View Full Version : The Moz/Smiths Top 100, Part 206: TROUBLE LOVES ME


Houdini
December 15, 2007, 06:15 PM
Let's compile our own Morrissey/Smiths Top 100 by rating all 232 Moz/Smiths-songs.

Song for Today: TROUBLE LOVES ME

Voting should be something along these lines:
10: Perfection
9: Near perfect, brilliant
8: Really good Moz/Smiths song
7: Good Moz/Smiths song
6: OK, Nothing special
5: Uninspired
4: Poor
3: Bad
2: Should never have been released
1: He/They should be ashamed

The songs so far (voting is still open, click to vote):

Part 205: Tony The Pony (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=81527)
Part 204: Tomorrow (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=81464)
Part 203: To Me You Are A Work Of Art (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=81426)
Part 202: This Night Has Opened My Eyes (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=81386)
Part 201: This Is Not Your Country (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=81341)
Part 200: This Charming Man (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=81281)
Part 199: These Things Take Time (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=81236)
Part 198: There's A Place In Hell For Me And My Friends (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=81193)
Part 197: There Speaks A True Friend (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=81156)
Part 196: There Is A Light That Never Goes Out (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=81117)
Part 195: The Youngest Was The Most Loved (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=81083)
Part 194: The World Is Full Of Crashing Bores (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=81052)
Part 193: The Teachers Are Afraid Of The Pupils (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=80995)
Part 192: The Queen Is Dead (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=80923)
Part 191: The Public Image (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=80811)
Part 190: The Ordinary Boys (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=80771)
Part 189: The Operation (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=80745)
Part 188: The Never Played Symphonies (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=80634)
Part 187: The National Front Disco (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=80545)
Part 186: The More You Ignore Me, The Closer I Get (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=80496)
Part 185: The Loop (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=80450)
Part 184: The Lazy Sunbathers (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=80409)
Part 183: The Last Of The Famous International Playboys (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=80300)
Part 182: The Headmaster Ritual (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=80348)
Part 181: The Harsh Truth Of The Camera Eye (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=80260)
Part 180: The Hand That Rocks The Cradle (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=80225)
Part 179: The Father Who Must Be Killed (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=80203)
Part 178: The Edges Are No Longer Parallel (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=80143)
Part 177: The Draize Train (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=80111)
Part 176: The Boy With The Thorn In His Side (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=80071)
Part 175: The Boy Racer (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=80040)
Part 174: That's Entertainment (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=80004)
Part 173: That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=79972)
Part 172: Teenage Dad On His Estate (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=79931)
Part 171: Sweetie Pie
Part 170: Sweet And Tender Hooligan (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=79759)
Part 169: Sunny (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=79710)
Part 168: Suffer Little Children
Part 167: Suedehead (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=79575)
Part 166: Such A Little Thing Makes Such A Big Difference
Part 165: Stretch Out And Wait
Part 164: Stop Me If You Think You've Heard This One Before (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=79377)
Part 163: Still Ill (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=79252)
Part 162: Spring-Heeled Jim
Part 161: Speedway (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=79159)
Part 160: Southpaw
Part 159: Sorrow Will Come In The End
Part 158: Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others
Part 157: Slum Mums
Part 156: Skin Storm
Part 155: Sister, I'm A Poet (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=78857)
Part 154: Sing Your Life
Part 153: Shoplifters Of The World Unite (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=78770)
Part 152: Sheila Take A Bow
Part 151: Shakespeare's Sister
Part 150: Seasick Yet Still Docked (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=78609)
Part 149: Satan Rejected My Soul
Part 148: Rusholme Ruffians
Part 147: Rubber Ring (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=78444)
Part 146: Roy's Keen
Part 145: Reel Around The Fountain (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=78386)
Part 144: Redondo Beach
Part 143: Reader Meet Author
Part 142: Pretty Girls Make Graves
Part 141: Pregnant For The Last Time
Part 140: Please Please Please Let Me Get What I Want (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=78163)
Part 139: Piccadilly Palare
Part 138: Pashernate Love
Part 137: Papa Jack
Part 136: Panic (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=78042)
Part 135: Paint A Vulgar Picture (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=77981)
Part 134: Our Frank
Part 133: Ouija Board, Ouija Board
Part 132: Oscillate Wildly
Part 131: On The Streets I Ran
Part 130: Oh Well, I'll Never Learn
Part 129: Nowhere Fast
Part 128: Now My Heart Is Full (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=77664)
Part 127: Now I Am A Was
Part 126: November Spawned A Monster (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=77601)
Part 125: Noise Is The Best Revenge
Part 124: Nobody Loves Us (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=77524)
Part 123: No One Can Hold A Candle To You
Part 122: Never Had No One Ever
Part 121: My Love Life
Part 120: My Life Is A Succession Of People Saying Goodbye
Part 119: Mute Witness
Part 118: Munich Air Disaster 1958
Part 117: Moonriver
Part 116: Money Changes Everything
Part 115: Miserable Lie
Part 114: Michael's Bones
Part 113: Mexico
Part 112: Meat Is Murder
Part 111: Margaret On The Guillotine
Part 110: Maladjusted
Part 109: Lucky Lisp
Part 108: Lost
Part 107: London
Part 106: Little Man, What Now?
Part 105: Lifeguard Sleeping, Girl Drowning
Part 104: Life Is A Pigsty (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=76672)
Part 103: Let the Right One Slip In
Part 102: Let Me Kiss You
Part 101: Late Night, Maudlin Street (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=76554)
Part 100: Last Night I Dreamt That Somebody Loved Me (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=76504),
(follow this link for first 99 songs).

Best performing songs, parts 1 to 99 (click to vote):

Part 96: Jack The Ripper (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=76326)
Part 93: Irish Blood, English Heart (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=76176)
Part 88: I've Changed My Plea To Guilty (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=75911)
Part 83: I Won't Share You (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=75641)
Part 81: I Want The One I Can't Have (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=75545)
Part 77: I Know It's Over (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=75303)
Part 65: How Soon Is Now? (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=74712)
Part 61: Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=74491)
Part 57: Handsome Devil (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=74213)
Part 56: Hand In Glove (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=74150)
Part 55: Half A Person (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=74076)
Part 54: Hairdresser On Fire (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=74018)
Part 50: Girlfriend In A Coma (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=73727)
Part 42: First Of The Gang To Die (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=73179)
Part 41: Everyday Is Like Sunday (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=73130)
Part 36: Disappointed (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=72819)
Part 26: Cemetry Gates (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=72311)
Part 21: Bigmouth Strikes Again (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=72045)
Part 14: Asleep (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=71665)
Part 1: A Rush And A Push And The Land Is Ours (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=71058)

Kewpie
December 15, 2007, 06:39 PM
I Love this song!

It has to be played at my funeral.

Jose
December 15, 2007, 06:51 PM
Oh my god, what a tearjerker this is! :(
I love love love this song.

sweet and tender hooligan
December 15, 2007, 06:56 PM
I've recently become obsessed with this song. I hadn't heard it that much and it came on my mp3 player once on random when i was in the middle of maths (listening to the teacher not Morrissey of course:rolleyes:)and i completly fell in love with it. My fave bit is :

"Show me a barrel and watch me scrape it
Faced with the music, as always I'll face it
In the half-light
So English, frowning
Then at midnight I
Can't get you out of my head"

Corrissey
December 15, 2007, 07:12 PM
"Then at midnight I, can't get you out of my head"
I love the crashing cymbals/drums on that line

I adore this song -it's an easy 10 and then some. Gorgeous lyrics and with the change in music, it's like 3 songs in 1. The balance seems and is serene! :) His voice is pure butter on this track--I love his vibrato on the end of just about every note.

"On the flesh rampage" and "Ready with ready-wit" are some classic Moz lines. And the subtle, slight 'ahead of note' word 'two' at "...Trouble needs me, Two things... *ugh* love that

nugz
December 15, 2007, 07:44 PM
I knew everyone was gonna go gah gah over this song. honestly, i dont get it. i guess this is one of those songs that everyone loves, but for some reason, i dont really grasp the greatness of it. i dont hate it, but sometimes it actually kinda bores me. :o

Uncleskinny
December 15, 2007, 07:49 PM
I knew everyone was gonna go gah gah over this song. honestly, i dont get it. i guess this is one of those songs that everyone loves, but for some reason, i dont really grasp the greatness of it. i dont hate it, but sometimes it actually kinda bores me. :o

To quote Homer Simpson - "It's good.....but it's not great."

Peter

patten
December 15, 2007, 07:55 PM
Oh yes it is great. A perfect 10.
Made me cry when he played it live last year.

essential
December 15, 2007, 08:07 PM
"Oh please fulfill me - otherwise kill me". This track reduced me to tears at every 2006 gig I went to. My hubby doesn't get it either and just thinks it drags on and on but it is about my favourite track of all. It is only spoiled by the awful Papa Jack following it on Maladjusted.

Sonia
December 15, 2007, 08:33 PM
Undoubtedly one of the best songs he wrote.
In my top 5... maybe even top 3 of all time...

BillyBudd
December 15, 2007, 09:50 PM
A modern classic. This is one of his finest songs ever and has my favourite Morrissey moment ever in it ("Then at midnight I, can't get you out of my head").

Vauxhall95
December 15, 2007, 10:11 PM
A modern classic. This is one of his finest songs ever and has my favourite Morrissey moment ever in it ("Then at midnight I, can't get you out of my head").

Would you rate it ahead of "Nobody Loves Us?"

Just curious...

Vauxhall95
December 15, 2007, 10:19 PM
I love the crashing cymbals/drums on that line

I adore this song -it's an easy 10 and then some. Gorgeous lyrics and with the change in music, it's like 3 songs in 1. The balance seems and is serene! :) His voice is pure butter on this track--I love his vibrato on the end of just about every note.

"On the flesh rampage" and "Ready with ready-wit" are some classic Moz lines. And the subtle, slight 'ahead of note' word 'two' at "...Trouble needs me, Two things... *ugh* love that

Corrissey, I love it when you are reduced to a primal *ugh*. :)

I really need my quiff to stop doing the thinking for me. Anyway, back to the song. When Maladjusted came out, I would have given "Trouble Loves Me" a solid 9+, great song, very "English" to me as an American which I find enormously charming. However, after YATQ's "Come Back to Camden" and ROTT's "Dear God Please Help Me," I think they are all (dare I type it) formulaic! Which is not to say it's a bad formula. To me, they form an awesome trilogy of songs.

The song just seemed more special to me in 1997 then it does now because of the aforementioned releases. I give it a strong eight, ever so close to nine, *ugh*.:)

Radio Berlin
December 15, 2007, 11:03 PM
I have to vote 10 again. It's beautiful & perfect. And it's even better live!

Radio Berlin
December 15, 2007, 11:04 PM
ready with ready-wit :)

EPbabe
December 15, 2007, 11:57 PM
My absolute favourite: "please fulfill me-otherwise kill me" or "so console me -otherwise hold me" are the most beautiful parts. Actually, it's quite hard to chose my favourite part, it's a wonderful song. Each time I hear it, I have to listen to it again and again....

Mel_Torment
December 16, 2007, 12:25 AM
Sheer perfection!

I don't often cry, but this song makes me cry. And yet it makes me smile, too. It's the quintessential Morrissey song -- poignant, witty, funny, reproachful...

I have two especially fond memories of this song that stand out especially: I heard this song on an advance bootlegged copy of Maladjusted on a cassette tape. I had this shitty boombox that used to eat cassette tapes, the sound from the boombox on the best of days was tinny, and the bootleg only produced sound on one side, the left, I think it was. Whereas the other songs left me unmoved, Trubble --despite the crap sound quality-- had me crying a stream of tears that day.

In '97 Morrissey took me by complete surprise when he took to the stage one night and straight away announced, "Hello, my name is Trouble!". I had been wearing a nametag that had the pre-printed "Hello, my name is ______" and I filled in "Trouble" as my name 'cos I luvs Morrissey. ;) How did he know? I was sure that tag was too small to be seen by him from where I had been standing at the previous gigs. Maybe it was a coincidence, but it was very odd and shocked the hell out of me. Then later that night he also talked directly to me. Keep in mind that this was back in the day when he was not very chatty during concerts. He would usually just say thank you. :)

vicarinatutugal
December 16, 2007, 12:29 AM
Sheer perfection!

I don't often cry, but this song makes me cry. And yet it makes me smile, too. It's the quintessential Morrissey song -- poignant, witty, funny, reproachful...

I have two especially fond memories of this song that stand out especially: I heard this song on an advance bootlegged copy of Maladjusted on a cassette tape. I had this shitty boombox that used to eat cassette tapes, the sound from the boombox on the best of days was tinny, and the bootleg only produced sound on one side, the left, I think it was. Whereas the other songs left me unmoved, Trubble --despite the crap sound quality-- had me crying a stream of tears that day.

In '97 Morrissey took me by complete surprise when he took to the stage one night and straight away announced, "Hello, my name is Trouble!". I had been wearing a nametag that had the pre-printed "Hello, my name is ______" and I filled in "Trouble" as my name 'cos I luvs Morrissey. ;) How did he know? I was sure that tag was too small to be seen by him from where I had been standing at the previous gigs. Maybe it was a coincidence, but it was very odd and shocked the hell out of me. Then later that night he also talked directly to me. Keep in mind that this was back in the day when he was not very chatty during concerts. He would usually just say thank you. :)

awww *lump in throat* You have the best stories to tell Mel :)

Mel_Torment
December 16, 2007, 04:03 AM
awww *lump in throat* You have the best stories to tell Mel :)

Awww...thanks!

oscillate wildly
December 16, 2007, 05:11 AM
10!
i am listening to it as i type.

and i used to think he said "reddi whip" hahaha. :D

Not Right in the Head
December 16, 2007, 05:32 AM
and i used to think he said "reddi whip" hahaha. :D

Dear Santa,

Please have your most Photoshop-leet elf put together a pic of Moz holding a can of Reddi-Wip, preferably in some lewd and/or suggestive way. The possibilities are endless.* That's all I want; I've been pretty good this year. I'll even leave you an extra cookie.

Thanks so much,

NRitH

* If your elf needs inspiration, a Google Image Search for "Reddi-Wip" yields some very interesting results, especially with Safe Search turned off.

celibate
December 16, 2007, 06:26 AM
an 8

one of the best songs on Maladjusted, this is one of the likes of 'Camden
and Pigsty',... a hearbreaking balladlike song
Minor point is that the music is average, and thats why I gave it only
an 8, cause Morrissey's voice and lyrics are fine as always

go to Soho
go wast[ed] in the wrong hands

lazy_dyke
December 16, 2007, 08:49 AM
one of my favourite songs too
but surely it's:
"go to waste in the wrong arms"
i felt like this once

Anais Pin
December 16, 2007, 09:47 AM
My very favourite...its beautiful and everything we love about the man...sadly I have never seen him sing it...please please please sing it at the Roundhouse on the Friday Morrissey...*closes eyes and wishes hard*

BillyBudd
December 16, 2007, 12:02 PM
Would you rate it ahead of "Nobody Loves Us?"

Just curious...
Yes I would, though Nobody Loves Us is also one of his finest songs. Trouble Loves me is a tad more well-rounded and elegant in my opinion.

the judge
December 16, 2007, 01:08 PM
Just GREAT.
10

lightupvirginmary
December 16, 2007, 03:41 PM
Anyone who's voted this anything less than 10 should be taken out and shot. I'm volunteering.

Comtesse
December 16, 2007, 04:15 PM
This song sends chills down my spine everytime I hear it. The lyrics are amazing and have actual SUBSTANCE, something sorely lacking from so many of Moz's recent creations. ("On the flesh rampage - at your age" is my favorite line.) 10

treygar
December 16, 2007, 05:00 PM
top five song - don't understand why the dear nugzie is bored by it.

In the unofficial ever changing treygar rankings it has always been a top 10 song...

1. Tomorrow
2. Life is a Pigsty
3. Seasick, Yet Still Docked
4. Speedway
5. Trouble Loves Me

dizzywhore_1804
December 16, 2007, 05:36 PM
Got me through so many tough times.

:)

Vauxhall95
December 16, 2007, 06:24 PM
Dear Santa,

Please have your most Photoshop-leet elf put together a pic of Moz holding a can of Reddi-Wip, preferably in some lewd and/or suggestive way. The possibilities are endless.* That's all I want; I've been pretty good this year. I'll even leave you an extra cookie.

Thanks so much,

NRitH

* If your elf needs inspiration, a Google Image Search for "Reddi-Wip" yields some very interesting results, especially with Safe Search turned off.

Nice, and no, I'm not checking Google images (I just ate).:)

meat_is_murder19
December 16, 2007, 06:26 PM
dont like it to boring almost feel asleep listening to it

jeniphir
December 16, 2007, 07:52 PM
A solid 8. The lyric is not his most inspired, but the mere phrase, "Trouble Loves Me" is enough to forgive any other shortcomings. No doubt one of the most-oft-tattooed quotes, judging by what I've seen out there in the world. . .

ETA: REDDI-WHIP! (http://reddiwip.ytmnd.com/)

--jeniphir

Not Right in the Head
December 16, 2007, 08:21 PM
A solid 8. The lyric is not his most inspired, but the mere phrase, "Trouble Loves Me" is enough to forgive any other shortcomings. No doubt one of the most-oft-tattooed quotes, judging by what I've seen out there in the world. . .

ETA: REDDI-WHIP! (http://reddiwip.ytmnd.com/)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Did you just post that, or was it already there? Browsing YTMND takes patience that I just don't have.

Young And Alive
December 16, 2007, 08:29 PM
It is only spoiled by the awful Papa Jack following it on Maladjusted.

True. I think Lost would have been much better in following Trouble Loves Me.

DipYourHeadInAVatOfGhee
December 17, 2007, 09:56 AM
Great tune, especially the 'Just when it seems like everything's evened out...' part.

Would be a 10 from me but I think the chorus is just a tad bland, musically. But overall it's a really beautiful song.

Well I Wonder
December 17, 2007, 12:02 PM
I love this song. One of the best on Maladjusted.

jeniphir
December 17, 2007, 04:26 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Did you just post that, or was it already there? Browsing YTMND takes patience that I just don't have.

Someone posted here on -solo before, and I remembered it, so just did some googling and voila.

--jeniphir

starless
December 18, 2007, 10:02 PM
10
Best Morrissey song in my books.

Compadre
January 22, 2008, 01:47 PM
Then later that night he also talked directly to me. Keep in mind that this was back in the day when he was not very chatty during concerts. He would usually just say thank you. :)


Mel, I read this post from the link you posted from your Roundhouse review. I've enjoyed all your reviews from the tour this past year. You are one lucky gal - it seems the Man has a fondness for you, always greeting you/passing the mic (well sometimes teasing with it I guess.) This is awesome. Thanks for sharing it here -- I live your joy vicariously.