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Morrissey the 23rd

January 8, 2008, 04:20 PM

Murrays Press Poodles Lap Up Another 'Masterplan'
Written by Tuairim
Sunday, 06 January 2008
Someone wants to have a quiet word with David Murray. I mean really. Has hanging around with 007 really turned the man into Ernst Stavro Blofeld? There's no ugly facial scar and presumably the white cat only gets a stroking in the privacy of his undersea bunker. But if the Rangers chairman hasn't yet auditioned for a role made famous by Donald Pleasance and Tele Savalas, it's perhaps something he should consider. Murray's latest plans for world domination are right out of the plot of You only live Twice - and like the protagonist in that particular cinematic masterpiece - the cunning, ruthless and brilliant plan has been revealed to the world just a short time before it blows up in his face.

Does the man ever learn? Or more importantly, do the Scottish press? Is the lure of a free lamb dinner and a glass of the finest red really enough to dissolve any remaining shred of journalistic integrity possessed by the print media in this country? It was only a few short months ago that the plans to turn Ibrox into a Las Vegas-style Super casino, complete with hotels, entertainment complexes and a spanking new stadium - not to mention 2000 new jobs - were shelved forever. The grand proposals were launched under a fanfare of hype and publicity but the failure raised little more than an eyebrow when they inevitably bit the dust.

You have to give David Murray credit though. I mean the man can do no wrong. He walks on water. It doesn't matter that he steered Rangers to the brink of insolvency - a move only thwarted by the ridiculous revaluation of Ibrox. It makes no difference that he had to siphon £50m from his own parent company to plug the massive hole in Rangers accounts and ward off the bank. It doesn't matter that he had a seven year start on Fergus McCann, no stadium to build and still allowed Celtic to prosper and grow into the biggest and most successful club in Scotland. Sir David is a business genius and that's the end of it. Well sorry, but I beg to differ.

When the steel magnate purchased Rangers for just £6m in 1988, he acquired a club which – although just emerging from one of the most barren spells in its history – was built on relatively solid foundations and sound economics. But just over a decade later and despite significant outside investment from the likes of Dave King and Joe Lewis, Murray was perched precariously on the summit of £70m worth of final demands, staring blankly into the abyss. In 2004, the Ibrox chairman claimed he would ‘wipe out’ the club’s debt. Yet In 2008, despite the £55m rights issue and the sale of Rangers’ retail department to JJB - which included an initial cash injection of 18m - the clubs liabilities were touching 17m in July last year before any significant business was completed in the transfer market. That’s quite a feat when you think about it.

But it’s also understandable when you consider the nature of the empire which Murray holds the keys to. Rangers are an institution ingrained with a pompous and triumphalist mentality. They draw their strength from a well of anti catholic hatred and the notion that there is an inherent superiority between themselves and their Irish immigrant neighbours. When Glasgow won the rights to host the Commonwealth Games in 2014 - a move which will generate numerous benefits for the east end of Glasgow in particular and Celtic by extension - the Murray propaganda machine was clearly put into full swing.

Putting Timmy in their place has become the driving force behind Sir David’s time at the helm. There is a barely a signing Rangers make who didn't turn down Celtic. In the case of Scott Brown - or so Murray would claim - the Parkhead board were held to ransom and paid way over the odds - something Murray, for the first time in history it seems, refused to do. When Celtic announced a record breaking kit deal with Nike - Murray piped up to tell the Fenian upstarts that his deal with JJB was much, much better. In 1998, when Celtic Park was completed to become the biggest stadium in the UK, David could barely contain his anger before being talked out of a revamp of Ibrox by Dick Advocaat – who needed the money for Gabriel Amato, and Stephane Guiv'arch. When Celtic spent £6m on Chris Sutton to break the Scottish transfer record, Murray claimed he would spend a tenner for every fiver Celtic did. Months later Tore Andre Flo was brought to the club for £12m pounds - much to the hilarity of European football.

One audacious plan after another has been generated from the bowels of Ibrox in the last decade and few if any have done a single thing to move the club to this mythical ‘next level’ talked about by Ken Gallagher in his now infamous piece of pro-Rangers propaganda in March 2000. The investments by Dave King and Joe Lewis - which would make Rangers the great untouchables of Scottish Football as part of ‘Murray’s Blueprint’ - couldn't stop Martin O’Neill from cleaning up domestically and reaching the European final Murray and his momentous ego so desperately craved.

The Ready for the Future scheme, which required fans to stump up hundreds of pounds just to secure their own season tickets - and a fancy china plate - came and went. The link up with Australian club Northern Spirit - a move which would transform Rangers from a parochial Scottish football club to an internationally renowned brand - was barely mentioned after the ticker tape parade of publicity it received upon inception. The aforementioned Casino plans, the moonbeams promised with Paul Le Guen, the plan to sell Rangers youth players back to the club, the 10,000 seater reserve stadium complete with helipad, the conveyor belt of talent at Murray Park....the list is endless.

You could fill an encyclopedia with this type of Murray-esque bluster and nonsense. He's made an art form out of it and fair play to him. But that this latest pipe dream can't be seen for what it is - a sad little game of one-upmanship on the back of the scheme to regenerate the east end of Glasgow for the Commonwealth Games - is a damning indictment on the state of Sports Journalism in this country. The press poodles who hang onto the Rangers chairman's every word ought to be ashamed of themselves. They are a pack of nodding dogs waiting to be thrown a bone from the master's table. Like the Bond villains, the collapse of his latest scheme will do nothing to deter him – rest assured, the next cunning plan is already in the pipeline. But likes Zorin's balloon in a View to a Kill - it will be full of hot air

Morrissey the 23rd

January 9, 2008, 03:50 AM

Oh Willie Maley was his name,
He brought some great names to the game,
When he was the boss at Celtic Park.

Taught them how to play football,
He made the greatest of them all,
Gallagher and Quinn have left their mark.

And they gave us James McGrory and Paul McStay,
They gave us Johnstone, Tully, Murdoch, Auld and Hay,
And most of the football greats,
Have passed through Parkhead's gates,
All to play football the Glasgow Celtic way.

In '38 there was a show,
And Glasgow was the place to go,
A model of the Tower was football's prize.

England sent four of the best,
They didn't meet with much success,
Because the trophy ended up in Paradise.

And they gave us James McGrory and Paul McStay,
They gave us Johnstone, Tully, Murdoch, Auld and Hay,
And most of the football greats,
Have passed through Parkhead's gates,
All to play football the Glasgow Celtic way.

Well Coronation time was here,
Fifty three, that was the year,
Another four from England met their doom.

They said we'll have to try again,
But like before it was in vain,
Because the Cup is in the Parkhead trophy room.

And they gave us James McGrory and Paul McStay,
They gave us Johnstone, Tully, Murdoch, Auld and Hay,
And most of the football greats,
Have passed through Parkhead's gates,
All to play football the Glasgow Celtic way.

Well fourteen years had gone and so,
To Portugal we had to go,
To play the team that Italy adored.

Celtic went out to attack,
They won the Big Cup and they brought it back,
The first time it had been on British shores.

And they gave us James McGrory and Paul McStay,
They gave us Johnstone, Tully, Murdoch, Auld and Hay,
And most of the football greats,
Have passed through Parkhead's gates,
All to play football the Glasgow Celtic way.

Now 21 years to that day,
With pride, it's our Centenary,
And we're among the honours once again.

Six million pounds the huns did spend,
But Souness found it was in vain,
Because the Celtic are the Champions again.

And they gave us James McGrory and Paul McStay,
They gave us Johnstone, Tully, Murdoch, Auld and Hay,
And most of the football greats,
Have passed through Parkhead's gates,
All to play football the Glasgow Celtic way.

And now in 1995,
It feels good to be alive,
And we're about to celebrate again.

The fans all cry out for Pierre,
He rises up into the air,
And brings the Scottish Cup to Paradise.

And they gave us James McGrory and Paul McStay,
They gave us Johnstone, Tully, Murdoch, Auld and Hay,
And most of the football greats,
Have passed through Parkhead's gates,
All to play football the Glasgow Celtic way

Morrissey the 23rd

January 10, 2008, 02:04 AM

This Land is Your Land

This land is your land, this land is my land
From the northern highlands to the western islands
From the hills of Kerry to the streets of Free Derry
This land was made for you and me

(Chorus)

As I was walking by the Shannon water
Hand in hand with my little daughter
The church bells ringing, and the children singing
This land was made for you and me

(Chorus)

So I walked her home by the old church steeple
Proud of my country, proud of my people
Of the men who tried there, of the men who died there singing
This land is made for you and me

(Chorus)

Then I climbed a mountain, saw the crystal fountain
And heard a great roar from the rocky sea shore
Her eyes were gleaming, she cried oho Daddy
This land was made for you and me

Morrissey the 23rd

January 10, 2008, 06:41 AM

Short video of the Goals from the 19th of October 1957 Scottish Cup final when Celtic defeated Rangers by 7 goals to 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n7CxDwkaSo

Grim O'Grady

January 10, 2008, 06:47 AM

Short video of the Goals from the 19th of October 1957 Scottish Cup final when Celtic defeated Rangers by 7 goals to 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n7CxDwkaSo

eff me that 'Gers goal was a belter tho' eh?

love

Grim

Morrissey the 23rd

January 10, 2008, 11:08 AM

With a four leaf clover on my breast,
And the green and white upon my chest,
It’s such a joy for us to see,
For they play football the Celtic way.

VERSE

It’s been ten years, long time indeed,
We stood with pride and we took defeat,
Our beloved team, our ancient ground,
Has been rebuilt, a club reborn.

CHORUS

McCann he rode the winds of change,
And the things he brought will long remain,
A phoenix rising, a house of steel,
And 60,000 Celtic dreams.

CHORUS

The work is done and the stage is set,
The Celtic dream can now be met,
In a sea of dreams, we’re here today,
Lets sit and watch the Champions play.

gasmeter

January 10, 2008, 02:32 PM

Celtic or as they are known in these parts 'The lesser Greens '

Hibernian F.C 1st to wear the green

Celtic - taking Hibs rejects since 1888.

P.S can we have Riordan back ? You can keep Caldwell :D

Morrissey the 23rd

January 11, 2008, 06:19 AM

Celtic or as they are known in these parts 'The lesser Greens '

Hibernian F.C 1st to wear the green

Celtic - taking Hibs rejects since 1888.

P.S can we have Riordan back ? You can keep Caldwell :D

Cadwell is always played out of position and I think criticised too much.

Did you see the Derek Riordan sketch on 'Only an excuse' on Hogmanay? If not. I have posted links to the programme earlier in this thread. It's pretty funny. I think it answers your question too.

Hibs did well at Celtic park. Well done! I was right beside your fans at this game and it was nice to experience banter that wasn't vile.

December was a bad month for us. Hope it doesn't cost us the SPL.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_prem/7155380.stm

Morrissey the 23rd

January 12, 2008, 03:13 AM

WHAT IN BLUE HEAVENS:
http://www.etims.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2077&Itemid=29

gasmeter

January 12, 2008, 03:39 AM

Cadwell is always played out of position and I think criticised too much.

Did you see the Derek Riordan sketch on 'Only an excuse' on Hogmanay? If not. I have posted links to the programme earlier in this thread. It's pretty funny. I think it answers your question too.

Hibs did well at Celtic park. Well done! I was right beside your fans at this game and it was nice to experience banter that wasn't vile.

December was a bad month for us. Hope it doesn't cost us the SPL.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_prem/7155380.stm

I agree Caldwell does sometimes cop some unfair criticism , he did at Hibs too. What fans forget is he is playing in a very young back 4 and maybe he takes on too much responsibility.

Yeah I saw Only an excuse , the Riordan sketch was one of very few funny moments along with Maccas 'wild beaver ' and the Larkhall big drum banging gorilla :D

It's time they called it a day I reckon it's been piss poor for years .

Cheers , Peter.

P. s Any spare Sunderland tckts . I'm getting desperate .

girlunafraid

January 12, 2008, 06:09 AM

what a class quote Fight the media’s fiction with the truth.

Things are not what they’d like us to believe, fellow Troops in the Hoops. We must do what the press has failed to do in this case, and expose the lies for what they are. Based on the facts we have at hand. Judging by those, Morning in Govan it certainly is not.

In truth, it’s closer to midnight.

Keep the Faith.

The Future’s Bright. It’s Still Green & White.

love

Grim

Morrissey the 23rd

January 12, 2008, 12:09 PM

I agree Caldwell does sometimes cop some unfair criticism , he did at Hibs too. What fans forget is he is playing in a very young back 4 and maybe he takes on too much responsibility.

Yeah I saw Only an excuse , the Riordan sketch was one of very few funny moments along with Maccas 'wild beaver ' and the Larkhall big drum banging gorilla :D

It's time they called it a day I reckon it's been piss poor for years .

Cheers , Peter.

P. s Any spare Sunderland tckts . I'm getting desperate .

I'm not going to Sunderland but I'll let you know if I know of anybody with a spare.

gasmeter

January 14, 2008, 04:25 PM

That would be great , cheers .

Morrissey the 23rd

February 14, 2008, 05:19 AM

Celtic leapfrog Rangers in list of world's richest clubs:
http://sport.scotsman.com/celticfc/Celtic-leapfrog-Rangers-in-list.3776113.jp

Celtic are the only club amongst the world's top 20 for the 2006-7 season to come from outside the 'Big Five' leagues in England, Italy, Spain, Germany and France.

TOP 20 SOCCER TEAMS BY REVENUE, SEASON 2006-07

1. Real Madrid 351.0 ( Sales 2005-06 - EU MILLIONS) RANK 1
2. Manchester United 315.2 ( Sales 2005-06 - EU MILLIONS) RANK 4
3. Barcelona 290.1 ( Sales 2005-06 - EU MILLIONS) RANK 2
4. Chelsea 283.0 ( Sales 2005-06 - EU MILLIONS) RANK 6
5. Arsenal 263.9 ( Sales 2005-06 - EU MILLIONS) RANK 9
6. AC Milan 227.2 ( Sales 2005-06 - EU MILLIONS) RANK 5
7. Bayern Munich 223.3 ( Sales 2005-06 - EU MILLIONS) RANK 8
8. Liverpool 198.9 ( Sales 2005-06 - EU MILLIONS) RANK 10
9. Inter Milan 195.0 ( Sales 2005-06 - EU MILLIONS) RANK 7
10. Roma 157.6 ( Sales 2005-06 - EU MILLIONS) RANK 12
11. Tottenham 153.1 ( Sales 2005-06 - EU MILLIONS) RANK 15
12. Juventus 145.2 ( Sales 2005-06 - EU MILLIONS) RANK 3
13. Lyon 140.6 ( Sales 2005-06 - EU MILLIONS) RANK 11
14. Newcastle 129.4 ( Sales 2005-06 - EU MILLIONS) RANK 13
15. Hamburg 120.4 ( Sales 2005-06 - EU MILLIONS) RANK 16
16. Schalke 114.3 ( Sales 2005-06 - EU MILLIONS) RANK 14
17. Celtic 111.8 ( Sales 2005-06 - EU MILLIONS) RANK n/a
18. Valencia 107.6 ( Sales 2005-06 - EU MILLIONS) RANK n/a
19. Marseille 99.0 ( Sales 2005-06 - EU MILLIONS) RANK n/a
20. Werder Bremen 97.3 ( Sales 2005-06 - EU MILLIONS) RANK n/a

lovemorrissey

February 14, 2008, 10:04 AM

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i184/luvmorrissey/untitled1.jpg

Jukebox Jury

February 14, 2008, 10:51 AM

Hugh,
You will be £10 poorer when Glasgow Rangers win the SPL this season. You can pay me now if you like, Morrissey's Greatest Hits is £9.77 in Asda so that would be good timing.;)

Jukebox Jury

Morrissey the 23rd

February 14, 2008, 03:10 PM

It is great to see the currant buns coming out of the woodwork. Doesn't happen much because they don't often get the chance. I'll love it even more when they crawl back in.

They have still to play us three times. The only time league position will matter is when every club has played 38 matches.

Did you see the mighty Rangers last night.:D 4-5-1 at home? Funnier still, it was McCulloch up front.

You seem confident. Want to double or treble the bet?

Jukebox Jury

February 14, 2008, 04:28 PM

Did you see the mighty Rangers last night.:D 4-5-1 at home? Funnier still, it was McCulloch up front.

You seem confident. Want to double or treble the bet?

Did they play last night? No idea, such is the irrelevance.....
Hugh, the SPL is usually over well before the end of 38 games - sometimes before Easter!

Jukebox Jury

ThisCharmingGirl

February 14, 2008, 08:38 PM

Ready With Ready-Wit

February 14, 2008, 08:42 PM

http://soccerpatch.com/MEXICO/P_ClubAmericaMex.jpg

:cool:

Morrissey the 23rd

February 15, 2008, 02:27 AM

Did they play last night? No idea, such is the irrelevance.....
Hugh, the SPL is usually over well before the end of 38 games - sometimes before Easter!

Jukebox Jury

Does that mean you want to double, treble the bet or are you not confident about your claims? It gives me great pleasure to take money from someone so parochial. Your insular views of the world is my gain of your English pound coins. What do you say we make it a £50 bet?;)

Remember when Man City were doing well at the start of the EPL campaign, I offered to bet you any amount you liked that they wouldn't win it. Now, you declined that because even you knew it was silly to think Man City had any chance of winning the EPL.

Rangers are four points ahead of Celtic (and still to play them three times) and you think they're the dog's bollocks. Just because we haven't bagged it by Hallowean again this year, doesn't mean it isn't in the bag.

PS It isn't Easter yet but everybody knows Man City wont win the EPL. It's a two horse race yet again.

I know you are still on a high from beating Manure. I'll take this opportunity to tell you that I have since seen highlights and neither of City’s goals were very impressive. They came more from good luck and poor defending.

You are going to need a lot more luck for Rangers to win the league.

So what's the bet? £10, £20, £30 or £50?

Please

February 15, 2008, 02:34 AM

Morrissey the 23rd

February 15, 2008, 02:45 AM

Yet several places below Spurs :guitar:

That is because of TV money. This may be the last year you see a Scottish club in the Top 20.

At least until the TV broadcasters form a Super league.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/scotland/article3372308.ece

Morrissey the 23rd

February 16, 2008, 09:26 AM

Real Celts don't buy The Record

http://www.dailyhun.co.uk/

Jukebox Jury

February 16, 2008, 11:56 AM

Does that mean you want to double, treble the bet or are you not confident about your claims? It gives me great pleasure to take money from someone so parochial. Your insular views of the world is my gain of your English pound coins. What do you say we make it a £50 bet?;)

Remember when Man City were doing well at the start of the EPL campaign, I offered to bet you any amount you liked that they wouldn't win it. Now, you declined that because even you knew it was silly to think Man City had any chance of winning the EPL.

Rangers are four points ahead of Celtic (and still to play them three times) and you think they're the dog's bollocks. Just because we haven't bagged it by Hallowean again this year, doesn't mean it isn't in the bag.

PS It isn't Easter yet but everybody knows Man City wont win the EPL. It's a two horse race yet again.

I know you are still on a high from beating Manure. I'll take this opportunity to tell you that I have since seen highlights and neither of City’s goals were very impressive. They came more from good luck and poor defending.

You are going to need a lot more luck for Rangers to win the league.

So what's the bet? £10, £20, £30 or £50?

Hugh
I dont think Glasgow Rangers are the dogs bollocks. I dont have an opinion on them in any way, shape or form as I have not seen them play this season (or for many a season!)
As for the bet, to be honest, for me it is not about the money, if I win I wouldn't even accept it, it'll be worth it just to see your silent face:D
I'm happy to pay out though should Glasgow Celtic win the SPL.

As for City, I apologise that the goals scored were not very impressive by your standards, I didn't realise for a goal to 'count' it had to be spectacular. I look forward to watching the BBC News tonight, before MOTD when they show the obligatory 6 seconds worth of highlights from the SPL. I do hope for your sake that Glasgow Celtic score spectacular goals and that it wont be poor defending that enables Glasgow Celtic to score.

Jukebox Jury

Kilt Uncle

February 16, 2008, 03:24 PM

@ Morrissey the 23rd. I'm surprised that Celtic have such big profits! That must mean that the poor catholic families aren't quite getting the charity they received in the past. Nice to see that the club is still sticking to its traditions, which were admirable, though a long-long time ago it seems..:)

Just as greedy as these vile protestants they're always complaining about.

And you're STILL 4 points behind..:)

Jukebox Jury

February 16, 2008, 11:03 PM

Hugh
I watched the BBC1 news before MOTD and sure enough, during the obligatory SPL 6 second slot, they showed Glasgow Celtic scoring a goal. Very unspectacular too. Ball came across and some bloke sticks his leg out ala Peter Crouch and the ball deflects into the back of the net. Woopie doo.
I'm going to write to the BBC and ask why they dont show any coverage on the news from that other equally irrelevant celtic (that's pronounced Keltic) Premier League, in Wales.:confused:

Jukebox Jury

Morrissey the 23rd

February 17, 2008, 09:47 PM

Hugh
I dont think Glasgow Rangers are the dogs bollocks. I dont have an opinion on them in any way, shape or form as I have not seen them play this season (or for many a season!)
As for the bet, to be honest, for me it is not about the money, if I win I wouldn't even accept it, it'll be worth it just to see your silent face:D
I'm happy to pay out though should Glasgow Celtic win the SPL.

As for City, I apologise that the goals scored were not very impressive by your standards, I didn't realise for a goal to 'count' it had to be spectacular. I look forward to watching the BBC News tonight, before MOTD when they show the obligatory 6 seconds worth of highlights from the SPL. I do hope for your sake that Glasgow Celtic score spectacular goals and that it wont be poor defending that enables Glasgow Celtic to score.

Jukebox Jury

The graffiti on the wall says, 'We're magic! We're magic!'

Beautifull Celtic goal after 26 passes against Hearts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaOSo12u5Y8

Highlights from the game this weekend from world famous Celtic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ-xSnlcWkk

PS I'll take your money too Kilt Uncle and I'll give my winnings to kickoutbigotry.

http://www.kickoutbigotry.org/

Jukebox Jury

February 18, 2008, 12:41 AM

The graffiti on the wall says, 'We're magic! We're magic!'

Beautifull Celtic goal after 26 passes against Hearts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaOSo12u5Y8

Highlights from the game this weekend from world famous Celtic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ-xSnlcWkk

PS I'll take your money too Kilt Uncle and I'll give my winnings to kickoutbigotry.

http://www.kickoutbigotry.org/

Can you send us the youtube links to the SPL leaders, Glasgow Rangers, victory against Kilmarnock?

Jukebox Jury

Pervomartovtsi

February 18, 2008, 12:56 AM

there is a FC in Chile , Talca Rangers

http://www.primerab.cl/sitio/images/stories/estadisticas/2007_rangers_matriz_3.jpg

they are awful

Morrissey the 23rd

March 27, 2008, 03:32 AM

Rest is for losers:

Days ahead of the most important league fixture of the season, Stephen McManus, Gary Caldwell, Artur Boruc, Paul Hartley, Scott Brown and Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink all represented their countries.

On Saturday they play Rangers, who due to mass call-offs were represented in international football only by 15 minutes of Kris Boyd (and they complain about having too many games). Barry Ferguson, Christian Dailly, Lee McCulloch and Allan McGregor all fained injury.

Gers players must have extremely serious, dead bad, really, really sore injuries to withdraw from the Scotland squad:
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/sport/display.var.2147619.0.only_an_excuse_scotlands_fun niest_football_column_with_jonathan_watson_philip_ differ.php

Ally McCoist, the Rangers assistant manager, last night revealed that the four Rangers players who pulled out of the Scotland squad for last night's friendly against Croatia should all be fit for Saturday's Old Firm match at Ibrox. What a surprise! Will the Scottish Football Association invoke the Fifa rule that would allow them to prevent these players taking part at Ibrox? Of course not! That wouldn't help Rangers win the league. An SFA objective.

Scotland is a messed up country.

Lyon visited Ibrox in December after Rangers engineered an unprecidented break for their players and proved that rests are for losers. After opening their Champions League group with two wins, Rangers convinced many they were hot favourites to qualify for the tournament’s knock out stage, but planning to rest became planning to lose as they tumbled out of the tournament.

Rangers fixture problem echoes Celtic’s from ‘70s; no league extension was ruled:

In 1971 when Celtic were neck-and-neck with Aberdeen, the Scottish Football League took the decision not to extend the league (correctly, we were told by all at the time), as this would be the league making a legislative change in favour of Celtic.

With five days of the league season left, Celtic were forced to play three games: against St Mirren on Tuesday, 27 April, Ayr United on Thursday, 29 April and Clyde on Saturday, 1 May; winning the league by two points before dismissing Rangers in the Scottish Cup final for good measure.

The league cannot introduce a legislative change which would affect the competitive chances of one club over another. If Rangers are good enough, they will win the league; without any outside help. As always, we can only ask that Rangers are dealt with in the same manner Celtic were in the past.

Here is a link to Peter Lawwell’s robust comments opposing the SPL potentially extending the season to provide Rangers with recovery time between their games: http://www.celticfc.net/news/stories/news_210308151302.aspx

As well as the fixture congestion from 1971, Celtic also suffered in 1974 when they were forced them to play and incredible three games in four days.

After returning home from a European Cup semi final in Madrid on Thursday 25 April, Celtic played league games against Falkirk on Saturday 27 April, Aberdeen on Monday, 29 April and Morton the next day, Tuesday 30 April. They won the league, their ninth in succession, by four points from Hibernian.

Celtic finished that week at Hampden, with another Scottish Cup win.

Is it only Celtic who can be asked to play three games in four days on the back of a European semi final? Rangers must accept whatever fixture burden their success thrusts upon them and the SPL must show no partiality (which could determine the destination of the league) in arranging fixtures.

The FA Premier League had four full league programmes in the week between Monday 26 December 2005 and Monday 2 January 2006.

The experience was not fatal. On 3 January 2006, the sun rose in the east and set in the west; Chelsea played games on all four dates and went on to win the league.

Rangers could be allowed nine days, Saturday to the following Sunday to play four games; extending the league to help their players prepare for the rigours of competition would be preposterous; it would be akin to administering THG by committee.

To get away with extending the season would be cheating.

Bearing in mind one SPL club owner claims to have 80% of the Scottish media in his pocket, it will be interesting to see how the media report and try to influence the SPL board’s decision on fixture arrangements.

The FA Premier League had four full league programmes in the nine days from Sunday 26 December 2004 to Monday 3 January 2005.

The country lived through the experience. On 4 January 2005, people returned to work, some socialised as though nothing had happened. Chelsea played games on all four dates and went on to win the league.

Rangers could be allowed the same period, Saturday to the following Sunday, to play four games; extending the league to help Rangers get ready for important games would be cheating.

Celtic planning Japan tour:
http://www.tribalfootball.com/article.php?id=84883

Celtic clarify Japanese tour story:
http://www.celticfc.net/news/stories/news_260308152325.aspx

Mizuno sees bright Celtic future after belated first appearance:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/scottish/mizuno-sees-bright-celtic-future-after-belated-first-appearance-801105.html

Dougal, scourge of SFA appeals board, to referee Ibrox game:

The SPL have appointed Stuart Dougal to referee Saturday’s enormously important league game at Ibrox.

In November an embittered Dougal launched an attack on the integrity of the SFA appeals board, chaired by Lord McLean, after it halved a touchline band handed out to Gordon Strachan.

After the hearing, Dougal said, “When you start having lawyers and lords against a humble referee, we can’t compete.

"In simple terms, there was sufficient doubt put into the minds of Lord McLean and his colleagues on the appeals board by Celtic's solicitor.”

Dougal is the only SFA referee ever to suggest the appeals board chairman was acting against him and after his November outburst I expected Dougal’s career to drift towards obscurity.

We can only hope no residue of resentment exists towards the Celtic manager and conspiracy theorists are proven wrong when "things even themselves out" on Saturday, as I am sure they will.

Much was made of Strachan exchange with the Aberdeen steward. The SFA swiftly handed him a 4 match ban. What do they deal out to Walter for his assault? A 2 match ban. No wonder he isn't appealing. It's also no wonder to me why little has been said about this. Bigotry and bias is something you learn when you live in Scotland. For this reason, Smith's long history of aggression and violence can continue, as long as he's the manager of Scotland's most loved club (From within Scotland).

The daily rectum, michief making as always:

The Scottish rag reported Arthur Boruc wants away from Celtic and Bayern Munich are preparing a '£10M swoop' to buy him as Oliver Kahn's replacement. They reported that goalkeeping coach Sepp Maier had watched Boruc.

Bayern have denied it. "There is absolutely nothing in the story." Hoeness stressed. "It's a strange story. Sepp Maier wasn't there (in Scotland). From beginning to end, there is no truth in it.". Bayern chairman Karl-Heinz Rummenigge described the story as "complete nonsense", and said: "It's grotesque to think Sepp Maier is looking for a goalkeeper for Jurgen Klinsmann (who becomes Bayern boss next season). We certainly won't be spending £13m on another keeper."

The chairman always gets his man. Aye right!:
http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5g63Axfh7nwcEo7l-cvlGr8Zh7u1Q

This is a MUST read

A paranoid Celt?:
http://www.keep-the-faith.net/20080321/story6.html

Humour or too close to the truth to be funny:

I can now confirm plans by the SPL to let Rangers play at least 5 of their league games from this season in 2009.

In a statement to be released tomorrow David Murray stated "This is the right move. I think it would have been unfair if Rangers had to play under the same league rules as everyone else. It's something we're not used to. It should never happen."

Echoing this comment an SPL spokesperson said: "Hopefully the great teddy-bears can now win it all. After all they were here first and we are the people. Bob Malcolm was right"

Asked about fairness Lex Gold said, "Well, life isn't fair is it?", adding, "Good luck to The Rangers."

THE BBC has apologised after a Radio Scotland presenter read out an email on the channel's Newsdrive programme last week saying Ibrox is home to "half-human, half-animal hybrids".
At the end of a debate on human embryos, presenters Ruth Davidson and Abeer Macintyre read out listeners' emails. One of the comments stated: "Half-human, half-animal hybrids are not new – Ibrox has been their home for over a century."

The comment went unchallenged prompting a deluge of complaints from livid Rangers supporters. A BBC Scotland spokesman said: "We agree it wasn't a very constructive contribution to the debate and apologise for any offence caused."

It's not the first time the BBC has been in hot water with Rangers fans.

Two years ago, BBC weather girl and Kilmarnock fan Kirsty McCabe advised viewers to "wrap up warm if they are heading for Castle Greyskull" in a dig at Ibrox.

Jukebox Jury

March 27, 2008, 10:43 AM

Hugh,
That money you owe me for the o2 ticket, do you want to add the tenner from the bet onto the cheque? Saves you posting me another one in a few weeks time;)

Jukebox Jury

Morrissey the 23rd

March 27, 2008, 12:30 PM

Hugh,
That money you owe me for the o2 ticket, do you want to add the tenner from the bet onto the cheque? Saves you posting me another one in a few weeks time;)

Jukebox Jury

I say I pay the ticket in full and you give my winnings to the SLC.

Needless to say, the Scottish media, dedicated professionals to a man and all committed to accuracy, honesty, impariallity and truth, did not ask too many difficult, potentially embarrassing questions to Ally 'the card' McCoist last night.

His patriotism without peer cannot be questioned. Well, apart from abandoning his country in the midst of a campaign to reach a major tournament but you'd be silly to expect to see any talk of that! Have there been any other international managers who have done that?

George Burley said he expected "quite a number" of the Rangers sick list to be sidelined on Saturday.

Well, it seems cheating FC's international commitment dodgers have all recovered overnight.

Morrissey the 23rd

March 28, 2008, 10:08 PM

Fit Celtic player declared unfit by SFA. Anything to do with 'Old firm' bias?

It's hard to support Scotland. Such a divided, bitter country.

http://sport.scotsman.com/sport/SFA-stand-by--.3925949.jp

http://www.celtic.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=104596

McCoist said BEFORE the Scotland game he expected all four Rankers players to be fit for Saturday The Daily Rangers have never been keen on facts. Still.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/2008/03/28/celtic-want-answers-after-robson-sent-home-by-scotland-86908-20365466/

http://www.sportingo.com/football/a7875_there-celticrangers-game-coming-up-by-any-chance

Kilt Uncle

March 28, 2008, 10:10 PM

Albion

March 28, 2008, 10:23 PM

Just some friendly advice. There are more important things in life to get worked up about?

And you will be humped tomorrow!

What he said.

Soon enough the postponed games will be irrelevant.

Morrissey the 23rd

March 28, 2008, 10:29 PM

There must be zero tolerance of corruption in football, our national football association is not a billy-boys club.

Secret video explains Robson medical mystery:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJBmj7rGVgQ

Jukebox Jury

March 29, 2008, 01:22 PM

Half time
This is Hugh - :tears::tears::tears:

This is Jukebox Jury full in the knowledge that a tenner is coming his way:cool::cool::guitar::guitar:

Jukebox Jury

HIM

March 29, 2008, 02:13 PM

His patriotism without peer cannot be questioned. Well, apart from abandoning his country [...]

http://smokebelch.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/celtic.jpg

scottish patriotism at parkhead.

novel.

Jukebox Jury

March 29, 2008, 03:18 PM

[CENTER]

scottish patriotism at parkhead.

novel.

....and not a patch of tartan or St Andrews cross / Union Flag insight:confused:

Jukebox Jury

Kilt Uncle

March 29, 2008, 03:46 PM

Just some friendly advice. There are more important things in life to get worked up about?

And you will be humped tomorrow!

Man, my predicting skills are getting better.

1-0 to the Gers, not so much a humping, more like a slow, boring intense shag and we came and Celtic didn't.

Bring on the excuses!

1.Protestant Conspiracy.
2.Masonic Conspiracy.
3.Combined Protestant/Masonic conspiracy.
4.The weak dollar/Turmoil in the money markets.
5.They started before we were ready.

League Cup winners, 6 points clear in the league with a game in hand, still in the UEFA cup and still in the Scottish cup. And man we are a boring team to watch!

Football is fun..:)

Jukebox Jury

March 29, 2008, 03:55 PM

6 points clear in the league with a game in hand

The easiest tenner I have ever earned.....:D

Kilt Uncle, like you, I await the excuses and the links to how Celtic fans behaved better than Rangers fans in Barcelona, as if somehow that gets them extra points in the SPL or further in Europe:rolleyes:
By the way, you missed off 'Rangers players pulling out of international friendly games' as an excuse too;)

Jukebox Jury

Kilt Uncle

March 29, 2008, 04:17 PM

The easiest tenner I have ever earned.....:D

Kilt Uncle, like you, I await the excuses and the links to how Celtic fans behaved better than Rangers fans in Barcelona, as if somehow that gets them extra points in the SPL or further in Europe:rolleyes:

Jukebox Jury

Well, there was a story during the week about Celtic fans singing sectarian songs while in Barcelona and that UEFA may be investigating it. Probably a rogue Rangers supporter plying the Celtic angels with buckfast and threatening them with instant death unless they sang something which may cause offence..:) Probably Ian Paisley dressed as a French Maid promising 'extras' if they help the protestant cause..:)

I don't know, people take this stuff very seriously but it's obvious to me that all clubs have their idiotic elements who spoil it for the majority.

Today was great though. Very orgasmic..:)

HIM

March 29, 2008, 05:03 PM

....and not a patch of tartan or St Andrews cross / Union Flag insight:confused:

Jukebox Jury

it's lucky you were here to welly that one well & truly into the back of the net.

Man, my predicting skills are getting better.

1-0 to the Gers, not so much a humping, more like a slow, boring intense shag and we came and Celtic didn't.

Bring on the excuses!

1.Protestant Conspiracy.
2.Masonic Conspiracy.
3.Combined Protestant/Masonic conspiracy.
4.The weak dollar/Turmoil in the money markets.
5.They started before we were ready.

i think the n.m.e. may also be implicated.

Albion

March 29, 2008, 05:47 PM

Well, there was a story during the week about Celtic fans singing sectarian songs while in Barcelona and that UEFA may be investigating it. Probably a rogue Rangers supporter plying the Celtic angels with buckfast and threatening them with instant death unless they sang something which may cause offence..:) Probably Ian Paisley dressed as a French Maid promising 'extras' if they help the protestant cause..

It was the infamous Juan Ghuy.

Morrissey the 23rd

March 29, 2008, 09:30 PM

Kilt Uncle

March 29, 2008, 10:46 PM

Todays result means a poor Cheating FC side will probably win the SPL.

Failing to score is costing us dearly. As did man of the match - Stuart McDougal.

In the 21st minute, Whittaker fouled Scott Brown in the box. The ball was then carried over the goal-line by the fully fit McGergor. Result - Celtic stonewall penalty denied, no red card for Whittaker, Rangers awarded goal kick and Vennegoor booked.

Injury time of 3 minutes was played. This was made up of five 2nd half subs (5 x 30secs) plus 3mins 38 secs stopage time for treatment of cheat Kevin Thompson, for his self-inflicted injury. This cheat was already on a yellow card when he dived. Why was he not given a red for cheating? Just as Darchevialle wasn't punished for diving. We all already know. We can carry on pretending that bigotry in Scotland is a conspiricy and that things even themselves out.

Just because laptop loyalist Alan Carson from The Hun says Celtic fans are about to be punished by UEFA does not make it true.

Carry on. Don't let facts get in the way.

You see the scary thing is, i think you actually believe all that stuff. You see Bigotry in Scotland manifests and manifested itself in the fact that poor catholic families were treated like crap, given the worst jobs, the worst housing conditions, paid peanuts, they weren't given jobs because they didn't go to the 'correct' schools and they were treated like second class citizens. THAT, my friend is the manifestation of bigotry where it really matters, i don't think that a multi-million pound football club suffered quite the same, do you?

The way that you take the real problems of bigotry and apply them to your football team is pathetic.

If there is a masonic conspiracy against your club why do you even bother competing? Why are Celtic spending millions on players when they already know that they won't win the league? More money wasted that could be going to those poor catholic families. And this conspiracy you speak of isn't very successful is it? Celtic have won just about the same amount of trophies as Rangers, how can that possibly happen if all the referees and officials are against you? If i was you i'd get on the phone to the chairman, Mr Ried - the guy who trouped into the lobbies at Westminster and voted for the illegal, immoral war, and tell him that you shouldn't bother putting out any money because there's not a hope in hell of the team winning anything while this public, masonic conspiracy to deprive the team of trophies, continues to exist.

I think you're the man for the job.

And Scotland isn't a bitter, divided country. It only is to people who don't realise it's not the 1970's any more and things have changed and they are constantly changing. And the sooner we get rid of Organised Religion and the bullshit it perpetuates, the better. And that includes the bullshit perpetuated by Old Firm fans and the so-called conspiraces that seems to deprive Rangers and Celtic of success, even though they've just about won EVERY trophy in the history of Scottish football between them since the dawn of time. Yes, we have paranoid tossers at Rangers too.

It's time to evolve.

gasmeter

March 30, 2008, 01:05 AM

Morrissey the 23rd

March 30, 2008, 09:15 AM

Err , Any chance you two could let us win just one measly Scottish cup ?

:D

Hibs won the Scottish cup in 1887 and 1902. Isn't that enough?

Albion

March 30, 2008, 05:11 PM

Todays result means a poor Cheating FC side will probably win the SPL.

Failing to score is costing us dearly. As did man of the match - Stuart McDougal.

In the 21st minute, Whittaker fouled Scott Brown in the box. The ball was then carried over the goal-line by the fully fit McGergor. Result - Celtic stonewall penalty denied, no red card for Whittaker, Rangers awarded goal kick and Vennegoor booked.

Injury time of 3 minutes was played. This was made up of five 2nd half subs (5 x 30secs) plus 3mins 38 secs stopage time for treatment of cheat Kevin Thompson, for his self-inflicted injury. This cheat was already on a yellow card when he dived. Why was he not given a red for cheating? Just as Darcheville wasn't punished for diving. We all already know. We can carry on pretending that bigotry in Scotland is a conspiricy and that things even themselves out.

Just because laptop loyalist Alan Carson from The Hun says Celtic fans are about to be punished by UEFA does not make it true.

Carry on. Don't let facts get in the way.

Ignoring the fact that two of Celtic's players should have been sent off, but weren't.

Have Celtic ever lost a game fair and square? At least you can always fall back on your moral victories. :D

The Car Park Awaits

You see the scary thing is, i think you actually believe all that stuff. You see Bigotry in Scotland manifests and manifested itself in the fact that poor catholic families were treated like crap, given the worst jobs, the worst housing conditions, paid peanuts, they weren't given jobs because they didn't go to the 'correct' schools and they were treated like second class citizens. THAT, my friend is the manifestation of bigotry where it really matters, i don't think that a multi-million pound football club suffered quite the same, do you?

The way that you take the real problems of bigotry and apply them to your football team is pathetic.

If there is a masonic conspiracy against your club why do you even bother competing? Why are Celtic spending millions on players when they already know that they won't win the league? More money wasted that could be going to those poor catholic families. And this conspiracy you speak of isn't very successful is it? Celtic have won just about the same amount of trophies as Rangers, how can that possibly happen if all the referees and officials are against you? If i was you i'd get on the phone to the chairman, Mr Ried - the guy who trouped into the lobbies at Westminster and voted for the illegal, immoral war, and tell him that you shouldn't bother putting out any money because there's not a hope in hell of the team winning anything while this public, masonic conspiracy to deprive the team of trophies, continues to exist.

I think you're the man for the job.

And Scotland isn't a bitter, divided country. It only is to people who don't realise it's not the 1970's any more and things have changed and they are constantly changing. And the sooner we get rid of Organised Religion and the bullshit it perpetuates, the better. And that includes the bullshit perpetuated by Old Firm fans and the so-called conspiraces that seems to deprive Rangers and Celtic of success, even though they've just about won EVERY trophy in the history of Scottish football between them since the dawn of time. Yes, we have paranoid tossers at Rangers too.

It's time to evolve.

Please don't bring sense into this thread. He's evidently unable to comprehend it.

Morrissey the 23rd

March 30, 2008, 07:39 PM

You see the scary thing is, i think you actually believe all that stuff. You see Bigotry in Scotland manifests and manifested itself in the fact that poor catholic families were treated like crap, given the worst jobs, the worst housing conditions, paid peanuts, they weren't given jobs because they didn't go to the 'correct' schools and they were treated like second class citizens. THAT, my friend is the manifestation of bigotry where it really matters, i don't think that a multi-million pound football club suffered quite the same, do you?

The way that you take the real problems of bigotry and apply them to your football team is pathetic.

If there is a masonic conspiracy against your club why do you even bother competing? Why are Celtic spending millions on players when they already know that they won't win the league? More money wasted that could be going to those poor catholic families. And this conspiracy you speak of isn't very successful is it? Celtic have won just about the same amount of trophies as Rangers, how can that possibly happen if all the referees and officials are against you? If i was you i'd get on the phone to the chairman, Mr Ried - the guy who trouped into the lobbies at Westminster and voted for the illegal, immoral war, and tell him that you shouldn't bother putting out any money because there's not a hope in hell of the team winning anything while this public, masonic conspiracy to deprive the team of trophies, continues to exist.

I think you're the man for the job.

And Scotland isn't a bitter, divided country. It only is to people who don't realise it's not the 1970's any more and things have changed and they are constantly changing. And the sooner we get rid of Organised Religion and the bullshit it perpetuates, the better. And that includes the bullshit perpetuated by Old Firm fans and the so-called conspiraces that seems to deprive Rangers and Celtic of success, even though they've just about won EVERY trophy in the history of Scottish football between them since the dawn of time. Yes, we have paranoid tossers at Rangers too.

It's time to evolve.

The tosser comment and subsequently yourself should have been ignored for writing that towards me.

You pretend bigotry doesn't exist or at least have a blinkered view that it is ok at certain levels. The flute bands didn't stop marching in the '70's and bigotry is alive and kicking today. Only yesterday somebody had their throat slit for wearing a Celtic top.

We can both wish religion did not play a part in Scottish football or society but it does.

I hate how Celtic and Rangers are lumped together under the collective term 'Old firm'. They are two separate entities. It's laughable to talk of a anti-Rangers conspiracy. You could expand on that if you wish. It shouldn't take long. Celtic fans generally avoid the term 'old firm' to distance themselves from Rangers. The term is often used against Celtic by lumping us togther with problems concerning them. This article from 'Scotland on Sunday' today demonstrates that a little:

Tom English: Robson: The intriguing riddle of Scotland's fifth man

'ONE BARRY Robson, there's only one Barry Robson". Actually, there are two. There must be. How else can we explain the comments of Gordon Strachan and George Burley last week? This character they both spoke of; crocked in the Cameron House hotel one minute and galloping around Celtic's training ground at Lennoxtown like a man possessed the next. Can't have been the same person, can it?

Strachan says Robson was good to go for Wednesday night's friendly against Croatia; Burley says he wasn't. Burley talked about a knee injury that Robson picked up playing against Gretna last weekend, a blow diagnosed by his medical team, Professor Stewart Hillis and Dr John MacLean, and deemed sufficiently severe to have him sent home to nurse his wound. No 'we'll monitor it over the next 24 hours' and no 'we'll give him every chance to prove his fitness'. No, it was cut and dried. Robson hadn't a prayer of making a recovery in time.

Strachan said he knew nothing about any wound, any injury. His player was "100% fit" he said. The Celtic manager was confused. He scrunched up his face in that way of his and seemed to be wondering, "Robbo? A knee? When? And if he's injured, who's that guy out there sprinting around like a lunatic? Barry, is that really you?"

In the mid-1960s, Muhammad Ali hit Sonny Liston with a punch that nobody saw. Knocked the Big Ugly Bear clean out. He called it the Phantom Punch. Everybody believed that Liston took a dive but Ali fought that talk with everything he had. "I hit so fast I switch off the light and I'm in bed before it's dark," he said. "Wanna see how fast the Phantom Punch is? (Ali stands still and doesn't move a muscle for five seconds) Wanna see it again?"

When did Robson's phantom blow land? Right under Strachan's nose apparently. Right there while he was looking on at Almondvale last Sunday afternoon. Happened after about 10 minutes apparently. Strachan missed it. Fancy that. He'd only 11 men to keep an eye on and he couldn't spot that one of them was struggling with a dodgy knee. This problem was contagious, clearly. The medical staff alongside Strachan in the dugout also didn't see anything untoward about Robson's movement. Neither, it has to be said, did Robson himself. How extraordinary it must have been for him to turn up at the Scotland camp only to be told that not only was he not fit but that he wouldn't be fit in three days' time either.

"What's the problem, doc?"

"It's your knee, son. Look at the state of it."

"Feels okay to me."

"It's like a balloon, man. You cannae play with that."

"Er, really?"

This is a curious business. We read about the controversy of the Old Firm Five last week but, really, there were only four of them. The cases of Barry Ferguson, Lee McCulloch, Christian Dailly and Allan McGregor were altogether different to Robson's. This is surely one of the first instances in the history of friendly international matches where a club offers the services of a player and the country rejects him on the grounds of an alleged dubious injury. This is so back to front it's hard to fathom.

The theories on this are obvious ones. Scotland sent a Celtic man home so as to dilute the effect of all those Rangers guys withdrawing. Hence, it could be billed as the Old Firm Five pulling out and not the Rangers Four. We don't know if that's true or not but it's a hair-raising take on things and not an unreasonable one. Strachan has done nothing to downplay his suspicions in all of this and the SFA have done nothing to quash those suspicions. They say they're waiting for an official complaint from Celtic on the matter. Then they'll investigate.

The Record broke this story on Friday. They sold it as "Celts fury at Robson SFA Riddle". The Celtic hierarchy were said to be furious and demanding an explanation as to why Robson exited the Scotland squad "against his will". We will see just how furious Celtic are. My guess is that they are angry but that they won't make a huge deal of this. Life's too short and all that. And the season's at too critical a point to be sidetracked by issues such as this.

Maybe they will go to war, but I doubt it. If they don't, that shouldn't be the end of it. The SFA ought to be asking a few discreet questions in the background after this. Burley, for one, may be wondering what the hell is going on. He has his medical staff telling him Robson is unfit and Strachan telling the country the opposite. He has the ludicrous spectacle of a player with much to offer being shunted while supposedly pleading to be left to stay in camp and prove that he is ready to play.

A small point here: if Celtic were happy for Robson to stay and Robson was happy to stay, what harm was there in allowing him to stay? Where was the downside? Wasn't Monday a little premature to be making definite calls on his fitness if Celtic were in no mad rush to have him back?

Scottish football is the subject of more storms and furies and outrages than you can shake a stick at and most of them are overblown pieces of nonsense. This is an intriguing one, though. The conflict in opinion on Robson's state of health needs resolving. Somebody is out of line here. And if Celtic don't take the lead in this matter the SFA shouldn't see that as their cue to bury it.

HIM

March 30, 2008, 07:53 PM

The tosser comment and subsequently yourself should have been ignored for writing that towards me.

You pretend bigotry doesn't exist or at least have a blinkered view that it is ok at certain levels. The flute bands didn't stop marching in the '70's and bigotry is alive and kicking today. Only yesterday somebody had their throat slit for wearing a Celtic top.

We can both wish religion did not play a part in Scottish football or society but it does.

I hate how Celtic and Rangers are lumped together under the collective term 'Old firm'. They are two separate entities. It's laughable to talk of a anti-Rangers conspiracy. You could expand on that if you wish. It shouldn't take long. Celtic fans generally avoid the term 'old firm' to distance themselves from Rangers. The term is often used against Celtic by lumping us togther with problems concerning them. This article from 'Scotland on Sunday' today demonstrates that a little:

Tom English: Robson: The intriguing riddle of Scotland's fifth man

'ONE BARRY Robson, there's only one Barry Robson". Actually, there are two. There must be. How else can we explain the comments of Gordon Strachan and George Burley last week? This character they both spoke of; crocked in the Cameron House hotel one minute and galloping around Celtic's training ground at Lennoxtown like a man possessed the next. Can't have been the same person, can it?

Strachan says Robson was good to go for Wednesday night's friendly against Croatia; Burley says he wasn't. Burley talked about a knee injury that Robson picked up playing against Gretna last weekend, a blow diagnosed by his medical team, Professor Stewart Hillis and Dr John MacLean, and deemed sufficiently severe to have him sent home to nurse his wound. No 'we'll monitor it over the next 24 hours' and no 'we'll give him every chance to prove his fitness'. No, it was cut and dried. Robson hadn't a prayer of making a recovery in time.

Strachan said he knew nothing about any wound, any injury. His player was "100% fit" he said. The Celtic manager was confused. He scrunched up his face in that way of his and seemed to be wondering, "Robbo? A knee? When? And if he's injured, who's that guy out there sprinting around like a lunatic? Barry, is that really you?"

In the mid-1960s, Muhammad Ali hit Sonny Liston with a punch that nobody saw. Knocked the Big Ugly Bear clean out. He called it the Phantom Punch. Everybody believed that Liston took a dive but Ali fought that talk with everything he had. "I hit so fast I switch off the light and I'm in bed before it's dark," he said. "Wanna see how fast the Phantom Punch is? (Ali stands still and doesn't move a muscle for five seconds) Wanna see it again?"

When did Robson's phantom blow land? Right under Strachan's nose apparently. Right there while he was looking on at Almondvale last Sunday afternoon. Happened after about 10 minutes apparently. Strachan missed it. Fancy that. He'd only 11 men to keep an eye on and he couldn't spot that one of them was struggling with a dodgy knee. This problem was contagious, clearly. The medical staff alongside Strachan in the dugout also didn't see anything untoward about Robson's movement. Neither, it has to be said, did Robson himself. How extraordinary it must have been for him to turn up at the Scotland camp only to be told that not only was he not fit but that he wouldn't be fit in three days' time either.

"What's the problem, doc?"

"It's your knee, son. Look at the state of it."

"Feels okay to me."

"It's like a balloon, man. You cannae play with that."

"Er, really?"

This is a curious business. We read about the controversy of the Old Firm Five last week but, really, there were only four of them. The cases of Barry Ferguson, Lee McCulloch, Christian Dailly and Allan McGregor were altogether different to Robson's. This is surely one of the first instances in the history of friendly international matches where a club offers the services of a player and the country rejects him on the grounds of an alleged dubious injury. This is so back to front it's hard to fathom.

The theories on this are obvious ones. Scotland sent a Celtic man home so as to dilute the effect of all those Rangers guys withdrawing. Hence, it could be billed as the Old Firm Five pulling out and not the Rangers Four. We don't know if that's true or not but it's a hair-raising take on things and not an unreasonable one. Strachan has done nothing to downplay his suspicions in all of this and the SFA have done nothing to quash those suspicions. They say they're waiting for an official complaint from Celtic on the matter. Then they'll investigate.

The Record broke this story on Friday. They sold it as "Celts fury at Robson SFA Riddle". The Celtic hierarchy were said to be furious and demanding an explanation as to why Robson exited the Scotland squad "against his will". We will see just how furious Celtic are. My guess is that they are angry but that they won't make a huge deal of this. Life's too short and all that. And the season's at too critical a point to be sidetracked by issues such as this.

Maybe they will go to war, but I doubt it. If they don't, that shouldn't be the end of it. The SFA ought to be asking a few discreet questions in the background after this. Burley, for one, may be wondering what the hell is going on. He has his medical staff telling him Robson is unfit and Strachan telling the country the opposite. He has the ludicrous spectacle of a player with much to offer being shunted while supposedly pleading to be left to stay in camp and prove that he is ready to play.

A small point here: if Celtic were happy for Robson to stay and Robson was happy to stay, what harm was there in allowing him to stay? Where was the downside? Wasn't Monday a little premature to be making definite calls on his fitness if Celtic were in no mad rush to have him back?

Scottish football is the subject of more storms and furies and outrages than you can shake a stick at and most of them are overblown pieces of nonsense. This is an intriguing one, though. The conflict in opinion on Robson's state of health needs resolving. Somebody is out of line here. And if Celtic don't take the lead in this matter the SFA shouldn't see that as their cue to bury it.

perhaps you're taking it all too seriously and elevating it, in your mind, to a level of importance that it doesn't warrant.

Morrissey the 23rd

March 30, 2008, 07:54 PM

Ignoring the fact that two of Celtic's players should have been sent off, but weren't.

Have Celtic ever lost a game fair and square? At least you can always fall back on your moral victories. :D

The Car Park Awaits

Please don't bring sense into this thread. He's evidently unable to comprehend it.

I normally do an excellent job in ignoring your existence. You could ignore me too if you like? I know it's hard. I'm irresistible to follow.

Yeah, Broadfoot should have been sent off too but he plays for Rangers. Naylor was booked for dissent after that hun dived and was awarded a foul. Fair and square?

Oh, you mean Novo for raising his hand? No. Can't be him. He wasn't wearing hoops. Ah! That's why he got away with that! BTW, what does Ferguson have to do to get booked? Fair and square?

Brown is taken out of play deliberately. Ref gives offside, even though it happened after Brown went down. Fair and square?

Thomson dives, Boruc leans over and says something, Novo pushes Boruc. Boruc booked! Thomson (already on a yellow card) is then stretchered off, avoiding further punishment and waste a great deal of time. Anti-football at its best. Rangers are then allowed to make a substitution but not Celtic. Fair and square?

It is a war of attrition. Every little bit to help out Rangers and disadvantage Celtic in every game the teams play, no matter the opposition. It isn't inconsistent or poor referring, as it consistently favours Rangers and consistently disadvantages Celtic. It's plain old cheating and shamefully anti-catholic. Celtic need to be much better than Rangers to be able to win.

European games are so different. I'd love foreign refs to ref Scottish games.

Can you imagine how it must feel to win despite every dirty, corrupt, underhand, sneaky, sleekit trick the establishment could throw our your way?

In all the posts I've made over the years concerning Celtic that is probably the first time I've mentioned Catholic. I would like to see religion erradicated from all areas of all societies. I certainly don't like religion being linked with Celtic EVERY mention. I got bored of that when I was 11. I mentioned this time because it is a fact that the anti-Celtic agenda is based on anti-catholic bigotry.

The whole sorry mess makes me proud to be a Celtic fan. My passion is perhaps fuelled by bigotry experienced by me over 37 years, simply for supporting Celtic. I know we are meant to just bow our heads and say nothing but I also have a passion for equality and fairness. I will never be mastered.

HIM

March 30, 2008, 08:09 PM

I normally do an excellent job in ignoring your existence. You could ignore me too if you like? I know it's hard. I'm irresistible to follow.

Yeah, Broadfoot should have been sent off too but he plays for Rangers. Naylor was booked for dissent after that hun dived and was awarded a foul. Fair and square?

Oh, you mean Novo for raising his hand? No. Can't be him. He wasn't wearing hoops. Ah! That's why he got away with that! BTW, what does Ferguson have to do to get booked? Fair and square?

Brown is taken out of play deliberately. Ref gives offside, even though it happened after Brown went down. Fair and square?

Thomson dives, Boruc leans over and says something, Novo pushes Boruc. Boruc booked! Thomson (already on a yellow card) is then stretchered off, avoiding further punishment and waste a great deal of time. Anti-football at its best. Rangers are then allowed to make a substitution but not Celtic. Fair and square?

It is a war of attrition. Every little bit to help out Rangers and disadvantage Celtic in every game the teams play, no matter the opposition. It isn't inconsistent or poor referring, as it consistently favours Rangers and consistently disadvantages Celtic. It's plain old cheating and shamefully anti-catholic. Celtic need to be much better than Rangers to be able to win.

European games are so different. I'd love foreign refs to ref Scottish games.

Can you imagine how it must feel to win despite every dirty, corrupt, underhand, sneaky, sleekit trick the establishment could throw our your way?

In all the posts I've made over the years concerning Celtic that is probably the first time I've mentioned Catholic. I would like to see religion erradicated from all areas of all societies. I certainly don't like religion being linked with Celtic EVERY mention. I got bored of that when I was 11. I mentioned this time because it is a fact that the anti-Celtic agenda is based on anti-catholic bigotry.

The whole sorry mess makes me proud to be a Celtic fan. My passion is perhaps fuelled by bigotry experienced by me over 37 years, simply for supporting Celtic. I know we are meant to just bow our heads and say nothing but I also have a passion for equality and fairness. I will never be mastered.

get a grip.

Kilt Uncle

March 30, 2008, 08:17 PM

The tosser comment and subsequently yourself should have been ignored for writing that towards me.

You pretend bigotry doesn't exist or at least have a blinkered view that it is ok at certain levels. The flute bands didn't stop marching in the '70's and bigotry is alive and kicking today. Only yesterday somebody had their throat slit for wearing a Celtic top.

We can both wish religion did not play a part in Scottish football or society but it does.

I hate how Celtic and Rangers are lumped together under the collective term 'Old firm'. They are two separate entities. It's laughable to talk of a anti-Rangers conspiracy. You could expand on that if you wish. It shouldn't take long. Celtic fans generally avoid the term 'old firm' to distance themselves from Rangers. The term is often used against Celtic by lumping us togther with problems concerning them. This article from 'Scotland on Sunday' today demonstrates that a little:

Tom English: Robson: The intriguing riddle of Scotland's fifth man

'ONE BARRY Robson, there's only one Barry Robson". Actually, there are two. There must be. How else can we explain the comments of Gordon Strachan and George Burley last week? This character they both spoke of; crocked in the Cameron House hotel one minute and galloping around Celtic's training ground at Lennoxtown like a man possessed the next. Can't have been the same person, can it?

Strachan says Robson was good to go for Wednesday night's friendly against Croatia; Burley says he wasn't. Burley talked about a knee injury that Robson picked up playing against Gretna last weekend, a blow diagnosed by his medical team, Professor Stewart Hillis and Dr John MacLean, and deemed sufficiently severe to have him sent home to nurse his wound. No 'we'll monitor it over the next 24 hours' and no 'we'll give him every chance to prove his fitness'. No, it was cut and dried. Robson hadn't a prayer of making a recovery in time.

Strachan said he knew nothing about any wound, any injury. His player was "100% fit" he said. The Celtic manager was confused. He scrunched up his face in that way of his and seemed to be wondering, "Robbo? A knee? When? And if he's injured, who's that guy out there sprinting around like a lunatic? Barry, is that really you?"

In the mid-1960s, Muhammad Ali hit Sonny Liston with a punch that nobody saw. Knocked the Big Ugly Bear clean out. He called it the Phantom Punch. Everybody believed that Liston took a dive but Ali fought that talk with everything he had. "I hit so fast I switch off the light and I'm in bed before it's dark," he said. "Wanna see how fast the Phantom Punch is? (Ali stands still and doesn't move a muscle for five seconds) Wanna see it again?"

When did Robson's phantom blow land? Right under Strachan's nose apparently. Right there while he was looking on at Almondvale last Sunday afternoon. Happened after about 10 minutes apparently. Strachan missed it. Fancy that. He'd only 11 men to keep an eye on and he couldn't spot that one of them was struggling with a dodgy knee. This problem was contagious, clearly. The medical staff alongside Strachan in the dugout also didn't see anything untoward about Robson's movement. Neither, it has to be said, did Robson himself. How extraordinary it must have been for him to turn up at the Scotland camp only to be told that not only was he not fit but that he wouldn't be fit in three days' time either.

"What's the problem, doc?"

"It's your knee, son. Look at the state of it."

"Feels okay to me."

"It's like a balloon, man. You cannae play with that."

"Er, really?"

This is a curious business. We read about the controversy of the Old Firm Five last week but, really, there were only four of them. The cases of Barry Ferguson, Lee McCulloch, Christian Dailly and Allan McGregor were altogether different to Robson's. This is surely one of the first instances in the history of friendly international matches where a club offers the services of a player and the country rejects him on the grounds of an alleged dubious injury. This is so back to front it's hard to fathom.

The theories on this are obvious ones. Scotland sent a Celtic man home so as to dilute the effect of all those Rangers guys withdrawing. Hence, it could be billed as the Old Firm Five pulling out and not the Rangers Four. We don't know if that's true or not but it's a hair-raising take on things and not an unreasonable one. Strachan has done nothing to downplay his suspicions in all of this and the SFA have done nothing to quash those suspicions. They say they're waiting for an official complaint from Celtic on the matter. Then they'll investigate.

The Record broke this story on Friday. They sold it as "Celts fury at Robson SFA Riddle". The Celtic hierarchy were said to be furious and demanding an explanation as to why Robson exited the Scotland squad "against his will". We will see just how furious Celtic are. My guess is that they are angry but that they won't make a huge deal of this. Life's too short and all that. And the season's at too critical a point to be sidetracked by issues such as this.

Maybe they will go to war, but I doubt it. If they don't, that shouldn't be the end of it. The SFA ought to be asking a few discreet questions in the background after this. Burley, for one, may be wondering what the hell is going on. He has his medical staff telling him Robson is unfit and Strachan telling the country the opposite. He has the ludicrous spectacle of a player with much to offer being shunted while supposedly pleading to be left to stay in camp and prove that he is ready to play.

A small point here: if Celtic were happy for Robson to stay and Robson was happy to stay, what harm was there in allowing him to stay? Where was the downside? Wasn't Monday a little premature to be making definite calls on his fitness if Celtic were in no mad rush to have him back?

Scottish football is the subject of more storms and furies and outrages than you can shake a stick at and most of them are overblown pieces of nonsense. This is an intriguing one, though. The conflict in opinion on Robson's state of health needs resolving. Somebody is out of line here. And if Celtic don't take the lead in this matter the SFA shouldn't see that as their cue to bury it.

The tosser comment wasn't necessarily aimed at you, i merely put the cap on the chair and you decided to wear it. But that mentality is infuriating. If the rules are all against you why are you wasting your time as a club even bothering to compete? And why are you going into so much detail when it's all for nothing. It makes no sense.

I don't ignore the problems of bigotry and i mentioned them in a bit of detail. But things are getting better and they'll get even better when people allow those rediculous traditions and superstitions to fade away.

Rangers withdrew their players from the squad because they have too many important games to play as a club, and it was just a meaningless international friendly after all. If it had been a World Cup qualifier then i would share your fury, believe me. But as Rangers are still in 4 competitions and the club pay their wages then i think that the clubs should treat International friendlies with the importance they really deserve, which isn't much. What would Burley learn about established international players who have played for their countries many times anyway? These games should be an occasion to elevate young players to full international caps and try out new playing systems so that the friendly game itself can actually have some point.

I you want me to back down from the tosser remark then i'm happy to do that.

Victory has a way of making me humble. It was a beautiful goal though, you must admit?

Kilt Uncle

March 30, 2008, 08:29 PM

Err , Any chance you two could let us win just one measly Scottish cup ?

:D

I think only a complete bastard with a swinging brick for a heart would deny Hibernian the joy of winning the Scottish Cup.

Ignoring the fact that two of Celtic's players should have been sent off, but weren't.

Have Celtic ever lost a game fair and square? At least you can always fall back on your moral victories. :D

The Car Park Awaits

THAT referee will be dealt with by the brotherhood at the next lodge meeting..:)

Please don't bring sense into this thread. He's evidently unable to comprehend it.

Morrissey the 23rd

March 30, 2008, 09:09 PM

The tosser comment wasn't necessarily aimed at you, i merely put the cap on the chair and you decided to wear it. But that mentality is infuriating. If the rules are all against you why are you wasting your time as a club even bothering to compete? And why are you going into so much detail when it's all for nothing. It makes no sense.

I don't ignore the problems of bigotry and i mentioned them in a bit of detail. But things are getting better and they'll get even better when people allow those rediculous traditions and superstitions to fade away.

Rangers withdrew their players from the squad because they have too many important games to play as a club, and it was just a meaningless international friendly after all. If it had been a World Cup qualifier then i would share your fury, believe me. But as Rangers are still in 4 competitions and the club pay their wages then i think that the clubs should treat International friendlies with the importance they really deserve, which isn't much. What would Burley learn about established international players who have played for their countries many times anyway? These games should be an occasion to elevate young players to full international caps and try out new playing systems so that the friendly game itself can actually have some point.

I you want me to back down from the tosser remark then i'm happy to do that.

Victory has a way of making me humble. It was a beautiful goal though, you must admit?

Good Thompson Rangers v Celtic goal: http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=9t50dSgsx78

When you wrote in a post directed and in response to me, 'we have paranoid tossers at Rangers too', I find it hard to see who else other than myself it was directed at. I didn't twist your post into making it look like that.

It isn't true to say Rangers (The very sight of the Saltire should embarrass them) withdrew their players from the squad. They pretended they were injured and the SFA were complict. What is the goal of the SFA?

Nor does it make sense to say if we can't stop the cheating, we shouldn't play.

Good goal? No but it was more than we mananged and ultimately the difference that matters. Hartley carelessly put the ball out for a throw in a block tackle.Thomson (You can't be proud of his cheating, are you?) was left in space, in the middle of the Celtic half to collect a throw-in and move forward. By the time Brown noticed he was unmarked, Cheat Thomson was already planning his forward move. Samaras realises too late that nobody has picked up Thomson in the middle and Hartley fails to tackle Thomson. Naylor is daydreaming and Thomson gives him 15 metres and still overtakes him. McManus fails to put in the final vital tackle. Caldwell is AWOL. Boruc normally saves better hit shots.

When Celtic conceded the throw-in inside their own half. Like all teams should, they should immediately mark-up to ensure the opponent is limited to throwing a high ball forward. Sadly, this isn't the first time this season Celtic have been slow to mark at a throw in, but it was the most costly.

Nor can you be proud of the religious intolerance evident at Ibrox?

Do you know if the Police acted on the banner unfurled before Artur Boruc at the start of the second half mocking his religion?

The SFA should raise the matter with Rangers. Lets see if they do.

For those reading this who don't know. The banner belittled an act of Christian worship as “voodoo”. Now it is a view I hold myself but this would be taken as a deeply offensive insult and provoked media outrage if aimed at a believer of any other faith.

If Rangers are genuine about their ‘Pride over Prejudice’ campaign they must apologise to Artur Boruc and ban the offending fans. Tolerating prejudice like this is will only reinforce a reputation they claim they want rid of and will set the wrong example to another genaration of younger fans.

Rangers have a duty to ensure that in 2008 Catholic footballers are no subject to prejudice. Time to evolve.

Artur Boruc starts every half of every game he plays in the same manner, a fact that has seldom featured in the media feeding frenzy that follows each visit to Ibrox. I am sure this incident would have been witnessed by all media representatives at the match; however, on this occasion Boruc’s visit to the Rangers end of the ground went unreported. Why?

Morrissey the 23rd

March 30, 2008, 09:12 PM

Some stats from last weekend's EPL games:

Reading... 20 fouls conceded, no yellow cards
Man City... 14 fouls conceded, no yellow cards
Aston Villa... 9 fouls conceded, no yellow cards
Newcastle Utd... 9 fouls conceded, no yellow cards
Birmingham... 16 fouls conceded, 1 yellow card (1 per 16 fouls)
Arsenal... 13 fouls conceded, 1 yellow card (1 per 13 fouls)
Man Utd... 12 fouls conceded, 1 yellow card (1 per 12 fouls)
Derby County... 10 fouls conceded, 1 yellow card (1 per 10 fouls)
Bolton... 9 fouls conceded, 1 yellow card (1 per 9 fouls)
Fulham... 5 fouls conceded, 1 yellow card (1 per 5 fouls)
Sunderland... 11 fouls conceded, 2 yellow cards (1 per 5.5 fouls)
Middlesbrough... 9 fouls conceded, 2 yellow cards (1 per 4.5 fouls)
Chelsea... 11 fouls conceded, 3 yellow cards (1 per 3.67 fouls)
Liverpool... 12 fouls conceded, 4 yellow cards (1 per 3 fouls)

And in the SPL yesterday...

Rangers... 13 fouls conceded, 3 yellow cards (1 per 4.33 fouls)
Celtic... 13 fouls conceded, 5 yellow cards (1 per 2.6 fouls)

So suddenly the team that has had the best disciplinary record for the last 2 seasons, and the 2nd best this season (notwithstanding the corrupt refereeing in the first game at Ibrox), is now the dirtiest team in England and Scotland?... I don't think so.

But when you get your players booked for being fouled and for failing to concede a penalty, what can you do?!

Albion

March 30, 2008, 09:12 PM

Jukebox Jury

March 30, 2008, 09:34 PM

gasmeter

March 30, 2008, 11:54 PM

Jukebox Jury

March 31, 2008, 10:38 AM

Some stats from last weekend's EPL games:

Reading... 20 fouls conceded, no yellow cards
Man City... 14 fouls conceded, no yellow cards
Aston Villa... 9 fouls conceded, no yellow cards
Newcastle Utd... 9 fouls conceded, no yellow cards
Birmingham... 16 fouls conceded, 1 yellow card (1 per 16 fouls)
Arsenal... 13 fouls conceded, 1 yellow card (1 per 13 fouls)
Man Utd... 12 fouls conceded, 1 yellow card (1 per 12 fouls)
Derby County... 10 fouls conceded, 1 yellow card (1 per 10 fouls)
Bolton... 9 fouls conceded, 1 yellow card (1 per 9 fouls)
Fulham... 5 fouls conceded, 1 yellow card (1 per 5 fouls)
Sunderland... 11 fouls conceded, 2 yellow cards (1 per 5.5 fouls)
Middlesbrough... 9 fouls conceded, 2 yellow cards (1 per 4.5 fouls)
Chelsea... 11 fouls conceded, 3 yellow cards (1 per 3.67 fouls)
Liverpool... 12 fouls conceded, 4 yellow cards (1 per 3 fouls)

And in the SPL yesterday...

Rangers... 13 fouls conceded, 3 yellow cards (1 per 4.33 fouls)
Celtic... 13 fouls conceded, 5 yellow cards (1 per 2.6 fouls)

Hugh, these stats are a bit misleading, there is no mention of red cards:confused:
Birmingham had a bloke sent off with a straight red, as did Arsenal. Someone else was sent off too (cant recall who, was a bit pissed watching MOTD2 last night!!) So to say Birmingham committed 16 fouls and only had one player booked is not telling the whole story.
You have to paint the complete picture my friend;)

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HIM

March 31, 2008, 12:03 PM

Some stats from last weekend's EPL games:

Reading... 20 fouls conceded, no yellow cards
Man City... 14 fouls conceded, no yellow cards
Aston Villa... 9 fouls conceded, no yellow cards
Newcastle Utd... 9 fouls conceded, no yellow cards
Birmingham... 16 fouls conceded, 1 yellow card (1 per 16 fouls)
Arsenal... 13 fouls conceded, 1 yellow card (1 per 13 fouls)
Man Utd... 12 fouls conceded, 1 yellow card (1 per 12 fouls)
Derby County... 10 fouls conceded, 1 yellow card (1 per 10 fouls)
Bolton... 9 fouls conceded, 1 yellow card (1 per 9 fouls)
Fulham... 5 fouls conceded, 1 yellow card (1 per 5 fouls)
Sunderland... 11 fouls conceded, 2 yellow cards (1 per 5.5 fouls)
Middlesbrough... 9 fouls conceded, 2 yellow cards (1 per 4.5 fouls)
Chelsea... 11 fouls conceded, 3 yellow cards (1 per 3.67 fouls)
Liverpool... 12 fouls conceded, 4 yellow cards (1 per 3 fouls)

And in the SPL yesterday...

Rangers... 13 fouls conceded, 3 yellow cards (1 per 4.33 fouls)
Celtic... 13 fouls conceded, 5 yellow cards (1 per 2.6 fouls)

fkn hell! that's worse than south africa under apartheid.

fight the power.

Morrissey the 23rd

March 31, 2008, 07:57 PM

I reckon both sides of the 'Infirm' benefit from ref's when playing against the rest . I have lost count of the times Hibs have had players booked ,and then Fergushun or Donati commit similar offences or even worse ,and are gently patted on the arse from refs .

For what it's worth I reckon progress has been made by both clubs to stamp out bigotry but still have a long long way to go . I was at Ibrox 2 weeks ago and it wasn't too bad but the triumphilism and bile still goes on.

What exactly does 'We Are The People' mean anyway ? Can any Rangers fans give us a clue .

Haven't been to Parkheid for years but I suppose there are plenty questionable songs being belted out there too. Celtic's problem seems to be more with their travellling fans .

P.S Hugh , Any chance of getting Scotty B back now you all reckon he's a dud ;)

Large crowds do influence the refs. Also less talented teams create more fouls. Celtic benefit more from the ref only when they are already ahead.

There are no questionable songs sung at Parkhead these days. You can rest assured that the media will have it on the front page if even a handful of people ever do.

The travelling fans of all clubs are more trouble for their club than the home fans but as you say. Progress has been made and continues to improve.

BTW The worst behaved Scottish fans I've ever witnessed are not Rangers fans.

Scotty B is no dud. So, if it's ok. I'd rather keep him.

I'm also in favour of the Rangers fans campaign for us to keep WGS.

Morrissey the 23rd

March 31, 2008, 08:01 PM

Hugh

It's the Star & Garter on Friday and the Ambitious Outsiders gig in Bradford on Saturday. Any chance of that £10 before Friday? It would come in handy for the weekend;)

PS Talking of conspiracy theories, I haven't seen you mention that the top man at the SFA is Gordon Smith, former Man City, Brighton and, er, Glasgow Rangers player:D:D

Jukebox Jury

I'll give you the tenner only when and if you win it.

Hugh, these stats are a bit misleading, there is no mention of red cards:confused:
Birmingham had a bloke sent off with a straight red, as did Arsenal. Someone else was sent off too (cant recall who, was a bit pissed watching MOTD2 last night!!) So to say Birmingham committed 16 fouls and only had one player booked is not telling the whole story.
You have to paint the complete picture my friend;)

Jukebox Jury

These stats were a cut and paste from the EPL website. Also, as I wrote, they were the previous weeks stats.

Morrissey the 23rd

March 31, 2008, 08:36 PM

Officials deal Celtic a telling blow:
http://www.eleven-a-side.com/blogs/viewblog.asp?bid=164

UEFA drop Celtic case:
http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5hgWTx7CCNFjmO6bglb70iu7oWh2w

The Scottish press ran with a story the Celtic fans were subject to a Uefa investigation on Friday ahead of the game against Rangers the following day, quoting an unnamed Uefa source who was not authorised to make a public statement.

I understand that following a subsequent representation, Uefa are now investigating how they appear to have been used to generate negative headlines against a Scottish club ahead of an important game.

The source of the Uefa quote and the journalists behind the original complaint (not only the journalist reported elsewhere) are known to the governing body and will be subject to the investigation on how Uefa were used to manipulate preparations for a Scottish league match.

Celtic: Record smirk at The Big Lie
http://www.celtic.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=104841

Blood on the streets:
http://www.sundaylife.co.uk/news/article3565857.ece

Time for SFA to close a stand at Ibrox:

Scotland Shirkers manager, Walter Smith, was adamant his team should have been awarded a penalty on Saturday when Kevin Thomson went down in the box under the weight of Giorgios Samaras’ cologne, "I don't know why nothing was given as the boy nearly got a broken leg and how can you break a leg without contact?”

Smith is right, you cannot break a leg without contact, but you can not break a leg without contact.

The intellectual challenge of following his own logic appears to be too much for Sherlock Smith, as he concluded, "He does not have a broken leg but I guess it is one of those situations that will remain a mystery.”

Thomson added to the embarrassing diatribe, “"Boruc wanted me to get a second booking [for diving] which would have been ridiculous.

"For Boruc to react the way he did? That lacked class.

"I'm not going to get dragged into anything controversial but let's just say I was disappointed with his reaction.”

One wonders what a Rangers player needs to do to get dragged into something controversial.

Boruc’s actions happened a few minutes after a banner mocking his religious observances was displayed by the Rangers support behind his goal. Clearly the assumption at Ibrox remains that they reserve the right to mock the beliefs of visiting Catholic players and will cry foul if these players appear unduly animated afterwards.

Like any other person living in Scotland, Artur Boruc is entitled to have his beliefs protected; if the SFA or Strathclyde Police cannot stop religious persecution at Ibrox, the governing body must at the very least instruct referees to show tolerance towards the inevitable results.

Every time Boruc plays in front of the Copeland Road stand he is subject to a torrent of religious abuse; if Uefa was in charge of Scottish football, the stand would undoubtedly be closed.

Time to show you have gotten over that problem you had with “enemy” football teams, Gordon Smith. You are presiding over the acknowledged and persistent religious persecution of a footballer.

Close the stand.

Jukebox Jury

April 1, 2008, 12:37 AM

Hugh
I know I've taken liberties on this thread in jest (although, come on, cough up the tenner, Hugh know it's over:D)

Absolutely in no way do I condone the actions of Rangers / Linfield fans but lets be honest, NO teams fans are innocent.
A united fan going friend of mine (yes, I do have maybe three:eek:) says he is glad that the yearly united / Celtic testimonial 'love in' seems to have ceased to take place. He hated it. Celtic fans turned up in droves, drunk, singing pro Irish / anti English / British songs and generally misbehaving.
There were letters to the MEN on this very point the last time the two teams met at the Theatre of Wet Dreams.
City / Leeds and other clubs fans sing about Munich, united fans sing about Hillsborough, some London clubs (and others) refer to Spurs as 'Yids' and sing about gas chambers. There are songs about the Leeds fans getting stabbed in Istanbul etc etc

The above doesnt make it right or acceptable, but it (unfortunately) takes place. If the Munich disaster happened to City, I dare say united fans would be chanting the same sick songs to City fans.

What I'm trying to say (I think, as it is 1.30am and as usual I'm under the influence) is the more you let the 'Big Jock Knew' thing get to you, the more it will be done. Laugh at them and they are the ones agitated because they have failed. As long as you know and believe 'Big Jock Didn't know', then what have you to worry about. Don't rise to it. Laugh at the fuckers.

But, as Ronny Biggs said on the cover of 'No One Is Innocent' - no one is innocent, but some are more guilty than others.........

Jukebox Jury

Morrissey the 23rd

April 1, 2008, 04:57 PM

Penalty??:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcBgAPk4ELQ

Cuellar stamps on JVoH:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_vwYOZvPc8

Thomson dive:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6EIC6l1POs

Darchieville:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBDf8UK3r0w

Barry Ferguson:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta_Kz_7Yxvw

Kirk Broadfoot dive:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9q_KvCCPrc

Morrissey the 23rd

April 2, 2008, 02:16 PM

That's Why We're Paranoid
Written by The Judge:

http://www.etims.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2168&Itemid=29

Morrissey the 23rd

April 3, 2008, 08:55 PM

Neil Lennon returns to Celtic:
http://www.setantasports.com/en/Sport/News/Football/2008/04/03/SPL-Lennon-back-at-Celtic/?facets/sport-space/football/great-britain-locale/

Celtic To Take Part in Feyenoord's Centenary Year Celebrations:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/15917-World_Football-Tottenham_Hotspur-Celtic-Celtic_to_Take_Part_in_Feyenoord_s_Centenary_Year_ Celebrations

Jukebox Jury

April 4, 2008, 11:06 AM

Neil Lennon returns to Celtic:

Yeah, he couldn't get a game at Forest and Wycombe, so he had the choice of going into the Blue Square Conference or the Scottish Premier League as they are about at the same level:D:D (only some conference clubs get bigger gates than the SPL;))

Jukebox Jury

Morrissey the 23rd

April 4, 2008, 04:20 PM

Yeah, he couldn't get a game at Forest and Wycombe, so he had the choice of going into the Blue Square Conference or the Scottish Premier League as they are about at the same level:D:D (only some conference clubs get bigger gates than the SPL;))

Jukebox Jury

Now he'll be at the 2nd largest average crowd in the UK each week.

Jukebox Jury

April 4, 2008, 06:08 PM

Now he'll be at the 2nd largest average crowd in the UK each week.

Correction:rolleyes:
Every other week - see case study below....

Scottish Premier League Fixture - Gretna v Glasgow Seltic 23rd March 08 attendance 3,561
Blue Square Conference Fixture (the English Division 5) Exeter City v Kidderminster Harriers 22nd March 08 attendance 3,812

It's really laughable ha ha ha ha ha ha, ha ha ha ha ha etc etc

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lazy_dyke

April 4, 2008, 06:12 PM

notice the banner from the roundhouse on the slc gym floor
it's half the size of a 5-a-side pitch!

Morrissey the 23rd

April 4, 2008, 09:10 PM

Correction:rolleyes:
Every other week - see case study below....

Scottish Premier League Fixture - Gretna v Glasgow Seltic 23rd March 08 attendance 3,561
Blue Square Conference Fixture (the English Division 5) Exeter City v Kidderminster Harriers 22nd March 08 attendance 3,812

It's really laughable ha ha ha ha ha ha, ha ha ha ha ha etc etc

Jukebox Jury

Strange that thousands of Celtic fans wanted to pay to get into game at the gate but were refused due to 'safety' reasons. Grenta needed that cash too! Later in the week, pay at the gate, in fact, free entry, was allowed for the Scotland match. Hmm.

http://www.scotsman.com/football/Tiny-crowd--at-a.3908925.jp

Man city are well behind Celtic for attendance:
http://www.purelymancity.com/index.php/11/29/a-closer-look-at-our-attendance-figures-2/

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team/stats?id=256&cc=5739

Morrissey the 23rd

April 4, 2008, 09:10 PM

notice the banner from the roundhouse on the slc gym floor
it's half the size of a 5-a-side pitch!

Shhh!! It's top secret just now.

Jukebox Jury

April 5, 2008, 04:50 PM

Strange that thousands of Celtic fans wanted to pay to get into game at the gate but were refused due to 'safety' reasons. Grenta needed that cash too! Later in the week, pay at the gate, in fact, free entry, was allowed for the Scotland match. Hmm.

http://www.scotsman.com/football/Tiny-crowd--at-a.3908925.jp

Man city are well behind Celtic for attendance:
http://www.purelymancity.com/index.php/11/29/a-closer-look-at-our-attendance-figures-2/

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team/stats?id=256&cc=5739

Hugh
Is the concept of therefore buying a ticket in advance new in Scotland? Feeble excuse for a poor attendance.

Also, what's City's attendance got to do with this?:confused: It's irrelevant in this discussion.

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April 5, 2008, 04:54 PM

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April 5, 2008, 05:10 PM

Kilt Uncle

April 5, 2008, 05:30 PM

Glasgow Seltic 0 Motherwell 1:eek:

Hugh,
Do you need my address to forward that tenner?
And dont respond with City's score because it has no baring on this bet;)

No need to thank me for refusing to make the bet £50 and higher as you were offering at the time of the bet.........

Jukebox Jury

Now now! I will not stand by and watch you oppress people who have already suffered so much in the past!

And the defeat for Celtic today is obviously not down to the bad play of the team, even though Motherwell were down to 10 men for 37 whole minutes of the second half, it is obviously down to the on-going masonic conspiracy to deny the team justice.

In your favour, you did refuse to take more money in regards to the bet. Your compassion is admirable and i congratulate you for it.

As for the Masonic person of questionable parentage in the black, he sent off an ex Rangers player, who was playing for Motherwell today, but he will be dealt with at the next lodge meeting.

How can the Rangers brotherhood conspire to deny the enemy with traitor officials like this who just don't seem to understand the rules!

In the meantime, please do not victimise victims. It's just not nice..:)

Jukebox Jury

April 5, 2008, 06:13 PM

Now now! I will not stand by and watch you oppress people who have already suffered so much in the past!

And the defeat for Celtic today is obviously not down to the bad play of the team, even though Motherwell were down to 10 men for 37 whole minutes of the second half, it is obviously down to the on-going masonic conspiracy to deny the team justice.

In your favour, you did refuse to take more money in regards to the bet. Your compassion is admirable and i congratulate you for it.

As for the Masonic person of questionable parentage in the black, he sent off an ex Rangers player, who was playing for Motherwell today, but he will be dealt with at the next lodge meeting.

How can the Rangers brotherhood conspire to deny the enemy with traitor officials like this who just don't seem to understand the rules!

In the meantime, please do not victimise victims. It's just not nice..:)

Kilt Uncle
That ref will be found at the bottom of the Clyde, feet in a concrete block:D

I await the following links to be posted by Hugh

www.youtube.com /therefonlysentonemotherwellplayeroff/itshouldhavebeenthree

www.youtube.com /fourblatentpenaltydecsionsturneddown

www.youtube.com /theballwasjustabouttocrossthelineandapigeonflewacr ossthegoalandtheballhitthepigeonandtheballdeflecte dwide

www.youtube.com /ianpaisleylargingitupinthemotherwellend

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Kilt Uncle

April 5, 2008, 07:39 PM

Kilt Uncle
That ref will be found at the bottom of the Clyde, feet in a concrete block:D

I await the following links to be posted by Hugh

www.youtube.com /therefonlysentonemotherwellplayeroff/itshouldhavebeenthree

www.youtube.com /fourblatentpenaltydecsionsturneddown

www.youtube.com /theballwasjustabouttocrossthelineandapigeonflewacr ossthegoalandtheballhitthepigeonandtheballdeflecte dwide

www.youtube.com /ianpaisleylargingitupinthemotherwellend

Jukebox Jury

LOL!

Shhhh! If they drain the Clyde then it will be full of officials who denied Rangers trophies over the last three years up until last months league cup win. That's classified information..:)

Some might say that we didn't win anything because we were crap but i know this trophy drought went right up to the top levels of the Vatican...:)

Jukebox Jury

April 5, 2008, 11:52 PM

Bumping it up until Hugh responds:D

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Kilt Uncle

April 6, 2008, 12:01 AM

Bumping it up until Hugh responds:D

Jukebox Jury

I will look forward to reading it..:)

BTW, the YouTube topics were brilliant. I would have been very proud to come up with those myself..:)

Jukebox Jury

April 6, 2008, 12:06 AM

BTW, the YouTube topics were brilliant. I would have been very proud to come up with those myself..:)

Thanks,
I thought about writing the words out seperately (for the benefit of the Americans :D) but then thought - 'No, they can spend the time working them out.'
Personally I thought the pigeon one was good. Even the pigeons conspire against Glasgow Seltic:D:D

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Jukebox Jury

April 7, 2008, 10:01 AM

Hugh,
Whenever you are ready, feel free to reply.....:D

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Albion

April 10, 2008, 09:55 PM

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April 10, 2008, 10:20 PM

Jukebox Jury

April 10, 2008, 11:15 PM

Been watching the highlights of Sporting Lisbon v Glasgow Rangers on ITV.
The Glasgow Rangers fans were chanting:

Are you Celtic in disguise?

Very harsh, very funny:D

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Kilt Uncle

April 11, 2008, 03:53 PM

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April 11, 2008, 05:33 PM

What would be the odds of M23 returning if Celtic beat us?..:) And don't worry about the Rangers fans, some of them are okay...:)

I'm pretty sure he would be back here very quick!

As for Rangers fans, it's a historical thing - in the early 70's, they played united in a friendly and smashed the city centre up. The police vowed that Rangers would never step foot in the city again for a friendly.
I know a few times in the 80's when united and Glasgow Seltick were having their yearly testimonials, City tried to get Rangers a couple of times and were told to go away and close the door behind them by The Dibble.

When Rangers & united were drawn together in the Champions (and Runners Up / Third & Fourth Placed) League a few years ago, every pub in the city centre and Stretford were shut for the whole day.
I imagine if it is Rangers v Bayern Munich, the Germans will not be happy arriving in a dry city!!!

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Kilt Uncle

April 11, 2008, 09:32 PM

I'm pretty sure he would be back here very quick!

As for Rangers fans, it's a historical thing - in the early 70's, they played united in a friendly and smashed the city centre up. The police vowed that Rangers would never step foot in the city again for a friendly.
I know a few times in the 80's when united and Glasgow Seltick were having their yearly testimonials, City tried to get Rangers a couple of times and were told to go away and close the door behind them by The Dibble.

When Rangers & united were drawn together in the Champions (and Runners Up / Third & Fourth Placed) League a few years ago, every pub in the city centre and Stretford were shut for the whole day.
I imagine if it is Rangers v Bayern Munich, the Germans will not be happy arriving in a dry city!!!

Jukebox Jury

I had no idea about this. Selective memory syndrome..:) We have a phenomenal amount of arseholes at Rangers and the fans don't conduct themselves very well, it's a constant embarrassment.

If M23 could cut the conspiracy rubbish, then technically you'd have to be a mass-murderer to make the average Rangers fan look bad. Sad but true. Individually they are okay, but put them all together and they take on the form of this idiotic blob.

But Evolution affects everything and Rangers fans are next for the big new evolutionary step. We get our Thumbs soon...:guitar:

Jukebox Jury

April 12, 2008, 09:32 AM

I had no idea about this. Selective memory syndrome..:) We have a phenomenal amount of arseholes at Rangers and the fans don't conduct themselves very well, it's a constant embarrassment.

If M23 could cut the conspiracy rubbish, then technically you'd have to be a mass-murderer to make the average Rangers fan look bad. Sad but true. Individually they are okay, but put them all together and they take on the form of this idiotic blob.

But Evolution affects everything and Rangers fans are next for the big new evolutionary step. We get our Thumbs soon...:guitar:

Funny anecdote about the above mentioned united v Rangers Champions League game.
I was working just north of the city centre in Ancoats. A group of around 5 or 6 Rangers fans came up to me asking if there were any pubs around there open. I thought for a few seconds and (light bulb time) said yes there was.
There is a pub on a side street off Oldham Road that is always open and full of postal workers as it is across the road from the sorting office on Oldham Road. As it happened I was going that way as my car was parked near to the pub. We chatted away as we walked, with me obviously wishing their team all the best for the game;)
Just as we got round the corner from the pub, one of them asked me what the pub was called.
I was just about to say the name when it suddenly dawned on me:eek::eek:
'Sorry lads', I said, 'You'll have to find another pub...... this one is called 'The Shamrock'......

There was a few seconds pause as they all looked at each other.... and then burst out laughing.:D
I sent them off in the direction of the Marble Arch (now that is a proper real ale pub, brewed on the premises) on Rochdale Road.

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Kilt Uncle

April 12, 2008, 04:27 PM

..:) Did you understand the Scottish accent okay?..:)

I reckon that Motherwell result hit M23 pretty hard. It helps if you don't post "Bring on the Rangers" threads first..:)

It's only a game after all...that we control through the secret masonic networks..:)

Jukebox Jury

April 12, 2008, 09:46 PM

..:) Did you understand the Scottish accent okay?..:)

Thankfully one of them had a pen and paper and therefore all questions were written down, they did understand my accent though;)

So now Queen Of The South stand in the way of the treble, Fiorentina and Bayern Munich in the way of the QUADROUPLE:guitar:

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Kilt Uncle

April 12, 2008, 09:56 PM

Thankfully one of them had a pen and paper and therefore all questions were written down, they did understand my accent though;)

So now Queen Of The South stand in the way of the treble, Fiorentina and Bayern Munich in the way of the QUADROUPLE:guitar:

Jukebox Jury

I am watching Queen of the South devour Aberdeen as we speak. They are the team i dislike most after Celtic, so it's been a real footballing orgy for me the last few weeks..:)

I was really pleased when i thought that Bayern were out because they're the biggest club left in the tournament. Could be tricky for us to progress to the final though, but it's been a great ride anyways..:)

Jukebox Jury

April 12, 2008, 10:13 PM

I am watching Queen of the South devour Aberdeen as we speak. They are the team i dislike most after Celtic, so it's been a real footballing orgy for me the last few weeks..:)

I was really pleased when i thought that Bayern were out because they're the biggest club left in the tournament. Could be tricky for us to progress to the final though, but it's been a great ride anyways..:)

I had Ceefax on showing the latest scores on Thursday and saw that Munich were 3-1 down in extra time. Next time I looked up from the computer it was 3-3! Did you see the goalies howler for Munich's second goal? :eek:
Though the Ruskie's will be difficult to beat - very difficult me thinks.

Should Rangers get through, as I live a mile and a half from City's ground, I shall be happy to open my house to fellow Freemasons for a drink or seven if you fancy it?:D:guitar:

Hugh has stayed at Jukebox Towers a few times, if you bring him along, he can make sure you find my house;)

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Kilt Uncle

April 12, 2008, 10:33 PM

I had Ceefax on showing the latest scores on Thursday and saw that Munich were 3-1 down in extra time. Next time I looked up from the computer it was 3-3! Did you see the goalies howler for Munich's second goal? :eek:
Though the Ruskie's will be difficult to beat - very difficult me thinks.

Should Rangers get through, as I live a mile and a half from City's ground, I shall be happy to open my house to fellow Freemasons for a drink or seven if you fancy it?:D:guitar:

Hugh has stayed at Jukebox Towers a few times, if you bring him along, he can make sure you find my house;)

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I think that would be the one night where you could absolutely guarantee that M23 wouldn't be anywhere near Manchester..:) I would make the effort to get down though if we made it to the final. I haven't been since the Moz concert in 2004 and i can't believe that it's nearly 4 years ago. "Where did all the time go" right enough.

To be honest if Fiorentina play a right good game then i can see us getting beat, but i'm not too worried. A year ago we were utter shite so you've got to be grateful for small mercies and you must be pleased with City these days?

Jukebox Jury

April 12, 2008, 10:51 PM

and you must be pleased with City these days?

Yes and no!
If you'd asked me a year ago, I'd have been delighted with how things are.... just since Xmas we have done bugger all (except beat united:D). We lost tamely at Reading, Birmingham and drew at Derby, Bolton and at home to Wigan.... a decent performance against those teams and we'd be in the Champions League!!!!

Typical City! Still, on Wednesday I'll be there, cheering the Youth Team on in the 2nd leg of the final of the FA Youth Cup. The score after the 1st leg against Chelski is 1-1.
Come on you Young Blue Boys!!

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Jukebox Jury

April 13, 2008, 05:25 PM

Well done to Glasgow Selltick in 'finally' manging to win a game and avenging last weeks defeat against Motherwell:D. 3 points nearer to Glasgow Rangers (though a further game in hand) so no doubt my tenner will have to wait a little longer......

Meanwhile, over at Firhill, the 'Quadrouple' became another step closer....

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Jukebox Jury

April 16, 2008, 10:21 PM

I wonder if Hugh will come back on here now;)

I still want my tenner Hugh...... two games in hand.... they are just toying with you:guitar:

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vicarinatutugal

April 16, 2008, 10:56 PM

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4986/image007aa3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
my friend sent me this earlier from the match.

Jukebox Jury

April 17, 2008, 07:48 AM

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4986/image007aa3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
my friend sent me this earlier from the match.

Looks like a right sell out crowd:D

I hear on the news today that the self proclaimed 'best fans in the world' were pelting the Glasgow Rangers magic sponge man with coins when treating a player.

I wonder if *someone* will post a load of media links relating to this issue on here;)

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vicarinatutugal

April 17, 2008, 09:35 AM

Looks like a right sell out crowd:D

I hear on the news today that the self proclaimed 'best fans in the world' were pelting the Glasgow Rangers magic sponge man with coins when treating a player.

I wonder if *someone* will post a load of media links relating to this issue on here;)

Jukebox Jury

lol..not that I am a footie fan this was before the match... :p

vicarinatutugal

April 29, 2008, 09:26 PM

one from the weekends game, again sent to me from my friend Bungle.
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/8427/image009wr5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/8427/image009wr5.751bca7707.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=388&i=image009wr5.jpg)

Morrissey the 23rd

June 11, 2008, 04:22 AM

Girfuy.

Morrissey the 23rd

June 11, 2008, 04:53 PM

Pmsl.

Morrissey the 23rd

June 12, 2008, 02:08 PM

I wonder if Hugh will come back on here now;)

I still want my tenner Hugh...... two games in hand.... they are just toying with you:guitar:

Jukebox Jury

Snigger.

Morrissey the 23rd

June 13, 2008, 01:05 PM

Morrissey the 23rd

June 14, 2008, 07:36 PM

I would say it was because the Gers played brilliantly, but you have the real reason..:)

What would be the odds of M23 returning if Celtic beat us?..:) And don't worry about the Rangers fans, some of them are okay...:)

Titter.

Morrissey the 23rd

June 16, 2008, 02:28 AM

Rangers the soon to be Scottish Champions, progress through to the Uefa Cup Semi - Finals, after a victory away from home against Sporting Lisbon. Another team in Green and White hoops defeated by Rangers.

Final Score
Sporting Lisbon 0 - 2 Rangers

The grand anti-catholic, masonic propagated conspiracy is spreading across Europe.:D

Awh! Shame!

Big Jock Knew - Post from Albion - July 16, 2007, 09:12 PM:
http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showpost.php?p=616859&postcount=2

Shame on you.

Big Jock Knew - It’s Just The Shame Old Story:
http://www.etims.net/index.php?Itemid=29&id=1957&option=com_content&task=view

A club with a poison at its core:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/scotland/article3942106.ece

"Some of you may be aware by now of this excruciating embarrassment for Rangers known as the “Big Jock Knew” campaign (henceforth BJK). The chant, which has been fomented among the usual victims on a fans’ website and by certain Rangers supporters groups leaders, refers to a Celtic Boys Club controversy of more than 30 years ago.

The episode shocked Jock Stein, then the Celtic manager, when he was informed about it. Yet this Rangers song, as factually flawed and repellent as it is, tries to infer that Stein either condoned or attempted to cover-up the incident, which is nonsense.

I have to admit I never thought I’d ever see the day when Scottish football supporters sang a song about a child sex abuse case, yet Rangers have duly delivered. Even more amazing and shocking is Rangers FC’s ongoing silence on the matter, as this cretinous chant builds up its head of steam among supporters.

In the Scottish media we have tried to help Rangers by not quoting the subject in our pages, giving the club the chance for once to be proactive rather than reactive to misconduct among their less-fortunate followers. But those days of our silence on BJK are drawing to a close for one good reason – the longer this deafening silence from Ibrox about it prevails, the more decent people are starting to agitate for Rangers to actually do something about it.

Gordon Smith, the SFA chief executive, had the guts and the moral fibre to refer to BJK as “morally repugnant”. Yet what have Rangers got to say about it? Does no one at the club actually possess the bottle to stand up and condemn it?

BJK is now a ticking time-bomb for Rangers. It is The Billy Boys all over again and I am frankly amazed that the club hasn’t learnt lessons from their recent past and their prosecution by Uefa. Unless Rangers do something and act strongly, this proud but benighted club is once more going to be stung."

From 'The Times' November 24, 2007 by Graham Spiers.

What is the sick campaign against Jock Stein, promoted by 'Albion' all about?:
http://jockstein.awardspace.com/Sick%20Campaign.htm

Twisted Assault On A True Football Legend by George Galloway:
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/comment/columnists/lifestyle-columnists/george-galloway/2007/10/01/twisted-assault-on-a-true-football-legend-86908-19873999/

Big Jock - The Truth:
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=7L4Llt3LS7w

Scotland's Shame - Rangers fans 16/04/08:
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=mcpx4b42qxw

Scotland's Shame In Manchester:
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=bftNWekzCLg

"There is no excuse for it to be honest. From what I saw before the game there was no need for attacking paramedics and the police, it is indefensible." John MacMillan, The general secretary of the Rangers Supporters Association.

BIG JOCK KNEW:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzkFrGbreD8

lovemorrissey

June 16, 2008, 11:05 AM

Aye ok Hugh, you win

Morrissey the 23rd

June 16, 2008, 03:01 PM

Aye ok Hugh, you win

It is MUCH more than just that.

Morrissey the 23rd

June 18, 2008, 06:54 PM

Big Jock Knew - Post from Albion - July 16, 2007, 09:12 PM:
http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/sho...59&postcount=2

From a blog on the net from Friday, 23 May 2008
John Bhoy said...
Now, I’m not usually one to rub it in, but that league win was sweet; sweet as a nut. I said I would congratulate Rangers if they won the SPL; sadly, for Rangers supporters, this scenario has not transpired. All the trips to Barcelona, Bremen, Panathinaikos, Lisbon, Florence, Lyon, Stuttgart, and of course, Manchester, not to mention all the league games, have, alas, been in vain. Unless of course the CIS cup and the Scottish cup (although Queen of the South greatly troubled the plucky, cash-strapped Kinning park club) is to be lauded as a good return for the season. I'm not religious, but I kind-of like the idea of Karma; you might say that, on Thursday, 22nd May at just after 9.30pm, the cosmic forces truly portioned out justice Karma-style.

Isn't it somehow poetically justified that, after all the giggling, laughing and sneering at the victims of child-abuse, all the white protestant supremist, nationalistic, xenophobic, racist, sectarian hate spewed from the beer and pie holes of a majority of people who claim to support Rangers has, this season, all ended up running down the tattooed and scarred collective face of said support? Manchester facilitated the transmitting of Rangers fans' general imperialistic delusions to a global audience; most Rangers fans feel that only white, 'British', protestant people are, in fact, 'ra peepel'. Isn't the collective identity problem being experience by the Rangers fans just now both deeply disturbing, and outrageously amusing at the same time? For example, how does the image of hundreds of Rangers 'fans' rioting and battering the crap out of the British police force whilst singing 'rule Britannia' actually look? (Forgive me, but I’ve just taken a few minutes to come out of a giggling fit there...). Imagine! Growling 'Rule Britannia' whilst kicking forty shades of shite out of a British police officer! It's so absurd that it belongs on Harry Hill's TV Burp.

If you think the name of Rangers F.C has taken a kicking over the last week, just imagine what would have happened if those animals whaling on the policeman had actually killed him… and believe me, it will happen one day. It’s easy to see that the tide of social conscience has changed in a way which is rapidly leaving the now increasingly moronic, racist, bigoted majority of the Rangers support behind. It’s all over. The fantasies of killing Catholics, of wading through feinian blood, of sending all people of Irish-catholic descent ‘back home’, of telling people of the sashes worn by fathers etc, is being left behind; the zeitgeist is flying away from the favourite pass-times of the Rangers support faster than a speeding bullet. Rangers F.C. as a club, its support, its politics, its values, beliefs and its whole ethos now only serve to remind us all of the disgusting, moronic narrow-minded attitudes which are practiced openly and without apology in Scotland; but it is being challenged more. Taking this into consideration, you can imagine how Rangers F.C. will look to the outside world in, say, 10 years time. Singing ‘Big Jock Knew’ instead of their hate songs will fool nobody; very few people are impressed to see thousands of people engaged in widespread laughing, sneering and posturing over the abuse of youngsters.

Also, how on Earth did 23 Rangers ‘fans’ manage to get arrested at IBROX when the only fans watching the live beam-back of the UEFA Final in the stadium where fans of Rangers? Who were they fighting with? It's hilarious. And, at the second of two old firm games at Parkhead recently, the Rangers 'fans' unfurled a star of David flag of the Nation of Israel; they actually unfurled a flag which symbolises the legitimacy and existence of the Jewish state of Israel, despite being caught many times (including once in Israel itself!!!!!) giving Nazi salutes!!! (or was it ‘red hand salutes’?!?!?!) You couldn't make this stuff up, you really couldn't. It would seem that, rather than defining themselves as people who love something (i.e. their club, their national identity, the Queen etc) Rangers fans seem to define themselves by what they HATE: i.e. all things NOT white, NOT British, NOT protestant, NOT xenophobic etc. Rangers fans don't really (it would seem) love anything; they merely HATE all which is not nationalist, racist, protestant etc. It’s a strange situation.

Anyhoo, I digress. I had actually let go of the title a few weeks ago but, having attended the two old-firm games at Parkhead (and two smashing Celtic victories) I started to get a bit of hope; and look what ends up happening! I think it was Marvin Andrews (Jesus loves you) who coined the phrase 'keep believing' (funny how Marvin wasn't set upon by an irate Scottish media for wearing t-shirts with Jesus 'slogans' on the field of play during his time in Scotland....) ; well, big Marv was right. Well done on Rangers’ efforts this season; for a team as cash-strapped (skint) as they are, they put up a good fight. Alas, the Great Glasgow Celtic won it in the end; it's becoming a recurring theme now (3-in-a-row, I think.....). I’m looking forward to another season of Wattenaccio (Daily Record©), a good SPL contest, Rangers 'fans' trashing another selection of Europe’s finest cities whilst singing 'big jock knew' and flooding the continent with pish, vomit and blood, and another sustained pro-Rangers media campaign. Don't get me wrong; I’m not completely devoid of compassion - I remember Seville, losing the title on the last day in 2003 (without an extension), and of course, losing it stupidly in 2005's 'black Sunday'. Those were sore ones to take; and many Rangers fans revelled in Celtic's misery. Well, guess what I’ll by doing over the next few days and weeks?

John Bhoy,
Glasgow.

Morrissey the 23rd

June 19, 2008, 09:54 AM

RANGERS FANS MAKING AN ARSE OF THEMSELVES thinking they had won the league 7 points ahead:
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=nIE9xwUub-I

There were a few milkmaid posters on this site that began daydreaming too.

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=YaThV1WATtM
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=ICXFNQViNhs
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=KsgSmwvVJgc

Morrissey the 23rd

June 22, 2008, 05:24 AM

Morrissey the 23rd

June 23, 2008, 10:41 AM

Watch at 2mins 8 seconds how Cheating bigot FC fans think they have scored early into the final at Manchester. PMSL:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSMVxho0XKQ

For the Dobs in hiding:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PG4bhRXOOY

No hiding place for the guilty:
http://sport.scotsman.com/uefacup/No-hiding-place-for-the.4095438.jp

Is it Safe to Dance? Celtic FC Champions edition:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfoM41BLN9w

Unique Quadruple:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGZ3Jj5oVI8

Scotlands Shame, Humanity's Embaressment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hLdH9BWQp4

"The Sash My Father Wore" - Rangers FC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3_pP3SDW_c

CELTIC IS ROCKY III IN A ROW:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdvr5IBYjsU

Albion:

Morrissey the 23rd

June 23, 2008, 10:49 PM

PART1 of a long response:

Now that Boxing day is over.

Queens Park Rangers?:confused:

Jukebox Jury

I would think so.Can't think of any other Rangers :p

It is actually a wee while since Celtic have beaten Rangers, not since uncle Walter has returned me thinks.

Can you be friends with a Rangers supporter?.

Of course. I'm sure it's not your fault. You can always turn your back on the dark side.

I've just been getting Irish history at college and learning about the Easter Rising and it's shocking what these Brits did. But i've been commited to the Blue cause since i was 5, so i can't change now...though if i knew then what i know now.

I reckon it'll be a draw anyway.

I have a few friends who have told me similar stories. Just supporting Rangers doesn't make you a bad person. Just as supporting Celtic doesn't make you a good person. Together we can beat bigotry.

Stafford Rangers v Stalybridge Celtic??:confused:

Jukebox Jury

Hugh,
You will be £10 poorer when Glasgow Rangers win the SPL this season. You can pay me now if you like, Morrissey's Greatest Hits is £9.77 in Asda so that would be good timing.

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It is great to see the currant buns coming out of the woodwork. Doesn't happen much because they don't often get the chance. I'll love it even more when they crawl back in.

They have still to play us three times. The only time league position will matter is when every club has played 38 matches.

Did you see the mighty Rangers last night.:D 4-5-1 at home? Funnier still, it was McCulloch up front.

You seem confident. Want to double or treble the bet?

Does that mean you want to double, treble the bet or are you not confident about your claims? It gives me great pleasure to take money from someone so parochial. Your insular views of the world is my gain of your English pound coins. What do you say we make it a £50 bet?;)

Remember when Man City were doing well at the start of the EPL campaign, I offered to bet you any amount you liked that they wouldn't win it. Now, you declined that because even you knew it was silly to think Man City had any chance of winning the EPL.

Rangers are four points ahead of Celtic (and still to play them three times) and you think they're the dog's bollocks. Just because we haven't bagged it by Hallowean again this year, doesn't mean it isn't in the bag.

PS It isn't Easter yet but everybody knows Man City wont win the EPL. It's a two horse race yet again.

I know you are still on a high from beating Manure. I'll take this opportunity to tell you that I have since seen highlights and neither of City’s goals were very impressive. They came more from good luck and poor defending.

You are going to need a lot more luck for Rangers to win the league.

So what's the bet? £10, £20, £30 or £50?

@ Morrissey the 23rd. I'm surprised that Celtic have such big profits! That must mean that the poor catholic families aren't quite getting the charity they received in the past. Nice to see that the club is still sticking to its traditions, which were admirable, though a long-long time ago it seems..:)

Just as greedy as these vile protestants they're always complaining about.

And you're STILL 4 points behind..:)

The graffiti on the wall says, 'We're magic! We're magic!'

Beautifull Celtic goal after 26 passes against Hearts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaOSo12u5Y8

Highlights from the game this weekend from world famous Celtic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ-xSnlcWkk

PS I'll take your money too Kilt Uncle and I'll give my winnings to kickoutbigotry.

http://www.kickoutbigotry.org/

Can you send us the youtube links to the SPL leaders, Glasgow Rangers, victory against Kilmarnock?

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Hugh,
That money you owe me for the o2 ticket, do you want to add the tenner from the bet onto the cheque? Saves you posting me another one in a few weeks time;)

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[QUOTE=Morrissey the 23rd;821635]Rest is for losers:

Days ahead of the most important league fixture of the season, Stephen McManus, Gary Caldwell, Artur Boruc, Paul Hartley, Scott Brown and Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink all represented their countries.

On Saturday they play Rangers, who due to mass call-offs were represented in international football only by 15 minutes of Kris Boyd (and they complain about having too many games). Barry Ferguson, Christian Dailly, Lee McCulloch and Allan McGregor all fained injury.

Gers players must have extremely serious, dead bad, really, really sore injuries to withdraw from the Scotland squad:
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/sport/display.var.2147619.0.only_an_excuse_scotlands_fun niest_football_column_with_jonathan_watson_philip_ differ.php

Ally McCoist, the Rangers assistant manager, last night revealed that the four Rangers players who pulled out of the Scotland squad for last night's friendly against Croatia should all be fit for Saturday's Old Firm match at Ibrox. What a surprise! Will the Scottish Football Association invoke the Fifa rule that would allow them to prevent these players taking part at Ibrox? Of course not! That wouldn't help Rangers win the league. An SFA objective.

Scotland is a messed up country.

Lyon visited Ibrox in December after Rangers engineered an unprecidented break for their players and proved that rests are for losers. After opening their Champions League group with two wins, Rangers convinced many they were hot favourites to qualify for the tournament’s knock out stage, but planning to rest became planning to lose as they tumbled out of the tournament.

Rangers fixture problem echoes Celtic’s from ‘70s; no league extension was ruled:

In 1971 when Celtic were neck-and-neck with Aberdeen, the Scottish Football League took the decision not to extend the league (correctly, we were told by all at the time), as this would be the league making a legislative change in favour of Celtic.

With five days of the league season left, Celtic were forced to play three games: against St Mirren on Tuesday, 27 April, Ayr United on Thursday, 29 April and Clyde on Saturday, 1 May; winning the league by two points before dismissing Rangers in the Scottish Cup final for good measure.

The league cannot introduce a legislative change which would affect the competitive chances of one club over another. If Rangers are good enough, they will win the league; without any outside help. As always, we can only ask that Rangers are dealt with in the same manner Celtic were in the past.

Here is a link to Peter Lawwell’s robust comments opposing the SPL potentially extending the season to provide Rangers with recovery time between their games: http://www.celticfc.net/news/stories/news_210308151302.aspx

As well as the fixture congestion from 1971, Celtic also suffered in 1974 when they were forced them to play and incredible three games in four days.

After returning home from a European Cup semi final in Madrid on Thursday 25 April, Celtic played league games against Falkirk on Saturday 27 April, Aberdeen on Monday, 29 April and Morton the next day, Tuesday 30 April. They won the league, their ninth in succession, by four points from Hibernian.

Celtic finished that week at Hampden, with another Scottish Cup win.

Is it only Celtic who can be asked to play three games in four days on the back of a European semi final? Rangers must accept whatever fixture burden their success thrusts upon them and the SPL must show no partiality (which could determine the destination of the league) in arranging fixtures.

The FA Premier League had four full league programmes in the week between Monday 26 December 2005 and Monday 2 January 2006.

The experience was not fatal. On 3 January 2006, the sun rose in the east and set in the west; Chelsea played games on all four dates and went on to win the league.

Rangers could be allowed nine days, Saturday to the following Sunday to play four games; extending the league to help their players prepare for the rigours of competition would be preposterous; it would be akin to administering THG by committee.

To get away with extending the season would be cheating.

Bearing in mind one SPL club owner claims to have 80% of the Scottish media in his pocket, it will be interesting to see how the media report and try to influence the SPL board’s decision on fixture arrangements.

The FA Premier League had four full league programmes in the nine days from Sunday 26 December 2004 to Monday 3 January 2005.

The country lived through the experience. On 4 January 2005, people returned to work, some socialised as though nothing had happened. Chelsea played games on all four dates and went on to win the league.

Rangers could be allowed the same period, Saturday to the following Sunday, to play four games; extending the league to help Rangers get ready for important games would be cheating.

Morrissey the 23rd

June 23, 2008, 10:55 PM

PART 2 of a long response:

Celtic planning Japan tour:
http://www.tribalfootball.com/article.php?id=84883

Celtic clarify Japanese tour story:
http://www.celticfc.net/news/stories/news_260308152325.aspx

Mizuno sees bright Celtic future after belated first appearance:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/scottish/mizuno-sees-bright-celtic-future-after-belated-first-appearance-801105.html

THE BBC has apologised after a Radio Scotland presenter read out an email on the channel's Newsdrive programme last week saying Ibrox is home to "half-human, half-animal hybrids".
At the end of a debate on human embryos, presenters Ruth Davidson and Abeer Macintyre read out listeners' emails. One of the comments stated: "Half-human, half-animal hybrids are not new – Ibrox has been their home for over a century."

The comment went unchallenged prompting a deluge of complaints from livid Rangers supporters. A BBC Scotland spokesman said: "We agree it wasn't a very constructive contribution to the debate and apologise for any offence caused."

It's not the first time the BBC has been in hot water with Rangers fans.

Two years ago, BBC weather girl and Kilmarnock fan Kirsty McCabe advised viewers to "wrap up warm if they are heading for Castle Greyskull" in a dig at Ibrox.[/QUOTE]

I say I pay the ticket in full and you give my winnings to the SLC.

Needless to say, the Scottish media, dedicated professionals to a man and all committed to accuracy, honesty, impariallity and truth, did not ask too many difficult, potentially embarrassing questions to Ally 'the card' McCoist last night.

His patriotism without peer cannot be questioned. Well, apart from abandoning his country in the midst of a campaign to reach a major tournament but you'd be silly to expect to see any talk of that! Have there been any other international managers who have done that?

George Burley said he expected "quite a number" of the Rangers sick list to be sidelined on Saturday.

Well, it seems cheating FC's international commitment dodgers have all recovered overnight.

Fit Celtic player declared unfit by SFA. Anything to do with 'Old firm' bias?

It's hard to support Scotland. Such a divided, bitter country.

http://sport.scotsman.com/sport/SFA-stand-by--.3925949.jp

http://www.celtic.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=104596

McCoist said BEFORE the Scotland game he expected all four Rankers players to be fit for Saturday The Daily Rangers have never been keen on facts. Still.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/2008/03/28/celtic-want-answers-after-robson-sent-home-by-scotland-86908-20365466/

http://www.sportingo.com/football/a7875_there-celticrangers-game-coming-up-by-any-chance

Just some friendly advice. There are more important things in life to get worked up about?

And you will be humped tomorrow!

What he said.

Soon enough the postponed games will be irrelevant.

Half time
This is Hugh - Tears Tears Tears

This is Jukebox Jury full in the knowledge that a tenner is coming his way > Cool. Cool. Guitar. Guitar.

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Man, my predicting skills are getting better.

1-0 to the Gers, not so much a humping, more like a slow, boring intense shag and we came and Celtic didn't.

Bring on the excuses!

1.Protestant Conspiracy.
2.Masonic Conspiracy.
3.Combined Protestant/Masonic conspiracy.
4.The weak dollar/Turmoil in the money markets.
5.They started before we were ready.

League Cup winners, 6 points clear in the league with a game in hand, still in the UEFA cup and still in the Scottish cup. And man we are a boring team to watch!

Football is fun..:)

The easiest tenner I have ever earned.....:D

Kilt Uncle, like you, I await the excuses and the links to how Celtic fans behaved better than Rangers fans in Barcelona, as if somehow that gets them extra points in the SPL or further in Europe:rolleyes:
By the way, you missed off 'Rangers players pulling out of international friendly games' as an excuse too;)

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Well, there was a story during the week about Celtic fans singing sectarian songs while in Barcelona and that UEFA may be investigating it. Probably a rogue Rangers supporter plying the Celtic angels with buckfast and threatening them with instant death unless they sang something which may cause offence..:) Probably Ian Paisley dressed as a French Maid promising 'extras' if they help the protestant cause..:)

I don't know, people take this stuff very seriously but it's obvious to me that all clubs have their idiotic elements who spoil it for the majority.

Today was great though. Very orgasmic..:)

Todays result means a poor Cheating FC side will probably win the SPL.

Failing to score is costing us dearly. As did man of the match - Stuart McDougal.

In the 21st minute, Whittaker fouled Scott Brown in the box. The ball was then carried over the goal-line by the fully fit McGergor. Result - Celtic stonewall penalty denied, no red card for Whittaker, Rangers awarded goal kick and Vennegoor booked.

Injury time of 3 minutes was played. This was made up of five 2nd half subs (5 x 30secs) plus 3mins 38 secs stopage time for treatment of cheat Kevin Thompson, for his self-inflicted injury. This cheat was already on a yellow card when he dived. Why was he not given a red for cheating? Just as Darcheville wasn't punished for diving. We all already know. We can carry on pretending that bigotry in Scotland is a conspiricy and that things even themselves out.

Just because laptop loyalist Alan Carson from The Hun says Celtic fans are about to be punished by UEFA does not make it true.

Carry on. Don't let facts get in the way.

Ignoring the fact that two of Celtic's players should have been sent off, but weren't.

Have Celtic ever lost a game fair and square? At least you can always fall back on your moral victories. :D

The Car Park Awaits

Please don't bring sense into this thread. He's evidently unable to comprehend it.

You see the scary thing is, i think you actually believe all that stuff. You see Bigotry in Scotland manifests and manifested itself in the fact that poor catholic families were treated like crap, given the worst jobs, the worst housing conditions, paid peanuts, they weren't given jobs because they didn't go to the 'correct' schools and they were treated like second class citizens. THAT, my friend is the manifestation of bigotry where it really matters, i don't think that a multi-million pound football club suffered quite the same, do you?

The way that you take the real problems of bigotry and apply them to your football team is pathetic.

If there is a masonic conspiracy against your club why do you even bother competing? Why are Celtic spending millions on players when they already know that they won't win the league? More money wasted that could be going to those poor catholic families. And this conspiracy you speak of isn't very successful is it? Celtic have won just about the same amount of trophies as Rangers, how can that possibly happen if all the referees and officials are against you? If i was you i'd get on the phone to the chairman, Mr Ried - the guy who trouped into the lobbies at Westminster and voted for the illegal, immoral war, and tell him that you shouldn't bother putting out any money because there's not a hope in hell of the team winning anything while this public, masonic conspiracy to deprive the team of trophies, continues to exist.

I think you're the man for the job.

And Scotland isn't a bitter, divided country. It only is to people who don't realise it's not the 1970's any more and things have changed and they are constantly changing. And the sooner we get rid of Organised Religion and the bullshit it perpetuates, the better. And that includes the bullshit perpetuated by Old Firm fans and the so-called conspiraces that seems to deprive Rangers and Celtic of success, even though they've just about won EVERY trophy in the history of Scottish football between them since the dawn of time. Yes, we have paranoid tossers at Rangers too.

It's time to evolve.

[QUOTE=Morrissey the 23rd;825516]The tosser comment and subsequently yourself should have been ignored for writing that towards me.

You pretend bigotry doesn't exist or at least have a blinkered view that it is ok at certain levels. The flute bands didn't stop marching in the '70's and bigotry is alive and kicking today. Only yesterday somebody had their throat slit for wearing a Celtic top.

We can both wish religion did not play a part in Scottish football or society but it does.

Morrissey the 23rd

June 23, 2008, 10:57 PM

PART 3 of a long response:

I hate how Celtic and Rangers are lumped together under the collective term 'Old firm'. They are two separate entities. It's laughable to talk of a anti-Rangers conspiracy. You could expand on that if you wish. It shouldn't take long. Celtic fans generally avoid the term 'old firm' to distance themselves from Rangers. The term is often used against Celtic by lumping us togther with problems concerning them. This article from 'Scotland on Sunday' today demonstrates that a little:

Tom English: Robson: The intriguing riddle of Scotland's fifth man

'ONE BARRY Robson, there's only one Barry Robson". Actually, there are two. There must be. How else can we explain the comments of Gordon Strachan and George Burley last week? This character they both spoke of; crocked in the Cameron House hotel one minute and galloping around Celtic's training ground at Lennoxtown like a man possessed the next. Can't have been the same person, can it?

Strachan says Robson was good to go for Wednesday night's friendly against Croatia; Burley says he wasn't. Burley talked about a knee injury that Robson picked up playing against Gretna last weekend, a blow diagnosed by his medical team, Professor Stewart Hillis and Dr John MacLean, and deemed sufficiently severe to have him sent home to nurse his wound. No 'we'll monitor it over the next 24 hours' and no 'we'll give him every chance to prove his fitness'. No, it was cut and dried. Robson hadn't a prayer of making a recovery in time.

Strachan said he knew nothing about any wound, any injury. His player was "100% fit" he said. The Celtic manager was confused. He scrunched up his face in that way of his and seemed to be wondering, "Robbo? A knee? When? And if he's injured, who's that guy out there sprinting around like a lunatic? Barry, is that really you?"

In the mid-1960s, Muhammad Ali hit Sonny Liston with a punch that nobody saw. Knocked the Big Ugly Bear clean out. He called it the Phantom Punch. Everybody believed that Liston took a dive but Ali fought that talk with everything he had. "I hit so fast I switch off the light and I'm in bed before it's dark," he said. "Wanna see how fast the Phantom Punch is? (Ali stands still and doesn't move a muscle for five seconds) Wanna see it again?"

When did Robson's phantom blow land? Right under Strachan's nose apparently. Right there while he was looking on at Almondvale last Sunday afternoon. Happened after about 10 minutes apparently. Strachan missed it. Fancy that. He'd only 11 men to keep an eye on and he couldn't spot that one of them was struggling with a dodgy knee. This problem was contagious, clearly. The medical staff alongside Strachan in the dugout also didn't see anything untoward about Robson's movement. Neither, it has to be said, did Robson himself. How extraordinary it must have been for him to turn up at the Scotland camp only to be told that not only was he not fit but that he wouldn't be fit in three days' time either.

"What's the problem, doc?"

"It's your knee, son. Look at the state of it."

"Feels okay to me."

"It's like a balloon, man. You cannae play with that."

"Er, really?"

This is a curious business. We read about the controversy of the Old Firm Five last week but, really, there were only four of them. The cases of Barry Ferguson, Lee McCulloch, Christian Dailly and Allan McGregor were altogether different to Robson's. This is surely one of the first instances in the history of friendly international matches where a club offers the services of a player and the country rejects him on the grounds of an alleged dubious injury. This is so back to front it's hard to fathom.

The theories on this are obvious ones. Scotland sent a Celtic man home so as to dilute the effect of all those Rangers guys withdrawing. Hence, it could be billed as the Old Firm Five pulling out and not the Rangers Four. We don't know if that's true or not but it's a hair-raising take on things and not an unreasonable one. Strachan has done nothing to downplay his suspicions in all of this and the SFA have done nothing to quash those suspicions. They say they're waiting for an official complaint from Celtic on the matter. Then they'll investigate.

The Record broke this story on Friday. They sold it as "Celts fury at Robson SFA Riddle". The Celtic hierarchy were said to be furious and demanding an explanation as to why Robson exited the Scotland squad "against his will". We will see just how furious Celtic are. My guess is that they are angry but that they won't make a huge deal of this. Life's too short and all that. And the season's at too critical a point to be sidetracked by issues such as this.

Maybe they will go to war, but I doubt it. If they don't, that shouldn't be the end of it. The SFA ought to be asking a few discreet questions in the background after this. Burley, for one, may be wondering what the hell is going on. He has his medical staff telling him Robson is unfit and Strachan telling the country the opposite. He has the ludicrous spectacle of a player with much to offer being shunted while supposedly pleading to be left to stay in camp and prove that he is ready to play.

A small point here: if Celtic were happy for Robson to stay and Robson was happy to stay, what harm was there in allowing him to stay? Where was the downside? Wasn't Monday a little premature to be making definite calls on his fitness if Celtic were in no mad rush to have him back?

Scottish football is the subject of more storms and furies and outrages than you can shake a stick at and most of them are overblown pieces of nonsense. This is an intriguing one, though. The conflict in opinion on Robson's state of health needs resolving. Somebody is out of line here. And if Celtic don't take the lead in this matter the SFA shouldn't see that as their cue to bury it.[/QUOTE]

I normally do an excellent job in ignoring your existence. You could ignore me too if you like? I know it's hard. I'm irresistible to follow.

Yeah, Broadfoot should have been sent off too but he plays for Rangers. Naylor was booked for dissent after that hun dived and was awarded a foul. Fair and square?

Oh, you mean Novo for raising his hand? No. Can't be him. He wasn't wearing hoops. Ah! That's why he got away with that! BTW, what does Ferguson have to do to get booked? Fair and square?

Brown is taken out of play deliberately. Ref gives offside, even though it happened after Brown went down. Fair and square?

Thomson dives, Boruc leans over and says something, Novo pushes Boruc. Boruc booked! Thomson (already on a yellow card) is then stretchered off, avoiding further punishment and waste a great deal of time. Anti-football at its best. Rangers are then allowed to make a substitution but not Celtic. Fair and square?

It is a war of attrition. Every little bit to help out Rangers and disadvantage Celtic in every game the teams play, no matter the opposition. It isn't inconsistent or poor referring, as it consistently favours Rangers and consistently disadvantages Celtic. It's plain old cheating and shamefully anti-catholic. Celtic need to be much better than Rangers to be able to win.

European games are so different. I'd love foreign refs to ref Scottish games.

Can you imagine how it must feel to win despite every dirty, corrupt, underhand, sneaky, sleekit trick the establishment could throw our your way?

In all the posts I've made over the years concerning Celtic that is probably the first time I've mentioned Catholic. I would like to see religion erradicated from all areas of all societies. I certainly don't like religion being linked with Celtic EVERY mention. I got bored of that when I was 11. I mentioned this time because it is a fact that the anti-Celtic agenda is based on anti-catholic bigotry.

The whole sorry mess makes me proud to be a Celtic fan. My passion is perhaps fuelled by bigotry experienced by me over 37 years, simply for supporting Celtic. I know we are meant to just bow our heads and say nothing but I also have a passion for equality and fairness. I will never be mastered.

The tosser comment wasn't necessarily aimed at you, i merely put the cap on the chair and you decided to wear it. But that mentality is infuriating. If the rules are all against you why are you wasting your time as a club even bothering to compete? And why are you going into so much detail when it's all for nothing. It makes no sense.

I don't ignore the problems of bigotry and i mentioned them in a bit of detail. But things are getting better and they'll get even better when people allow those rediculous traditions and superstitions to fade away.

Rangers withdrew their players from the squad because they have too many important games to play as a club, and it was just a meaningless international friendly after all. If it had been a World Cup qualifier then i would share your fury, believe me. But as Rangers are still in 4 competitions and the club pay their wages then i think that the clubs should treat International friendlies with the importance they really deserve, which isn't much. What would Burley learn about established international players who have played for their countries many times anyway? These games should be an occasion to elevate young players to full international caps and try out new playing systems so that the friendly game itself can actually have some point.

If you want me to back down from the tosser remark then i'm happy to do that.

Victory has a way of making me humble. It was a beautiful goal though, you must admit?

Morrissey the 23rd

June 23, 2008, 10:58 PM

PART 4 of a long response:

Good Thompson Rangers v Celtic goal: http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=9t50dSgsx78

When you wrote in a post directed and in response to me, 'we have paranoid tossers at Rangers too', I find it hard to see who else other than myself it was directed at. I didn't twist your post into making it look like that.

It isn't true to say Rangers (The very sight of the Saltire should embarrass them) withdrew their players from the squad. They pretended they were injured and the SFA were complict. What is the goal of the SFA?

Nor does it make sense to say if we can't stop the cheating, we shouldn't play.

Good goal? No but it was more than we mananged and ultimately the difference that matters. Hartley carelessly put the ball out for a throw in a block tackle.Thomson (You can't be proud of his cheating, are you?) was left in space, in the middle of the Celtic half to collect a throw-in and move forward. By the time Brown noticed he was unmarked, Cheat Thomson was already planning his forward move. Samaras realises too late that nobody has picked up Thomson in the middle and Hartley fails to tackle Thomson. Naylor is daydreaming and Thomson gives him 15 metres and still overtakes him. McManus fails to put in the final vital tackle. Caldwell is AWOL. Boruc normally saves better hit shots.

When Celtic conceded the throw-in inside their own half. Like all teams should, they should immediately mark-up to ensure the opponent is limited to throwing a high ball forward. Sadly, this isn't the first time this season Celtic have been slow to mark at a throw in, but it was the most costly.

Nor can you be proud of the religious intolerance evident at Ibrox?

Do you know if the Police acted on the banner unfurled before Artur Boruc at the start of the second half mocking his religion?

The SFA should raise the matter with Rangers. Lets see if they do.

For those reading this who don't know. The banner belittled an act of Christian worship as “voodoo”. Now it is a view I hold myself but this would be taken as a deeply offensive insult and provoked media outrage if aimed at a believer of any other faith.

If Rangers are genuine about their ‘Pride over Prejudice’ campaign they must apologise to Artur Boruc and ban the offending fans. Tolerating prejudice like this is will only reinforce a reputation they claim they want rid of and will set the wrong example to another genaration of younger fans.

Rangers have a duty to ensure that in 2008 Catholic footballers are no subject to prejudice. Time to evolve.

Artur Boruc starts every half of every game he plays in the same manner, a fact that has seldom featured in the media feeding frenzy that follows each visit to Ibrox. I am sure this incident would have been witnessed by all media representatives at the match; however, on this occasion Boruc’s visit to the Rangers end of the ground went unreported. Why?

Some stats from last weekend's EPL games:

Reading... 20 fouls conceded, no yellow cards
Man City... 14 fouls conceded, no yellow cards
Aston Villa... 9 fouls conceded, no yellow cards
Newcastle Utd... 9 fouls conceded, no yellow cards
Birmingham... 16 fouls conceded, 1 yellow card (1 per 16 fouls)
Arsenal... 13 fouls conceded, 1 yellow card (1 per 13 fouls)
Man Utd... 12 fouls conceded, 1 yellow card (1 per 12 fouls)
Derby County... 10 fouls conceded, 1 yellow card (1 per 10 fouls)
Bolton... 9 fouls conceded, 1 yellow card (1 per 9 fouls)
Fulham... 5 fouls conceded, 1 yellow card (1 per 5 fouls)
Sunderland... 11 fouls conceded, 2 yellow cards (1 per 5.5 fouls)
Middlesbrough... 9 fouls conceded, 2 yellow cards (1 per 4.5 fouls)
Chelsea... 11 fouls conceded, 3 yellow cards (1 per 3.67 fouls)
Liverpool... 12 fouls conceded, 4 yellow cards (1 per 3 fouls)

And in the SPL yesterday...

Rangers... 13 fouls conceded, 3 yellow cards (1 per 4.33 fouls)
Celtic... 13 fouls conceded, 5 yellow cards (1 per 2.6 fouls)

So suddenly the team that has had the best disciplinary record for the last 2 seasons, and the 2nd best this season (notwithstanding the corrupt refereeing in the first game at Ibrox), is now the dirtiest team in England and Scotland?... I don't think so.

But when you get your players booked for being fouled and for failing to concede a penalty, what can you do?!

Why would I wish to ignore you? I find your imaginative and deluded posts beguiling, not quite irresistible but moderately amusing. Although, you failed to entertain this time, I became hopelessly bored after the second paragraph of nonsense.

Hugh

It's the Star & Garter on Friday and the Ambitious Outsiders gig in Bradford on Saturday. Any chance of that £10 before Friday? It would come in handy for the weekend;)

PS Talking of conspiracy theories, I haven't seen you mention that the top man at the SFA is Gordon Smith, former Man City, Brighton and, er, Glasgow Rangers player:D:D

Jukebox Jury

Large crowds do influence the refs. Also less talented teams create more fouls. Celtic benefit more from the ref only when they are already ahead.

There are no questionable songs sung at Parkhead these days. You can rest assured that the media will have it on the front page if even a handful of people ever do.

The travelling fans of all clubs are more trouble for their club than the home fans but as you say. Progress has been made and continues to improve.

BTW The worst behaved Scottish fans I've ever witnessed are not Rangers fans.

Scotty B is no dud. So, if it's ok. I'd rather keep him.

I'm also in favour of the Rangers fans campaign for us to keep WGS.

Officials deal Celtic a telling blow:
http://www.eleven-a-side.com/blogs/viewblog.asp?bid=164

UEFA drop Celtic case:
http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5hgWTx7CCNFjmO6bglb70iu7oWh2w

The Scottish press ran with a story the Celtic fans were subject to a Uefa investigation on Friday ahead of the game against Rangers the following day, quoting an unnamed Uefa source who was not authorised to make a public statement.

I understand that following a subsequent representation, Uefa are now investigating how they appear to have been used to generate negative headlines against a Scottish club ahead of an important game.

The source of the Uefa quote and the journalists behind the original complaint (not only the journalist reported elsewhere) are known to the governing body and will be subject to the investigation on how Uefa were used to manipulate preparations for a Scottish league match.

Celtic: Record smirk at The Big Lie
http://www.celtic.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=104841

Blood on the streets:
http://www.sundaylife.co.uk/news/article3565857.ece

Time for SFA to close a stand at Ibrox:

Scotland Shirkers manager, Walter Smith, was adamant his team should have been awarded a penalty on Saturday when Kevin Thomson went down in the box under the weight of Giorgios Samaras’ cologne, "I don't know why nothing was given as the boy nearly got a broken leg and how can you break a leg without contact?”

Smith is right, you cannot break a leg without contact, but you can not break a leg without contact.

The intellectual challenge of following his own logic appears to be too much for Sherlock Smith, as he concluded, "He does not have a broken leg but I guess it is one of those situations that will remain a mystery.”

Thomson added to the embarrassing diatribe, “"Boruc wanted me to get a second booking [for diving] which would have been ridiculous.

"For Boruc to react the way he did? That lacked class.

"I'm not going to get dragged into anything controversial but let's just say I was disappointed with his reaction.”

One wonders what a Rangers player needs to do to get dragged into something controversial.

Boruc’s actions happened a few minutes after a banner mocking his religious observances was displayed by the Rangers support behind his goal. Clearly the assumption at Ibrox remains that they reserve the right to mock the beliefs of visiting Catholic players and will cry foul if these players appear unduly animated afterwards.

Like any other person living in Scotland, Artur Boruc is entitled to have his beliefs protected; if the SFA or Strathclyde Police cannot stop religious persecution at Ibrox, the governing body must at the very least instruct referees to show tolerance towards the inevitable results.

Every time Boruc plays in front of the Copeland Road stand he is subject to a torrent of religious abuse; if Uefa was in charge of Scottish football, the stand would undoubtedly be closed.

Time to show you have gotten over that problem you had with “enemy” football teams, Gordon Smith. You are presiding over the acknowledged and persistent religious persecution of a footballer.

Close the stand.

Morrissey the 23rd

June 23, 2008, 11:06 PM

PART 5 of a long response:

Hugh
I know I've taken liberties on this thread in jest (although, come on, cough up the tenner, Hugh know it's over)

Absolutely in no way do I condone the actions of Rangers / Linfield fans but lets be honest, NO teams fans are innocent.
A united fan going friend of mine (yes, I do have maybe three:eek:) says he is glad that the yearly united / Celtic testimonial 'love in' seems to have ceased to take place. He hated it. Celtic fans turned up in droves, drunk, singing pro Irish / anti English / British songs and generally misbehaving.
There were letters to the MEN on this very point the last time the two teams met at the Theatre of Wet Dreams.
City / Leeds and other clubs fans sing about Munich, united fans sing about Hillsborough, some London clubs (and others) refer to Spurs as 'Yids' and sing about gas chambers. There are songs about the Leeds fans getting stabbed in Istanbul etc etc

The above doesnt make it right or acceptable, but it (unfortunately) takes place. If the Munich disaster happened to City, I dare say united fans would be chanting the same sick songs to City fans.

What I'm trying to say (I think, as it is 1.30am and as usual I'm under the influence) is the more you let the 'Big Jock Knew' thing get to you, the more it will be done. Laugh at them and they are the ones agitated because they have failed. As long as you know and believe 'Big Jock Didn't know', then what have you to worry about. Don't rise to it. Laugh at the fuckers.

But, as Ronny Biggs said on the cover of 'No One Is Innocent' - no one is innocent, but some are more guilty than others.........

Jukebox Jury

Glasgow Seltic 0 Motherwell 1 Eek!

Hugh,
Do you need my address to forward that tenner?
And dont respond with City's score because it has no baring on this bet;)

No need to thank me for refusing to make the bet £50 as you were offering at the time of the bet.........

Jukebox Jury

I just thought I'd re-post this, purely for hysterical purposes:D

Jukebox Jury

Now now! I will not stand by and watch you oppress people who have already suffered so much in the past!

And the defeat for Celtic today is obviously not down to the bad play of the team, even though Motherwell were down to 10 men for 37 whole minutes of the second half, it is obviously down to the on-going masonic conspiracy to deny the team justice.

In your favour, you did refuse to take more money in regards to the bet. Your compassion is admirable and i congratulate you for it.

As for the Masonic person of questionable parentage in the black, he sent off an ex Rangers player, who was playing for Motherwell today, but he will be dealt with at the next lodge meeting.

How can the Rangers brotherhood conspire to deny the enemy with traitor officials like this who just don't seem to understand the rules!

In the meantime, please do not victimise victims. It's just not nice.

Kilt Uncle
That ref will be found at the bottom of the Clyde, feet in a concrete block:D

I await the following links to be posted by Hugh

www.youtube.com /therefonlysentonemotherwellplayeroff/itshouldhavebeenthree

www.youtube.com /fourblatentpenaltydecsionsturneddown

www.youtube.com /theballwasjustabouttocrossthelineandapigeonflewacr ossthegoalandtheballhitthepigeonandtheballdeflecte dwide

www.youtube.com /ianpaisleylargingitupinthemotherwellend

Jukebox Jury

Bumping it up until Hugh responds

Jukebox Jury

I will look forward to reading it.

BTW, the YouTube topics were brilliant. I would have been very proud to come up with those myself..:)

Hugh,
Whenever you are ready, feel free to reply.

Jukebox Jury

Rangers the soon to be Scottish Champions, progress through to the Uefa Cup Semi - Finals, after a victory away from home against Sporting Lisbon. Another team in Green and White hoops defeated by Rangers.

Final Score
Sporting Lisbon 0 - 2 Rangers

The grand anti-catholic, masonic propagated conspiracy is spreading across Europe.

I had no idea about this. Selective memory syndrome..:) We have a phenomenal amount of arseholes at Rangers and the fans don't conduct themselves very well, it's a constant embarrassment.

If M23 could cut the conspiracy rubbish, then technically you'd have to be a mass-murderer to make the average Rangers fan look bad. Sad but true. Individually they are okay, but put them all together and they take on the form of this idiotic blob.

But Evolution affects everything and Rangers fans are next for the big new evolutionary step. We get our Thumbs soon.

Thankfully one of them had a pen and paper and therefore all questions were written down, they did understand my accent though

So now Queen Of The South stand in the way of the treble, Fiorentina and Bayern Munich in the way of the QUADROUPLE:guitar:

Jukebox Jury

Well done to Glasgow Selltick in 'finally' manging to win a game and avenging last weeks defeat against Motherwell:D. 3 points nearer to Glasgow Rangers (though a further game in hand) so no doubt my tenner will have to wait a little longer......

Meanwhile, over at Firhill, the 'Quadrouple' became another step closer....

Jukebox Jury

I wonder if Hugh will come back on here now

I still want my tenner Hugh...... two games in hand.... they are just toying with you

Jukebox Jury

Girfuy.

Pmsl.

Snigger.

Chortle.

Titter.

[QUOTE=Morrissey the 23rd;893558]Awh! Shame!

Big Jock Knew - Post from Albion - July 16, 2007, 09:12 PM:
http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showpost.php?p=616859&postcount=2

Shame on you.

Big Jock Knew - It’s Just The Shame Old Story:
http://www.etims.net/index.php?Itemid=29&id=1957&option=com_content&task=view

A club with a poison at its core:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/scotland/article3942106.ece

"Some of you may be aware by now of this excruciating embarrassment for Rangers known as the “Big Jock Knew” campaign (henceforth BJK). The chant, which has been fomented among the usual victims on a fans’ website and by certain Rangers supporters groups leaders, refers to a Celtic Boys Club controversy of more than 30 years ago.

The episode shocked Jock Stein, then the Celtic manager, when he was informed about it. Yet this Rangers song, as factually flawed and repellent as it is, tries to infer that Stein either condoned or attempted to cover-up the incident, which is nonsense.

I have to admit I never thought I’d ever see the day when Scottish football supporters sang a song about a child sex abuse case, yet Rangers have duly delivered. Even more amazing and shocking is Rangers FC’s ongoing silence on the matter, as this cretinous chant builds up its head of steam among supporters.

In the Scottish media we have tried to help Rangers by not quoting the subject in our pages, giving the club the chance for once to be proactive rather than reactive to misconduct among their less-fortunate followers. But those days of our silence on BJK are drawing to a close for one good reason – the longer this deafening silence from Ibrox about it prevails, the more decent people are starting to agitate for Rangers to actually do something about it.

Gordon Smith, the SFA chief executive, had the guts and the moral fibre to refer to BJK as “morally repugnant”. Yet what have Rangers got to say about it? Does no one at the club actually possess the bottle to stand up and condemn it?

BJK is now a ticking time-bomb for Rangers. It is The Billy Boys all over again and I am frankly amazed that the club hasn’t learnt lessons from their recent past and their prosecution by Uefa. Unless Rangers do something and act strongly, this proud but benighted club is once more going to be stung."

From 'The Times' November 24, 2007 by Graham Spiers.

What is the sick campaign against Jock Stein, promoted by 'Albion' all about?:
http://jockstein.awardspace.com/Sick%20Campaign.htm

Twisted Assault On A True Football Legend by George Galloway:
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/comment/columnists/lifestyle-columnists/george-galloway/2007/10/01/twisted-assault-on-a-true-football-legend-86908-19873999/

Big Jock - The Truth:
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=7L4Llt3LS7w

Scotland's Shame - Rangers fans 16/04/08:
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=mcpx4b42qxw

Scotland's Shame In Manchester:
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=bftNWekzCLg

"There is no excuse for it to be honest. From what I saw before the game there was no need for attacking paramedics and the police, it is indefensible." John MacMillan, The general secretary of the Rangers Supporters Association.

Morrissey the 23rd

June 23, 2008, 11:35 PM

http://image58.webshots.com/758/9/77/29/2096977290102988353CGhcnv_ph.jpgPART 6

BIG JOCK KNEW:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzkFrGbreD8[/QUOTE]

Big Jock Knew - Post from Albion - July 16, 2007, 09:12 PM:
http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/sho...59&postcount=2

From a blog on the net from Friday, 23 May 2008
John Bhoy said...
Now, I’m not usually one to rub it in, but that league win was sweet; sweet as a nut. I said I would congratulate Rangers if they won the SPL; sadly, for Rangers supporters, this scenario has not transpired. All the trips to Barcelona, Bremen, Panathinaikos, Lisbon, Florence, Lyon, Stuttgart, and of course, Manchester, not to mention all the league games, have, alas, been in vain. Unless of course the CIS cup and the Scottish cup (although Queen of the South greatly troubled the plucky, cash-strapped Kinning park club) is to be lauded as a good return for the season. I'm not religious, but I kind-of like the idea of Karma; you might say that, on Thursday, 22nd May at just after 9.30pm, the cosmic forces truly portioned out justice Karma-style.

Isn't it somehow poetically justified that, after all the giggling, laughing and sneering at the victims of child-abuse, all the white protestant supremist, nationalistic, xenophobic, racist, sectarian hate spewed from the beer and pie holes of a majority of people who claim to support Rangers has, this season, all ended up running down the tattooed and scarred collective face of said support? Manchester facilitated the transmitting of Rangers fans' general imperialistic delusions to a global audience; most Rangers fans feel that only white, 'British', protestant people are, in fact, 'ra peepel'. Isn't the collective identity problem being experience by the Rangers fans just now both deeply disturbing, and outrageously amusing at the same time? For example, how does the image of hundreds of Rangers 'fans' rioting and battering the crap out of the British police force whilst singing 'rule Britannia' actually look? (Forgive me, but I’ve just taken a few minutes to come out of a giggling fit there...). Imagine! Growling 'Rule Britannia' whilst kicking forty shades of shite out of a British police officer! It's so absurd that it belongs on Harry Hill's TV Burp.

If you think the name of Rangers F.C has taken a kicking over the last week, just imagine what would have happened if those animals whaling on the policeman had actually killed him… and believe me, it will happen one day. It’s easy to see that the tide of social conscience has changed in a way which is rapidly leaving the now increasingly moronic, racist, bigoted majority of the Rangers support behind. It’s all over. The fantasies of killing Catholics, of wading through feinian blood, of sending all people of Irish-catholic descent ‘back home’, of telling people of the sashes worn by fathers etc, is being left behind; the zeitgeist is flying away from the favourite pass-times of the Rangers support faster than a speeding bullet. Rangers F.C. as a club, its support, its politics, its values, beliefs and its whole ethos now only serve to remind us all of the disgusting, moronic narrow-minded attitudes which are practiced openly and without apology in Scotland; but it is being challenged more. Taking this into consideration, you can imagine how Rangers F.C. will look to the outside world in, say, 10 years time. Singing ‘Big Jock Knew’ instead of their hate songs will fool nobody; very few people are impressed to see thousands of people engaged in widespread laughing, sneering and posturing over the abuse of youngsters.

Also, how on Earth did 23 Rangers ‘fans’ manage to get arrested at IBROX when the only fans watching the live beam-back of the UEFA Final in the stadium where fans of Rangers? Who were they fighting with? It's hilarious. And, at the second of two old firm games at Parkhead recently, the Rangers 'fans' unfurled a star of David flag of the Nation of Israel; they actually unfurled a flag which symbolises the legitimacy and existence of the Jewish state of Israel, despite being caught many times (including once in Israel itself!!!!!) giving Nazi salutes!!! (or was it ‘red hand salutes’?!?!?!) You couldn't make this stuff up, you really couldn't. It would seem that, rather than defining themselves as people who love something (i.e. their club, their national identity, the Queen etc) Rangers fans seem to define themselves by what they HATE: i.e. all things NOT white, NOT British, NOT protestant, NOT xenophobic etc. Rangers fans don't really (it would seem) love anything; they merely HATE all which is not nationalist, racist, protestant etc. It’s a strange situation.

Anyhoo, I digress. I had actually let go of the title a few weeks ago but, having attended the two old-firm games at Parkhead (and two smashing Celtic victories) I started to get a bit of hope; and look what ends up happening! I think it was Marvin Andrews (Jesus loves you) who coined the phrase 'keep believing' (funny how Marvin wasn't set upon by an irate Scottish media for wearing t-shirts with Jesus 'slogans' on the field of play during his time in Scotland....) ; well, big Marv was right. Well done on Rangers’ efforts this season; for a team as cash-strapped (skint) as they are, they put up a good fight. Alas, the Great Glasgow Celtic won it in the end; it's becoming a recurring theme now (3-in-a-row, I think.....). I’m looking forward to another season of Wattenaccio (Daily Record©), a good SPL contest, Rangers 'fans' trashing another selection of Europe’s finest cities whilst singing 'big jock knew' and flooding the continent with pish, vomit and blood, and another sustained pro-Rangers media campaign. Don't get me wrong; I’m not completely devoid of compassion - I remember Seville, losing the title on the last day in 2003 (without an extension), and of course, losing it stupidly in 2005's 'black Sunday'. Those were sore ones to take; and many Rangers fans revelled in Celtic's misery. Well, guess what I’ll by doing over the next few days and weeks?

John Bhoy,
Glasgow.

(To Albion)Moral and actual, Fannybaws. Understand this? Loser.

Team Pld W D L F A GD Pts
Celtic 38 28 5 5 84 26 58 89
Rangers 38 27 5 6 84 32 52 86
Motherwell 38 18 6 14 49 45 4 60
Dundee Utd 38 14 10 14 53 47 6 52
Hibernian 38 14 10 14 49 45 4 52
Falkirk 38 13 10 15 44 48 -4 49
Aberdeen 38 14 9 15 46 57 -11 51
Hearts 38 13 9 16 47 55 -8 48
Inverness CT 38 13 4 21 50 61 -11 43
St. Mirren 38 10 11 17 26 54 -28 41
Kilmarnock 38 10 10 18 38 52 -14 40
Gretna 38 5 9 24 32 80 -48 24

Watch at 2mins 8 seconds how Cheating bigot FC fans think they have scored early into the final at Manchester. PMSL:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSMVxho0XKQ

For the Dobs in hiding:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PG4bhRXOOY

No hiding place for the guilty:
http://sport.scotsman.com/uefacup/No-hiding-place-for-the.4095438.jp

Is it Safe to Dance? Celtic FC Champions edition:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfoM41BLN9w

Unique Quadruple:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGZ3Jj5oVI8

Scotlands Shame, Humanity's Embaressment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hLdH9BWQp4

"The Sash My Father Wore" - Rangers FC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3_pP3SDW_c

CELTIC IS ROCKY III IN A ROW:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdvr5IBYjsU

Albion:

JJ - I can expect Leslie at the SLC to advise me that you gave him a tenner towards their appeal because you took a bet with me when Rearrangers were 4pts ahead, with games in hand but Celtic won the league, just like I said they would.

http://www.salfordladsclub.org.uk/index.php/Section15.html

Kilt uncle - You're no a bad lad but GIRFUY.:)

Albion - Shame on you. Before I put you back onto ignore. :D:D:D 3-in-a-row Big Jock Knew alright.

Morrissey the 23rd

June 24, 2008, 09:01 PM

Celtic Season 2007-2008:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PaZaWo5Wgw

Morrissey the 23rd

June 25, 2008, 12:43 PM

Rangers fury at fixtures list - Mr. Angry of the RST speaks out
Rangers supporters groups last night expressed their anger following the announcement of the SPL fixture list for season 2008/9. This source of this frustration is believed to stem from the fact that their team has been scheduled to play three of its first four SPL games away from home, although mental illness could not be ruled out as a factor either. “I don’t understand why we need to play any away games at all” said Mr. Angry, Secretary of the Rangers Supporters Trust (RST). “Surely the SPL could find a solution whereby Rangers get to play all their league games at home. We realise this may disadvantage some other SPL teams, but other teams are not as important as Rangers. The SPL have shown no willingness to help Rangers here at all and have become the laughing stock of the unhinged Masonic community”.

Mr. Angry went on to reveal that Rangers supporters have more grievances with the Scottish game – “We believe it is entirely irresponsible for the SPL to schedule fixtures at times of the year when Rangers could be faced with having to play games when it is raining. It is well known, at least among deranged Masonic communities, that plans are afoot within the conspiracy of the unseen fenian hand, to fly Catholic priests over Ibrox in rainy weather to perform their papal voodoo ritual on the rain drops thereby inhibiting the performance of Rangers players”.

Mr. Angry also revealed that recent proposals put to the SPL by the RST have been ignored – “Given the disgraceful treatment of our club last season in denying us an extension to the SPL… well, aye... OK… only giving us a wee skittery four day extension…, we feel it is only fair that the situation be redressed by granting Rangers a season regression to 1997/98, giving us the chance to win 10-in-a-row again.”
“We were unfairly disadvantaged that season by a manager who consistently bought pish players and persisted in playing ageing has-beens week-in-week-out. The same manager who is now an infallible deity in fact. I know the SPL didn’t exist then, but I don’t understand why they couldn’t just regress the season regardless, and of course Celtic should be forced to field the same players that fluked their way to that title, regardless of trivial concerns such as death, as they are all still younger than Davie Weir anyway”

Mr. Angry’s proposals didn’t stop there “…and while we’re at it we should be getting the 1989 Scottish Cup final replayed, that was never a shy to Celtic, and Gary Stevens… what a diddy! Also the European Cup final of 1967 should be declared null and void on the basis of video evidence that shows Celtic’s second goal was offside… I know technically it wasn’t, but I and many other Rangers supporters really, really wanted it to be… just like our friends in the media really, really wanted Rangers’ quadruple this season to be unprecedented, so they just decided it was and reported it as such… quadruple (sigh… sniff!). Have you got a hankie?”

Mr. Angry was also unhappy about alleged favouritism shown to visiting teams at Ibrox – “the SPL should introduce rules to stamp out the disgraceful and totally unacceptable conduct Rangers have had to endure from visiting teams at Ibrox. We propose the following be legislated against by the SPL: scoring goals [the Rangers team has made great strides in this area particularly in home UEFA Cup matches], the raising of one or both arms after scoring, smiling after scoring, waving to their own supporters, performing offensive voodoo hand rituals, allowing Rangers supporters to form the misguided perception that one or more of the opposing team follow a dietary regime based on the consumption of canine species thereby making an arse of us, being the wrong kind of Irish, being ginger, wearing green, players who don’t withdraw from Scotland internationals pretending to be injured, running, scoring from set-pieces, scoring from headers, scoring from right foot shots whilst sweating and officials that have names that sound a wee bit Irishey. Basically, the only behaviour that Rangers supporters deem acceptable of visitors to the home of Scotland’s second biggest institution, is the adoption of a prostrate position, on all fours, with periodic boot licking of Barry and his loyal brethren, before crawling out backwards whence they came, bowing in abject defeat and deference”.

However, there was some good news for Rangers supporters today as Sir David the Great announced plans in the Sunday Mail for a £5600 billion stadium in orbit just outside the earth’s atmosphere in a historic tie-in with Richard Branson’s Virgin Group and Golden Nugget Casinos. But when asked about this, Mr. Angry was still in moaning faced, self-pitying paranoid delusional hun mode – “This is all very well and I applaud our chairman’s philanthropic vision driven purely by the greater good of Scottish football and all it’s patrons. However, whilst looking forward to a regular diet of football in outer space, which will tie-in with the RST’s views on Scottish football which are on another planet, we are still unhappy that the SPL will force us to play in far flung places like Aberdeen, Inverness and Paisley without a two month rest period and bionic enhancements for our players”.

“And another thing… BEEEEEP… .......

hello? … hello?.... oh I pure crack myself up so ah dae!”

By Tony Bananas

Grim O'Grady

June 25, 2008, 05:40 PM

Cdvr5IBYjsU

This video is a must see. It documents from when JJ made his bet with Hugh, which was around the same time all the Rangers fans all came out of hiding, up to when they crawlled backed into hiding again.

A sweet victory for Celtic right enough. Well done to three championship wins in a row (So far).

Love Grim

Morrissey the 23rd

June 26, 2008, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by Jukebox Jury
Well done to Glasgow Selltick in 'finally' manging to win a game and avenging last weeks defeat against Motherwell. 3 points nearer to Glasgow Rangers (though a further game in hand) so no doubt my tenner will have to wait a little longer......

Meanwhile, over at Firhill, the 'Quadrouple' became another step closer....

Jukebox Jury

Meanwhile, over at Firhill, the 'Quadrouple' became another step closer....:)

29 September 2007: Motherwell 1-1 Rangers
Porter 24 Boyd (pen) 67

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=2UJTOJm9IUE

Morrissey the 23rd

June 26, 2008, 09:57 PM

You seen it here first. The new Celtic top:

Morrissey the 23rd

June 27, 2008, 06:48 PM

Another first:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AGeZJnMZMzY

girlunafraid

June 27, 2008, 06:55 PM

Another first:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AGeZJnMZMzY

why did you open that wine & leave it 3/4's full, now what am I to do, it's empty but I'm not! :confused:

love

Grim
P.s. how you fixed to babysit tomozzer night & I'll do the driving on Sunday?

Morrissey the 23rd

June 27, 2008, 07:34 PM

why did you open that wine & leave it 3/4's full, now what am I to do, it's empty but I'm not! :confused:

love

Grim
P.s. how you fixed to babysit tomozzer night & I'll do the driving on Sunday?

I believed it would encourage you to not go to bed early but I should have known better: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1orhj6oRcQM

Also, I felt the guilt in every drop. Now wishing I downed it. You didn't pour it down the sink did you? It was too lovely to chuck.

Umm. My next door neighbour is having a party tomorrow and I've agreed to attend. I could baby-sit if you brought him here? I promise I wont let him get too pished.

If you want to drink on Sunday. You could leave your car at mine and we could Citylink it?

girlunafraid

June 27, 2008, 07:51 PM

I believed it would encourage you to not go to bed early but I should have known better: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1orhj6oRcQM

Also, I felt the guilt in every drop. Now wishing I downed it. You didn't pour it down the sink did you? It was too lovely to chuck.

Umm. My next door neighbour is having a party tomorrow and I've agreed to attend. I could baby-sit if you brought him here? I promise I wont let him get too pished.

If you want to drink on Sunday. You could leave your car at mine and we could Citylink it?

s'arite we've palmed him off with a neighbour for the night, we are gerrin pished good style so that's half the resaon I'm gonna drive on Sunday, mad I ken but I've to be at work fi 8 on Monday so it's best I get hame an put my head away instead of the debauchery I'd end up in, if I stay out with you!

love

Grim

Morrissey the 23rd

June 28, 2008, 11:57 AM

What is wrong with extreme indulgence in sensual pleasures?

I thought licentiousness, unrestrained revelry was your norm?

GU is aware it is you who leads me astray.

Morrissey the 23rd

July 1, 2008, 01:18 PM

Please help the followers of some friends from the south-side to find this lad:

He has been missing since an incident in Manchester in early May. Last heard talking pure pish about a big announcement by the end of May. Friends fear for his sanity. A reward of 1m green jelly beans will be given for information leading to his safe return.

girlunafraid

July 6, 2008, 02:20 PM

wtf? ffs!

sWwwFH0cUms

love

Grim

vicarinatutugal

July 6, 2008, 06:46 PM

oooo hello you two *waves at grim and M23rd*
and grim its up the right way wooooo :p

sweet and tender hooligan

July 6, 2008, 08:33 PM

oooo hello you two *waves at grim and M23rd*
and grim its up the right way wooooo :p

Are you drunk again? :)Your as bad as me:p.

Morrissey the 23rd

July 7, 2008, 01:43 AM

The cowardly hand of hidden forces are at play!

Morrissey the 23rd

July 9, 2008, 12:06 AM

The Catholic Church and the Orange Lodge are having a sports quiz. It’s a big event and the local hall is packed out, everyone’s come from miles around to see it. First question, and the quizmaster asks: "Which team became the first British club to win the European Cup when they beat Inter Milan…" BEEP! Straightaway the Catholic Church is in with their answer. "Celtic." "Correct, two points. Next question: Which team was the first to win nine consecutive League Championships titles in Scotland between nineteen sixty six…" BEEP! The Catholic Church is in again. "Celtic." "Correct, that’s two more points." The Orange Lodge urny happy at this point, and their team leader interrupts, "Excuse me! I think these questions are a wee bit biased in favour ay one side." "No, no", the quizmaster tells him, "it’ll even itself out, don’t worry, next question: Who scored the goal for Rangers in the League Cup Final…" BEEP! This time the Orange Lodge are in right away. "What League Cup Final?" The quizmaster tells them, "The one yous got beat seven one!"

Ah! The old ones are the best.

Morrissey the 23rd

July 9, 2008, 06:35 PM

To think that it was only a couple of months ago that Rangers fans were everywhere. What happened to them all?

The cowardly hand of hidden forces are at play!

Morrissey the 23rd

July 11, 2008, 02:46 PM

'Hello! Hello!'

Grim O'Grady

July 12, 2008, 07:09 AM

oooo hello you two *waves at grim and M23rd*
and grim its up the right way wooooo :p

oh hi Vicarinatutugal, I very rarely put my toes in this smirk infested thread :D

Yes I've finally mastered the art of drinking & recording the right way up! :)

love

Grim

Grim O'Grady

July 12, 2008, 07:13 AM

'Hello! Hello!'

so what odds are you giving on this years bets for 'who becomes SPL Champions' this season? :D

love

Grim

Musley

July 12, 2008, 07:39 AM

To think that it was only a couple of months ago that Rangers fans were everywhere. What happened to them all?

The cowardly hand of hidden forces are at play!

Too busy licking their wounds:)

Morrissey the 23rd

July 12, 2008, 02:21 PM

so what odds are you giving on this years bets for 'who becomes SPL Champions' this season? :D

love

Grim

It would have to be lower than the 200+ to 1 the bookies are giving for Man city to win the EPL.:p

Morrissey the 23rd

July 15, 2008, 12:28 AM

Sir David Murray always gets his man - Except when he disnae.

He failed to agree personal terms with Danny Shittu follow following hours of intense negotiations. £20,000/wk was too much for Bigots FC. With the volume of injuries at Castle Greyskull, made worse after their impressive penalty assisted win over the part-time Germans last night. A game where ex-Celt Kenny Miller got his second appearance for Cheating FC and was booed by the loyal Rearrangers fans. Who else thinks he is only there when there was a mistake by Watty when ordering a beer? The inmates of Facist-Facist are not happy with Minty Moonbeams for once again failing in the transfer market.

Fears over Rearrangers’ level of signings:
http://www.theherald.co.uk/sport/letterstothesportseditor/display.var.2395409.0.Fears_over_Rangers_level_of_ signings.php

Photo taken at Aberdeen during the last game of last seaon:):

Morrissey the 23rd

July 17, 2008, 01:13 PM

McGeady follows Boruc and McDonald with long term contract:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/c/celtic/7511614.stm

Giorgios Samaras spent a fruitful four months at Celtic Park before convincing Gordon Strachan to sign him on a three year deal.

The player looked the part from the moment he made a sensational debut at Kilmarnock, although he also looked a 22-year-old work-in-progress away to St Mirren. His attitude has been first-class and his goals-to-games ratio since arriving in Glasgow has been outstanding. I am also convinced he will improve considerably in his second season.

I am also happy we squeezed a bit of extra value out of the deal with Manchester City.

Welcome back Giorgios, get those orange boots scoring again soon.

Morrissey the 23rd

July 26, 2008, 11:54 PM

Celtic continued their dreadful pre-season form following a thoroughly shameful 1-0 victory away to European minnows Porto.

With the managers head on the chopping block after his summer-long refusal to engage in conversation with the laptop loyal and his refusal to treat every pre-season match as a Champions League final, defeat tonight would surely have been the final straw for the Celtic board.

Strachan, however showed once more just why he is the luckiest manager ever to have managed at any level, when after watching his side being pummelled for eighty-eight minutes. A poor pass back from Porto’s centre back allowed Hesselink to nip in and toe poke a deflected effort off the inside of the post for the winning goal.

If ever a football result could be called an injustice then tonight’s score firmly fits into that category.

So Strachan lives to fight another day but with tough tests on the horizon against Feyenoord and Spurs in Rotterdam next week there’s every possibility that his stay of execution will be a very temporary one.

In other news a magnificent fightback saw UEFA Cup winners and SPL favourites Rangers stun high-flying Raith Rovers in the footballing hotspot of Kirkcaldy today. A victory and a performance that is sure to put the fear of God into all their SPL opponents.

http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/81240,celtic-see-off-porto.aspx

How many in a row is it WGS?

Grim O'Grady

August 6, 2008, 06:44 AM

How to win a signed shirt

or even a football

nip down your local Spar & buy a bottle of whatever the bhoys drink, eh?
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/Grimo35/celtic.jpg
:eek:

love

Grim
P.s. no wonder they can't beat any other non Scottish (sober) teams eh?

Jukebox Jury

September 1, 2008, 09:01 AM

I thought it may be the right time to bring this thread back, what do you say Hugh?
Hugh? Hugh? Are you there?:D:D:D

Jukebox Jury

I am a Ghost

September 1, 2008, 02:09 PM

Former Celtic star attacked in Glasgow
Monday, 1 September 2008 13:56
Former Celtic captain Neil Lennon was treated in hospital early today after being assaulted and knocked unconscious in Glasgow.

Lennon, now a coach at the club, received treatment for minor injuries following an incident in Glasgow's west end hours after yesterday's Old Firm clash.

Police were called to Ashton Lane, well known for trendy pubs and restaurants, at around 12.25am.

The former Northern Ireland midfielder was taken to hospital and later released after treatment.

He has not filed a complaint with Strathclyde Police, who said inquiries into the incident were continuing.

A police spokeswoman said: 'Police were called at 12.25am to a report of a 37-year-old man assaulted in Ashton Lane. The injured man was taken to hospital then released after treatment for minor injuries.

'He did not wish to make a complaint; however, police inquiries are ongoing into the incident.'

The incident came hours after Lennon was in the Celtic dugout during his club's 4-2 home defeat to Rangers.

Lennon left Celtic in 2007 and joined Nottingham Forest. He later played for Wycombe before returning to Celtic as a first-team coach.

Celtic later said Lennon was understood to have been knocked unconscious in the attack and had been subjected to sectarian abuse.

A spokesman said: 'We can confirm that while walking home alone last night, Neil Lennon was the victim of a serious assault by two men. The assault came after Neil was subjected to sectarian abuse.

'It is understood that during the course of the attack Neil lost consciousness. He was then taken by ambulance to hospital where his injuries were treated and he was later released.

'Strathclyde Police are carrying out an investigation into the assault, and clearly Neil will be fully co-operating with this.'

In September 2003, two students were fined after an attack on Lennon in Glasgow.

The former Northern Ireland international was driving in the west end, close to his home, when the men chased his car and shouted abuse at him.

Lennon stopped the vehicle on the city's Great Western Road and an exchange took place, during which the player was attacked. In another incident, vandals daubed graffiti outside his home in Glasgow in May 2004.

In 2003, Lennon vowed he would never play for his country again because of a reported death threat.

Loyalist paramilitaries insisted the warning was bogus, but Lennon, a Catholic, said he was not prepared to suffer any more sectarian victimisation.

He had previously been booed by sections of the Northern Ireland support.