Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now - 12" extended version

[Stephane]

A fellow fan has just pointed out to me that his 12" copy of the "Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now" single has a longer version than the 7" , "Hatful Of Hollow" and "Louder Than Bombs". The difference is found at the end where there's an additional repeat of the "In my life..." verse. In total this version is 3:55 instead of 3:34.

Now this is a surprise to me because, not only have I never noticed this myself (but then I haven't listened to my vinyl in 20 years), but also nobody else has ever mentioned this. Even Godard doesn't seem to be aware.

The question now is: is this on every 12" copy of this single? I can't check my own copies because a few years ago my turntable left me for a better world and I never felt the need to buy a new one.

Could any of you check their copies and let me know what they have, and what edition of the 12" they're checking?

thanks!
Stephane

[Flax]

I just checked mine, UK RTT 156:

http://www.songsthatmadeyousmile.com/smiths/images/1984_heaven12_1.jpghttp://www.songsthatmadeyousmile.com/smiths/images/1984_heaven12_2.jpg

It's the same version as my cd RTT 156CD and 7" RT 156.
They are all 3:34 here.

[vAndreav]

mine is 3:34 as well. Hmmm.

[nowherefast944]

i'll check mine in a bit. i have the UK 12".... RTT 156. i think mine is the normal, but hopefully i'm wrong.

i do remember hearing about the extended version on a test presing a while back over in the Collector's Corner forum. i'll let you know my findings.

did this person say which edition of the 12" they got it from? also, do they happen to be have it ripped to mp3?! :):):)

EDIT: Unfortunately, it seems I only have the normal edition :( it seems i'll be buying more copies of the 12" :)

[Stephane]

By the way you'll have to play the record to find out. Either way the label says 3:34.

Stephane

[Flax]

By the way you'll have to play the record to find out. Either way the label says 3:34.

Stephane

Yeah, I played mine.... I played the 12" and the 7". Both 3:34.

The thing is, the labels on my 12" and 7" don't say how long the track is. Neither the labels nor the sleeves.

The label on the 12" say how long Girl Afraid and Suffer Little Children are, but there is nothing on side A.

[Stephane]

Flavio,

The timing should be on the right side of the label, under 'Side A' and '45 RPM'.

Meanwhile in an archive of information I'm saving for possible future use on "Passions Just Like Mine" I have found the existence of a 7" test pressing with a longer version of "Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now". The tp has a full center (not a push-out one) and is marked RT 156 A-1U-1-1
I'm guessing this might be the same longer version.

Stephane

[nowherefast944]

Bump


did anyone else check theirs?

i'm dying for any chance to hear it

[Worm]

Bump


did anyone else check theirs?

i'm dying for any chance to hear it

Unfortunately I can't check my copy since it's three thousand miles away right now but I believe I had a vinyl version of the "long" mix. I can't say for sure though. I know I've heard the long version somewhere or other. It's not that exciting, really, other than the "holy shit" moment when the familiar veers into the unfamiliar.

What was exciting was my Rough Trade 12" of "Heaven", which seemed to be a louder, sharper, more vivid mix of the song. Again, I wouldn't claim this with my hand on the Koran, but I could swear it was a slightly different mix, almost as if it were remastered. Don't quote me on that.

[Flax]

Flavio,

The timing should be on the right side of the label, under 'Side A' and '45 RPM'.


Yes, you're right... I just got home from a trip and checked the label. It says 3:34... and as I said, I played it and it is in fact 3:34.

That's the only Heaven 12" I have... Did you figure out where the long version is?

[Not Right in the Head]

Has anyone checked the matrix numbers? Surely there has to be a difference.

[nowherefast944]

Has anyone checked the matrix numbers? Surely there has to be a difference.

i just checked mine.

i have RTT-A2 and RTT-156 B1

[Not Right in the Head]

i just checked mine.

i have RTT-A2 and RTT-156 B1

Then maybe we're on the lookout for RTT-A1.

[Stephane]

I'm surprised I haven't had more replies to this yet. I would have thought people would be curious to check if they had an unexpected rarity in their collection. I guess nobody has turntables anymore...

Stephane

[Not Right in the Head]

I'm surprised I haven't had more replies to this yet. I would have thought people would be curious to check if they had an unexpected rarity in their collection. I guess nobody has turntables anymore...

I do, but I don't have a HKIMN 12". :D

[Flax]

I'm surprised I haven't had more replies to this yet. I would have thought people would be curious to check if they had an unexpected rarity in their collection. I guess nobody has turntables anymore...

Stephane

That's because the subject is not about morrissey using and old photo on the cover or how the tracklist isn't that great.

Let's change the title to "Viv's picture on Heaven 12-inch is too old" or "Heaven 12-inch tracklist sucks" :)

[Grim O'Grady]

That's because the subject is not about morrissey using and old photo on the cover or how the tracklist isn't that great.

Let's change the title to "Viv's picture on Heaven 12-inch is too old" or "Heaven 12-inch tracklist sucks" :)

I've not checked mine yet & I do have my turntable working, I'll sort out later.

love

Grim
P.s. you should have called this thread "Moz left arse cheek bigger on the vinyl sleeve than on the cd"!

[Not Right in the Head]

That's because the subject is not about morrissey using and old photo on the cover or how the tracklist isn't that great.

Let's change the title to "Viv's picture on Heaven 12-inch is too old" or "Heaven 12-inch tracklist sucks" :)

How about "You're not a true fan if you don't check your Heaven 12" to see whether it's got an extra line at the end"?

[Flax]

How about "You're not a true fan if you don't check your Heaven 12" to see whether it's got an extra line at the end"?

Excellent!! haha

[Grim O'Grady]

I've dug out 3 copies of RTT156 each of them say 3.43.
They are all etched RTT 156 A 2.
So is there a point to me getting me stop watch out & playing them?

Stephane is it a white label only pressing that plays the extra bit?

love

Grim

[nowherefast944]

I've dug out 3 copies of RTT156 each of them say 3.43.
They are all etched RTT 156 A 2.
So is there a point to me getting me stop watch out & playing them?

Stephane is it a white label only pressing that plays the extra bit?

love

Grim

because someone was bound to say this


- you're not a true fan if you give turn down listening to HKIMN 3 tims in a row!

[Grim O'Grady]

because someone was bound to say this


- you're not a true fan if you give turn down listening to HKIMN 3 tims in a row!

:D:D

love

Cliff

[Stephane]

Stephane is it a white label only pressing that plays the extra bit?

No it's a stock copy. And you need to play them to find out. One way or another all the labels say 3:34

Stephane

[Grim O'Grady]

I've played all 3 copies & they are all 3.34 copies! d'oh!
GU says she's got a copy in the attic, so next time I venture in I'll see if I can find it but heaven knows I'm miserable just now!

love

Grim

[Dave2006]

Try this previous thread:
http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=67704

BlueCityBoy sold one on eBay for over £1000. The dozy sod didn't have chance to record it before it went though - I know him and could have done it, but I didn't see the posts until it had gone :(

So, please, copy it and let us all hear.

PS: Just realised that your copy has the matrix number RT 156 A-1U-1-1 whereas BCB's was RT 156 A1U-1-1-1 (with an extra "1") he thought his was a one-off. Please, if you can, copy it and post it :)

[Dave2006]

BUMP - to keep this thread alive.

Not sure who else might have this very rare single in their collection - please look - but is there any chance that Stephane (or your mate) could copy it and share?

From the previous thread a lot of regulars on this forum wanted copies - it could be a very special find.

I don't expect it right now (knowing how precise you are you probably want to get the edit just right), but at least let us know whether you are planning to do it or not - not sure if that will affect the price of such an item or not - presumably BCB got £1000+ for his copy because no one thought another copy existed.

#Don't keep us in the dark#

[CrashingBore]

i got the german RTD015T
hope my new needle arrives soon so i can check it

[nowherefast944]

BUMP

just checked my 7" but to no avail. matrix number RT 156A-2U-1-1-10


i'm also surprised this thread has been so dead. people (even completetists) aren't really interested in hearing a version of the song that has never been mentioned until recently?
shame.

[Lorimoz]

Just checked the 12''vinyl, RTT156 - A3 ( SMITHS PRESUMABLY is the etching) and unfortunately is 3:34 :(

[Cowshed]

Then maybe we're on the lookout for RTT-A1.

I've just got around to checking my copy of HKIMN 12", and Not Right in the Head is pretty much correct. The extended version is on RTT 156 A1. I know because that is the version I've got. Everything else is exactly the same compared with Passions.

I've calmed down a little bit after finding it! :) :) :) :) (But still feel like jumping for joy! I don't think my Dad quite understood as he had the misfortune of calling me just as I found out!)

I would upload it, but I don't have any means of ripping a record - apologies, I would if I could!

[Not Right in the Head]

I've just got around to checking my copy of HKIMN 12", and Not Right in the Head is pretty much correct. The extended version is on RTT 156 A1. I know because that is the version I've got. Everything else is exactly the same compared with Passions.

I've calmed down a little bit after finding it! :) :) :) :) (But still feel like jumping for joy! I don't think my Dad quite understood as he had the misfortune of calling me just as I found out!)

I would upload it, but I don't have any means of ripping a record - apologies, I would if I could!

This is excellent news. Ok, collectors, who lives closest to Cowshed?

I just realized I botched the matrix number in my earlier post. :doh:

[Kewpie]

I've just got around to checking my copy of HKIMN 12", and Not Right in the Head is pretty much correct. The extended version is on RTT 156 A1. I know because that is the version I've got. Everything else is exactly the same compared with Passions.

I've calmed down a little bit after finding it! :) :) :) :) (But still feel like jumping for joy! I don't think my Dad quite understood as he had the misfortune of calling me just as I found out!)

I would upload it, but I don't have any means of ripping a record - apologies, I would if I could!


Fantastic! :)

I'd suggest you to send a PM to bobalmighty who will give you some tips (he lives in Southampton if I remember correctly).

[Dave2006]

I'm practically moist with anticipation :)

[vivabob]

I'm practically moist with anticipation :)

:sick::sick::sick::sick::sick::sick::sick:

[vivabob]

i take it its just the 12" version so far ?

[Not Right in the Head]

i take it its just the 12" version so far ?

What do you mean?

[bobalmighty]

Fantastic! :)

I'd suggest you to send a PM to bobalmighty who will give you some tips (he lives in Southampton if I remember correctly).


I know nothing about ripping vinyls! I dunno what gave you that idea lol. I'm confused...

[vivabob]

What do you mean?

in the tread people were checking 7" singles , i was saying is it on the 12" that has the extended version only or are the 7" versions also having the extended song

[Kewpie]

I know nothing about ripping vinyls! I dunno what gave you that idea lol. I'm confused...


Ooops, sorry Bob and Cowshed. :o

My mp3 can record from CDs and cassettes, if you have a similar mp3 device you're able to upload? :confused:

[bobalmighty]

That's alright, I'm surprised people know me more than anything haha. I'm afraid I have no devices for anything like that.

[Not Right in the Head]

in the tread people were checking 7" singles , i was saying is it on the 12" that has the extended version only or are the 7" versions also having the extended song

Ah, now I get it.

Cowshed, I'd be happy to rip it for you, but you'd have to ship it to me over here in the States. :D

[CrystalGeezer]

i take it its just the 12" version so far ?

:sick::sick::sick::sick::sick::sick::sick::sick:

[Not Right in the Head]

:sick::sick::sick::sick:

CG, I thought you'd be all :horny: :horny: :horny: about a Morrissey 12", especially an extended version.

[Stephane]

Sorry I've been away from an internet connection for over 2 days now. I do have a mp3 of the extended version, I will put it up in the download section in a few days after I've caught up with other stuff I need to do.

As for something else someone asked in this thread, this version is only commercially available on 12"s. And since I started the thread we've pretty much confirmed that the version is only available on the very first pressing of the 12", numbered RTT156 A1 between side A's run out grooves. The label will still say the timing is 3:34 because this is *not* an extended version. It is longer than the version we're all familiar with, but never meant to be a 12" version, and apparently not meant to be released. Its pressing was accidental. The version was first pressed on a 7" test pressing but plans were changed and the 3:34 version was finally adopted for release, except on this accidental first batch of 12"s.

Stephane

[nowherefast944]

Its pressing was accidental. The version was first pressed on a 7" test pressing but plans were changed and the 3:34 version was finally adopted for release, except on this accidental first batch of 12"s.

Stephane




thus explaining the rise in HKIMW 12" on ebay :(

[floodzonex]

mine is also RTT156 A3
What is the difference in A2 and A3?

[beyondLA]

Well, if this helps...

http://www.mediafire.com/?hlgg2dtj2es

[Oso Blanco]

Well, if this helps...

http://www.mediafire.com/?hlgg2dtj2es

:eek:

Where does this come from?

[beyondLA]

I've had this file since '99, downloaded from the original Napster, though I've updated the ID tag with lyrics and art.

The hiss and hicups on the track verify a vinyl source, the running time is 4:44. That's all I knew of this file for almost a decade... until I came about this lovely thread ;)

[Oso Blanco]

That's all I knew of this file for almost a decade... until I came about this lovely thread ;)

I guess we still don't know anything about the track you've uploaded, because the longer version Stephane was talking about is something completely different. Or did I miss anything?

His version is longer in the end, yours has a longer intro and a longer middle part and seems to be mixed differently. Very strange ... :confused:

[Oso Blanco]

I wonder why nobody has commented on your upload yet ... Stephane, are you there? Do you have any idea where it's from?

[Stephane]

I wonder why nobody has commented on your upload yet ... Stephane, are you there? Do you have any idea where it's from?

I haven't been away I'm still right here Where I always was... I don't know where it's from... I guess it's probably fan-made.

Stephane

[Oso Blanco]

I haven't been away I'm still right here Where I always was... I don't know where it's from... I guess it's probably fan-made.

Oh, too bad ... I thought it was genuine ... :(

[beyondLA]

A nearly decade-old mystery finally comes to a close.

Aw, nuts.

[Stephane]

A nearly decade-old mystery finally comes to a close.

There are tons of those on the internet. Not so much for the Smiths or Morrissey, but if you collected Depeche Mode, New Order or the Pet Shop Boys or I guess artists such as Madonna and all the dance stuff, it would be difficult to stay informed on what's official and what's not. With all the software available today you can go much further than just cut and paste like it used to be.

Stephane

[Oso Blanco]

I'm still not entirely convinced that it's fake. It sounds perfectly edited to me, could some amateur have done this ten years ago? And why would he have used a vinyl sourced version of that song? It would have made much more sense to rip it from a CD, since the sound would have been much better. Or was it to pretend that it's some lost vinyl promo version? Maybe it is? Nobody knew about the extended version that Stephane has discovered, so why shouldn't there be another rare item that got lost somehow?

[The Seeker of Good Songs]

Sorry I've been away from an internet connection for over 2 days now. I do have a mp3 of the extended version, I will put it up in the download section in a few days after I've caught up with other stuff I need to do.


Has this been uploaded? I did a quick search and didn't find it.

[Oso Blanco]

Has this been uploaded? I did a quick search and didn't find it.

The link (http://www.megaupload.com/fr/?d=A3FQ7PJP) can be found in this thread (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=85490).

[ALLIE WALLS]

Rushed home to look at my 12",(ooh err Missus),and mine says RTT156A2 , The B side is RTT156B1,should i jack my job in Stephane?

Alan