http://www.faithmouse.com/morrissey_cartoon_blog.jpg


Thought this was cool.


Love, Peace and Harmony,

-DIMH!

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Roflmao

Blasphemouse!

Morrissey's lyrics should not be used to push women's rights back into the dark ages.

Morrissey's lyrics should not be used to push women's rights back into the dark ages.

No they absolutely shouldn't. He's turning in his coffin tonight.

(Morrissey traditionally sleeps in a coffin on Christmas night. Nobody knows why.)

awful.

Surely Asleep would have been far more appropriate for such a thing?

It just takes a little thought...:)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/ethics/abortion/

No they absolutely shouldn't. He's turning in his coffin tonight.

(Morrissey traditionally sleeps in a coffin on Christmas night. Nobody knows why.)

Ooooh. Sounds wonderfully conspiratorial. I'll be sure to whisper sweet something's into Eli's ears tonight. That is if I don't creep him out.

http://www.faithmouse.com/morrissey_cartoon_blog.jpg



I do like that his umbilical cord has a quick-release valve.

Morrissey's lyrics should not be used to push women's rights back into the dark ages.


Yeah Women's rights but forget the kids rights. You're missing the whole point.

The only true PRO-CHOICE is when BOTH the MOTHER and her CHILD have a choice.

If you don't want kids then don't have sex. You would think all the time spent listening to Morrissey you would have AT LEAST picked that up.

'YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE URGENCY OF LIFE.'

LOVE PEACE AND HARMONY

-David

David what you fail to understand with the idea of the pro-choice movement is that choice is what defines a human in the fullest sense of the word. We are not defined by vague portions of anatomy but the very ability to make choices and function on our own. Not only can a fetus not survive on its own but cannot make the decision in question. That is why it is up to the expectant mother to make such a choice. That is why it should be up to the individual to decide what is best for their situation and health. And should not be left up to the state or clergy to dictate one's individual choices. We are past the ages of gods and kings deciding our individual actions and we must keep it that way.

Absolutely brilliant David, I love it. Thanks for sharing.

I cannot believe you're writing things like that on Christmas :confused: You're twisting the truth. You cannot say one life is more important than another, life is life! As -David correctly pointed out, if you don't want to risk pregnancy, don't have sex! What feminists have done with our society is obnoxious.

hmm i see what you mean. but you also don't get my point. the fact that the fetus never even has a chance to have a say in its own life is a horrible thing. to me, its criminal. it goes against love. and yes youre right. people should not be dictated in any sense in this matter. instead, we should be educated on these things.

“If we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people to not kill each other? Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching its people to love, but to use any violence to get what they want.”
-Blessed Teresa of Calcutta

Love Peace and Harmony,

-David

“If we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people to not kill each other? Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching its people to love, but to use any violence to get what they want.”

My thoughts exactly, except that I don't believe that no people should be killed at all, like terrorists and violent criminals, etc.

But the law isnt about love its about preserving freedom for all those who can function in any capacity in a society. While yes is a fetus being deprived of freedom I suppose you are correct but when it does not have such a concept it is irrelevant. Furthermore it cannot function outside the womb so cannot be considered alive. I agree with you on people should be informed in the ramnifcations of their decisions but that does not mean that the majority of women who have abortions have them for selfish reasons.

We need a Mod on Aisle Twelve... Mod to Aisle Twelve, please.

eh I dont know this conversation is rather civil especially for the subject

But the law isnt about love its about preserving freedom for all those who can function in any capacity in a society. While yes is a fetus being deprived of freedom I suppose you are correct but when it does not have such a concept it is irrelevant. Furthermore it cannot function outside the womb so cannot be considered alive. I agree with you on people should be informed in the ramnifcations of their decisions but that does not mean that the majority of women who have abortions have them for selfish reasons.

Is not a plant a still a plant while it develops? :cool:

My only message is: Don't choose life, choose LOVE.

Love Peace and Harmony

-David

I believe abortions kick-ass, but politics aside, that cartoon is great!

I believe in innocent life... every human should receive the chance to make their own choices and live their life (even sing it if they'd like). What they do what that chance is up to them. To me, it is the only true and just way for a society to conduct itself. This has nothing to do with trying to squelsh "women's rights", it's about preserving the future for more people. Sometimes I think pro-choicers need to take off their "we're being oppressed!" hats and realize the noble intentions of the pro-life cause. States have laws against murder, and if you can say meat is murder, then certainly this is.

What I dont get is why pro-lifers play the we are being oppressed card when there is no legal mandate to have abortions as such there is no oppression against you. The pro-choice movement is vocally trying to counteract a vocal and in many respects radical movement and are just trying to defend freedom in their respective nations

Not only can a fetus not survive on its own but cannot make the decision in question.

Good Lord. So what about the mentally handicapped? Should a parent be able to kill their profoundly retarded four year old? Using your elementary logic the answer is yes.

What I dont get is why pro-lifers play the we are being oppressed card when there is no legal mandate to have abortions as such there is no oppression against you.

I love when people play this card. It's because they care for all life. they care for all humans. even if it's not their children. it's very selfless choice when you think about it.

Love Peace and Harmony,

-David

The only thing I don't like about Morrissey is that he's probably pro-choice... given his feminist beliefs. Does anyone know if he's ever spoken about this?

Abortion has its place. That's all I'm going to say about that.

I know this is a tough enough thread but I lack self control.

The pro-life movement in America is partly responsible for Bush. The anti-black, religious right to be more specific.

To complicate my post further. My brother who lives in America told me today that he drove past a church the other day and the 10 comandments were painted outside. Something made him look twice. 'Thou shalt not kill.' was not 'kill' but 'murder'. By definition, unlawfully taking life. Why the change? It is because a judge then decides what is murder and what is justifiable homicide? What is a sin and what isn't? It's ok to kill Muslims for oil for example and then it is not a sin? It is bad enough a judge elected Bush but for them to be of higher ranking than God? I'm all for science out-ranking God but come on!

He also told me how a woman wasn't allowed to board a flight with her lip gloss but an unloaded gun was fine. America scares me.

As for abortion. I'm against it in general but it isn't that straightforward. Quite probably the toughest of the ethical debates.

Yeah Women's rights but forget the kids rights. You're missing the whole point.

The only true PRO-CHOICE is when BOTH the MOTHER and her CHILD have a choice.

If you don't want kids then don't have sex. You would think all the time spent listening to Morrissey you would have AT LEAST picked that up.

'YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE URGENCY OF LIFE.'

LOVE PEACE AND HARMONY

-David

I do NOT want to have a conversation on abortion ever because that shit could get heated especially if I am talking to a male, but I can't resist asking you a question...

You state "If you don't want kids then don't have sex."
I respect your opinion and sorta agree with your statement, BUT what if a pregnancy happened because of rape, incest, ect....What is your stand on that?

Good Lord. So what about the mentally handicapped? Should a parent be able to kill their profoundly retarded four year old? Using your elementary logic the answer is yes.

My logic is not elementary its applying the basic standards of what makes a person even in the most basic capacity human. Even the profoundly retarded are capable of functioning on some levels of cognitive thought. That being said a fetus does not have this capacity and to apply the same forms of rights upon it as one would a functioning member of society is silly. My as you say elementary logic is the most logical and compassionate approach to the role of a person within a state when we use the definition of choice (which makes us what we are) as the basis for humanity. I dont advocate eugenics because clearly if a person decides to have a child they should take care of them to the best of their abilities

I do NOT want to have a conversation on abortion ever because that shit could get heated especially if I am talking to a male, but I can't resist asking you a question...

You state "If you don't want kids then don't have sex."
I respect your opinion and sorta agree with your statement, BUT what if a pregnancy happened because of rape, incest, ect....What is your stand on that?

dont dont dont!!!! oh my god now they are going to ramble incessantly!

OK I said I wasnt going to say anything else but here's one more tidbit: why dont you ardent pro lifers go to work at saving people with fully developed brains and four chambered hearts, ie people on death row and those suffering genocide in Darfur!

dont dont dont!!!! oh my god now they are going to ramble incessantly!

OK I said I wasnt going to say anything else but here's one more tidbit: why dont you ardent pro lifers go to work at saving people with fully developed brains and four chambered hearts, ie people on death row and those suffering genocide in Darfur!

I KNOW..I KNOW..I said I wasn't going to say anything either, but I was sitting here steaming and I couldn't be silent anymore:)

This thread totally needs to be moved to off topic.

I do NOT want to have a conversation on abortion ever because that shit could get heated especially if I am talking to a male, but I can't resist asking you a question...

You state "If you don't want kids then don't have sex."
I respect your opinion and sorta agree with your statement, BUT what if a pregnancy happened because of rape, incest, ect....What is your stand on that?

simple: respect life in all forms. afterall, everyone has a purpose. life is sacred.

"Don't nod your head until June."

And again, don't think i'm prolife nor choice. im pro love.

Love Peace and Harmony,

-David

Dude, you are either massively dyslexic (which is not a bad thing), or English is not your native tongue, or even worse, you dont speak english and youre using a robot translator.

who are you speaking about bogdana?

who are you speaking about bogdana?

Senor David is my hero

ok good to have clarified

all that. AND its been a long day.

please don't change the subject :)

we're not I was just asking for clarification on a statement I am all here to shred the pro-lifer dogma

not you :)

all that. AND its been a long day.

please don't change the subject :)

we're not I was just asking for clarification on a statement I am all here to shred the pro-lifer dogma

Do you see what I mean Ethan? WTF?

dude use quotes and/or complete sentences

The problem with asking about how the pregnancy happened is that people that are pro-abortion don't really ask how the pregnancy happened or use that as a factor. Anyway, I think that if you see this as a women's rights issue you don't want the woman to be quizzed on how the pregnancy happened.

If you see it as a human rights issue, I'm not sure that you would say that we can speak for the unborn, if we really take it to extremes.

We're not really talking about whether an abortion is right or wrong when we talk about rape or incest, (not to mention birth defects, the child's gender, and other factors that lead to abortion and infanticide) we're not talking about whether it is right or wrong but whether it is justified to take the life of the unborn.

Until people look at it honestly, and take responsibility this issue won't be solved. Calling it "tissue", after a certain phase of the pregnancy, is a lie. Saying that it avoids illegal back alley abortions is true, but it's pragmatic. The whole thing is pragmatic. It isn't about a woman's rights. It's about whether she will raise the child, and how she feels about adoption. The thing that bothers me about it is the denial that it takes a life, because it does. If the pro-abortion people would admit that then I would have more respect for their position.

I don't like the other side that much either. They have their own hangups. They don't want young people to have access to birth control, usually, which doesn't make sense. (Of course even when people have access to birth control it doesn't mean that they will use it.) Anyway, to some of these people it is about "God's Will" and we really shouldn't try to legislate "God's Will". By now though, the number of abortions should be declining each year as more options are available, and people should be wising up.

yeah though I dont know why you quote me lol

Do you see what I mean Ethan? WTF?

dude use quotes and/or complete sentences

i couldve sworn this was an interent forum and not a final dissertation.

dude use quotes and/or complete sentences

it's more fun to do it haiku style

By now though, the number of abortions should be declining each year as more options are available, and people should be wising up.


exactly.

Love Peace and Harmony,

-David

I agree with David that grammar critiques are a bit redundant on a net forum but David it would make things a tad more clear being said. But what I think people on this forum need to realize is what happens if we make abortion illegal. First what sort of punishment would be enforced and to who? And will it actually curb abortions or move it back into dangerous back alley clinics?

quote nazi! :D

sorry. I was just trying to be the first person to say nazi

The problem with ........... and people should be wising up.

you know what i dont like about the "other side"? They are sneaky bastards. churches set up what appear to be clinics and then guilt people into not having an abortion and not just coming clean and saying "hey, we're actually a church, and the pope wants us to make you feel like shit for making a choice you already wish you didn't have to make".

I think one of the key issues we need to wise up about is the falsehood of blood being more important than any type of family. THen having a baby and giving it up for adoption won't seem so horrible to the birth mother. Here's an example of what I am talking about, about people worrying about blood relatives so much: people think Terri Schiavo's parents should have had the last say in what happened to their daughter just because they are blood. I totally disagree. If something happened to me, God forbid my parents make any decisions about my life. I trust my husband to pull that plug when my brain turns to mush. People just automatically go "Well the mother and father should say not the husband". Newsflash folks, not all moms and dads are good! She didn't have a good relationship with them, why should they decide? THey shouldn't. But the majority of america acted like sheep and said "ohhh, the parents should decide". I'm glad they didn't get a say in it.

PS David was seriously not making sense. normally i do not care about grammar. he's not making sense in other threads too follow him around.

I agree with David that grammar critiques are a bit redundant on a net forum but David it would make things a tad more clear being said. But what I think people on this forum need to realize is what happens if we make abortion illegal. First what sort of punishment would be enforced and to who? And will it actually curb abortions or move it back into dangerous back alley clinics?


yeah yeah i totally agree. it would lead to illegal abortions which are far dangerous. i did mention earlier how it shouldn't be banned. BUT i do feel people should be better educated (i.e. options, emotional, aftermath etc.).

Love peace and harmony

-David

the pope wants us to make you feel like shit for making a choice you already wish you didn't have to make".



It's best to leave the Church out of this one. All they want is love and nothing more. I can go on for days about that one. and i know bogdana doesn't want me too. :D

yes i can quote the bible and stuff but i can quote Morrissey far better. Which brings me to my conclusion. Love all. The End.

Love Peace and Harmony,

-David

PS i try to watch my typing :)

It's best to leave the Church out of this one. All they want is love and nothing more. I can go on for days about that one. and i know bogdana doesn't want me too. :D

yes i can quote the bible and stuff but i can quote Morrissey far better. Which brings me to my conclusion. Love all. The End.

Love Peace and Harmony,

-David

PS i try to watch my typing :)

The CHURCH is precisely why this conversation is even relevant. are you catholic or evangelical!

you know what i dont like about the "other side"? They are sneaky bastards. churches set up what appear to be clinics and then guilt people into not having an abortion and not just coming clean and saying "hey, we're actually a church, and the pope wants us to make you feel like shit for making a choice you already wish you didn't have to make".

I think one of the key issues we need to wise up about is blood being more important than family. THen having a baby and giving it up for adoption won't seem so horrible to the birth mother. Here's an example of what I am talking about, about people worrying about blood relatives so much: people think Terri Schiavo's parents should have had the last say in what happened to their daughter just because they are blood. I totally disagree. If something happened to me, God forbid my parents make any decisions about my life. I trust my husband to pull that plug when my brain turns to mush. People just automatically go "Well the mother and father should say not the husband". Newsflash folks, not all moms and dads are good! She didn't have a good relationship with them, why should they decide? THey shouldn't. But the majority of america acted like sheep and said "ohhh, the parents should decide". I'm glad they didn't get a say in it.

PS David was seriously not making sense. normally i do not care about grammar. he's not making sense in other threads too follow him around.

Maybe Planned Parenthood should start opening churches.

You're right that something is really messed up when giving a child up for adoption is seen as morally wrong. I have friends that were adopted and they turned out cool. One doesn't care, and happens to be a guy. Another guy never really talked about it. A woman I know found her birth parents and it was big drama for a while but she only got to know them for a while and got some answers and then they went back to their own lives. I don't think she sees them now. Her dad didn't know about her. He knew that her mother had been pregnant but she told him something. I guess she didn't want him to interfere in the adoption.

That's another weird issue. A woman can get an abortion, but the man has a say about adoption. I guess she didn't want him to have a chance to take the baby.

The CHURCH is precisely why this conversation is even relevant. are you catholic or evangelical!


not that it matters but i am Roman Catholic. not conservative not liberal. because implying so would totally negate the word 'Catholic' which means 'universal'.

And i have free will. Which is why i love this Church. 2000 years of educated thought. it's the best. read about it.

Love peace and harmony

-David

PS i was atheist until i became a History major and researched the beginning of the Church myself. (in case you were wondering):)

hahaha a PP church, oh lord, no, PP gives out correct and useful information ( you know they arent just about abortions)

I think a lot of adoptees have these beautiful visions of being reunited but most hardly go like that. a lot of the adoptees 'real' parents are either a disappointment or have no interest in revisiting that part of their lives and they just want to go on from there. I wish I was adopted, i cant believe I came from the womb of a she devil!

not that it matters but i am Roman Catholic. not conservative not liberal. because implying so would totally negate the word 'Catholic' which means 'universal'.

And i have free will. Which is why i love this Church. 2000 years of educated thought. it's the best. read about it.

Love peace and harmony

-David

PS i was atheist until i became a History major and researched the beginning of the Church myself. (in case you were wondering):)


Oh yeah, love peace and harmony from the Catholic church, unless you're gay. Or a protestant! Or disabled!
Ive read about it plenty, thank you, and I'm not as dense as you may think when it comes to religion, I happen to have a slightly respectable background in Judeo Christian beliefs. Which is precisely why I am feeling so incredulous about how you are so obviously brainwashed. But whatever, enjoy it then, I can tell you're more conservative than not. you certainly dont talk like a 'cafeteria Catholic', you're a pretty conservative being according to these beliefs you've written about. Ignorance is bliss:rolleyes:

hahaha a PP church, oh lord, no, PP gives out correct and useful information ( you know they arent just about abortions)

I know, but I was just thinking that they could get everyone in there and then their "pope" could release one of those deals where they rewrite the infallible word of God... I forget what they call it... and be like "God says condoms are cool. If it breaks we have some RU486."

Oh yeah, love peace and harmony from the Catholic church, unless you're gay. Or a protestant! Or disabled!
Ive read about it plenty, thank you, and I'm not as dense as you may think when it comes to religion, I happen to have a slightly respectable background in Judeo Christian beliefs. Which is precisely why I am feeling so incredulous about how you are so obviously brainwashed. But whatever, enjoy it then, I can tell you're more conservative than not. you certainly dont talk like a 'cafeteria Catholic', you're a pretty conservative being according to these beliefs you've written about. Ignorance is bliss:rolleyes:

thats actually a misconception. Homosexuals are not to be shun. just the homosexual acts. and it's not really because they so awful but because they go against the sacrament of marriage. and as for protestants. they shun us. we just think its funny. :)

I know, but I was just thinking that they could get everyone in there and then their "pope" could release one of those deals where they rewrite the infallible word of God... I forget what they call it... and be like "God says condoms are cool. If it breaks we have some RU486."

oh they already have that church. its the protestant wing ;)

ah yes. the infallible word of god... written by a bunch of men, in a time when few could read OR write. good times!

thats actually a misconception. Homosexuals are not to be shun. just the homosexual acts. and it's not really because they so awful but because they go against the sacrament of marriage. and as for protestants. they shun us. we just think its funny. :)

protestants don't shun catholics, they just wish you were protestant.

It doesnt go against the sacrament of marriage; its love. love comes in all forms, its beautiful and unique yet common at the same time. love love love, love peace and harmony, remember? Gay people can't have sex with someone they love?

im going to bed. gnite!

sighh. it was inspired by the Holy Spirt. which is a nature of God.

THE END

I STARTED SOMETHING I COULDN'T FINISH

i guess i'm HATED FOR LOVING!

:)

GOODNIGHT AND THANK YOUUU!

sighh. it was inspired by the Holy Spirt. which is a nuture of God.

THE END

I STARTED SOMETHING I COULD'NT FINSH

i guess i'm HATED FOR LOVING!

:)

GOODNIGHT AND THANK YOUUU!

LOVE PEACE AND HARMONYYYY

I'm hardly what you would call a feminist, but the pro-life argument frames women's primary responsibility in life as child bearing. This is beyond dispute. One cannot sit on a high horse and proclaim abortion as heinous under any and all circumstances. As mentioned, pregnancies resulting from rape and incest, to force these women to bear a child conceived through brutality is, in itself, an act of cruelty. Bringing a child into this world which may not be able to have a supportive home or necessary care, is an act of cruelty. Moreover, pro-lifers always use words like "life" or "fetus" to describe what really can't be called either until about 9 weeks in. Is there a clear cut off point? No, but to pretend a zygote or an embryo is equivalent to a person is seriously suspect. It's so sad how an archaic and twisted ideology distorts some peoples' understanding of this issue, sadly, I must admit men are really fundamentally to blame, at least historically. If we could get pregnant the same as women, this argument wouldn't exist, there'd be a clinic in every county. Moreover I find the use of morrissey's (who is most assuredly pro choice.) lyrics to defend this extremist ideology offensive.

thats actually a misconception. Homosexuals are not to be shun. just the homosexual acts. and it's not really because they so awful but because they go against the sacrament of marriage. and as for protestants. they shun us. we just think its funny. :)

I have to wonder how you can be such a huge Morrissey fan as it's plain the man's about as straight as a rotary.

not that it matters but i am Roman Catholic. not conservative not liberal. because implying so would totally negate the word 'Catholic' which means 'universal'.

And i have free will. Which is why i love this Church. 2000 years of educated thought. it's the best. read about it.

Love peace and harmony

-David

PS i was atheist until i became a History major and researched the beginning of the Church myself. (in case you were wondering):)

What do you think of the Pope opposing the use of condoms to reduce the spread of AIDS?

I have to wonder how you can be such a huge Morrissey fan as it's plain the man's about as straight as a rotary.

I LIVE off every word Morrissey sings or says. And he is not gay not bisexual. In Morrissey's case, these prefixes don't apply. Surely you know that. Plus, he sees sex as a 'waste of batteries.' :)

What do you think of the Pope opposing the use of condoms to reduce the spread of AIDS?

Surely you mean in Africa, i presume. Well, it's not really the Pope's decision. He is merely a man. He cannot change what the Word of God is meant to say.

BUT THIS IS NEITHER HERE NOR THERE!

hahaha no more questions please!

direct questions to dmaldana@aol.com

This site is about MORRISSEY. not morality.


Love Peace and Harmony

-David

Moreover I find the use of morrissey's (who is most assuredly pro choice.) lyrics to defend this extremist ideology offensive.

I don't know... After all, I remember Margaret Thatcher being Pro-Choice. :)

who are you speaking about bogdana?

me ofcourz


waves to lit teacher twins sisters [mhh and from the UK both]

:cool:

What do you think of the Pope opposing the use of condoms to reduce the spread of AIDS?

Surely you mean in Africa, i presume.

AIDS is everywhere, not isolated to one continent or one group of people. I don't know what made you think this.

This site is about MORRISSEY. not morality.


-David

You're right, but what made you bring this subject up in the first place?

You don't have to admit that your wrong in your beliefs, but you can not say that everyone else is wrong just because they don't agree with you. The users of this forum are free thinking people, not sheep that go along with the herd.

David, if you could please stop pushing you beliefs on everyone here and stick to the subject at hand,http://static.nme.com/images/83_Morrissey1_L311005.jpg
, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

AIDS is everywhere, not isolated to one continent or one group of people. I don't know what made you think this.



You're right, but what made you bring this subject up in the first place?

You don't have to admit that your wrong in your beliefs, but you can not say that everyone else is wrong just because they don't agree with you. The users of this forum are free thinking people, not sheep that go along with the herd.

David, if you could please stop pushing you beliefs on everyone here and stick to the subject at hand,http://static.nme.com/images/83_Morrissey1_L311005.jpg
, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

:) i dont remeber pushing my beliefs on anyone. I am merely stating my opinion just as everyone else is. i never said anyone was 'wrong.'

in fact, what is wrong? whos to say?

and about the Africa thing. In 1992, there was this whole big issue because there was a push to provide more condoms in Africa. If youre not aware, the AIDS rate is higher there than anywhere. And Pope John Paul II was strongly against. Since they were talking about the Pope I figured he meant that situation .

and about that. If i knew i could die if i had casual sex i'd make more of an effort to keep it in my pants.

And as for why i brought it up. I just liked the cartoon :)

Love Peace and Harmony,

-David

http://www.faithmouse.com/morrissey_cartoon_blog.jpg


Thought this was cool.


Love, Peace and Harmony,

-DIMH!

Love the image to pieces, but please loose the LP&H shit and get yourself a cool sig like mine instead :cool:

thats actually a misconception. Homosexuals are not to be shun. just the homosexual acts. and it's not really because they so awful but because they go against the sacrament of marriage. and as for protestants. they shun us. we just think its funny. :)

Read enough


http://i4.tinypic.com/6ktjw52.jpg

If you don't want kids then don't have sex. You would think all the time spent listening to Morrissey you would have AT LEAST picked that up.



...and what about rape?

Education is the key to solve these problems. Going into schools and stuff, to tell people the real risks of their actions.

thats actually a misconception. Homosexuals are not to be shun. just the homosexual acts.

So then, kissing another man would be an 'act'?
It's only showing peoples devoution and care for one another, how could someone possibly be against that?

I deplore organised religion anyway.

I'm hardly what you would call a feminist, but the pro-life argument frames women's primary responsibility in life as child bearing. This is beyond dispute. One cannot sit on a high horse and proclaim abortion as heinous under any and all circumstances. As mentioned, pregnancies resulting from rape and incest, to force these women to bear a child conceived through brutality is, in itself, an act of cruelty. Bringing a child into this world which may not be able to have a supportive home or necessary care, is an act of cruelty. Moreover, pro-lifers always use words like "life" or "fetus" to describe what really can't be called either until about 9 weeks in. Is there a clear cut off point? No, but to pretend a zygote or an embryo is equivalent to a person is seriously suspect. It's so sad how an archaic and twisted ideology distorts some peoples' understanding of this issue, sadly, I must admit men are really fundamentally to blame, at least historically. If we could get pregnant the same as women, this argument wouldn't exist, there'd be a clinic in every county. Moreover I find the use of morrissey's (who is most assuredly pro choice.) lyrics to defend this extremist ideology offensive.

Well said-thank you. Can I quote one lyric? 'No baby pulled screaming out into this seething whirl by chance or whim or even love?' *or cuz a guy or a church is telling her what to do with her body.

It offends me that pro-choice people might be called pro-abortion :confused: :mad:

Love the image to pieces, but please loose the LP&H shit and get yourself a cool sig like mine instead :cool:

Really David, you're making my 'choice' (i.e. excellent) LP&H look bad :rolleyes:

I am pro-choice before conception. Give her options. If given the choice between one of these and intercourse, which do you think smart gals will choose?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2093/2138332850_8d6c859dc8_m.jpg

It's the most fun she'll have with birth control.

It's semen proof.

It's an option she'll chose time and time again.

It's affordable.

Instead of causing anxiety, it will relieve it.

Need I say more?

Don't want to be a mom? Buy a vibrator!

I love when people play this card. It's because they care for all life. they care for all humans. even if it's not their children. it's very selfless choice when you think about it.

Love Peace and Harmony,

-David


Then why most pro-life persons are also for death penalty ?

Then why most pro-life persons are also for death penalty ?

thats precisely what i said but all the pro lifers ignored my idea of them saving the fully functioning humans on death row and also the people suffering from genocide in darfur.

seriously this has little or nothing to do with Moz it should be in off topic im shocked its still here.

Then why most pro-life persons are also for death penalty ?

Because they are probably either going along with the generall close minded view of whatever church they belong to; or they are male and have no sense of womans' rights; or they are republicans and make no sense to begin with. Seriously, this is how I feel, I don't care who I offend.

So then, kissing another man would be an 'act'?
It's only showing peoples devoution and care for one another, how could someone possibly be against that?

I deplore organised religion anyway.

But then again i'm not God to tell you what a sin is. I can't judge. An action is all about knowledge and consent of your actions.

NO MORE QUESTIONS PLEASEE hahaha

Well I'm pretty sure love isn't a sin...

Then why most pro-life persons are also for death penalty ?

Thats beyond me. I thought 'Pro Life' was respecting life in all ways.

And again i'm not trying to rub my beliefs in anyone's face. I'm just answering questions.

I love how when people found out i feel this way they start questioning me like a circus side show.

And why do i answer them? Because i feel it's my duty to explain the true Catholic standpoint on the matter. there are so many misconceptions about it. It up to you to adhere to them. And if you choose not to, then that's all you. I sleep perfectly at night. Trust me.


This is the last song i will ever sing,

-David

Well said-thank you. Can I quote one lyric? 'No baby pulled screaming out into this seething whirl by chance or whim or even love?' *or cuz a guy or a church is telling her what to do with her body.

It offends me that pro-choice people might be called pro-abortion :confused: :mad:



Really David, you're making my 'choice' (i.e. excellent) LP&H look bad :rolleyes:

:( oh no... it pains me when people think i'm judging them. and i'm not saying you are feeling that specifically but i'm starting to get the feeling that some people do feel like that.

If you feel like that about that issue, that's strictly your business. I'm not here to stone anyone. I love all and respect all. And it's that simple.

And End of the Family Line is my favorite solo song


-David

What i would like to know is, should i, as a woman, decide to keep my child, would the catholic church provide me with the £186 000 cost of raising that child?

would they help out with nappies, feeds, clothes, cots, medicines, housing? what about my medical expenses? what about when the child is teething in the middle of the night? will the church be there to comfort and soothe that child?

and my body, does the church repair the damage done to my body that having a child inflicts? will they be there to hold my hair back when i'm vomiting? can they stop things like haemorrhoids? varicose veins? loss of hair? a reduction in my bone density? most, importantly, stretch marks, boobs down to my knees and a torn perineum?

“Love is always patient and kind; it is never rude nor SELFISH."

;)

Love Peace and Harmony

-David

is that a yes? or a no?

"Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.

Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.

Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.

Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children. "

You know, you wouldn't feel the need to temporarily tranquilize yourself if you didn't take things so literally.

Reading this thread made me feel sick. I can't believe the obsolete views shared on this matter.

Thank god i live in denmark where everyone can get an abortion, free.

i see the effect of the go-go's is lost on you. i'm not surprised.

I love the surprise of cryptic responses, but I was wondering if you could elaborate a bit.

is that a yes? or a no?

"Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.

Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.

Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.

Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children. "

It's interesting you're using Isaiah from the Old Testament while i used a letter from St. Paul from the New. I'm not saying the OT has been deemed obsolete but since the NT there was a new covenant. Where one of the greatest commandments being 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'

Also i believe in Isaiah those soldiers were carrying out that plan in the sense that they will wage a "holy war" and complete God's plan.

Love Peace and Harmony,

-David

And the answer is actually yes. Contact your local parish for more information.

Because i feel it's my duty to explain the true Catholic standpoint on the matter.

Are you going to tell us we shouldn't go and see The Golden Compass now?

Because it promotes "individualism" :eek:

Are you going to tell us we shouldn't go and see The Golden Compass now?

Because it promotes "individualism" :eek:

And that the child is born out of wedlock and - gasp- an alcohol guzzling polar bear!

Seriously folks, if you read the first 3 pages you'd see this is pointless w/ him. I wouldn't suggest reading it tho bc its a little grating.

Are you going to tell us we shouldn't go and see The Golden Compass now?

Because it promotes "individualism" :eek:

hahah no. i'll tell you not to see it because it's boring.

ah, yes, the mutability of a immutable god. this is where you say that the ot can be disregarded because jesus provided a new covenant.

let's see what he said..."Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. "

or perhaps, "For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death". hmm, that sort of love your neighbour makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

my local parish is giving away grants of £186 000? they can also prevent me from stretch marks? I'll phone them in the morning. perhaps i'll phone them in the early morning hours to see how helpful they'll be with those nights when the child lays awake screaming.

You win. I'm converting to the Holy Church of Elvis.

You win. I'm converting to the Holy Church of Elvis.

That's a good choice. If you need a sponsor, let me know.

wow. a word of advice; don't go to the atheist network.

"How rude!!"

wow. a word of advice; don't go to the atheist network.


i've actually been there in my darker years.

but i'm so glad to grow older ;)

Holy crap! As if I didn't have enough aggravation today, I decided to subject myself to this entire thread from page1. HAHA...where's that thread that asks if solo makes me 'emotionally unmanageable'? :p

OK....I'm too tired to go through this thread again with the multiquote.
So here's some shit off the top of my head.
Basically, as far as the pic itself goes, I think it is rather absurd that an likeness of Moz along with his lyrics are being used in a Pro-Life advert. Given his women's rights stance I think it would be safe to assume that he is Pro-Choice.

I do notice that trend where pro-lifers condemn abortion but are completely fine with capital punishment. It's like they're saying 'all life is sacred' in one breath and 'unless you piss us off' in the next. Little hyprocritical I think.

The statement that the Catholic Church doesn't condemn homosexuals, just homosexual acts is the biggest fuckin copout that I have heard in a while. How does this work? "We're not saying that you're going to hell for who you are...just what you do." The Catholic Church is the biggest hypocritical, unrealistic organization that I have ever heard of and continues to amaze me.

Statements like "if you aren't ready for a child, don't have sex" are great if you're living in a fuckin bubble. But since that is not going to happen... maybe we should deal with life on life's terms. Sex will happen. As well mistakes and unplanned pregancies. I'm all for contraception but if that does not work, other options should be available and not in a back alley, illegal shop where the woman is risking her life to undergo the procedure.

As far as whether I support abortion. Well, from a personal perspective, I'm adopted...so I would love to see a woman put the child up for adoption if she didn't want to raise it. Cuz we all see what a perfectly well-adjusted individual I've turned out to be. ;) But I still fully support the woman's right to choose. I would love to say that it was only allowed in extraneous circumstances such as rape, incest, violence, etc...but then where do you draw the line? Severe handicap? Autism? Color-blindness? Wrong sex? Society as a whole can't regulate this decision as there are just two many factors involved in each particular situation. It sucks that there are people out there who certainly use abortion as a method of birth control...going through procedures like they were going out of style and that is unfortunate. But there are extremes in every situation and I really believe the it's a decision that must lay solely on the mother.

OK..I don't even know what I wrote at this point...I was just too heated and felt the need to rant. *deep exhale* ahh, better.

The Catholic Church is the biggest hypocritical, unrealistic organization that I have ever heard of and continue to amaze me.



Hardly.

Hardly.

you are blinded by "the light"

Esheh: Get out of this thread as quickly as you can. he is catholic and therefore the king (or queen) of loopholes even if they make little to no sense. Spare yourself the trouble, I wish I would already!

Does anyone remember when this forum was about Morrissey?

you tell us, padre o madre, this was all started by you and it has little to nothing to do with morrissey. some random pro-life jpeg you found or made that probably doesn't even reflect morrissey's core value system.

you are blinded by "the light"

Esheh: Get out of this thread as quickly as you can. he is catholic and therefore the king (or queen) of loopholes even if they make little to no sense. Spare yourself the trouble, I wish I would already!

Thankfully, I have to leave the office now. But it's already too late for me. haha I'm sure I will be checking this thread when I get home. yes...my life is that boring! hahaha
Does anyone remember when this forum was about Morrissey?
Yes...I think it was right around the second before you posted the image that started this thread. :rolleyes::p

As an attorney for Mr Buzzetta. I am here to read the following statement.

At this time Buzzetta reserves comment upon the subject matter and nature of this thread. While some have inquired as to his input he does not feel that a proper response can be given at this time. Mr Buzzetta respects the Morrissey-Solo community and wishes the best for this thread in so much that it is handled in an appropriate matter to all involved.

Except Pandora as she dresses funny.

Does anyone remember when this forum was about Morrissey?

What i mean is we should have been talking about the cartoon itself and how Morrissey is (or shouldn't be) involved with it.

It seems to me that everyone just started to mouth off about the Church. The whole time i was just correcting misinterpretations. :)

No more hate please :/

(and by hate i mean anger)

I believe you were the first person to introduce religion into the thread with a quote from tessa.

besides, people are allowed to evolve thread discussions, hence the multiple calls for this thread to be moved to off-topic.

:/ it was Ethan Poe actually. and he was against the idea of the cartoon.

my mistake.

it happens :)

What i mean is we should have been talking about the cartoon itself and how Morrissey is (or shouldn't be) involved with it.

It seems to me that everyone just started to mouth off about the Church. The whole time i was just correcting misinterpretations. :)

No more hate please :/

(and by hate i mean anger)

You are taking it personally, I can tell by your choice to say we are "mouthing off" about the Church. This is not the case. We have strong and valid points about how the Church is NOT infallible. just because you don't agree doesn't mean we're mouthing off.

Buzzetta: dude.... good call!

You are taking it personally, I can tell by your choice to say we are "mouthing off" about the Church. This is not the case. We have strong and valid points about how the Church is NOT infallible. just because you don't agree doesn't mean we're mouthing off.

Buzzetta: dude.... good call!

Yeah I know... Some people say she dresses downright freakish- I am polite enough to say that she simply dresses funny.

Yeah I know... Some people say she dresses downright freakish- I am polite enough to say that she simply dresses funny.

i just meant sending your lawyer in since you were exhausted from the vegetarian posting... but the dressing funny thing was the cherry on top. though at least she makes complete sentences- original ones that she uses her own mind to create, not constant robotic quotes from the bible.

i just meant sending your lawyer in since you were exhausted from the vegetarian posting... but the dressing funny thing was the cherry on top. though at least she makes complete sentences- original ones that she uses her own mind to create, not constant robotic quotes from the bible.

Of course she does... she has a higher IQ than most as that is why she knows enough not to eat meat. If she had a higher IQ she would know enough... &#^!($@^ #&#&@()!) #*#&*@^!@?"

I will finish that in PM.

OKAY QP !?!?!?!

Of course she does... she has a higher IQ than most as that is why she knows enough not to eat meat. If she had a higher IQ she would know enough... &#^!($@^ #&#&@()!) #*#&*@^!@?"

I will finish that in PM.

OKAY QP !?!?!?!

DUDE, I know, i know i know. Obi Wan is our only hope... and i think he's in the star wats forums.

sadly, I must admit men are really fundamentally to blame, at least historically. If we could get pregnant the same as women, this argument wouldn't exist, there'd be a clinic in every county.

How can you say the argument wouldn't EXIST?

What's primarily to blame for the climate of the abortion debate in America is that the U.S. Supreme Court cut off the ability of the people to debate and work out the issue through democracy at the state and local levels. I, personally, think it would crush the religious-right if the Supreme Court over-turned Roe vs. Wade. You'd suddenly have a Republican Party scrambling to assure women they didn't really mean it when they said they would outlaw abortions.


Moreover I find the use of morrissey's (who is most assuredly pro choice.) lyrics to defend this extremist ideology offensive.


Morrissey may very well be pro-abortion-rights, but he most assuredly believes the vast majority of abortions are immoral. You can't really preach that it is MURDER to kill anything and everything other than a plant...except, oh, I'm a feminist so bully to you if you exterminate that human fetus! He does, after all, consider killing a slug or a spider "murder", and admires terrorist violence against scientists doing research on fish to cure cancer at Oxford University.

You attack extremist ideology and seem to separate Morrissey from extremism, yet Morrissey's extremism on animal rights has much in common with not just pro-lifers but the most hardcore and radical pro-lifers who advocate the bombings of abortion clinics.

As for me, I don't feel much moral concern about abortions because I don't believe in a human soul. Double the number of fetuses killed and I'll shrug, maybe even smile (it probably would lower the crime rate, and I wouldn't have to support as many people being put down in the gas chambers). I won't call a baby fully human until they've been out of the womb and out in the world for a bit. But I do think the cartoon that started this thread is very much in line with Morrissey's moral viewpoint (except he might feel the word "human" is speciesist). And if you're a silly woman who is aborting a baby because you weren't smart enough to use birth control, you'd better hope I'm right about there being no human soul or else you're going straight to the Lake of Fire. Fortunately, I'm male and cannot get pregnant.

How can you say the argument wouldn't EXIST?

What's primarily to blame for the climate of the abortion debate in America is that the U.S. Supreme Court cut off the ability of the people to debate and work out the issue through democracy at the state and local levels. I, personally, think it would crush the religious-right if the Supreme Court over-turned Roe vs. Wade. You'd suddenly have a Republican Party scrambling to assure women they didn't really mean it when they said they would outlaw abortions.





Morrissey may very well be pro-abortion-rights, but he most assuredly believes the vast majority of abortions are immoral. You can't really preach that it is MURDER to kill anything and everything other than a plant that is living...except, oh, I'm a feminist so bully to you if you exterminate that human fetus! He does, after all, consider killing a slug or a spider "murder", and admires terrorist violence against scientists doing research on fish to cure cancer at Oxford University.

You attack extremist ideology and seem to separate Morrissey from extremism, yet Morrissey's extremism on animal rights has much in common with not just pro-lifers but the most hardcore and radical pro-lifers who advocate the bombings of abortion clinics.

As for me, I don't feel much moral concern about abortions because I don't believe in a human soul. Double the number of fetuses killed and I'll shrug, maybe even smile (it probably would lower the crime rate, and I wouldn't have to support as many people being put down in the gas chambers). I won't call a baby fully human until they've been out of the womb and out in the world for a bit. But I do think the cartoon that started this thread is very much in line with Morrissey's moral viewpoint (except he might feel the word "human" is speciesist). And if you're a silly woman who is aborting a baby because you weren't smart enough to use birth control, you'd better hope I'm right about there being no human soul or else you're going straight to the Lake of Fire. Fortunately, I'm male and cannot get pregnant.

bravo.

Reading this thread made me feel sick. I can't believe the obsolete views shared on this matter.

Thank god i live in denmark where everyone can get an abortion, free.

Lovely, state-sponsored abortions for everyone, how kewl!!! :rolleyes:

The statement that the Catholic Church doesn't condemn homosexuals, just homosexual acts is the biggest fuckin copout that I have heard in a while. How does this work? "We're not saying that you're going to hell for who you are...just what you do." The Catholic Church is the biggest hypocritical, unrealistic organization that I have ever heard of and continues to amaze me.


xxx

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He does, after all, consider killing a slug or a spider "murder", and admires terrorist violence against scientists doing research on fish to cure cancer at Oxford University.

Wait, so they have cured cancer? All I can find is a story about fish with melanoma. This was at the Institute of Genetics and Virology in Germany and it's from 1981.

Reading this thread made me feel sick. I can't believe the obsolete views shared on this matter.

Thank god i live in denmark where everyone can get an abortion, free.


Before you ask for God to endorse your love of Denmark, maybe you should outlaw bestiality.

But it's cute how you believe you're getting something for free from your government while you live in the second most heavily taxed nation in the world.

But I like Denmark. And we all stood with those Danish artists when a deranged Islamist whipped up other lunatic Muslims into a barbaric frenzy over some drawings of Muhammad(*).


(* Well, some of us did. As it happens, the lefty group Morrissey's been sucking up to in order to "prove" he's not a racist - Love Music Hate Racism, they call themselves - stood up for the rampaging lunatic barbarians. More on this next time I come to the board and update my thread on that lowly group, now that I've found (amongst the steady-flow of mental-retardation on their web site) that they went out of their way to defend radical Islamists out on killing sprees to stamp out freedom in Denmark and beyond.)

Thank god i live in denmark where everyone can get an abortion, free.

Hardly something to brag about, is it?

How can you say the argument wouldn't EXIST?

What's primarily to blame for the climate of the abortion debate in America is that the U.S. Supreme Court cut off the ability of the people to debate and work out the issue through democracy at the state and local levels.


I am not going to express an opinion towards either side of this argument. Think of me as an independent moderator within a debate. This post caught my eye for one particular reason... the above statement.

An issue of this magnitude cannot be handed down to the states as it is a national issue of interpretation of the constitution. The states are not at liberty to determine a constitutional issue concerning the individual rights of citizens and interpretation of the distribution of those rights. The last time that was attempted Jim Crow ran rampant through Mississippi. By the nature of the case and how it travelled towards the Supreme Court it became a national issue once accepted to be heard in the Court.

The examples I bring up are not to interject an opinion either way. There were instances where women were given a right to vote in some states but not others. Slavery was also an issue that was originally determined on a state level. The abortion issue involves an interpretation of constitutional rights therefore it is decided on a federal level.

It is surprising that another issue is also not folded under that banner and that is the death penalty. There will come a time where that too is an all or nothing approach. It is simply a matter of the right argument and phrasing of that argument to travel up the ladder and be accepted to be heard.

Oh yeah, love peace and harmony from the Catholic church, unless you're gay. Or a protestant! Or disabled!


Booya!

Yeah Women's rights but forget the kids rights. You're missing the whole point.

The only true PRO-CHOICE is when BOTH the MOTHER and her CHILD have a choice.

If you don't want kids then don't have sex. You would think all the time spent listening to Morrissey you would have AT LEAST picked that up.

'YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE URGENCY OF LIFE.'

LOVE PEACE AND HARMONY

-David


Ditto.:)


As for someone mentioning feminism somewhere i don`t really want to be any mans equal.In my own personal experience being equal means contributing to everything and still being expected to do all household chores and look after the kids.I ache for a time when we were only required to fill one role and not be super humans.

I think it's pretty disgusting to be discussing such a personal topic like it's small talk on here considering, there's many opinions from many different voices and obviously, none of which will agree.

It's a woman & her family's personal decision what she has to do regarding her body & situation yet, I will state that, even if you kill a fetus, you're obviously playing God & who has that right? No-one. Obviously, a precious baby was given into your life for a reason, no matter if one thinks it's good or bad. Plenty of people like myself, would love to take a baby home & try to provide a loving family for he/she.

Obviously people are going to attack me now regarding what I just posted but, like I stated earlier, we all have a choice.....

I think it's pretty disgusting to be discussing such a personal topic like it's small talk on here considering, there's many opinions from many different voices and obviously, none of which will agree.

It's a woman & her family's personal decision what she has to do regarding her body & situation yet, I will state that, even if you kill a fetus, you're obviously playing God & who has that right? No-one. Obviously, a precious baby was given into your life for a reason, no matter if one thinks it's good or bad. Plenty of people like myself, would love to take a baby home & try to provide a loving family for he/she.

Obviously people are going to attack me now regarding what I just posted but, like I stated earlier, we all have a choice.....

I'm not attacking you, but I am curious how you said it was disgusting to discuss this in paragraph #1, then managed to not only discuss it in paragraph #2, but also managed to say how it is a woman's choice because it's her body BUT still no one should do it because no one has the right to play god. :confused: wha? Which way is the wind blowing for ya, Mozzy1...yay OR nay?

I'm not attacking you, but I am curious how you said it was disgusting to discuss this in paragraph #1, then managed to not only discuss it in paragraph #2, but also managed to say how it is a woman's choice because it's her body BUT still no one should do it because no one has the right to play god. :confused: wha? Which way is the wind blowing for ya, Mozzy1...yay OR nay?

Yay....(my opinion only though)

I won't touch this one with a 10 foot pole

I won't touch this one with a 10 foot pole

You, evidently, are much wiser than I. ;)

http://jesusandmo.net/strips/2007-10-22.jpg

Yesssssssssss

Listen...most pro life people I come across are nuts. They seem to think that all women use abortion as birth control.

Oh yeah, there's nothing more convienent than to take a day off and go get some major surgery up my vagina, please!
Come on...most women that have abortions have their reasons and DO NOT use it as birth control.

You likee Jesus and Mo? Here's more :D

http://jesusandmo.net/strips/2007-01-30.jpg

Listen...most pro life people I come across are nuts. They seem to think that all women use abortion as birth control.
Oh yeah, there's nothing more convienent than to take a day off and go get some major surgery up my vagina, please!
Come on...most women that have abortions have their reasons and DO NOT use it as birth control.

Good post.

I think it's pretty disgusting to be discussing such a personal topic like it's small talk on here considering, there's many opinions from many different voices and obviously, none of which will agree. .....

well not really disgusting, it was about some stupid cartoon of morrissey. But it be more interseting to hear of actually experiences and not have posters here waffle on about what they've read etc.


It's a woman & her family's personal decision what she has to do regarding her body & situation


There you go. The two things that are the factors in an abortion, the mother’s body and her situation. It isn't an easy thing to do physically and emotionally.


Anyway,

Or we all just start having sex when we want children! That would make a happy world:rolleyes:

Has anyone here made that decision to abort an unwanted child?

No, thought not. So why don’t all the pro lifers stop picketing clinics, (or reading stuff off the internet and posting it here) and go and adopt an unwanted child or help in an orphanage.

Listen...most pro life people I come across are nuts. They seem to think that all women use abortion as birth control.

Oh yeah, there's nothing more convienent than to take a day off and go get some major surgery up my vagina, please!
Come on...most women that have abortions have their reasons and DO NOT use it as birth control.


No they don`t-but some do.I had a friend who had three and one was very late.She most certainly did use it as a form of birth control. It was at a time i was having fertility treatment and the irony and the immorality of it struck home in a big way.One ward you`ve got babies being thrown away and in another they endeavour to save their lives at a younger and younger gestation.

Years later when she got married and wanted to have children she couldn`t because of uterine scarring.It didn`t please me but i did feel that the life you lead does indeed catch up with you.She is very bitter and deeply regrets what she did.she wasn`t a rape or incest victim,she was in her twenties and had sex without protection knowing full well she could create a life.I do believe pro-lifers are not all religious nuts.I`m a pro-lifer and i am neither religious or zealous to the degree that you do see on the TV whenever this debate is going on.

No they don`t-but some do.I had a friend who had three and one was very late.She most certainly did use it as a form of birth control. It was at a time i was having fertility treatment and the irony and the immorality of it struck home in a big way.

not a lot of women do this as a form of birth control. and if they do it over and over, they risk that scarring you spoke of.

And those born fetuses they try to save that you brought up... i see them all the time at work... and some of them i think should not be alive. Its all very artificial and science lab-ish, and the very young ones end up pretty messed up most of the time. they have to pump so much crap into them to make them live, then many of them suffer hemmorhages and brain damage and all sorts of terrible side effects.

what is in the bold really explains why you're so adamant about your views on this. I am sorry you had to go through all that trouble, it must have been harder with a dumb friend who thinks $300 abortions are easier than a $20 a month BC pill prescription. or a $7 box of condoms.

This vapid cunt of a thread is still going? http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/alien.gif

My only message is: Don't choose life, choose LOVE.

even as a soundbite, that's crap.

How can you say the argument wouldn't EXIST?

I thought it was clear but I'll explain, if men were just as susceptible to becoming pregnant as women, we wouldn't be having this discussion, there would probably be one, or several people still voicing this opinion, but it would never be a front-page issue. I'm no feminist but society has been historically patriarchial, there are still strong remnants of that running through our society, these religious fanatic types are even more so. Women did not invent this "abortion is evil" hysteria, it was some stupid white man somewhere with too much time on his hands and too little brains. If men could get pregnant abortion would be SACRED, it's so easy to look down from ones' high horse when it isn't the rest of YOUR life.

What's primarily to blame for the climate of the abortion debate in America is that the U.S. Supreme Court cut off the ability of the people to debate and work out the issue through democracy at the state and local levels. I, personally, think it would crush the religious-right if the Supreme Court over-turned Roe vs. Wade. You'd suddenly have a Republican Party scrambling to assure women they didn't really mean it when they said they would outlaw abortions.

I think you'd just have a few extra dead women for no good reason.

Morrissey may very well be pro-abortion-rights, but he most assuredly believes the vast majority of abortions are immoral. You can't really preach that it is MURDER to kill anything and everything other than a plant...except, oh, I'm a feminist so bully to you if you exterminate that human fetus! He does, after all, consider killing a slug or a spider "murder", and admires terrorist violence against scientists doing research on fish to cure cancer at Oxford University.

Morrissey is NOT pro-life. Give me a break. He has also clearly demonstrated, as you admit, even though it's a travesty of logic, he considers animal life sacred, not human life.

You attack extremist ideology and seem to separate Morrissey from extremism, yet Morrissey's extremism on animal rights has much in common with not just pro-lifers but the most hardcore and radical pro-lifers who advocate the bombings of abortion clinics.

I garuntee you will NEVER see those crowds hanging together, one are left wing retards, the other are right wing retards. I didn't say Morrissey shouldn't be associated with extremist ideology, just this idiotic, far RIGHT extremism, that is the antithesis of what he is.I find it very offensive that someone would use him to promote a right wing agenda he most certainly never would endorse.

As for me, I don't feel much moral concern about abortions because I don't believe in a human soul. Double the number of fetuses killed and I'll shrug, maybe even smile (it probably would lower the crime rate,

Theres a book called Freakonomics" that presents a pretty ironclad case for this.

I won't call a baby fully human until they've been out of the womb and out in the world for a bit.

For once we're in total agreement.

But I do think the cartoon that started this thread is very much in line with Morrissey's moral viewpoint (except he might feel the word "human" is speciesist).

Not remotely, it's on the other side of the political spectrum. Also, even if he is religious, of which I'm not totally convinced, he's not that sort of conservative christian in the slightest.

And if you're a silly woman who is aborting a baby because you weren't smart enough to use birth control, you'd better hope I'm right about there being no human soul or else you're going straight to the Lake of Fire. Fortunately, I'm male and cannot get pregnant.

You prove my original point.

I've read somewhere that Morrissey took part in pro-life demonstration in Manchester in the late seventies. Does anybody know if that's true?