New Tracks/Album - Questions

[mozzer8633@mac.com]

Helloooooo
I've been out of "The Loop" and just downloaded a live group of songs featuring Mozs new songs and had some questions:
1. Whose written these songs? (Paris, Grow Up, AYNIM, Mama, Skull, Farewell) is it Jessie and Boz or is Alain still helping with songwriting? I hope so.
2. Is Alain expected to help write on the new album and will he help int he studio as well?
3. Any thoughts on Jessies writing compared to Alains? I personally like Alain as I feel he layers the songs a little more. I am not a musician but what I mean is Alains songs seem a little more complex and he blends lots of different elements where as IMO Jessie just writes straight forward Rock songs. I could be wrong, any thoughts?
4. When is the album due and where is it being recorded? has it been recorded? Will Mikey help in studio?
5. This would be the least amount of time between studio albums wouldnt it? Doe sthat mean anything. Is Moz back at it or is he trying to get it all out there so he can retire?
6. Mozs lyrics have become a little more straigh forward IMO. They are still excellent and deep but there arent as many deep lyrics that you really have to study and think about before you know what hes saying. Why the change? Anyone agree or disagree?

Sorry, lots of random questions but I know theres some of you out there who follow this day to day and any info would help. Thank you

[nowherefast944]

Helloooooo
I've been out of "The Loop" and just downloaded a live group of songs featuring Mozs new songs and had some questions:
1. Whose written these songs? (Paris, Grow Up, AYNIM, Mama, Skull, Farewell) is it Jessie and Boz or is Alain still helping with songwriting? I hope so.
2. Is Alain expected to help write on the new album and will he help int he studio as well?
3. Any thoughts on Jessies writing compared to Alains? I personally like Alain as I feel he layers the songs a little more. I am not a musician but what I mean is Alains songs seem a little more complex and he blends lots of different elements where as IMO Jessie just writes straight forward Rock songs. I could be wrong, any thoughts?
4. When is the album due and where is it being recorded? has it been recorded? Will Mikey help in studio?
5. This would be the least amount of time between studio albums wouldnt it? Doe sthat mean anything. Is Moz back at it or is he trying to get it all out there so he can retire?
6. Mozs lyrics have become a little more straigh forward IMO. They are still excellent and deep but there arent as many deep lyrics that you really have to study and think about before you know what hes saying. Why the change? Anyone agree or disagree?

Sorry, lots of random questions but I know theres some of you out there who follow this day to day and any info would help. Thank you

1. - it's a mix.
2. - yes
3. - jesse sucks
4. - due in the fall. see the main page?!
5. - he'll never retire. we won't let him. i hope
6. - he's already proven himself time and again to be a lyrical genius. maybe he's writing what he wants to write about now?

[Maurice E]

Helloooooo
I've been out of "The Loop" and just downloaded a live group of songs featuring Mozs new songs and had some questions:
1. Whose written these songs? (Paris, Grow Up, AYNIM, Mama, Skull, Farewell) is it Jessie and Boz or is Alain still helping with songwriting? I hope so.
2. Is Alain expected to help write on the new album and will he help int he studio as well?
3. Any thoughts on Jessies writing compared to Alains? I personally like Alain as I feel he layers the songs a little more. I am not a musician but what I mean is Alains songs seem a little more complex and he blends lots of different elements where as IMO Jessie just writes straight forward Rock songs. I could be wrong, any thoughts?
4. When is the album due and where is it being recorded? has it been recorded? Will Mikey help in studio?
5. This would be the least amount of time between studio albums wouldnt it? Doe sthat mean anything. Is Moz back at it or is he trying to get it all out there so he can retire?
6. Mozs lyrics have become a little more straigh forward IMO. They are still excellent and deep but there arent as many deep lyrics that you really have to study and think about before you know what hes saying. Why the change? Anyone agree or disagree?

Sorry, lots of random questions but I know theres some of you out there who follow this day to day and any info would help. Thank you

a few responses...
-album due in October; 2 and a half years since ROTT so nowhere near the closest amount of time between albums
-Jesse wrote All You Need; this song has had the best reception of the 6 post ROTT compositions. Boz wrote Paris, Grow Up and Goodbye. Alain wrote Squeezing and Mama.
Alain's also written another 10 new songs (whose titles are known)
-I (and many others) agree. Moz lyrics these days are lacking in the humour, richness, poetry, subtly of old. reckon he needs to reidcover some kind of lyrical inspiration and stop coasting on Moz lyric autopilot. on a positive note, I reckon he can do it! (new song titles sound much more intriguing than the ROTT ones)...

[mozzer8633@mac.com]

1. - it's a mix.
2. - yes
3. - jesse sucks
4. - due in the fall. see the main page?!
5. - he'll never retire. we won't let him. i hope
6. - he's already proven himself time and again to be a lyrical genius. maybe he's writing what he wants to write about now?

1. Good, I hope he never completely turns it over to Jessie. Boz and Alain have written some of his best songs.
2. Great. I know its blasphemy but I think Alain is the best songwriter Morrissey has ever worked with, even better then Marr, sorry, nut thats just an opinion.
3. I wont go as far as saying he sucks, hes a great player, like Andy and Mike, but his songwriting is elementary. I'm not a songwriter, so yes, hes more talented than me and I respect him for it, but hes no Alain, Johnny, or Boz. I do love "In the Future ....". But they need Alain in the studio. I think my favorite line up of all time is the kill Uncle line up. I wish they would all get back together.
4. I dont read the main page and trust you posters for my news. i got tired of reading the main page for news and insteasd getting articles like "Morrissey referenced by actor Bill Johnson", "Instrumental from Smiths song used as backdrop during news cast", "Shoes similar to Boz Boorers seen in Rack Room newspaper ad". So my apologies, I dont read the main page.
5. I pray every night that my kids are healthy, I live a long healthy life, my folks stay around another 20-30 yrs, and that Morrissey never retires. I just always think of his song "Get Off the Stage" about the Stones aging and I wonder if he'll ever decide its time to stop.
6. He could chant the word "pudding" over and over and find away to make it inspirational and creative so I am not knocking his lyrics but on some of his newer stuff I have just notcied a mroe elementary approach to getting his point across where as with the Smiths, and his early solo career I was left thinking for days, months, if not years, about what a certain song meant. I noticed this change on Quarry. Again, I'm not knocking it as Quarry and Ringleader are constantly playing on my melting ipod.

[mozzer8633@mac.com]

a few responses...
-album due in October; 2 and a half years since ROTT so nowhere near the closest amount of time between albums
-Jesse wrote All You Need; this song has had the best reception of the 6 post ROTT compositions. Boz wrote Paris, Grow Up and Goodbye. Alain wrote Squeezing and Mama.
Alain's also written another 10 new songs (whose titles are known)
-I (and many others) agree. Moz lyrics these days are lacking in the humour, richness, poetry, subtly of old. reckon he needs to reidcover some kind of lyrical inspiration and stop coasting on Moz lyric autopilot. on a positive note, I reckon he can do it! (new song titles sound much more intriguing than the ROTT ones)...

So happy to know Alain is still writing. Is it still just his health preventing him from touring with Moz. Again, nothing against Jessie, but Alains boots are hard for anyone to fill. I know Alain had his own thing with Red Lightning but why doesnt he write for others, or have a more popular side project, hes a genius. And very cool to see Boz writing more again. Jack the Ripper was brilliant and one of Mozs best songs, ROTT missed a good Moz/Boz collaberation.

[viva_M]

-I (and many others) agree. Moz lyrics these days are lacking in the humour, richness, poetry, subtly of old. reckon he needs to reidcover some kind of lyrical inspiration and stop coasting on Moz lyric autopilot. on a positive note, I reckon he can do it! (new song titles sound much more intriguing than the ROTT ones)...

Agreed. The new song titles sound fresh.

[bysshe]

6. He could chant the word "pudding" over and over and find away to make it inspirational and creative so I am not knocking his lyrics but on some of his newer stuff I have just notcied a mroe elementary approach to getting his point across where as with the Smiths, and his early solo career I was left thinking for days, months, if not years, about what a certain song meant. I noticed this change on Quarry. Again, I'm not knocking it as Quarry and Ringleader are constantly playing on my melting ipod.

I think I love you. :D

[chrisarclark]

is there anywhere online that can list Morrissey's songs with details on when they were written and/or recorded? a detailed list of official recording sessions?

[I Drink Your Milkshake!]

Helloooooo
I've been out of "The Loop" and just downloaded a live group of songs featuring Mozs new songs and had some questions:
1. Whose written these songs? (Paris, Grow Up, AYNIM, Mama, Skull, Farewell) is it Jessie and Boz or is Alain still helping with songwriting? I hope so.
2. Is Alain expected to help write on the new album and will he help int he studio as well?
3. Any thoughts on Jessies writing compared to Alains? I personally like Alain as I feel he layers the songs a little more. I am not a musician but what I mean is Alains songs seem a little more complex and he blends lots of different elements where as IMO Jessie just writes straight forward Rock songs. I could be wrong, any thoughts?
4. When is the album due and where is it being recorded? has it been recorded? Will Mikey help in studio?
5. This would be the least amount of time between studio albums wouldnt it? Doe sthat mean anything. Is Moz back at it or is he trying to get it all out there so he can retire?
6. Mozs lyrics have become a little more straigh forward IMO. They are still excellent and deep but there arent as many deep lyrics that you really have to study and think about before you know what hes saying. Why the change? Anyone agree or disagree?

Sorry, lots of random questions but I know theres some of you out there who follow this day to day and any info would help. Thank you


I'll try to answer you with a little more depth than the other comments.

1. Here is a full list of every new song and who they were written by:

All You Need Is Me (Jesse Tobias)
That's How People Grow Up (Boz Boorer)
I'm Throwing My Arms Around Paris (Boz Boorer)
One Day Goodbye Will Be Farewell (Boz Boorer)
Something Is Squeezing My Skull (Alain Whyte)
Mama Lay Softly On The Riverbed (Alain Whyte)
It's Not Your Birthday Anymore (Alain Whyte)
When I Was Young (Alain Whyte)
When Last I Spoke To Carol (Alain Whyte)
Action Man (Alain Whyte)
Teresa, Teresa (Alain Whyte)
You Were Good In Your Time (Alain Whyte)
My Dearest Love (Alain Whyte)
Because Of My Poor Education (Alain Whyte)
I'm Looking Forward To Going Back (Alain Whyte)
I Was Bully, Do Not Forget Me (Alain Whyte)

2. Alain wrote MOST of the album and was working with Jerry Finn before Morrissey went into the studio to record the album. It can be assumed that Alain will play guitar on the songs he wrote.

3. Jesse Tobias is a horrible writer and horrible guitar player. Alain is not only a better writer but a better live performer seeing as he plays the songs his own way instead of just trying to mock Johnny Marr (on Smiths songs) and mimicking the song exactly as the studio recording sounds. Jesse Tobias is a waste of space.

4. The new album is due out in Autumn...that is all that has really been confirmed about the date. It is doubtful that Mikey Farrell will be involved with the album seeing as he seems to no longer be touring with the band and Morrissey has recruited Roger Manning to play the keyboards for the new record (as he did with 'You Are The Quarry')...

5. Actually, the span between 'Kill Uncle' and 'Your Arsenal' is only one year...the same goes for 'Vauxhall And I' and 'Southpaw Grammar'. The span between 'Ringleader of the Tormentors' and the new album will be roughly two years apart.

6. Morrissey admitted that in an interview last year that he writes differently now than he used. According to him, the songs now 'pour out of him' instead of him sitting around and putting them under a magnifying glass. Some may argue that also that he has either A) lost the touch or B) is simply trying to make pop songs with mass appeal for chart rankings...


And you're welcome...

[mozzer8633@mac.com]

I'll try to answer you with a little more depth than the other comments.

1. Here is a full list of every new song and who they were written by:

All You Need Is Me (Jesse Tobias)
That's How People Grow Up (Boz Boorer)
I'm Throwing My Arms Around Paris (Boz Boorer)
One Day Goodbye Will Be Farewell (Boz Boorer)
Something Is Squeezing My Skull (Alain Whyte)
Mama Lay Softly On The Riverbed (Alain Whyte)
It's Not Your Birthday Anymore (Alain Whyte)
When I Was Young (Alain Whyte)
When Last I Spoke To Carol (Alain Whyte)
Action Man (Alain Whyte)
Teresa, Teresa (Alain Whyte)
You Were Good In Your Time (Alain Whyte)
My Dearest Love (Alain Whyte)
Because Of My Poor Education (Alain Whyte)
I'm Looking Forward To Going Back (Alain Whyte)
I Was Bully, Do Not Forget Me (Alain Whyte)

2. Alain wrote MOST of the album and was working with Jerry Finn before Morrissey went into the studio to record the album. It can be assumed that Alain will play guitar on the songs he wrote.

3. Jesse Tobias is a horrible writer and horrible guitar player. Alain is not only a better writer but a better live performer seeing as he plays the songs his own way instead of just trying to mock Johnny Marr (on Smiths songs) and mimicking the song exactly as the studio recording sounds. Jesse Tobias is a waste of space.

4. The new album is due out in Autumn...that is all that has really been confirmed about the date. It is doubtful that Mikey Farrell will be involved with the album seeing as he seems to no longer be touring with the band and Morrissey has recruited Roger Manning to play the keyboards for the new record (as he did with 'You Are The Quarry')...

5. Actually, the span between 'Kill Uncle' and 'Your Arsenal' is only one year...the same goes for 'Vauxhall And I' and 'Southpaw Grammar'. The span between 'Ringleader of the Tormentors' and the new album will be roughly two years apart.

6. Morrissey admitted that in an interview last year that he writes differently now than he used. According to him, the songs now 'pour out of him' instead of him sitting around and putting them under a magnifying glass. Some may argue that also that he has either A) lost the touch or B) is simply trying to make pop songs with mass appeal for chart rankings...


And you're welcome...
Well now. Thank you. That surely answers my questions. I appreciate your time. I guess I never really listened or paid much attention to Jessie. I didnt think he was that bad but I never dug him from the beginning because of the whole Alanis Morrisette connection. I know some of the other musicians have their own connections, but alanis Morrisette??? Yuck! I do miss Alain live. Is it still his health keeping him from touring? And where is Gary! I wish the Kill Uncle band would come together and do an album.

[mozzer8633@mac.com]

I think I love you. :D

well, my wife is being a beeeeootch today so I think I love you too. You wont treat me like poo will u?

[MadameChaos]

As people mature they change and therefore so does their writing style. This is impossible to avoid and not necessarily a bad thing. Perhaps he also doesn't feel the need to endlessly rewrite his songs, prefering instead to be more spontaneous.

[Jamie]

Is it still his health keeping him from touring? And where is Gary! I wish the Kill Uncle band would come together and do an album.

No one seems to have a clear answer on why he isn't touring, possibly including Alain himself. Something was clearly at issue, health-wise, in 2004, but, even by September, Boz was writing in his tour diary (on the bozboorer.com website) that he had seen Alain, he was doing better, and playing a lot (presumably to participate in the US tour that fall). Once Red Lightning briefly took off throughout 2005, it was assumed Alain was concentrating his energies on them and, until the RotT sessions were announced, it was unknown if he was going to work with Morrissey himself again or not.

In torr's interview with Alain during Red Lightning's brief tour in November 2005 (http://torr.typepad.com/weblog/2005/12/alain_whyte_qa.html), this question and response were exchanged:

With the arrival of Jesse Tobias, will you still be in Moz's touring band for '06?
I do not know if I will be asked.

Since then, it's always been a source of speculation but Alain has never outright stated in a public forum that he no longer wishes to perform live/tour with Morrissey as so many have assumed. I believe it is probably Morrissey and/or his management's decision. Alain was spotted at a number of the southern California shows, including at least one of the Hollywood Bowl shows in 2007. And it speaks for itself that he is obviously a gigantic component of the next album. Whatever the touring situation, he is--and probably will remain--Morrissey's "go-to" songwriting partner.

As for Gary, it was initially believed that he wanted more time with his family since he was having a second child circa the late 2006 dates. However, there is again an ambiguity as to whether he was asked to tour again or not. We'll probably never get the straight dope on these situations, but, fair enough, they're private matters.

That said, interestingly enough, Boz's website no longer has content in the 2004 tour diary archive, thus removing the few tidbits about Alain that were heard between June 2004 and April 2005. Conspiracy theorists of the world, unite and flake out.

Cheers,
Jamie

[mozzer8633@mac.com]

No one seems to have a clear answer on why he isn't touring, possibly including Alain himself. Something was clearly at issue, health-wise, in 2004, but, even by September, Boz was writing in his tour diary (on the bozboorer.com website) that he had seen Alain, he was doing better, and playing a lot (presumably to participate in the US tour that fall). Once Red Lightning briefly took off throughout 2005, it was assumed Alain was concentrating his energies on them and, until the RotT sessions were announced, it was unknown if he was going to work with Morrissey himself again or not.

In torr's interview with Alain during Red Lightning's brief tour in November 2005 (http://torr.typepad.com/weblog/2005/12/alain_whyte_qa.html), this question and response were exchanged:

With the arrival of Jesse Tobias, will you still be in Moz's touring band for '06?
I do not know if I will be asked.

Since then, it's always been a source of speculation but Alain has never outright stated in a public forum that he no longer wishes to perform live/tour with Morrissey as so many have assumed. I believe it is probably Morrissey and/or his management's decision. Alain was spotted at a number of the southern California shows, including at least one of the Hollywood Bowl shows in 2007. And it speaks for itself that he is obviously a gigantic component of the next album. Whatever the touring situation, he is--and probably will remain--Morrissey's "go-to" songwriting partner.

As for Gary, it was initially believed that he wanted more time with his family since he was having a second child circa the late 2006 dates. However, there is again an ambiguity as to whether he was asked to tour again or not. We'll probably never get the straight dope on these situations, but, fair enough, they're private matters.

That said, interestingly enough, Boz's website no longer has content in the 2004 tour diary archive, thus removing the few tidbits about Alain that were heard between June 2004 and April 2005. Conspiracy theorists of the world, unite and flake out.

Cheers,
Jamie
Thank you. You would assume since Morrissey still has Alain writing for him that there is no musical rif between the 2 and why would Alain show up at shows or even be asked to write if there was a personal rif. If Alain is playing live at all anywhere, with anyone, you one would think he was in good health so with all of that said its puzzling that Alain does not tour with him. He is clearly better than Jessie. Regardless of what Alain says, he probably has chosen himself not to tour for some other reason, maybe its just tiring and hes been doing it for 17 years now. That could wear on you. And financially I would guess he is secure and makes more on songwriting than he does touring. I saw Moz in Jacksonville last year and it was spectacular but the show was missing Alains guitar work and stage presence. Perhaps Alain was becoming to liked by the fans and Moz saw him stealing some of the limelight?? Who knows, but atleast he is writing, and I hope to see him tour again someday. Nothing against Jessie, but Morrissey live without Alain just isnt the same. As for Gary, he is a great bassist and again, Morrissey live just doesnt seem the same without him. Remember the Kill Uncle tour, and the stand up bass? Gary was fantastic. I would love to see him atleast in the studio. It doesnt have anything to do with drugs again does it? I hope not. He too is probably just tired. And hes made his money and maybe just wants to concentrate on his side project. Why dont these guys side projects ever take off? Red Lightning, Gazmen? You would think with Morrisseys connections, and the fame they have claimed by the association with him that they would be able to get their own projects off the ground and into the record stores.

[bysshe]

well, my wife is being a beeeeootch today so I think I love you too. You wont treat me like poo will u?

I try to never treat anyone like poo.

*hugs*

[Maurice E]

Morrissey's band has probably never received more critical praise than on the recent tour. Several reviewers (including the NME) said it was his best backing band since the Smiths. Jesse T is surely central to this.

I suspect a lot of people don't like Jesse because of his stage persona. He hardly ever smiles and seems to take himself pretty seriously unlike Alain who always seemed (on stage and in interview) a really nice guy.

Jesse's songs were not outstanding on ROTT but they were not too bad unlike Mike Farrells (Sweety Pie and At Last I am Born); two of the weakest recent Moz songs, yet we hardly ever have a go at him.
Remember Alain wrote a few duff ones too (including Father Must be Killed); Jesse's 'You Have Killed Me' was the second highest scoring song after Pigsty.
Intriguingly, of the six post ROTT songs, All You Need is Me, written by Jesse, was voted the best (beating Alain's and Boz's new stuff).

I'm a big fan of Alain's best work and miss him at the live shows. I hope he returns some day and can't wait to hear the rest of his new stuff.
But I still think Jesse gets a lot of unfair criticism from the fans. If he can compose more stuff as catchy and strong as All You Need is Me, I think he deserves his place in the songwriting fold...

[Jamie]

Perhaps Alain was becoming to liked by the fans and Moz saw him stealing some of the limelight?? Who knows, but atleast he is writing, and I hope to see him tour again someday. Nothing against Jessie, but Morrissey live without Alain just isnt the same.

Why dont these guys side projects ever take off? Red Lightning, Gazmen? You would think with Morrisseys connections, and the fame they have claimed by the association with him that they would be able to get their own projects off the ground and into the record stores.

I don't feel any "limelight-stealing" is the issue. Boz is clearly a fan favorite and Morrissey does not seem to begrudge the cheering he receives. Alain received perhaps the same level of reception. The only difference is that he would occasionally talk on mic, whether to introduce Morrissey or to crack a quick joke.

For me, the lack of Alain's backing vocals has been a huge detriment to the live sound. Cf. the new live Why Don't You Find Out For Yourself with the version from Introducing Morrissey. It's just not quite the same w/out those high harmony notes. Boz and Mike are great musicians, but only just adequate as backing singers.

One of the undercurrents to Red Lightning's demise (and the Motivators', too, for that matter) seems to have been Alain's disappointment with the "failure to launch." He apparently felt the same as you: how can you work with Morrissey for so many years and fall on deaf ears? Red Lightning should have gone farther. They had a booking agent, some semblance of management, and some terrific songs recorded--purportedly as much as a full album. If they had gotten an opening slot on a major tour, it could have made all the difference.

I've personally come to regard Jesse as a usurper to Alain's full position, simply because his songwriting does not justify any involvement in the studio and his only cache as a live guitarist is that he mimics Smiths songs better than Alain does. He is a technically proficient and adequate sessions/live guitarist, but not a great songwriter. He has little personality on stage and many less-than-stellar credits on his resume. I agree with many that Morrissey's contributions to All You Need Is Me are what make the song quite good (not great). The music is by-the-numbers and no large improvement on his fare for RotT. I've been bemused by the assertions some posters make that the virulent opposition many fans feel towards him is "racist," b/c I feel it's a cheap copout to justify defending him. His musical style has little camaraderie with Morrissey, whatever Morrissey seems to think. That is the benchmark he is being measured by. How many people will be humming I Just Want To See The Boy Happy in 20 years? In five? That's great if they are personal friends, but, lest we forget, James Maker--the original fifth Smith-- had to leave the stage at one point, too.

Cheers,
Jamie

[Jamie]

Remember Alain wrote a few duff ones too (including Father Must be Killed); Jesse's 'You Have Killed Me' was the second highest scoring song after Pigsty.
Intriguingly, of the six post ROTT songs, All You Need is Me, written by Jesse, was voted the best (beating Alain's and Boz's new stuff).

Maurice, I agree with a lot you have written, but I take a different stance on the above. I cannot disagree that Alain has written a few stinkers, but, depending on your subjective viewpoint, you could argue that some (e.g., Papa Jack) were deep-sixed by Morrissey's lyric or (e.g., The Father Who Must Be Killed) overproduced.

The lily is being a gilded a bit on Jesse's two songs namechecked in your post. First, You Have Killed Me did not crack the top 100 and was at least 50 points lower than Life is a Pigsty, so not only a distant second but a landslide in a top 200 list. All You Need Is Me, I think, has benefited from its familiarity in frequent live airings. That is, its "newness" skews the position. Could be higher, might be lower--it's hard to say without a few years to evaluate it in the full context of the rest of his body of work. For my part, I still think the melody is threadbare and so-so; Morrissey's lyrics are the largest part of its success.

Cheers,
Jamie

[SparkleBoy]

Why dont these guys side projects ever take off? Red Lightning, Gazmen? You would think with Morrisseys connections, and the fame they have claimed by the association with him that they would be able to get their own projects off the ground and into the record stores.

Who you worked with in the past and that level of success is NEVER an indicator of future success. Just ask Johnny Marr...Mick Ronson...Mick Jagger (solo)...on and on and on...

[Danny_]

I'm surprised to hear Alain was disappointed with the reaction to his band. Considering his age and the fact that he allowed the band to be marketed as "featuring Alain Whyte of Morrissey fame" what was he expecting?

[mozzer8633@mac.com]

I try to never treat anyone like poo.

*hugs*
thats a great trait not shared by too many of your cohorts. i'm going to pretend youre my wife, then when my wife is bitching that the candle i lit stinks or i put too many clothes in the laundry, I can just close my eyes and think about my other wife and how nice she is and maybe one day I'll yell back "MY MORRISSEY SOLO GENERAL DISCUSSION FORUM WIFE LOVES NEW CANDLES!"

[I Drink Your Milkshake!]

It's really annoying that people are attempting to justify Jesse Tobias' "writing ability" by saying out of the new batch of songs one of his (All You Need Is Me) was voted the 'best'.

That is just moronic on so many levels...

It is stupid to match two songs that are already released on an album, have been played live for the past year, and have been performed on late night talk shows (All You Need Is Me, That's How People Grow Up) up against songs that have not yet been released/recorded, have only had limited live performances, and have not been played on television (I'm Throwing My Arms Around Paris, One Day Goodbye Will Be Farewell, Something Is Squeezing My Skull*, Mama Lay Softly On The Riverbed)

Most people don't download bootleg live songs...and if they did, they would find no clear and quality recordings exist of these songs anyway. I'm sure there is also a large number of people who didn't even get the chance to see Morrissey live post-ROTT and aren't familiar with ANY of these songs at all.

So to match up released songs with songs most people have never heard of, of course they are going to choose the one they know best...which makes it simply a poll between 'All You Need Is Me' and 'That's How People Grow Up'...and sadly, there is no contest there.

Musically, 'All You Need Is Me' isn't even anywhere near written as layered as 'That's How People Grow Up'...and that's saying something considering Boz Boorer wrote a stinker with 'That's How People Grow Up'. The only thing about 'All You Need Is Me' that stands out is Morrissey's lyrics, and his melodic singing...



*Was played on Jonathan Ross

[I Drink Your Milkshake!]

Well now. Thank you. That surely answers my questions. I appreciate your time. I guess I never really listened or paid much attention to Jessie. I didnt think he was that bad but I never dug him from the beginning because of the whole Alanis Morrisette connection. I know some of the other musicians have their own connections, but alanis Morrisette??? Yuck! I do miss Alain live. Is it still his health keeping him from touring? And where is Gary! I wish the Kill Uncle band would come together and do an album.
According to Alain, to this date, he has yet to be asked to tour with Morrissey.

And as far as Gary goes, I imagine he won't be back either...I'm sure Morrissey has never forgiven his "die wanker" note he left him...

[nowherefast944]

And as far as Gary goes, I imagine he won't be back either...I'm sure Morrissey has never forgiven his "die wanker" note he left him...

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[Jamie]

Most people don't download bootleg live songs...and if they did, they would find no clear and quality recordings exist of these songs anyway. I'm sure there is also a large number of people who didn't even get the chance to see Morrissey live post-ROTT and aren't familiar with ANY of these songs at all.

So to match up released songs with songs most people have never heard of, of course they are going to choose the one they know best...which makes it simply a poll between 'All You Need Is Me' and 'That's How People Grow Up'...and sadly, there is no contest there.

Thanks for chiming in, IDYM--good analysis. This was sort of what I was driving at in my post above (#18). I'm glad more people are finding Morrissey to be the driver behind any success on the part of All You Need Is Me. Vocal melody-wise, that's the case for That's How People Grow Up, too, but the lyrics fail as spectacularly as they succeed on All You Need Is Me.

Cheers,
Jamie

[I Drink Your Milkshake!]

?????????????????


Morrissey fired Gary Day from the band in 1994 due to Gary's drug use. In response to this Gary went to Morrissey's house in the dead of night and carved the words 'DIE WANKER' on his front door...

[I Drink Your Milkshake!]

Thanks for chiming in, IDYM--good analysis. This was sort of what I was driving at in my post above (#18). I'm glad more people are finding Morrissey to be the driver behind any success on the part of All You Need Is Me. Vocal melody-wise, that's the case for That's How People Grow Up, too, but the lyrics fail as spectacularly as they succeed on All You Need Is Me.

Cheers,
Jamie

Well, great minds think alike...Lol.

In all honesty, musically, the only good thing about 'All You Need Is Me' is the part Boz plays after Jesse's "solo" and right before Morrissey goes into "You don't like me but you love me..."

You can hear the part I'm talking about well in the live versions of the song...and you can kinda hear it in the studio version of the song...but the song has been badly produced to the point all you can ever really make out is one guitar most of the time...

[Jamie]

You can hear the part I'm talking about well in the live versions of the song...and you can kinda hear it in the studio version of the song...but the song has been badly produced to the point all you can ever really make out is one guitar most of the time...

I rarely have "eureka" moments on this site, but this is one! YES--that descending guitar part is the one genuine instrumental hook in the entire song.

See, Roger Manning has said the new album was being tracked live and was very spontaneous. But how does that get reconciled with Finn's wildly canned production style? How much of that will stay in the mix when the guitars on the two most recent recordings are as freeze-dried as performances on an Alkaline Trio song? I'm already thinking "right idea, wrong producer." Morrissey needs a Lillywhite for this "new Southpaw"...and he's working with the So. Cal version of Langer and Winstanley!

Cheers,
Jamie

[nowherefast944]

Morrissey fired Gary Day from the band in 1994 due to Gary's drug use. In response to this Gary went to Morrissey's house in the dead of night and carved the words 'DIE WANKER' on his front door...


hot damn.
i had no idea about this. i never knew gary was fired nor about the carving!



that's a shame.

[bysshe]

thats a great trait not shared by too many of your cohorts. i'm going to pretend youre my wife, then when my wife is bitching that the candle i lit stinks or i put too many clothes in the laundry, I can just close my eyes and think about my other wife and how nice she is and maybe one day I'll yell back "MY MORRISSEY SOLO GENERAL DISCUSSION FORUM WIFE LOVES NEW CANDLES!"

I do like candles. What scents do you have? :)

[Renia]

Morrissey fired Gary Day from the band in 1994 due to Gary's drug use. In response to this Gary went to Morrissey's house in the dead of night and carved the words 'DIE WANKER' on his front door...

eek. I can see why Morrissey might still be a bit...peeved about that. =|

[CrystalGeezer]

Morrissey fired Gary Day from the band in 1994 due to Gary's drug use. In response to this Gary went to Morrissey's house in the dead of night and carved the words 'DIE WANKER' on his front door...

I say BULLSHIT! This story is bullshit.

[Currer Bell]

I'm surprised to hear Alain was disappointed with the reaction to his band. Considering his age and the fact that he allowed the band to be marketed as "featuring Alain Whyte of Morrissey fame" what was he expecting?

i think the problem is that he's used to playing in front of crowds that have thousands of people in attendance and never got over the fact that he would have to start over from the bottom. Morrissey's own stuff hardly gets radio play, and he's Morrissey! It isn't like anybody at the major labels was going to say, "Get me that Alain Whyte guy on the phone. i heard he's finally left Morrissey and is starting his own band!"

We can see what has happened to every other Morrissey collaborator. Even Johnny Marr went through a rough patch lasting nearly 20 years before Modest Mouse saved him from himself (come on, did you really want another Healer's album?).

Spencer Cobrin: went to school, scores indie films.

Andrew Paresi: Now does something for the BBC. i'm not sure what, but he does.

Boz Boorer: jams with his rockabilly buddies in his spare time. and drinks. plenty.

Mike Joyce and Andy Rourke: Andy does some DJ stuff and his yearly cancer benefit. i'm not sure what else. Mike? is the guy journalists dig up if they need some quotes for an article about the Smiths.

The guys that collaborated on Kill Uncle....might be mopping the floor at the BBC after Andrew Paresi goes home for the evening.

in otherwords, the overwhelming evidence shows that just like Leonard Nimoy, those guys are Spock for life.

[CrystalGeezer]

I wonder if Boz has a hot rod.

[I Drink Your Milkshake!]

I say BULLSHIT! This story is bullshit.

You can say "bullshit", "horseshit", or "ottershit" all you like...it doesn't make it any less true.

[CrystalGeezer]

Bullshit. And milkshakes are better with malt.

[I Drink Your Milkshake!]

I rarely have "eureka" moments on this site, but this is one! YES--that descending guitar part is the one genuine instrumental hook in the entire song.

See, Roger Manning has said the new album was being tracked live and was very spontaneous. But how does that get reconciled with Finn's wildly canned production style? How much of that will stay in the mix when the guitars on the two most recent recordings are as freeze-dried as performances on an Alkaline Trio song? I'm already thinking "right idea, wrong producer." Morrissey needs a Lillywhite for this "new Southpaw"...and he's working with the So. Cal version of Langer and Winstanley!

Cheers,
Jamie
Exactly! Finn's production (and Morrissey uneven track selection) brought "Quarry" down from the level it SHOULD have been at. Visconti (and Morrissey) did the same thing with "Ringleader" as well...for example, Alain's guitair solo at the end of "To Me You Are A Work Of Art" is massively drowned out by the strings...

Also, Visconti's production of "Ganglord"...you can't really hear it on the B-side track so well but Alain is doing TONS of guitar work in there that just doesn't come through because the synth, bass, and drums are SO loud...

The problem with Morrissey's newest producers are they seem to bring up only a few things and leave everything else in the background...

Finn - likes to have Morrissey's voice, the bass, and the drums louder than everything else

Visconti - likes to have Morrissey's voice, the bass, and the orchestra louder than everything else

The only thing that should really be louder that the instruments is Morrissey's voice...everything else should have a pretty even mix. A lot of the Morrissey and Smiths albums are badly produced to the point you can't hear the 'little things' going on in the background.

Other examples:

Marr's background guitar playing on "The Headmaster Ritual" during the 'I wan't to go home, I don't want to stay' lines...

The synth in "Suedehead" when he sings "I'm so sorry"

The "help me, help me, help me" lines at the end of "Southpaw"

[I Drink Your Milkshake!]

Bullshit. And milkshakes are better with malt.

Just keep telling yourself that, baby...

[Mel_Torment]

One of the undercurrents to Red Lightning's demise (and the Motivators', too, for that matter) seems to have been Alain's disappointment with the "failure to launch." He apparently felt the same as you: how can you work with Morrissey for so many years and fall on deaf ears? Red Lightning should have gone farther. They had a booking agent, some semblance of management, and some terrific songs recorded--purportedly as much as a full album. If they had gotten an opening slot on a major tour, it could have made all the difference.


Coulda, woulda, shoulda. I'm a fan of Red Lightning, but I never envisioned that Alain could've expected anything near the success with RL that he's had with Morrissey.

I'm curious about why you say Alain's disappointment with RL's "failure to launch" was apparent. It wasn't to me. He's always been very humble, realistically playing off of his capital as a successful Morrissey collaborator, and not too proud to play Smiffs and Morrissey songs at RL gigs. I think Alain has his head on his shoulders. He didn't seem to have pipe dreams about how easy it is succeed commercially in the music biz. Do you have any idea how many talented bands start off and how few actually succeed in turning a profit (for themselves, not the record companies)?

I've come to accept that Alain will not being playing live in Morrissey's touring band anytime soon, however much I yearn for it. But I am tremendously glad that he's still Morrissey's songwriting partner.

To a different poster:
Re: Moz not forgiving Gary Day for the "die wanker" carving...that incident was in the mid-90s, well before Moz let Gary re-join the band. How do you explain Gary being let back in since '97? I'm sad that he's not touring with Morrissey anymore.

[Mel_Torment]

The only thing that should really be louder that the instruments is Morrissey's voice...everything else should have a pretty even mix.

I share this opinion.

What bothers me is when the vocals (of any artist, actually) are too low in the mix, especially at live shows.

Great discussion, guys! Who wudda thunk a bunch a questions from a guy outta da loop would be so thoughtful and wonderful?

[I Drink Your Milkshake!]

To a different poster:
Re: Moz not forgiving Gary Day for the "die wanker" carving...that incident was in the mid-90s, well before Moz let Gary re-join the band. How do you explain Gary being let back in since '97? I'm sad that he's not touring with Morrissey anymore.

I know it happened in the mid-90's...about 1994 to be exact. But what better revenge than to hire him back, pretend to forgive him and then fire him again right when he has a kid and needs the money?

[Danny_]

I know it happened in the mid-90's...about 1994 to be exact. But what better revenge than to hire him back, pretend to forgive him and then fire him again right when he has a kid and needs the money?
I think that says more about the way your mind works than Morrissey.

[I Drink Your Milkshake!]

I think that says more about the way your mind works than Morrissey.

I'm not the one who ripped off my bass player and drummer for royalties.

I'm not the one who fires band members with post it notes stuck to their windshield.

I'm not the one who didn't pay Steven Street money for producing and writing my music.

I'm not the one who didn't pay some of the band and crew on the 2002 tour.

I'm not the one who constantly backs out of tours and concerts (simply because I feel like it or because I didn't sell enough tickets) and then blames it on ignorance, sickness, or 'burst plumbing pipes'.

I'm not the one who lies to another musician about having to be at an appointment after they nix my idea about putting skinheads and a bulldog in a music video and then never contact them again.

I'm not the one who tells one of the Gallagher boys (Noel or Liam, not sure which) I'll show up at his party and then don't, then slip a letter under his door with my phone number on it, and then when they call it be someone else's phone number.

I'm not the one who promised Tony Visconti that he'd produce my next album all the while working with Jerry Finn on recording new songs and new singles all while badmouthing Visconti to his girlfriend.

I'm not the one who has said 'fuck', 'shit', 'ass' and sworn death on people during my concerts yet booted out my opening act because they said I gave good 'cunnilingus'.

I'm not the one who doesn't bother to ask back band members who have been with me for over a decade back on the tour after they take a break.

I'm not the one who replaces band members permanently after they decide to take a break.


Morrissey certainly isn't the most rational, upstanding, honest, or nicest person in the world. He's proven for years that he is a very bitter and unforgiving man when he feels he has been spurned...What makes you think he isn't capable of such things? Because he's Morrissey? Because he puts out good music? Are you trying to say Morrissey is above 'revenge'? If anything, that just goes to show how naive you are...

[Well I Wonder]

"Shoes similar to Boz Boorers seen in Rack Room newspaper ad". So my apologies, I dont read the main page.

Hee hee hee hee.......

[Stoner Kebab]

I'm not the one who ripped off my bass player and drummer for royalties.

I'm not the one who fires band members with post it notes stuck to their windshield.

I'm not the one who didn't pay Steven Street money for producing and writing my music.

I'm not the one who didn't pay some of the band and crew on the 2002 tour.

I'm not the one who constantly backs out of tours and concerts (simply because I feel like it or because I didn't sell enough tickets) and then blames it on ignorance, sickness, or 'burst plumbing pipes'.

I'm not the one who lies to another musician about having to be at an appointment after they nix my idea about putting skinheads and a bulldog in a music video and then never contact them again.

I'm not the one who tells one of the Gallagher boys (Noel or Liam, not sure which) I'll show up at his party and then don't, then slip a letter under his door with my phone number on it, and then when they call it be someone else's phone number.

I'm not the one who promised Tony Visconti that he'd produce my next album all the while working with Jerry Finn on recording new songs and new singles all while badmouthing Visconti to his girlfriend.

I'm not the one who has said 'fuck', 'shit', 'ass' and sworn death on people during my concerts yet booted out my opening act because they said I gave good 'cunnilingus'.

I'm not the one who doesn't bother to ask back band members who have been with me for over a decade back on the tour after they take a break.

I'm not the one who replaces band members permanently after they decide to take a break.


Morrissey certainly isn't the most rational, upstanding, honest, or nicest person in the world. He's proven for years that he is a very bitter and unforgiving man when he feels he has been spurned...What makes you think he isn't capable of such things? Because he's Morrissey? Because he puts out good music? Are you trying to say Morrissey is above 'revenge'? If anything, that just goes to show how naive you are...


i love the b52's .kate pierson is fucken fresh!

[I Drink Your Milkshake!]

i love the b52's .kate pierson is fucken fresh!

I've always found her red beehive hairdo and dolphin sounds extremely erotic...

[Pokey]

I'm not the one who ripped off my bass player and drummer for royalties.

I'm not the one who fires band members with post it notes stuck to their windshield.

I'm not the one who didn't pay Steven Street money for producing and writing my music.

I'm not the one who didn't pay some of the band and crew on the 2002 tour.

I'm not the one who constantly backs out of tours and concerts (simply because I feel like it or because I didn't sell enough tickets) and then blames it on ignorance, sickness, or 'burst plumbing pipes'.

I'm not the one who lies to another musician about having to be at an appointment after they nix my idea about putting skinheads and a bulldog in a music video and then never contact them again.

I'm not the one who tells one of the Gallagher boys (Noel or Liam, not sure which) I'll show up at his party and then don't, then slip a letter under his door with my phone number on it, and then when they call it be someone else's phone number.

I'm not the one who promised Tony Visconti that he'd produce my next album all the while working with Jerry Finn on recording new songs and new singles all while badmouthing Visconti to his girlfriend.

I'm not the one who has said 'fuck', 'shit', 'ass' and sworn death on people during my concerts yet booted out my opening act because they said I gave good 'cunnilingus'.

I'm not the one who doesn't bother to ask back band members who have been with me for over a decade back on the tour after they take a break.

I'm not the one who replaces band members permanently after they decide to take a break.


Morrissey certainly isn't the most rational, upstanding, honest, or nicest person in the world. He's proven for years that he is a very bitter and unforgiving man when he feels he has been spurned...What makes you think he isn't capable of such things? Because he's Morrissey? Because he puts out good music? Are you trying to say Morrissey is above 'revenge'? If anything, that just goes to show how naive you are...

wow you sure do take a lot of things that Morrissey has supposedly done to other people quite personally.

[I Drink Your Milkshake!]

wow you sure do take a lot of things that Morrissey has supposedly done to other people quite personally.

It's not personal...just facts. Try to read and comprehend better next time...mkay?

[Stoner Kebab]

It's not personal...just facts. Try to read and comprehend better next time...mkay?


why dont you get a job at wikipedia. they will hire anyone. and its almost always an internship.

[I Drink Your Milkshake!]

why dont you get a job at wikipedia. they will hire anyone. and its almost always an internship.

Were you fired from wikipedia? I detect resentment...

[Pokey]

It's not personal...just facts. Try to read and comprehend better next time...mkay?

Regardless of if they are facts or not, what the hell is it to you? Maybe if he said he'd be at your party and not show that's something, but if he bails on the Gallaghers ... so what?

"You see I'd love to love Morrissey's music, he has a great voice, great lyrics, but he didn't turn up at the Gallagher's place so .. y'know.."

[MozIsGod]

Also, Visconti's production of "Ganglord"...you can't really hear it on the B-side track so well but Alain is doing TONS of guitar work in there that just doesn't come through because the synth, bass, and drums are SO loud...

With all due respect, I believe that Boz and Jesse are the only players in that song (at least credited). It, like the other b-sides on that single, were recorded with new drummer Matt Walker -- presumably before the start of the Ringleader tour.

[platforms]

The obvious reason for the culling of Alain and Gary is that from a marketing perspective it looks much better to have Morrissey surrounded by a young and energetic band.

Doesn't explain why Boz is still there though.

[Jones]

The obvious reason for the culling of Alain and Gary is that from a marketing perspective it looks much better to have Morrissey surrounded by a young and energetic band.

Doesn't explain why Boz is still there though.

Yes, because Morrissey always uses his band in all the marketing doesn't he. :rolleyes:

What nonsense.

[platforms]

Nonsense?

What I mean is, when Morrissey plays on TV or festivals, on his music videos (which the band regularly appears in), it makes him look more relevant and fresh to have a young band around him, rather than making him look like an aging act.

Nothing nonsensical about it.

[CrystalGeezer]

It's not personal...just facts. Try to read and comprehend better next time...mkay?

These tidbits seem more like an accumulation of gossip than "facts." Why are you here?

[mozzer8633@mac.com]

It's really annoying that people are attempting to justify Jesse Tobias' "writing ability" by saying out of the new batch of songs one of his (All You Need Is Me) was voted the 'best'.

That is just moronic on so many levels...

It is stupid to match two songs that are already released on an album, have been played live for the past year, and have been performed on late night talk shows (All You Need Is Me, That's How People Grow Up) up against songs that have not yet been released/recorded, have only had limited live performances, and have not been played on television (I'm Throwing My Arms Around Paris, One Day Goodbye Will Be Farewell, Something Is Squeezing My Skull*, Mama Lay Softly On The Riverbed)

Most people don't download bootleg live songs...and if they did, they would find no clear and quality recordings exist of these songs anyway. I'm sure there is also a large number of people who didn't even get the chance to see Morrissey live post-ROTT and aren't familiar with ANY of these songs at all.

So to match up released songs with songs most people have never heard of, of course they are going to choose the one they know best...which makes it simply a poll between 'All You Need Is Me' and 'That's How People Grow Up'...and sadly, there is no contest there.

Musically, 'All You Need Is Me' isn't even anywhere near written as layered as 'That's How People Grow Up'...and that's saying something considering Boz Boorer wrote a stinker with 'That's How People Grow Up'. The only thing about 'All You Need Is Me' that stands out is Morrissey's lyrics, and his melodic singing...



*Was played on Jonathan Ross

Agreed, and as I have said, I dont really have much against him, and I do like his songs on ROTT but I dont think hes written enough to start heralding him as a great Moz songwriter. I'm sure half the elements in the songs he did write were suggested and added by someone else anyway. I think people here may defend him side with him because on web forums theres always someone who has to go against the grain and argue the topic. I dont think Jessies horrible, but I dont think we would miss him if he was to disappear like we would Alain or Boz.

[mozzer8633@mac.com]

According to Alain, to this date, he has yet to be asked to tour with Morrissey.

And as far as Gary goes, I imagine he won't be back either...I'm sure Morrissey has never forgiven his "die wanker" note he left him...

He left a "die wanker" note for Moz? Thats hialrious! Insulting and not very smart, but thats pretty funny. Atleast hes got some balls, Moz should respect that. When did he do this?

[mozzer8633@mac.com]

Morrissey fired Gary Day from the band in 1994 due to Gary's drug use. In response to this Gary went to Morrissey's house in the dead of night and carved the words 'DIE WANKER' on his front door...

ok, that just answered my previous question. yes, thats brilliant! No, I'm not saying I agree with anything he did but we've all wanted to do that to our boss so good for him! Ive heard Moz has got some very strict rules for everyone on the tour to follow. If I was some semi-young punk rockabilly bassist and I was traveling around the world, staying up late, getting up early, etc, etc, I would be in a cocaine, rum, and Sam Adams stupor the entire time, no doubt about it. But Die Wanker, I love that.

[mozzer8633@mac.com]

Morrissey fired Gary Day from the band in 1994 due to Gary's drug use. In response to this Gary went to Morrissey's house in the dead of night and carved the words 'DIE WANKER' on his front door...

And what else was Moz going to do besides fire him? Kick his ass? Probably not a good idea unless it was a battle of wits, so firing him was good, even though he should have just laughed it of, isnt Moz known for scrawling little things here and there?

[mozzer8633@mac.com]

I share this opinion.

What bothers me is when the vocals (of any artist, actually) are too low in the mix, especially at live shows.

Great discussion, guys! Who wudda thunk a bunch a questions from a guy outta da loop would be so thoughtful and wonderful?

I agree 100%, I started the post and have learned so much more then I was looking for. Usually you start a random post and you get a couple trolls on there basically just disagreeing with or slamming everything you have said. Very good thread here.

[Danny_]

And what else was Moz going to do besides fire him? Kick his ass? Probably not a good idea unless it was a battle of wits, so firing him was good, even though he should have just laughed it of, isnt Moz known for scrawling little things here and there?
Except Morrissey didn't fire him for that. He did that in response to Morrissey firing him for his drink and drugs use.

[I Drink Your Milkshake!]

Regardless of if they are facts or not, what the hell is it to you? Maybe if he said he'd be at your party and not show that's something, but if he bails on the Gallaghers ... so what?

"You see I'd love to love Morrissey's music, he has a great voice, great lyrics, but he didn't turn up at the Gallagher's place so .. y'know.."

Your skull is pretty thick isn't it? I never said I didn't like Morrissey's music...but Morrissey as a human being is not the saint most of you try to paint him out to be. Once again, try working on your reading and comprehension...it would save me from wasting my time replying to your ignorance.

[I Drink Your Milkshake!]

With all due respect, I believe that Boz and Jesse are the only players in that song (at least credited). It, like the other b-sides on that single, were recorded with new drummer Matt Walker -- presumably before the start of the Ringleader tour.
I read where Alain said he played on "Ganglord"...perhaps he just meant the demo?

[I Drink Your Milkshake!]

These tidbits seem more like an accumulation of gossip than "facts." Why are you here?
Luckily I don't care what it seems like to you...

A better question is what are YOU doing here? Wouldn't simple folk like yourself get more joy from reading a cheap supermarket romance novel with Fabio on the cover?

[Pokey]

Your skull is pretty thick isn't it? I never said I didn't like Morrissey's music...but Morrissey as a human being is not the saint most of you try to paint him out to be. Once again, try working on your reading and comprehension...it would save me from wasting my time replying to your ignorance.

I thought not bitching about who Morrissey has wronged in the past would be saving your time.

[I Drink Your Milkshake!]

I thought not bitching about who Morrissey has wronged in the past would be saving your time.

As usual, you thought wrong...

[CrystalGeezer]

Luckily I don't care what it seems like to you...

A better question is what are YOU doing here? Wouldn't simple folk like yourself get more joy from reading a cheap supermarket romance novel with Fabio on the cover?

Wow. It's like you know me. Too bad you require luck to determine the effect my words have on your existence. Hope you're feeling lucky tomorrow, I've just about wrapped up my super market mass market bodice ripping tome. Asswipe.

[I Drink Your Milkshake!]

Wow. It's like you know me. Too bad you require luck to determine the effect my words have on your existence. Hope you're feeling lucky tomorrow, I've just about wrapped up my super market mass market bodice ripping tome. Asswipe.

Oooh, I've been tongue lashed by mildly autistic trailer trash...I think I'll cry now. :rolleyes:

[CrystalGeezer]

It's a mobile home.

[Not Right in the Head]

It's a mobile home.

My memo here says that the preferred term these days is "manufactured home."

[CrystalGeezer]

My memo here says that the preferred term these days is "manufactured home."

I don't think there are political correctness rules when it comes to architecture. If so, the building across the street from the Cat & Fiddle is definitely loud and proud.

[Mel_Torment]

Nonsense?

What I mean is, when Morrissey plays on TV or festivals, on his music videos (which the band regularly appears in), it makes him look more relevant and fresh to have a young band around him, rather than making him look like an aging act.

Nothing nonsensical about it.

This doesn't make sense to me. For one, you yourself admit your theory can't explain why he keeps Boz around.

I thought by comparison, Moz would look older, more like yer dad (especially with that brown cardigan he used to wear in 2002) surrounded by all those fresh-faced youngsters. Have you noticed that Moz did not appear shirtless for long when Solomon is shirtless?

When Moz is stood next to Boz, Moz appears very svelte and youthful in comparison.

Alain has been looking good (when I last saw him in June 2007), and I'd say Gaz has aged the best out of the original '91 line-up of th'Lads (also saw him last in September 2007).

[Pokey]

As usual, you thought wrong...

obviously i am wrong and you do have that much time on your hands!

[cooper]

I have been away for some time...dose anybody knows if there is a tracking list for his new album?

[jesuisbryony]

http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=82238&highlight=warner+publishing

I think this may be of help
:) I did a Kewpie

[cooper]

http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=82238&highlight=warner+publishing

I think this may be of help
:) I did a Kewpie


Thank you

[oscillate wildly]

I still can't wait to hear

Action Man!!! :D
hahahaha

[Mr Smith]

I don't think it's unusual for Morrissey to have a separate writing and touring team. It happened around the Kill Uncle period. With the exception of Boz who is still touring with Moz, the others have other commitments now (whatever they may be), and a Morrissey tour, I imagine, must be very exhausting and a massive commitment. Plus, it seems Moz has grow attached to his new touring band members, and feels they offer a more vibrant element to the live shows.

I don't think Morrissey as a saint, but I don't think he's despicable either. I'm not convinced by the die wanker thing and that he only hired him to fire him. It's been a long time since Gary Day was re-hired and then left the tour, over seven year at least. If that was the reason, surely Mike Joyce will be joining the tour soon, only to be fired seven years down the road?

I also think Paris, Skull sound so much better than AYNIM

[Oso Blanco]

Morrissey needs a Lillywhite for this "new Southpaw"

I hope he'll never do a "new Southpaw".

[Vauxhall95]

I hope he'll never do a "new Southpaw".

That brings up an interesting point: who is producing & re-mastering the three new tracks that will be added to the album? It sounds like this is a Sony decision, not a Morrissey decision. How do these things work? Does Morrissey have to grant permission for the unreleased songs to come out? If so, who is re-mastering the old ones and/or producing the new ones? Who gets to choose? The record company or the artist?:confused:

[Oso Blanco]

Usually, those "previously unreleased tracks" are already produced by whoever had produced them back then. Unless they are demos, in which case they'll be staying kind of unproduced.

[MuteWitness616]

Thank you

nice signature!
is that really your butt?

[Ready With Ready-Wit]

The problem with Morrissey's newest producers are they seem to bring up only a few things and leave everything else in the background...

Finn - likes to have Morrissey's voice, the bass, and the drums louder than everything else

Visconti - likes to have Morrissey's voice, the bass, and the orchestra louder than everything else



The only problem, I say, are the instruments. They should leave them out completely. :)

[cooper]

nice signature!
is that really your butt?

yes it is...I was board:p

[Danny_]

That brings up an interesting point: who is producing & re-mastering the three new tracks that will be added to the album? It sounds like this is a Sony decision, not a Morrissey decision. How do these things work? Does Morrissey have to grant permission for the unreleased songs to come out? If so, who is re-mastering the old ones and/or producing the new ones? Who gets to choose? The record company or the artist?:confused:

I'm guessing because Morrissey has announced it on truetoyou and the artwork is being redone it was done with his co-operation. It would have been a Sony decision to initiate the re-release though.