www.ronpaul2008.com

Say goodbye to BIG Government
Bye Bye IRS
Bye Bye Iraq War

Hello Lower taxes
Hello freedom
Hello limited government

Get involved and don't let another election like 2000 happen. Vote for someone who actually believes government should stop mingling. Some will argue anyone wanting to be president has evil intentions... but Ron may just be our only hope for change. He's not the average power hungry candidate we always see. He tells the truth. Find out for yourselves!!!

www.ronpaul2008.com

Say goodbye to BIG Government
Bye Bye IRS
Bye Bye Iraq War

Hello Lower taxes
Hello freedom
Hello limited government

Get involved and don't let another election like 2000 happen. Vote for someone who actually believes government should stop mingling. Some will argue anyone wanting to be president has evil intentions... but Ron may just be our only hope for change. He's not the average power hungry candidate we always see. He tells the truth. Find out for yourselves!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! I clicked on this thread thinking it said 'RuPaul for President'! :D
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Naturally, I was quite disappointed to find that it was actually about this guy :(
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I would sooner vote for Rupaul than Ron Paul

As a Ron Paul 08 staffer I'm glad to see the movement has made it onto these message boards as well. Its about time someone took the Republican party back from the radicals

I would sooner vote for Rupaul than Ron Paul

Why? I mean, look at all he offers:
"Say goodbye to BIG Government
Bye Bye IRS
Bye Bye Iraq War

Hello Lower taxes
Hello freedom
Hello limited government"
:rolleyes:
I've got a better chance of having unprotected sex with Paris Hilton and walking away disease-free than him being at all capable of following through with all of these promises. :p HAHAHA!

And even if he was somehow ever able to accomplish all of those promises the American public needs to realize that this is 2007 and not 1607 when Jamestown was founded and there was no need for an IRS and limited Government was inconsequential.

I do have some admiration for Ron Paul, if only he typified the right this might be a better country, however I absolutely would never vote for him. his dedication to the constitution is admireable, as is his vocal opposition to the atrocious Iraq war. however...

We NEED the IRS, not for you and me but for the big corporations, we also need to beef up the FCC which was gutted by the fascist reagan administration. We also need to reinstate the anti-trust laws. NOT TO MENTION reverse some of our free trade policies.This would break up monopolies, build jobs, raise the standard of living, and protect democracy.. I'm an anarchist, though not a revolutionary, I just see it as the ultimate aim of society, but there are some problems only the government can solve. Ron Paul also opposes social welfare programs just as much or more than bush. AND he's also pro-life. Theres' another side of ron paul nobody's talking about.

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I do have some admiration for Ron Paul, if only he typified the right this might be a better country, however I absolutely would never vote for him. his dedication to the constitution is admireable, as is his vocal opposition to the atrocious Iraq war. however...

We NEED the IRS, not for you and me but for the big corporations, we also need to beef up the FCC which was gutted by the fascist reagan administration. We also need to reinstate the anti-trust laws. NOT TO MENTION reverse some of our free trade policies.This would break up monopolies, build jobs, raise the standard of living, and protect democracy.. I'm an anarchist, though not a revolutionary, I just see it as the ultimate aim of society, but there are some problems only the government can solve. Ron Paul also opposes social welfare programs just as much or more than bush. AND he's also pro-life. Theres' another side of ron paul nobody's talking about.

Why do we need the IRS for the big corporations? They know how to avoid paying taxes anyway. Also, taking their money to give to the government to provide services just makes the government the middleman.
I'm not sure I believe in the FCC either in principle. Why do the American people need a government body to control the airwaves?

Why do we need the IRS for the big corporations? They know how to avoid paying taxes anyway. Also, taking their money to give to the government to provide services just makes the government the middleman.
I'm not sure I believe in the FCC either in principle. Why do the American people need a government body to control the airwaves?

You can't call yourself an anarchist and be for these types of government controls and taxes.

I fully support an FCC so long as there is a stated rule book. I will defer to the great H. Stern when talking in reference to an FCC when he explained that he understood why there was a need for the agency so that they were not showing porn on the general airwaves the same time as sesame street. However... if there are rules they need to explicitly state what they are. It should not be a "as you feel" situation and it should be an agency that is checked up on.

IRS is necessary. We berate it because money is being taken out of our pockets. However I defer to the chaos that was the Articles of Confederation in which people paid taxes "if they felt like it" and nothing was accomplished.

its a long story, but i AM registered republican...:rolleyes: and my lazy ass has not changed to democrat yet. since i am technically republican, when i vote in the primary's, the ONLY repub i would consider voting for would be Mr. Paul. I'm totally for Obama however...

its a long story, but i AM registered republican...:rolleyes: and my lazy ass has not changed to democrat yet. since i am technically republican, when i vote in the primary's, the ONLY repub i would consider voting for would be Mr. Paul. I'm totally for Obama however...

I am a registered republican and not ashamed to admit it. The only times I have not voted republican were the last two presidential elections. Bush lost me the first time when he criticized McCain's service record. I immediately said WTF? and looked further into him deciding I did not like him. The second time it was even easier not to vote for him.

in retrospect if Bill was running today I would vote for him but I liked the Republican candidate Dole more than Bill at the time.

I am a registered republican and not ashamed to admit it. The only times I have not voted republican were the last two presidential elections. Bush lost me the first time when he criticized McCain's service record. I immediately said WTF? and looked further into him deciding I did not like him. The second time it was even easier not to vote for him.

in retrospect if Bill was running today I would vote for him but I liked the Republican candidate Dole more than Bill at the time.

who are you gonna vote for this election? primary's AND general? hmmm???

p.s. the only reason im registered repub is cuz i went to a baptist HS and i didnt give a shit about politics when I was 18 and my teacher senior year of HS was like "heres your voter registration card. check REPUBLICAN." and i was like "derrrrr, okay."

who are you gonna vote for this election? primary's AND general? hmmm???

p.s. the only reason im registered repub is cuz i went to a baptist HS and i didnt give a shit about politics when I was 18 and my teacher senior year of HS was like "heres your voter registration card. check REPUBLICAN." and i was like "derrrrr, okay."

Republican primary I am liking McCain. I strongly feel as if he is the only one that can undo the damage that has been done. If he loses I am hoping the party backs Rudy. Anyone after that fails in comparison or is too conservative for my tastes.


The question is what happens if Rudy and or McCain are completely out of it.

Republican primary I am liking McCain. I strongly feel as if he is the only one that can undo the damage that has been done. If he loses I am hoping the party backs Rudy. Anyone after that fails in comparison or is too conservative for my tastes.


The question is what happens if Rudy and or McCain are completely out of it.

both of them are too close to Bush for my tastes. it might sound superficial, but honestly, I dont know if I could stand to listen to Rudy's lisp for 4 years. and McCain just comes across as a giant pussy. plus, isnt' he doing awful now in the polls??

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I remember that event... he did that for charity. It was all in good fun at the time.

You should check out the picture in lonely hearts though. First person to respond correctly wins a prize. I do not know what hte said prize will be but they will win it.

its a long story, but i AM registered republican...:rolleyes: and my lazy ass has not changed to democrat yet. since i am technically republican, when i vote in the primary's, the ONLY repub i would consider voting for would be Mr. Paul. I'm totally for Obama however...

obama is fine, but republican??!!! nooooooo! nugz.....and i thought you were KEWL!! :mad: :eek: :p

LOLZ =o)

Why do we need the IRS for the big corporations? They know how to avoid paying taxes anyway. Also, taking their money to give to the government to provide services just makes the government the middleman.
I'm not sure I believe in the FCC either in principle. Why do the American people need a government body to control the airwaves? You can't call yourself an Anarchist and be for these types of government controls and taxes.

Whoops, sorry... I had a brain fart or something.. I meant the SEC. Ok, my personal belief is that an anarchist society would be the ideal, but I don't think society is remotely ready to make that leap at this point. As to this conflicting with anarchism, it depends on what kind of anarchist. there are capitalist anarchists, communist anarchists, primitivist anarchists, individualist anarchists, anarchosyndicalists, etc. All varities oppose monolithic organizations, but for different reasons. I don't think people neccessarily need monolithic agencies of control as individuals, but while we have these enormous mutinational corporations there needs to be a large active body to regulate them. As long as these corporations act unilaterally with no democratic input, there needs to be SOMETHING to protect the American people from them. Like i was saying, jobs are being exported by the thousands, the cost of living is rising, social safety nets, which have proven economic returns (IE-head start), are disappearing, and wages are stagnating. While the federal government is handing out billions of our hard earned tax dollars in subsidies and tax breaks that benefit the wealthy. (Slashing inheritence tax, etc.) The government largely created this quagmire by adopting a radical free trade policy that has resulted in the rising debt, poverty, unemployment, and homelessness, that we are now experiencing. Ron Paul's policies would only make these things worse.

I'm afraid a Ron Paul candidacy (while less than ideal) is about the only thing that could rouse me from self-imposed apolitea. Otherwise the Stupid (Republican) and Evil (Democrat) parties will have to do without my vote for the foreseeable future.

Come Armageddon!

Guliani Hate

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I fully support an FCC so long as there is a stated rule book. I will defer to the great H. Stern when talking in reference to an FCC when he explained that he understood why there was a need for the agency so that they were not showing porn on the general airwaves the same time as sesame street. However... if there are rules they need to explicitly state what they are. It should not be a "as you feel" situation and it should be an agency that is checked up on.

IRS is necessary. We berate it because money is being taken out of our pockets. However I defer to the chaos that was the Articles of Confederation in which people paid taxes "if they felt like it" and nothing was accomplished.

Porn would not be shown on the airwaves, not because it is illegal, but because nobody would sponsor it, and because of all the people that would write to the sponsors if they did. It's already on the airwaves if you pay for it.

You're right about equal enforcement. If they are going to have it then it should be clear what the rules are. Still, I think it would be hard to imagine every possibility.

I think that few would pay taxes if they felt like it, but we should feel like it, because we should feel that our voices are heard and that we are getting our money's worth. There is not an easy solution but in principle I think it's wrong for someone to force you to pay them to provide you with a service. I'm sure you see waste and mismanagement of tax dollars as I have, and sometimes it seems like the people in charge of spending, even at a local level, have no awareness that they are spending other people's money. They feel entitled to it.

Actually most of us probably get more than we give, because some of the services we use would be nearly impossible to get any other way, starting with public schooling, but also transportation, and all of the things that we take for granted. The postal service, for example. It's pretty cool that, as outdated as it seems you can write someone a letter and send it across the country for 42 cents.

But my main reason for the post you answered was just to say that we should rethink a lot of things and not take it for granted that we need an FCC or an IRS. I know that Reagan relaxed the rules and it allowed companies to buy monopolies on the airwaves. It did change our culture in a negative way I guess. Instead of DJ's playing records, some programmer creates a master playlist and it plays at hundreds of stations. Local flavor is lost. It affects the whole entertainment industry. But I guess the real problem most people see is that it made for less voices being heard.

That's why I prefer the Internet to television or radio. They are trying to regulate Internet more but there is still opportunity for different things to be heard and everyone gets a chance to state their opinion. And buy cheap V1agra, too.

Wait, what?

OMG, Guiliani DOES look like a vampire!!! :eek::D

I'm afraid a Ron Paul candidacy (while less than ideal) is about the only thing that could rouse me from self-imposed apolitea. Otherwise the Stupid (Republican) and Evil (Democrat) parties will have to do without my vote for the foreseeable future.

Come Armageddon!

Let's see... Which party want to eradicate all safety nets for the poor and middle class while giving MASSIVE handouts to billionaires, left the katrina survivors twisting in the wind, provided military support for the dicttorships in indonesia, nicaragua, panama, chile, el salvador.. You get the idea, wants to take away a woman's right to choose, supports economic policies that are devastating to the us and the third world, will barely admit global warming exists, and created this goddamn war in iraq???? A hint,....NOT the democrats. And even though we may disagree politically, not voting is the WORST thing you can do. And if you don't vote you abdicate you're right to complain. it's not just a right it's a responsibility.

Let's see... Which party want to eradicate all safety nets for the poor and middle class while giving MASSIVE handouts to billionaires, left the katrina survivors twisting in the wind, provided military support for the dicttorships in indonesia, nicaragua, panama, chile, el salvador.. You get the idea, wants to take away a woman's right to choose, supports economic policies that are devastating to the us and the third world, will barely admit global warming exists, and created this goddamn war in iraq???? A hint,....NOT the democrats. And even though we may disagree politically, not voting is the WORST thing you can do. And if you don't vote you abdicate you're right to complain. it's not just a right it's a responsibility.

and right there is my main motivation for voting. cuz i LOVE to complain. ;)

Porn would not be shown on the airwaves, not because it is illegal, but because nobody would sponsor it, and because of all the people that would write to the sponsors if they did. It's already on the airwaves if you pay for it.

You're right about equal enforcement. If they are going to have it then it should be clear what the rules are. Still, I think it would be hard to imagine every possibility.

I think that few would pay taxes if they felt like it, but we should feel like it, because we should feel that our voices are heard and that we are getting our money's worth. There is not an easy solution but in principle I think it's wrong for someone to force you to pay them to provide you with a service. I'm sure you see waste and mismanagement of tax dollars as I have, and sometimes it seems like the people in charge of spending, even at a local level, have no awareness that they are spending other people's money. They feel entitled to it.

Actually most of us probably get more than we give, because some of the services we use would be nearly impossible to get any other way, starting with public schooling, but also transportation, and all of the things that we take for granted. The postal service, for example. It's pretty cool that, as outdated as it seems you can write someone a letter and send it across the country for 42 cents.

But my main reason for the post you answered was just to say that we should rethink a lot of things and not take it for granted that we need an FCC or an IRS. I know that Reagan relaxed the rules and it allowed companies to buy monopolies on the airwaves. It did change our culture in a negative way I guess. Instead of DJ's playing records, some programmer creates a master playlist and it plays at hundreds of stations. Local flavor is lost. It affects the whole entertainment industry. But I guess the real problem most people see is that it made for less voices being heard.

That's why I prefer the Internet to television or radio. They are trying to regulate Internet more but there is still opportunity for different things to be heard and everyone gets a chance to state their opinion. And buy cheap V1agra, too.

Wait, what?

I was exaggerating with the porn to give an extreme example of an anything goes atmosphere and to be truthful if you were to put porn on during daytime tv it would find an audience as well as advertisers. What advertisers? Why every single 1-900 number and penile enhancement company.

Back in 2002 there was porn on public access TV starting at 11PM. It was the joke of Long Island.... real hardcore porn. I literally remember flipping the channels saying WTF then calling a couple of people to see if it was a cable glitch. Later on (two months later) they removed it but the guy who was putting it up had advertisers. In an anything goes environment I am sure you would see it tried.

People do not realize the benefit of their tax system. I basically refuse to use any other service but the US Postal Service for handling my packages. As an eBay buyer and seller I deal worldwide (as I know you do as well). It is outrageous the postal fees that other countries have.

I still contend that it is popular to bash America. That if you support what goes on here you are of meatheaded tendencies. Which is quite a shame because I cannot possibly even imagine being of right mind and desiring to move to Syria.

There was a member on another post who lives in a certain "north american country that is not the United States or Mexico" that bashed the North American mentality and later stated that she is not a part of it because she simply moved there. To that I say the following. No one forces you to live within your boarders. If you hate what goes on inside your own country so much AND you envy another country and it's laws and practices... well GTFO and GTFO now. Go live where you will be happy.

Sure change is part of the American way. The Constitution is not simply called a living document in name only. However if the very Constitution sickens you (not you Dave - others) then get out and find another country. If you want to see the downfall of all federal government then leave because this is not the club for you.

I love those people by the way. If the Fed Gov were to ever simply say... "we dissolve.. everyone is on their own" there would be problems that no one cares to realize. I would list them but I am already droning on.

I wish I could sleep.

Let's see... Which party want to eradicate all safety nets for the poor and middle class while giving MASSIVE handouts to billionaires, left the katrina survivors twisting in the wind, provided military support for the dicttorships in indonesia, nicaragua, panama, chile, el salvador.. You get the idea, wants to take away a woman's right to choose, supports economic policies that are devastating to the us and the third world, will barely admit global warming exists, and created this goddamn war in iraq???? A hint,....NOT the democrats. And even though we may disagree politically, not voting is the WORST thing you can do. And if you don't vote you abdicate you're right to complain. it's not just a right it's a responsibility.

I have to say something... Bush may be a lot of things but he is not responsible for the aftermath of Katrina. He received a lot of flack for it. I was there. Can anyone else on this forum say that? I was trapped in that mess and fled for my life with the hurricane at me heels in an SUV of strangers. At one point I even called the parents and told them I loved them in case anything happened. You know what some of my last images were of New Orleans?

The National Guard trucks waiting on the streets unable to do anything until the mayor of LA and Gov of LA officially asked for assistance. States rights v Fed Gov rights demand an order of command in such an event. The Gov and the Mayor of LA dropped the ball on that one.

As far as issue of abortion. I really do not want to get into it because I could really raise hell from a different angle. My opinion on abortion would raise quite a few eyebrows because it would not be anywhere close to what anyone here would expect it to be and why.

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I really really really really felt for Mike Myers when that happened. Have you ever seen someone that looks that uncomfortable?

Does George Bush "hate" black people? No, I do not think he "hates" black people. Bush uses cowboy politics to get what he wants in what he perceives to be "the good of the country". Therein lies the problem.

Kanye West however is another person, like Morrissey, where I can say that I like the music, disagree with the words that come out of his mouth. Dave I would love for you to listen to the Morrissey 5-28-07 boot show floating about. Track 6, at the end of In the Future When All is Well, Morrissey runs his mouth and also says something that left me listening and saying "What an ass-clown" or perhaps I am reading too much into it.

Listened to what was a very good show musically and left the "listening" with those thoughts.


::EDIT:: Further thinking made me recall a great president who is celebrated for his use of cowboy tactics and abuses of constitutional rights... and rightfully so. His plans worked out in the end for the better. Who do I speak of? Frankilin D Roosevelt, a Democrat was responsible for many extreme interpretations of the Constitution in an effort to get the United States through the Depression and WWII. While I am a bigger admirer of his older cousin Theordore, FDR ranks within my top five Presidents of all time whenever or however an argument is made for ranking.

FDR's biggest blunder ? The packing of the courts. When the Supreme Court did not agree to his plans and questions the constitutionality of his doctrine, FDR came up with the plan to increase the number of sitting judges to fifteen (i believe). Each of the six judges would be railroaded in with his belief system and override any dissenting votes within the court.

FDR - was seen by some as dangerous at his time but in retrospect has been celebrated. Perhaps GWB sees himself as following in those footsteps. I do not... but perhaps he does.

Mike Meyers almost pissed himself. His reaction is hilarious to me. Regardless of whatever whatever, watching Kanye say that first bit, and then Mike Meyers going back to the script, only to have Kanye follow it with THE line, politics aside, just as a moment, it's classic.

Kanye doesn't say "hate".

Kanye does say a lot of things that one could find fault with. Not there, but other places. In that instance he was clearly upset by the situation, understandably, and what was being shown on television, and what was occurring was incredible. It seemed strange for example how people from other countries were rescued from the Superdome, while people from our own country were not.

I don't fault him for what he said. I'm not sure exactly what they were expecting when they put him on there. They should have got some other safe Hollywood celebrity to read the script with Mike Meyers.

edit:also, I'm not trying to seem totally stupid. I can understand that people from other countries had their government's backing and that they had a paid way out, etc. But the effect was that a group of white British student types were taken out by a police or military team and a lot of black people were left in these intolerable conditions. Regardless of why, that is what happened and it's bound to stir up resentment.

And Bush is in that famous photo at some concert, on the second day of the New Orleans crisis, being presented with that guitar by some idiot. It really made a pretty good case for what Kanye said, if you were basing your opinions on what you were seeing on television.

Mike Meyers almost pissed himself. His reaction is hilarious to me. Regardless of whatever whatever, watching Kanye say that first bit, and then Mike Meyers going back to the script, only to have Kanye follow it with THE line, politics aside, just as a moment, it's classic.

Kanye doesn't say "hate".

Kanye does say a lot of things that one could find fault with. Not there, but other places. In that instance he was clearly upset by the situation, understandably, and what was being shown on television, and what was occurring was incredible. It seemed strange for example how people from other countries were rescued from the Superdome, while people from our own country were not.

I don't fault him for what he said. I'm not sure exactly what they were expecting when they put him on there. They should have got some other safe Hollywood celebrity to read the script with Mike Meyers.

edit:also, I'm not trying to seem totally stupid. I can understand that people from other countries had their government's backing and that they had a paid way out, etc. But the effect was that a group of white British student types were taken out by a police or military team and a lot of black people were left in these intolerable conditions. Regardless of why, that is what happened and it's bound to stir up resentment.

And Bush is in that famous photo at some concert, on the second day of the New Orleans crisis, being presented with that guitar by some idiot. It really made a pretty good case for what Kanye said, if you were basing your opinions on what you were seeing on television.

My bad.... "doesn't care." Read my edit above as you were editing yours... and really listen to the track I mentioned from the May show.

I am not sure that I have that 05-28-2007. I will look for it. I am curious now.

I am not sure that I have that 05-28-2007. I will look for it. I am curious now.

The full show is in the download section.

The track in question is here. I sent it up to sendspace.
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Remember there is a difference between Memorial Day and Veterans Day.

have listened to that now. I will have to sleep on that one.

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I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because some people out there in our nation don't have maps and I believe that our education like such as in South Africa and the Iraq and everywhere like such as and I believe that they should our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S. or should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries so we will be able to build up our future for us

For the comment earlier that said Ron is pro-life I would like to add that he is pro-individual and pro-state. He doesn't want the government ruling on such things as abortion. He wants the control to be in the states. I don't know about you but I'm sick of a bunch of bureaucrats running this nation. He is the only candidate that doesn't want to police the world and can get us out of debt quickly. For some reason people dismiss Ron because they hear "Republican from Texas" but few look in depth. Clinton and Obama- I laugh at those two!!! Ron Paul is not the typical puppet trying to make the papers and news stations happy. He is the only candidate that I look at and see any amount of honestly coming from their lips. You ask how he can make those promises- I ask why you buy into all the other candidates vague promises. I'm sick of these terms like Republican, liberal, conservative, and Democrat. I use to be listed at Democrat but I live in a state that doesn't make me list that now, so I can vote for whoever I want. Some of you would have to switch sides in order to vote Republican and what a 5 minute hassle that would be.

I don't care that he's listed as Republican, I want to be a free individual. And I sure as hell don't want an rfid tag.

Revolution!!!!!

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GREAT MOVIE. ALL SHOULD WATCH. Do you know why you pay income tax? Is there a law for citizens to pay it? Do you really understand the Federal Reserve?

Everyone should watch this movie tonight.

Unless you want the government fixing all your problems. If you are lazy then don't educate yourself. If you want an rfid tag in you then by all means don't look into it. If you want a privately owned bank controlling our government then ignore this movie and go about your lives.

We need change and we need it now.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173

GREAT MOVIE. ALL SHOULD WATCH. Do you know why you pay income tax? Is there a law for citizens to pay it? Do you really understand the Federal Reserve?

Everyone should watch this movie tonight.

Unless you want the government fixing all your problems. If you are lazy then don't educate yourself. If you want an rfid tag in you then by all means don't look into it. If you want a privately owned bank controlling our government then ignore this movie and go about your lives.

We need change and we need it now.

Do some serious studies and get back to me... and not with what you have heard or read... read opposing views... Then get back to me. Your "Ron Paul" and anti-federalism Jeffersonian rant (in this case of being almost 2008) is so misguided I laugh.

Dave did you listen to the track in question?

yes, yes, I did. There are at least four ways to interpret Morrissey's remark. I know that sounds like the opening for a bunch of b.s. but, first of all we have to ask if knows the difference between Veteran's Day and Memorial Day. It's possible he doesn't.

What he actually said is pretty typically Morrissey, and wouldn't raise much of an eyebrow if he said it on Valentine's Day, for example. But the connotations are not nice, given the meaning behind the day he chose to make this statement.

I honestly think that it is bad if he interprets it as the same as Veterans Day... which he very well may. It is even worse though if he realizes what Memorial Day is about. Despite what he may think of a country that he is not a part of I do not believe that he has any right to say anything about those that have served. I would have started booing and probably worse had I heard that and I was there no matter what the sentiment was of those sheep that were present and supporting his drivel.

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I READ THIS WRONG I THOUGHT IT WAS RU PAUL FOR PRESIDENT

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Equally Spread :D

Change that... I hope they let you stick around. As long as they do some of the rest of cannot do any wrong.

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Barack Obama is a sexy sexy man. stop mocking!!!! :mad:

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ooOoh, you are gong to HELL!!! hahaha. :p

Obama08! ;)

ooOoh, you are gong to HELL!!! hahaha. :p

Obama08! ;)

These are SOOOO being sent in my email to people.

These are SOOOO being sent in my email to people.

whatevah. Mr. Guiliana lovah! I'm gonna give you a spankin!!!!

McCain...

What people also do not realize is that after Dinkins made my city worse it was Giuliani that finally made NYC one of the safest major cities in America. There was a time in our lifetime... like when I was in High School that simply going to Manhattan even during daylight hours was an invitation for trouble. Forget about the subways.

McCain...

What people also do not realize is that after Dinkins made my city worse it was Giuliani that finally made NYC one of the safest major cities in America. There was a time in our lifetime... like when I was in High School that simply going to Manhattan even during daylight hours was an invitation for trouble. Forget about the subways.

McCain's a pussy.

Yeah... call him what you will... serving all those years in the Hanoi Hilton after having his teeth kicked in by the North Vietnamese.... I may have killed myself rather than endure what he did.

Yeah... call him what you will... serving all those years in the Hanoi Hilton after having his teeth kicked in by the North Vietnamese.... I may have killed myself rather than endure what he did.

doesnt mean he will be a good prez! he's Bush part 2. no thank you!!!

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Now???

Theres' been plenty of disdain all around, admittedly deserved. The right, with the exception of Ron Paul, Romney, Giuliani, Thompson, Mccain, are all plainly casting themselves as the lead in "GOP Presidency 2: Even Worse than Last Time". And the democrats are, as per usual, talking in vaguely progressive diatribes but committing to as little as possible. This should hardly be a surprise. But as I've said, voting is not merely a priveledge, but an OBLIGATION to ourselves, and to our country. I completely understand disillusionment and discontent I feel it more with each passing day, what I cannot understand and will not condone is apathy. If you think you can't make a difference, or that nothing greats' going to happen, doing nothing is the surest way to fulfill that prophecy. Democracy is a work in progress, it demands things of us. I believe in standing on a principle and having standards, but that does not completely exclude compromise on anything. Discretion is key, and voting is ALMOST ALL OF THE TIME, a choice between the lesser of two evils. I didn't LOVE John Kerry, he was too center left, far to the right of most of his constituents, I was voting AGAINST bush. just like I will vote AGAINST the GOP nominee (who most certainly will not be Ron Paul.) because I'm not sure this country could SURVIVE another 4, or god fucking forbid, 8 years of this horeshit. Unless you like you're taxes being handed out to the obscenely wealthy and the corporations they operate, and being spent on senseless violence against defenseless nations. Go to the polls. PLEASE. Democracy demands it.

I'm never going to vote for "someone that has a chance" or "against" anyone again.

I'm never going to vote for "someone that has a chance" or "against" anyone again.

Why, because of him?

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I'm never going to vote for "someone that has a chance" or "against" anyone again.

What do you hope to achieve by doing, or rather, NOT doing, this?

Theres' been plenty of disdain all around, admittedly deserved. The right, with the exception of Ron Paul, Romney, Giuliani, Thompson, Mccain, are all plainly casting themselves as the lead in "GOP Presidency 2: Even Worse than Last Time". And the democrats are, as per usual, talking in vaguely progressive diatribes but committing to as little as possible. This should hardly be a surprise. But as I've said, voting is not merely a priveledge, but an OBLIGATION to ourselves, and to our country. I completely understand disillusionment and discontent I feel it more with each passing day, what I cannot understand and will not condone is apathy. If you think you can't make a difference, or that nothing greats' going to happen, doing nothing is the surest way to fulfill that prophecy. Democracy is a work in progress, it demands things of us. I believe in standing on a principle and having standards, but that does not completely exclude compromise on anything. Discretion is key, and voting is ALMOST ALL OF THE TIME, a choice between the lesser of two evils. I didn't LOVE John Kerry, he was too center left, far to the right of most of his constituents, I was voting AGAINST bush. just like I will vote AGAINST the GOP nominee (who most certainly will not be Ron Paul.) because I'm not sure this country could SURVIVE another 4, or god fucking forbid, 8 years of this horeshit. Unless you like you're taxes being handed out to the obscenely wealthy and the corporations they operate, and being spent on senseless violence against defenseless nations. Go to the polls. PLEASE. Democracy demands it.

What he said...

Though if someone held a gun to my head and told me to vote Republican, I'd vote for Giuliani. Although I disagree with many of his economic positions, he seems like a very strong and purposeful leader - something America desperately needs. I'm not really wowed by any of the Democratic candidates, although given the choice I'd vote for Edwards. Mike Huckabee's rise in popularity is quite disturbing. Seems to me like a Bush-clone, though the Religious Right is wild about him which obviously adds a lot of clout to his candidacy. His ties to the American Family Association are very worrying indeed...

Coiff.

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Though if someone held a gun to my head and told me to vote Republican, I'd vote for Giuliani. Although I disagree with many of his economic positions, he seems like a very strong and purposeful leader - something America desperately needs. I'm not really wowed by any of the Democratic candidates, although given the choice I'd vote for Edwards. Mike Huckabee's rise in popularity is quite disturbing. Seems to me like a Bush-clone, though the Religious Right is wild about him which obviously adds a lot of clout to his candidacy. His ties to the American Family Association are very worrying indeed...

Coiff.

The only thing i really disagree with is the choice of Giuliani. if i had to, and only if I HAD to under threat of immediate death, vote republican,..I'd vote Ron Paul, even though I'm, as I've made plain, far from his biggest fan. i think Giuliani's image as astrongman is so much media hype. I think it's easy for leaders to get some instant credibility during national disasters, they just have to look really concerned and spout vague truisms. And ALL of the republicans are modeling themselves as the heirs to Bush, which is great for the dems, because they're all imitating, arguably, the worst president in American history. (If not he's high in the running.) It's bizarre watching the debates, i see the democrats talking about healthcare, the economy, foreign relations, improving America's image abroad, ending the war,... then you watch the republican debates and they're going on about not bombing and killing and torturing enough, what other countries can we invade, jesus, how cool reagan was (Good riddance.), and how theres' too many queers. They're totally detached from reality. Yes, i also find huckabee disturbing, the whole evangelical movement scares me. The worst part is however insane, it's a faith based conviction and thus cannot be defeated by reason as it exists outside of logic. I think the only solution is education. But it isn't just these evangelical crackpots, I resent that Hillary Clinton should have to be seen wearing a crucifix or state that she is a churchgoer, since when is that the staple of a good politician? I can't wait for a politician to say something along the lines of 'I'm an atheist, and I'm proud of it."

Let's see... Which party want to eradicate all safety nets for the poor and middle class while giving MASSIVE handouts to billionaires, left the katrina survivors twisting in the wind, provided military support for the dicttorships in indonesia, nicaragua, panama, chile, el salvador.. You get the idea, wants to take away a woman's right to choose, supports economic policies that are devastating to the us and the third world, will barely admit global warming exists, and created this goddamn war in iraq???? A hint,....NOT the democrats. And even though we may disagree politically, not voting is the WORST thing you can do. And if you don't vote you abdicate you're right to complain. it's not just a right it's a responsibility.

I just have to address this one thing about who was at fault here regarding Katrina. It was the dingbat governor, a dem, who refused to give the authorization for federal assistance. I know because I live in Louisiana. FEMA had problems but had the governor done her job by declaring a mandatory evacuation much earlier and doing what was necessary to activate the feds then a lot of what you all saw would not have happened the way it happened.

I just have to address this one thing about who was at fault here regarding Katrina. It was the dingbat governor, a dem, who refused to give the authorization for federal assistance. I know because I live in Louisiana. FEMA had problems but had the governor done her job by declaring a mandatory evacuation much earlier and doing what was necessary to activate the feds then a lot of what you all saw would not have happened the way it happened.

First of all, it goes way before the governor. Around the time of Bush's election Fema had prepared a list of the most likely catastrophes to befall the united states, in the top ten was massive destruction from a hurricane and flooding in new orleans. Incidentally, another one was a TERRORIST ATTACK IN NEW YORK. And even assuming the president responded as quickly as he could under the circumstances, that doesn't explain the fema trailers loaded with hazardous chemicals, or the housing department annihilating the low income housing in the area which will be replaced by higher-scale homes most of the people who lived there can't afford. moreover, to my understanding, the levees and floodwalls were rebuilt, to the same specifications as before, inviting a similar disaster. This is just the tip of the iceberg. This incident and it's aftermath are rife with testaments to the incompetency and corruption of this administration.

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First of all, it goes way before the governor. Around the time of Bush's election Fema had prepared a list of the most likely catastrophes to befall the united states, in the top ten was massive destruction from a hurricane and flooding in new orleans. Incidentally, another one was a TERRORIST ATTACK IN NEW YORK. And even assuming the president responded as quickly as he could under the circumstances, that doesn't explain the fema trailers loaded with hazardous chemicals, or the housing department annihilating the low income housing in the area which will be replaced by higher-scale homes most of the people who lived there can't afford. moreover, to my understanding, the levees and floodwalls were rebuilt, to the same specifications as before, inviting a similar disaster. This is just the tip of the iceberg. This incident and it's aftermath are rife with testaments to the incompetency and corruption of this administration.

I'm telling you from living in this god forsaken state all of my life that the problem with Katrina was the incompetent state and local leadership for generations not the current presidential administration. The corruption here is legendary. I live on the gulf coast and dealt with a direct hit from Rita. The difference in the two areas is the people. Both equally poor but have a different attitude about what to do when disaster strikes. New Orleans has a long history of a dependent class and it failed them when they needed help. The equally poor cajuns on the other hand understand that when a cat 5 storm is coming you get out of the way, and then you go back and rebuild. They don't wait for the government to tell them what to do.

New Orleans was failing long before Katrina hit. The school system was a joke. Millions of dollars disappeared every year yet the students couldn't read or pass the LEAP tests. Valedictorians couldn't pass the graduation exit exams. The housing projects should have been razed two decades ago. I've lived in New Orleans trust me when I say that it is best that those particular housing areas not be rebuilt the same way. There are so many opportunities for the people who are resourceful to make something with their lives but it requires hard work. Right now there aren't sufficient services in place to provide for those who refuse to pull their weight.

The levees and floodwalls have been repaired and reinforced where they failed. The problem was the engineers failed to factor in the peat soils and the sheet pilings weren't deep enough. That has been corrected. The Army Corp of Engineers is supposed to close off the MRGO which was a big factor in funneling the surge into New Orleans East.

ETA: The FEMA trailers suck. They are ugly, overpriced and not a permanent solution. However, I know a lot of people who were thankful for those little ugly trailers. They got their homes fixed as soon as possible. The state lost 300,000 houses and many more thousands were severely damaged. The travel trailers were the fastest solution to an immediate housing crisis. Again, they aren't a permanent solution and people are supposed to get their homes rebuilt or repaired as soon as possible. The majority of the people have done that.

What do you hope to achieve by doing, or rather, NOT doing, this?

What did you achieve by voting against Bush?

First of all, the only votes that really matter are local votes. Your influence on the Electoral College is not going to change an election. Your scenario is that everyone should go vote, and vote against the Republicans. If we do this, best case scenario is that we end up with a Democrat that you don't like or respect, either, but that you feel is not as bad.

"Not as bad" is not good enough. People should find someone they believe in and vote for them. At a local level your vote and your support might make some difference.

Equal Opportunity Hater, yes, it's because of Kerry. I did not vote for Gore, but I did vote for Kerry. I wish I hadn't, because I could have shown some support for the Libertarian Party even though they can't win, or the Green Party, even though they can't win. I think if it's a Democrat or a Republican in the White House, we all lose anyway.