been there in the first place. And I'm not even going to start about Christianity. It's just that some people interpret the Bible in a very different way to others........

I feel better now....;)

listen im not out to have a fight. i just dont like it when a man has to drive his point across to a woman. just take the trash out and open the car door and let her do the talking.

I was with ya up until that bolded bit.

"Originally Posted by Arsenal View Post
When I enter a social situation I'm usually quite polite, articulate, friendly etc. I just find that with women, they have little or nothing to add. They talk about shopping, friends, gossip and other tedious things. Try getting most of them into a discussion about politics, sports, world affairs, finances, what is in the news etc, and you will find it's like a blank slate."

Oh well, la de da, nose in the air, rounded vowels....:rolleyes:

Shit, I shouldn't be giving him so much attention, but I just read that and almost fell off my chair.....

I have to laugh.....because

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h36/mauvyclair/Imalady.jpg



I'm a lady, and we always have the last word!

I don't believe in 'soul mates' nor am I looking for any type of relationship.

Yes, I'm the most irrational person I know. I base my statements on statistics and national facts rather than 1 or 2 personal experiences. I'm terribly irrational, I need to work on it badly. I should find help online, as it's full of rational and logical people.

Thank you for the advice. :)

Are you American?

Are you American?

no, hes not.

no, hes not.

Where's he from then nugz, do yo know?

Where's he from then nugz, do yo know?

no, but he just said in another thread earlier today that he was not American.

no, but he just said in another thread earlier today that he was not American.

Well one thing for sure he has certainly made himself "slightly" unpopular with a few of the ladies on hear!

Well one thing for sure he has certainly made himself "slightly" unpopular with a few of the ladies on hear!

haha, oh yes. juuuust a tad. :cool::p

"Originally Posted by Arsenal View Post
When I enter a social situation I'm usually quite polite, articulate, friendly etc. I just find that with women, they have little or nothing to add. They talk about shopping, friends, gossip and other tedious things. Try getting most of them into a discussion about politics, sports, world affairs, finances, what is in the news etc, and you will find it's like a blank slate."

Oh well, la de da, nose in the air, rounded vowels....:rolleyes:

Shit, I shouldn't be giving him so much attention, but I just read that and almost fell off my chair.....

I have to laugh.....because

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h36/mauvyclair/Imalady.jpg



I'm a lady, and we always have the last word!

He doesn’t sound like a happy person. More then anything, he sounds like he is trying to convince himself of his views on women and relationships.

He sees it as very black and white, but without any experience with relationship of an intimate nature how can you judge others or think he knows about the complexities of adult relationships from viewing others.

Or he is Mr Spock from Star Trek.


Are you American?

No he is a miserable smiths/Morrissey fan!

No he is a miserable smiths/Morrissey fan!

Aren't we all;)

Or he is Mr Spock from Star Trek.

That's what I said when he was going on about "love." I think he needs hugs. :)

That's what I said when he was going on about "love." I think he needs hugs. :)

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f84/shadowpuppet15/spock_fascinating2.jpg

man, and all this time I thought people got married cause they were immensely fond of each other..:p

Nah, I married my hubby because he'd inherited a big flat in the poshest part of Budapest, and he married me to be able to move to Belgium and get social security there. :D I must admit that we've grown quite fond of each other since then.

1. There are no children, both partners work.

When women start earning more or the same as men, this provision in law will be equally good and bad for men and women.



2. There are no children, one partner stays home.

Whenever I hear of a couple like that, it's the man who asked the woman to stop working. For all kinds of reasons, he thinks her job is not worthy of his wife, he doesn't want other men to look at her, talk to her and go with her for a drink after work, he wants a home cooked meal on the table when he comes home from work, he doesn't want her to be tired and exhausted because he wants to have sex every day.


3. There are children, one partner works, the other stays home

When you have children, you tend to love them, and want to do what's best for them. That would be having them spend their day with at least one parent, and usually that will be the parent who makes less money - it makes financial sense. Both husband and wife arrange things that way because they agree it's best for their children.


4. There are children, both partners work.

And like you said, if they split up, the children will spend 50% of time with their mother. Like I said, parents tend to love their children, and the father wouldn't want his children to spend half of their time in a crummy one bedroom apartment without heating just because their mother can't afford anything better.

Is it normal for me to fantasize about marrying a rich sexy doctor while I act as a stay-at-home dad in our four story mini-mansion?

Is it normal for me to fantasize about marrying a rich sexy doctor while I act as a stay-at-home dad in our four story mini-mansion?


ooh Matron!

Definately. Many women seem to think that single women are out to steal their man. Please get over it. A close friend of mine has recently got herself a bloke and has already started acting like I'm going to try and steal him away. WTF? She can piss off. On the flip side I have another friend who's who has also met a guy, who is totally lovely and would never have those kind of horrible thoughts about me. Guess which one I now hang out with.

Definately. Many women seem to think that single women are out to steal their man. Please get over it. A close friend of mine has recently got herself a bloke and has already started acting like I'm going to try and steal him away. WTF? She can piss off. On the flip side I have another friend who's who has also met a guy, who is totally lovely and would never have those kind of horrible thoughts about me. Guess which one I now hang out with.

My friend's mother told her I was out to snatch her boyfriend (now her husband). :rolleyes: That's ridiculous. First of all, my standards are higher than that. :p:rolleyes:

Arsenal has indicated that he's Canadian.

Arsenal is also making the mistake of trying to cite statistics, which are millions of individual circumstances distilled down into a few numbers. There is no such thing as normal, there are averages however. A woman who cites "unhappiness" with her mate as a reason for divorce could mean anything. It could mean he's been cheating and she won't tolerate that. It could mean he's verbally or emotionally abusive. It could mean she is shallow and bored with him, true, but I suspect that's only a very tiny percentage of cases. All it really means is that she was the one who pushed the divorce forward.

Arsenal complains that the women he's met are stupid and shallow--compared to him. He knows all about politics, world events, business, and sports. But maybe he is boring and monopolizes conversations. Maybe he knows nothing about art, or music, or film, or literature, and I would find him boring and shallow.

I also noticed in his profile that he's listed his age as 24. This may or may not be true, but 24 is really quite young. It's too young to marry, anyway. So why make up your mind when you've so little experience with the matter?

Lastly, I would be interested to know whether Arsenal's parents are divorced. I would guess that they are. He doesn't seem to have any notion of marriage as it can be, as people expect it to be--a true partnership in every respect. That's what it usually is, for all the faults.

My friend's mother told her I was out to snatch her boyfriend (now her husband). :rolleyes: That's ridiculous. First of all, my standards are higher than that. :p:rolleyes:

LOL, :D
if these women think like that,then they'll end up driving the guy away becasue he'll begin to think "well they are always thinking im after others etc, so i might aswell go do it"
its tragic...

LOL, :D
if these women think like that,then they'll end up driving the guy away becasue he'll begin to think "well they are always thinking im after others etc, so i might aswell go do it"
its tragic...

I have to clarify, my friend never saw me as a threat. She told me what her mother had said about me on her hen night. We had a laugh about it.

But I understand what you're saying. Jealousy is not very attractive.

Arsenal has indicated that he's Canadian.

Arsenal is also making the mistake of trying to cite statistics, which are millions of individual circumstances distilled down into a few numbers. There is no such thing as normal, there are averages however. A woman who cites "unhappiness" with her mate as a reason for divorce could mean anything. It could mean he's been cheating and she won't tolerate that. It could mean he's verbally or emotionally abusive. It could mean she is shallow and bored with him, true, but I suspect that's only a very tiny percentage of cases. All it really means is that she was the one who pushed the divorce forward.

Arsenal complains that the women he's met are stupid and shallow--compared to him. He knows all about politics, world events, business, and sports. But maybe he is boring and monopolizes conversations. Maybe he knows nothing about art, or music, or film, or literature, and I would find him boring and shallow.

I also noticed in his profile that he's listed his age as 24. This may or may not be true, but 24 is really quite young. It's too young to marry, anyway. So why make up your mind when you've so little experience with the matter?

Lastly, I would be interested to know whether Arsenal's parents are divorced. I would guess that they are. He doesn't seem to have any notion of marriage as it can be, as people expect it to be--a true partnership in every respect. That's what it usually is, for all the faults.

good post.

definately. Many women seem to think that single women are out to steal their man. Please get over it. A close friend of mine has recently got herself a bloke and has already started acting like i'm going to try and steal him away. Wtf? She can piss off. On the flip side i have another friend who's who has also met a guy, who is totally lovely and would never have those kind of horrible thoughts about me. Guess which one i now hang out with.

me! ;)

Arsenal has indicated that he's Canadian.

What does that have to do with anything?

Arsenal is also making the mistake of trying to cite statistics, which are millions of individual circumstances distilled down into a few numbers. There is no such thing as normal, there are averages however. A woman who cites "unhappiness" with her mate as a reason for divorce could mean anything. It could mean he's been cheating and she won't tolerate that. It could mean he's verbally or emotionally abusive. It could mean she is shallow and bored with him, true, but I suspect that's only a very tiny percentage of cases. All it really means is that she was the one who pushed the divorce forward.

Actually, it doesn't mean those things. Each of those circumstances had separate category, which you could clearly mark if you were in one of those situations. The single main reason was simply unhappiness/boredom. Not abuse, verbal or physical or affairs. All those reasons were cited, but they were farther down the list.

So I am not making any mistakes, I am simply relating what the US government has found out with their nation wide statistical census. If you have a problem with it, take it up with your congressman or member of government, and not me.

Arsenal complains that the women he's met are stupid and shallow--compared to him. He knows all about politics, world events, business, and sports. But maybe he is boring and monopolizes conversations. Maybe he knows nothing about art, or music, or film, or literature, and I would find him boring and shallow.

I never complained about anything, I simply related a life experience. I also never said anyone was stupid. I said they never had anything of substance to say. I also never claimed to be an expert in anything, only that if those areas of conversation were brought up, they would draw a blank. And that also includes art, music (most of them never even knew the name of the lead singer of the band they claimed to love) or literature.

What you are doing here is taking what I said, which is quite specific, and twisting it to make it appear as if I insulted everyone who isn't a know it all, like I apparently am. Nice try, but anyone with half a brain and the ability to read the English language can see that childish tactic for what it is.

good post.

Oops. I forgot where I was for a moment.

I also noticed in his profile that he's listed his age as 24. This may or may not be true, but 24 is really quite young. It's too young to marry, anyway. So why make up your mind when you've so little experience with the matter?

Because at 24, I am able to think rationally and as I have explained before: I don't see the logic in essentially signing a business partnership with somebody who can divorce me at the drop of a hat and get paid for it.

I don't need to be middle aged to realize it's a raw deal, and judging by the fact the marriage rate in North America is at an all time low, I'm not the only one.

Lastly, I would be interested to know whether Arsenal's parents are divorced. I would guess that they are. He doesn't seem to have any notion of marriage as it can be, as people expect it to be--a true partnership in every respect. That's what it usually is, for all the faults.

Like 50% of the population they were divorced, yes. It's not uncommon at all. My grandparents were married for over 50 years, but then again, most people's grandparents are. Why? Because it was a different era, with different rules. Now half of all marriages fail, and the game has changed. What happens when the rules change and it's unfair to one side? People stop playing the game, and they have.


When women start earning more or the same as men, this provision in law will be equally good and bad for men and women.

So because women don't work as hard, study as hard and market themselves as well as men do, thus earning less, they are entitled to a share of the pay of someone who simply works harder?

And before you mention the wage gap, I may remind you that it has been debunked time and time again. I suggest you check out "Why Men Earn More: The Startling Truth Behind the Pay Gap -- and What Women Can Do About It" by Doctor Warren Farrell. It's one of many books and studies that shows why the wage gap is a serious misconception.



Whenever I hear of a couple like that, it's the man who asked the woman to stop working. For all kinds of reasons, he thinks her job is not worthy of his wife, he doesn't want other men to look at her, talk to her and go with her for a drink after work, he wants a home cooked meal on the table when he comes home from work, he doesn't want her to be tired and exhausted because he wants to have sex every day.

Just because you heard of it doesn't make it generally true. The reason itself is unimportant, it's the result that I care about. Let's say you are correct, and he asks her to stop working. She has every right to say "No, I want to make money and further my career." Nobody put a gun to her head and made her do anything. This person made a decision to live a certain lifestyle, and just because an adult made an adult decision, they deserve money for it?



When you have children, you tend to love them, and want to do what's best for them. That would be having them spend their day with at least one parent, and usually that will be the parent who makes less money - it makes financial sense. Both husband and wife arrange things that way because they agree it's best for their children.

Sure, it's best for the kids, and the parent who chose to stay home made that choice. Again, I don't see how an adult making a lifestyle choice, which in this case is to be a stay at home parent, deserves compensation for it.


And like you said, if they split up, the children will spend 50% of time with their mother. Like I said, parents tend to love their children, and the father wouldn't want his children to spend half of their time in a crummy one bedroom apartment without heating just because their mother can't afford anything better.

Then perhaps he should get custody of the children if she is un-equipped to provide a suitable living space for them?


He doesn’t sound like a happy person. More then anything, he sounds like he is trying to convince himself of his views on women and relationships.

He sees it as very black and white, but without any experience with relationship of an intimate nature how can you judge others or think he knows about the complexities of adult relationships from viewing others.

Or he is Mr Spock from Star Trek.

I don't understand how one can sound unhappy from internet posts, but I'm sure you are equipped to tell! And again, I don't have to convince myself of anything, as I've been convinced by this since I was a young lad. I've known all this since I was barely a teen, and had this mindset ever since.

I see a problem. I recognize that becoming involved in this ritual of marriage of relationships, statistically, mostly leads to you losing something, and I avoid it. It's that simple. But I suppose because I think of things differently that I must A: Hate someone/something or B: Be horribly miserable. It couldn't possibly be C: I'm perfectly content and it's just that this lifestyle suites me well. God no. I might actually have a point if that were the case. :O

So because women don't work as hard, study as hard and market themselves as well as men do, thus earning less, they are entitled to a share of the pay of someone who simply works harder?

And before you mention the wage gap, I may remind you that it has been debunked time and time again. I suggest you check out "Why Men Earn More: The Startling Truth Behind the Pay Gap -- and What Women Can Do About It" by Doctor Warren Farrell. It's one of many books and studies that shows why the wage gap is a serious misconception.

It sounds very interesting, I'd love to read it. Thanks for recommendation.



Just because you heard of it doesn't make it generally true. The reason itself is unimportant, it's the result that I care about. Let's say you are correct, and he asks her to stop working. She has every right to say "No, I want to make money and further my career." Nobody put a gun to her head and made her do anything. This person made a decision to live a certain lifestyle, and just because an adult made an adult decision, they deserve money for it?

No, they deserve money because they as a couple made an agreement. She has every right to say no, and he has every right to say no to her staying at home. It's obvious that staying at home would have serious impact on her employability in the future in case they split; if her husband willingly benefits from it while they're married at her expense once they're divorced, then he will have to compensate to her.


Sure, it's best for the kids, and the parent who chose to stay home made that choice. Again, I don't see how an adult making a lifestyle choice, which in this case is to be a stay at home parent, deserves compensation for it.

They both made the choice. It's obvious that staying at home would have serious impact on her employability in the future in case they split; if her husband agrees that their child should benefit from it while they're married at her expense once they're divorced, then he will have to compensate to her. Because it's not just her child - she took that risk because she loves the child too, of course, but the cost of parenting should be split equally.


Then perhaps he should get custody of the children if she is un-equipped to provide a suitable living space for them?

Wrong; that's not best for the children, and courts are obliged to make decisions in the best interest of the child.

What does that have to do with anything?



Actually, it doesn't mean those things. Each of those circumstances had separate category, which you could clearly mark if you were in one of those situations. The single main reason was simply unhappiness/boredom. Not abuse, verbal or physical or affairs. All those reasons were cited, but they were farther down the list.

So I am not making any mistakes, I am simply relating what the US government has found out with their nation wide statistical census. If you have a problem with it, take it up with your congressman or member of government, and not me.



I never complained about anything, I simply related a life experience. I also never said anyone was stupid. I said they never had anything of substance to say. I also never claimed to be an expert in anything, only that if those areas of conversation were brought up, they would draw a blank. And that also includes art, music (most of them never even knew the name of the lead singer of the band they claimed to love) or literature.

What you are doing here is taking what I said, which is quite specific, and twisting it to make it appear as if I insulted everyone who isn't a know it all, like I apparently am. Nice try, but anyone with half a brain and the ability to read the English language can see that childish tactic for what it is.



Oops. I forgot where I was for a moment.



Because at 24, I am able to think rationally and as I have explained before: I don't see the logic in essentially signing a business partnership with somebody who can divorce me at the drop of a hat and get paid for it.

I don't need to be middle aged to realize it's a raw deal, and judging by the fact the marriage rate in North America is at an all time low, I'm not the only one.



Like 50% of the population they were divorced, yes. It's not uncommon at all. My grandparents were married for over 50 years, but then again, most people's grandparents are. Why? Because it was a different era, with different rules. Now half of all marriages fail, and the game has changed. What happens when the rules change and it's unfair to one side? People stop playing the game, and they have.




So because women don't work as hard, study as hard and market themselves as well as men do, thus earning less, they are entitled to a share of the pay of someone who simply works harder?

And before you mention the wage gap, I may remind you that it has been debunked time and time again. I suggest you check out "Why Men Earn More: The Startling Truth Behind the Pay Gap -- and What Women Can Do About It" by Doctor Warren Farrell. It's one of many books and studies that shows why the wage gap is a serious misconception.





Just because you heard of it doesn't make it generally true. The reason itself is unimportant, it's the result that I care about. Let's say you are correct, and he asks her to stop working. She has every right to say "No, I want to make money and further my career." Nobody put a gun to her head and made her do anything. This person made a decision to live a certain lifestyle, and just because an adult made an adult decision, they deserve money for it?





Sure, it's best for the kids, and the parent who chose to stay home made that choice. Again, I don't see how an adult making a lifestyle choice, which in this case is to be a stay at home parent, deserves compensation for it.




Then perhaps he should get custody of the children if she is un-equipped to provide a suitable living space for them?




I don't understand how one can sound unhappy from internet posts, but I'm sure you are equipped to tell! And again, I don't have to convince myself of anything, as I've been convinced by this since I was a young lad. I've known all this since I was barely a teen, and had this mindset ever since.

I see a problem. I recognize that becoming involved in this ritual of marriage of relationships, statistically, mostly leads to you losing something, and I avoid it. It's that simple. But I suppose because I think of things differently that I must A: Hate someone/something or B: Be horribly miserable. It couldn't possibly be C: I'm perfectly content and it's just that this lifestyle suites me well. God no. I might actually have a point if that were the case. :O

You took a long time with that, didn't you?

The only point i see is that you are constantly going on about it and you have no real life experience, you are just sat behind a keyboard prattling on to people, about what you think is right and how you judge about something you know nothing of.

so 'Spock' what was it like when you first kissed Lelia?

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k238/morrisseysolo/STThisSidePara.jpg

Indeed, Cornelius
Arsenal is going to a great deal of trouble to inform the women who have posted here how he knows better than they do what the motives and life experience of women are, because he read it in a report/book.

Arsenal appears to need to believe that women are only interested in money and that hardworking men are victims of a biased system. Although he states it's about his personal experience, the way he uses "FACTS" to attempt to refute any contradiction strongly implies he believes it to be a general truth. Instead of looking at the larger picture he appears to have selected only the "FACTS" which agree with his opinion and to discard any other as biased.

Personally
If I met a person socially who talked about their opinions/interests at such length and as inflexibly I think I'd glaze over and appear disinterested (sorry "uninteresting") too.

You took a long time with that, didn't you?

Not really. It only took a few minutes.

The only point i see is that you are constantly going on about it and you have no real life experience, you are just sat behind a keyboard prattling on to people, about what you think is right and how you judge about something you know nothing of.

Yes. Going into the world day after day, to school, work, out in public, interacting with others, hearing stories, life experiences, reading about things, hearing about things, experiencing them first hand, that is not a life experience at all, and facts collected by the government hold no weight and do not allow a person to draw a reasonable conclusion at all.

I can't believe how far off I was. You have set me straight. Thank you.



Indeed, Cornelius
Arsenal is going to a great deal of trouble to inform the women who have posted here how he knows better than they do what the motives and life experience of women are, because he read it in a report/book.

See above. And I am not attempting to inform only women, I am just laying the facts out as part of this discussion.


Arsenal appears to need to believe that women are only interested in money and that hardworking men are victims of a biased system. Although he states it's about his personal experience, the way he uses "FACTS" to attempt to refute any contradiction strongly implies he believes it to be a general truth. Instead of looking at the larger picture he appears to have selected only the "FACTS" which agree with his opinion and to discard any other as biased.

Incorrect. I never said women are only interested in money. Please show me exactly where I said that. I'd like to see it. What I did say is that should the marriage fail, which is does half the time, that 9/10 she will benefit financially from it, so what is the point of signing a legal contract with someone if you are a man? Do you need a business contract to care for someone?

I've yet to receive a rational response, just personal attacks and people twisting what I said.


Personally
If I met a person socially who talked about their opinions/interests at such length and as inflexibly I think I'd glaze over and appear disinterested (sorry "uninteresting") too.

You are taking my responses as part of a discussion/debate online and assuming that is the way I would socialize in real life. It is not. This is a faulty assumption. Again, I simply said I have little in common with most women, and they seem to be unable to hold a dialog.

I never said "ALL" or made any generalization. People like you did that all on your own and put those words in my mouth. It says a lot about the mentality of someone who would do that.

Not really. It only took a few minutes.



Yes. Going into the world day after day, to school, work, out in public, interacting with others, hearing stories, life experiences, reading about things, hearing about things, experiencing them first hand, that is not a life experience at all, and facts collected by the government hold no weight and do not allow a person to draw a reasonable conclusion at all.

I can't believe how far off I was. You have set me straight. Thank you.





See above. And I am not attempting to inform only women, I am just laying the facts out as part of this discussion.




Incorrect. I never said women are only interested in money. Please show me exactly where I said that. I'd like to see it. What I did say is that should the marriage fail, which is does half the time, that 9/10 she will benefit financially from it, so what is the point of signing a legal contract with someone if you are a man? Do you need a business contract to care for someone?

I've yet to receive a rational response, just personal attacks and people twisting what I said.




You are taking my responses as part of a discussion/debate online and assuming that is the way I would socialize in real life. It is not. This is a faulty assumption. Again, I simply said I have little in common with most women, and they seem to be unable to hold a dialog.

I never said "ALL" or made any generalization. People like you did that all on your own and put those words in my mouth. It says a lot about the mentality of someone who would do that.

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj66/Cassiopeiared/spock.jpg

Hells bells! A thread I started is still going?! It should have been buried in the pit of obscurity by now, all my efforts here are. :D

So I take it you can't back up anything you said, such as where you misquoted me and misrepresented my stance on this subject?

Your response pretty much sums that question up. Thanks for playing.

I've yet to receive a rational response, just personal attacks and people twisting what I said.

What?! I'm the episiotomy of rationality! :D :D :D

So I take it you can't back up anything you said, such as where you misquoted me and misrepresented my stance on this subject?

Your response pretty much sums that question up. Thanks for playing.

not really....i think that the majority of people here think your a bit of a joke.

not really....i think that the majority of people here think your a bit of a joke.

So you misquote me, misrepresent my stance on this subject and then post a silly photo, provide nothing to back up your claim and just justify it with a personal attack to nullify the burden of proof you have yet to meet?

I see the mentality and general intelligence level I'm dealing with here. There is little point in discussing something when the people around you all act like children.

You might as well just say I called you a bad name and I'm a poopy-head. It would probably be more mature than what you are doing now.:rolleyes:

okay,let me be the voice of reason here,i used photobucket and searched for this:"what women think about"
and it gave me this...

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z180/IrishSkye/My%20True%20Loves/somethingaboutthoseeyes.jpg

andhere i thought they just thought about shopping .:p

So you misquote me, misrepresent my stance on this subject and then post a silly photo, provide nothing to back up your claim and just justify it with a personal attack to nullify the burden of proof you have yet to meet?

I see the mentality and general intelligence level I'm dealing with here. There is little point in discussing something when the people around you all act like children.

You might as well just say I called you a bad name and I'm a poopy-head. It would probably be more mature than what you are doing now.:rolleyes:

You take it all a bit too seriously don't you. You should get out more, make friends and you know get a 'girlfriend'.

okay,let me be the voice of reason here,i used photobucket and searched for this:"what women think about"
and it gave me this...

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z180/IrishSkye/My%20True%20Loves/somethingaboutthoseeyes.jpg

andhere i thought they just thought about shopping .:p

and shoes and chocolate.

okay,let me be the voice of reason here,i used photobucket and searched for this:"what women think about"
and it gave me this...

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z180/IrishSkye/My%20True%20Loves/somethingaboutthoseeyes.jpg

andhere i thought they just thought about shopping .:p


Yay!!!!!!
*dashes to Johnny Depp frink thread* :)

Yay!!!!!!
*dashes to Johnny Depp frink thread* :)

How about dashing to the fao kewpie thread again? Please try & write rather than just read?

love

Grim
P.s. I was accused of bullying btw, so if the cap fits!

You take it all a bit too seriously don't you. You should get out more, make friends and you know get a 'girlfriend'.



and shoes and chocolate.

haha yes, okay,chocolate,shopping,shoes and Mr. Depp :p

Yay!!!!!!
*dashes to Johnny Depp frink thread* :)

the theory is proven to be correct.:p

You take it all a bit too seriously don't you. You should get out more, make friends and you know get a 'girlfriend'.

It's the internet, so I don't really take it 'seriously'. The fact is that for a rational discussion to take place, people must adhere to certain guidelines and common courtesy, like refraining from personal attacks, name calling, backing up what they say by citing a source or a quote etc, and then the conversation can run along smoothly.

When you have people misquoting you, saying you said something you didn't say and then refusing to back it up with a quote followed by general name calling and insults, the discussion then becomes pointless, as it is apparent those involved in that behaviour do not possess the mental ability to enter into any sort of civil discussion or debate, and that is what we have here.

It's the internet, so I don't really take it 'seriously'. The fact is that for a rational discussion to take place, people must adhere to certain guidelines and common courtesy, like refraining from personal attacks, name calling, backing up what they say by citing a source or a quote etc, and then the conversation can run along smoothly.

When you have people misquoting you, saying you said something you didn't say and then refusing to back it up with a quote followed by general name calling and insults, the discussion then becomes pointless, as it is apparent those involved in that behaviour do not possess the mental ability to enter into any sort of civil discussion or debate, and that is what we have here.

so does that mean, your not going to get a girlfriend?

so does that mean, your not going to get a girlfriend?

Does that mean you aren't going to back up your earlier claims? Wait, you already answered that with your previous posts. :rolleyes:

Anyhow, I think to continue at this point is rather useless. The replies are getting more and more foolish, and it's obvious that people like yourself and those who choose to hurl insults and misinformation rather than post something constructive have no intention of doing anything but that, so I see no reason to go any further with this.

Does that mean you aren't going to back up your earlier claims? Wait, you already answered that with your previous posts. :rolleyes:

Anyhow, I think to continue at this point is rather useless. The replies are getting more and more foolish, and it's obvious that people like yourself and those who choose to hurl insults and misinformation rather than post something constructive have no intention of doing anything but that, so I see no reason to go any further with this.


you know you should, get like a bird mate....have nice times together, picnics, go to the cinema, walks in the rain....romance its top! :)

you know you should, get like a bird mate....have nice times together, picnics, go to the cinema, walks in the rain....romance its top! :)


uh, theres a reason he dont got a bird.

I dont get the Johnny Depp thing! I feel so left out!
-I think he looks like a dirty hobo :rolleyes:

It sounds very interesting, I'd love to read it. Thanks for recommendation.


Maybe you'll find it useful to know that Farrell is one the founders of the masculist movement.

A favorite quote:

"I don't think there's anything that is a greater area of discrimination against women today than the fact that nowhere in the world is there a female role model in team sports that more than half of a general audience would recognize."

Try to remember that the next time you walk alone on the street at night.


(Freeing men from sex roles is truly a wonderful goal. I believe it will do good for us all- men, women and everyone beyond and between. However, every time I read about masculist politics and actions I get this wired urge to go and bang my head against the wall.)

(and yes I'm sick of it all :))

Maybe you'll find it useful to know that Farrell is one the founders of the masculist movement.

Dr. Farrell was also a member of the National Organization for Women, and wrote this book after seeing the inequality and lies first hand. He finally figured out something was not right and started researching it, and discovered most of what he and the others had been preaching all along was completely false.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Farrell

With the publication of The Myth of Male Power, Farrell became one of the first masculists. The term is difficult to precisely define, but in his case masculism is a form of celebrating men as no less than women, and rejecting any sexism displayed against men by women. Since the early 1970s, he has been a champion of feminism, serving on the board of the New York chapter of the National Organization for Women (NOW).

Dr. Farrell was also a member of the National Organization for Women, and wrote this book after seeing the inequality and lies first hand. He finally figured out something was not right and started researching it, and discovered most of what he and the others had been preaching all along was completely false.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Farrell

Did you read the quote that I brought? Do you realise his words have nothing to do with real life? It was just one example out of many.