So yeah, I'm not allowed to go to the Royal Oak show

[thewarroom]

Mother says that I can't handle driving in the traffic in MI. It's "not safe" for me to drive I guess. Then I asked if it would be preferable if I got a ride from someone on solo, and then she called all of you an awful lot of dirty names. She's been watching enough episodes of Dr. Phil, apparently, to realize that all of you that post online are doing little more than "trolling for sex," as she puts it on occassion.

Hope you all have a wonderful time. Think of me when you're shaking his hand from the front row.:(

[Skinner]

I'm really sorry to hear that. Perhaps give it some thought of someone you could go with etc, and present a plan to her later when she's in a good mood.

But yeah, that's just another reason why I HATE Dr. Phil. What a con artist. And Americans are so stupid they actually like him. Wtf!

[WinkWink]

Mother says that I can't handle driving in the traffic in MI. It's "not safe." Apparently she's forgotten that i'm no longer 6 years old and am capable of driving a vehicle along a highway for an hour. Then I asked if it would be preferable if I got a ride from someone on solo, and then she called all of you an awful lot of dirty names. She's been watching enough episodes of Dr. Phil, apparently, to realize that all of you that post online are doing little more than "trolling for sex," as she put it.

Hope you all have a wonderful time. Think of me when you're shaking his hand from the front row.:(

i was once trolling for sex but Math Tender doesn't come here anymore.

tell her this...show her on google maps too...

you are going straight up on 75 i take it. Well, 75 goes through Royal oak. the venue is two blocks away from 75...Royal Oak is a suburb of Detorit...it is not in Detroit. it is an expensive suburb full of yuppies...very safe.

if she is afraid of traffic (too many cars) or something, remind her there is less traffic than ever in Detroit since so many people are leaving Detroit and continue to leave Detroit as the Big Three make their layoffs. there will be traffic on 75 during rush hour though...but if you travel during the day, and make it before 4pm or so, you should be very ok. even so traffic is hardly ever bad unless there is construction or an accident (obviously).

[thewarroom]

I'm really sorry to hear that. Perhaps give it some thought of someone you could go with etc, and present a plan to her later when she's in a good mood.

But yeah, that's just another reason why I HATE Dr. Phil. What a con artist. And Americans are so stupid they actually like him. Wtf!

I wish I personally knew other Moz fans, but I don't. I'm the only one I know of.

What's so funny is that when I asked her why she felt this way about "internet people," she said that "she watches the news and knows all about what goes on online." As someone who rarely uses the computer much less goes on online, that's the most uninformed opinion i can possibly imagine.

(on another note, all of the people on these shows that get "picked up for sex" are young girls, whereas I'm 6-foot-3, 180 pounds, and very hairy and male. :D)

[WinkWink]

you are 18 and going to college...time to show here who is boss of your life. just do it in a way she won't cut off funding. that's a backfire you don't want to get into. :eek:

[WinkWink]

I wish I personally knew other Moz fans, but I don't. I'm the only one I know of.

What's so funny is that when I asked her why she felt this way about "internet people," she said that "she watches the news and knows all about what goes on online." As someone who never uses the computer much less goes on online, that's the most uninformed opinion i can possibly imagine.

(on another note, all of the people on these shows that get "picked up for sex" are young girls, whereas I'm 6-foot-3, 180 pounds, and very hairy. :D)

is your mother an evangelical christian? they tend to have a warped view of everything and make great generalizations about everything.

[thewarroom]

i was once trolling for sex but Math Tender doesn't come here anymore.

tell her this...show her on google maps too...

you are going straight up on 75 i take it. Well, 75 goes through Royal oak. the venue is two blocks away from 75...Royal Oak is a suburb of Detorit...it is not in Detroit. it is an expensive suburb full of yuppies...very safe.

if she is afraid of traffic (too many cars) or something, remind her there is less traffic than ever in Detroit since so many people are leaving Detroit and continue to leave Detroit as the Big Three make their layoffs. there will be traffic on 75 during rush hour though...but if you travel during the day, and make it before 4pm or so, you should be very ok. even so traffic is hardly ever bad unless there is construction or an accident (obviously).

:D

Ya know, i did use the "during the day" defense and also pointed out how little crime there is in RO. She says she's "very sorry" i can't go but it's just "not safe."

I love my mom very much, but she's REALLY pissing me off with all this...

[thewarroom]

you are 18 and going to college...time to show here who is boss of your life. just do it in a way she won't cut off funding. that's a backfire you don't want to get into. :eek:

Yeah, I'm not sure there is a way to do that...:D

is your mother an evangelical christian? they tend to have a warped view of everything and make great generalizations about everything.

No, far from it. She's agnostic like the rest of our family. She does make quite a few generalizations tho...

[PregnantForTheLastTime]

Not safe? For a big guy like you? Oh, that's rich. I will be your chaperone. I am a bonafide mom. And I'm really, really not trolling for sex here, or anywhere else on the internet.

Seriously- I will look after you. Not like you need it.

Edited to add: I can prove who I am, too, just not on the forum.

[WinkWink]

your drive up 75 is so easy and straight, it's really laughable.

you shouldn't give up just yet. you're mom is having a bad day probably.

[thewarroom]

your drive up 75 is so easy and straight, it's really laughable.

you shouldn't give up just yet. you're mom is having a bad day probably.

We've been talking. She says that, regardless of all the facts that I've presented to her, she cannot in good conscience let me go. The farthest i've driven is to Ann Arbor (where I'll be on Saturday for the UM-Oregon football game), and she still thinks I'm not ready. I've given up. In all reality, it's really not worth burning a whole lot of bridges with my own family in order to go to a concert. Even a Morrissey one.

i have to give mom a lot of credit; usually she caves in and ends up doing what i want. But she's stuck to her guns and done what she thinks is right. That's a very admirable thing.

Of course, i'm still dying to go to the show...:(

[The Seeker of Good Songs]

is your mother an evangelical christian? they tend to have a warped view of everything and make great generalizations about everything.

we do? That's news to me.

If you read what you wrote, well nevermind....generalizations...

[billybrown]

the area and crowd at the u of m game this weekend is gonna be more rowdy than whats going to go on in royal oak, and shit royal oak is only maybe 20 minutes further than ann arbor. don't give up yet this is morrissey's last tour for awile. if you can pay for your own ticket, and use your own vehicle just go if you're 18.

[PregnantForTheLastTime]

Just get yourself a ticket and you'll find a way to go. It's almost two months away. A lot can change. Maybe she's just in a bad mood. My mom gets irrationally worried about me for no good reason sometimes- and I'm in my thirties, married with two kids, and I haven't lived with my parents since I turned 17. Yet, still she worries.

[WinkWink]

we do? That's news to me.

If you read what you wrote, well nevermind....generalizations...

lol...yeah. i generalize all the time.

but come on, evangelicals are crazy...maybe not all? for example the evangelical Zionists who support Israel...regardless...simply because they want all the Jews to go there in order to bring on the second coming of Christ.

[SparkleBoy]

This looks like one of those times you'll have to lie about where you are going and then deal with the consequences later! DO IT!!

[Depeche609]

Mother says that I can't handle driving in the traffic in MI. It's "not safe" for me to drive I guess. Then I asked if it would be preferable if I got a ride from someone on solo, and then she called all of you an awful lot of dirty names. She's been watching enough episodes of Dr. Phil, apparently, to realize that all of you that post online are doing little more than "trolling for sex," as she puts it on occassion.

Hope you all have a wonderful time. Think of me when you're shaking his hand from the front row.:(

Well, I agree with you mom about the driving. I'm 26 and I know that some areas are even to unsafe for ME to drive (North Jersey, NYC, Philly) and also about the unsafeness of message boards.
Can you get another ticket so a relative can go with you?

[WinkWink]

Well, I agree with you mom about the driving. I'm 26 and I know that some areas are even to unsafe for ME to drive (North Jersey, NYC, Philly) and also about the unsafeness of message boards.
Can you get another ticket so a relative can go with you?

yes but warroom will not be driving in unsafe areas.

[Sharron Needles]

Trolling for sex??! That's incredible! Just tell her she's incorrect because most of us are actually trolling for sex and drugs:eek:. No, but really...when my parents said I couldn't go all the way to Milwaukee to see him in 92, I just kind of, ran away for a bit. In fact, I "ran away" a few times. Your mother would probably say I'm a bad influence, but how does she feel about the bus at least?

[Mel_Torment]

Mother says that I can't handle driving in the traffic in MI. It's "not safe" for me to drive I guess. Then I asked if it would be preferable if I got a ride from someone on solo, and then she called all of you an awful lot of dirty names. She's been watching enough episodes of Dr. Phil, apparently, to realize that all of you that post online are doing little more than "trolling for sex," as she puts it on occassion.

Hope you all have a wonderful time. Think of me when you're shaking his hand from the front row.:(

As for being called an awful lot of dirty names, well, I'm flattered.

You're 18 or older, right? This is incredible. Dr. Phil is a pompous windbag.

If she really believes that we're all trolling YOU for sex on this forum, why does she still let her precious little underage man-child still wank around here? :p

Sorry, it's just so absurd. But no one must feel that more keenly than you, eh, Warrie? Lo siento, man. How about if you take her to the show again?

How did she take it when Mozzer sang,

But when you're tied to your mother's apron
No one talks about castration.

?

[thewarroom]

As for being called an awful lot of dirty names, well, I'm flattered.

You're 18 or older, right? This is incredible. Dr. Phil is a pompous windbag.

If she really believes that we're all trolling YOU for sex on this forum, why does she still let her precious little underage man-child still wank around here? :p

Sorry, it's just so absurd. But no one must feel that more keenly than you, eh, Warrie? Lo siento, man. How about if you take her to the show again?

How did she take it when Mozzer sang,

But when you're tied to your mother's apron
No one talks about castration.

?

I doubt she noticed that line, Mel. :p She was busy not enjoying the flashing lights and trying to see over the tall person in front of her. I don't think she has problems with you guys per se, its just that she watches TV programs that lead her to believe that no one online is who they say they are. It's paranoia at its finest, really.

She really is only concerned about the me-driving-on-I75 thing. And i'm 18, have been for several months. I'd love to take her to the show but:

a) there's no way that she'd do well in a GA setting
and
b) she herself is scared out of her wits about driving the same stretch of road (no joke).

I'm sorry too. :)

[Esmerelda]

i sympathize with you warroom, really i do. in my case, i'm from the Detroit suburbs, i live & work in Detroit (yes, the city proper) and my mom was afraid to drive on the freeways & to go into the city...thus she severely restricted what/where i could and could not do/go, because of what SHE was afraid of. i have been in your shoes many times. i would say don't jeopardize your school funding, as that is your ticket OUT.

the City of Detroit has a fearsome reputation but the crime is nothing like as bad as some people say, particularly in a totally gentrified area like Royal Oak. no....i do not carry a gun ;)

[Harsh Truth]

what about hiring a car service? Granted, it would probably be 2 or 3 times the cost of the ticket, but I suppose you'd be safe.....

[Cassius]

Well, as much as it sucks, I can understand your mom wanting you to be safe. I'd say that you should go anyways, but if you were to be involved in some horrific pile up I'd feel very guilty.

[JoyDiv007]

That really sucks are you sure there's no way she'll let you go. Could you go without her knowing it. Are you living in a dorm?? There has to be a way for you to attend.

[WinkWink]

i sympathize with you warroom, really i do. in my case, i'm from the Detroit suburbs, i live & work in Detroit (yes, the city proper) and my mom was afraid to drive on the freeways & to go into the city...thus she severely restricted what/where i could and could not do/go, because of what SHE was afraid of. i have been in your shoes many times. i would say don't jeopardize your school funding, as that is your ticket OUT.

the City of Detroit has a fearsome reputation but the crime is nothing like as bad as some people say, particularly in a totally gentrified area like Royal Oak. no....i do not carry a gun ;)

exactly...detroit has a high crime rate but if you take out s couple high crime neighborhoods, it'd no that bad...warroom will not be close to those neighborhoods.

i've been robbed twice...once in ann arbor (where warroom was allowed to go) and once in the NYC subway...never in detroit or any suburb close to it.

[WinkWink]

royal oak is not gentrified...it was always yuppie and expensive.. slight difference

[thewarroom]

exactly...detroit has a high crime rate but if you take out s couple high crime neighborhoods, it'd no that bad...warroom will not be close to those neighborhoods.

i've been robbed twice...once in ann arbor (where warroom was allowed to go) and once in the NYC subway...never in detroit or any suburb close to it.

I'm allowed to go to A2 cuz that's where our family is from. We've never had any bad experiences there.

[PregnantForTheLastTime]

Warrie, is there a football game or any other event in A2 that night? Something you would meet up with friends for? Friends who would swearz you were with them all night when you really kept driving another 45 minutes?

Listen to me, I'm some boys' mom, trying to talk another Mom's boy into disobeying her.

My best fair advice is to wait, secretly get a ticket, and be a really good boy. Then ask your mom later. She'll cave. We always do.

[nugz]

i may have missed it somewhere, but warrie, do you have your own car? and when you go out does your mom keep close tabs on you, like call you every hour on the hour? if not, and you have your own transportation, cant you just be like "hey, im going to see a friend, i'll be back in a few hours." cuz thats not really a lie, cuz Morrissey is your friend. :D

[Esmerelda]

royal oak is not gentrified...it was always yuppie and expensive.. slight difference

i see what you mean, it was never burned out or anything. But when i was in high school it was not fashionable or expensive at all, very sleepy, like Ferndale was 10 years ago. no expensive lofts or grody chain restaurants.....i was in high school 15 years ago though. :)

i have never experienced any sort of crime in Detroit. not even a harsh word here in "Murder City"...when i lived in Lansing briefly, i had been there 6 months when somebody broke into my car, took my stereo, my bag phone (those were the days eh?) and my MIX TAPES :eek: still haven't been able to recreate all of them. and some of the people in Lansing acted like they were afraid of me when they found out where i was from...not that i dissuaded them;)

[NowIsn'tSoonEnough]

I know this might not sound like the most fun thing in the world for an eighteen year old, but is your mom fun? My mother is hellish when we're at home, but if I get her away she's a blast.

Maybe...ask her to go to the concert with you? At a Morrissey concert, there are no 'oh my God, he's with XXX' moments...it's all very congenial and chill. Unless you're at the front with the drunk guy rushing the stage; then you have people like me throwing them down and stepping on them :)

Just an idea...

[ringchase]

sorry that your unable to come.

[thewarroom]

I know this might not sound like the most fun thing in the world for an eighteen year old, but is your mom fun? My mother is hellish when we're at home, but if I get her away she's a blast.

Maybe...ask her to go to the concert with you? At a Morrissey concert, there are no 'oh my God, he's with XXX' moments...it's all very congenial and chill. Unless you're at the front with the drunk guy rushing the stage; then you have people like me throwing them down and stepping on them :)

Just an idea...

She is. I actually took her to the Ann Arbor show on the last tour, and she had a blast! The problem is, she herself is not safe driving on I75 for whatever reason, i think she assumes that all of that auto plant traffic is still and won't listen to reason.

I'd definitely be buying a GA ticket, and with her being 5'2, I don't think that their be much point in her going with me anyway. ;)

[thewarroom]

Warrie, is there a football game or any other event in A2 that night? Something you would meet up with friends for? Friends who would swearz you were with them all night when you really kept driving another 45 minutes?

Listen to me, I'm some boys' mom, trying to talk another Mom's boy into disobeying her.

My best fair advice is to wait, secretly get a ticket, and be a really good boy. Then ask your mom later. She'll cave. We always do.

Therein lies the other problem. I am a sports writer for my local paper. The concert is on Friday nite. All high-school football games are played on Friday nite, and my job with the paper is too almost exclusively cover friday night football. Mom would become suspicious if there was no article by Mason Lowry on Saturday morning. :o

[PregnantForTheLastTime]

Warrie, could you come to Merrillville on Saturday? Not sure where in OH you live, but it's very easy to find on 80/94 at 65. What if I had an extra ticket? A really good one?

Oh, darn... I just did some Googling and realized that would be a long drive for you... but the offer's open.

[Musings]

No, but really...when my parents said I couldn't go all the way to Milwaukee to see him in 92, I just kind of, ran away for a bit. In fact, I "ran away" a few times.

sharron, you are awesome; what a cool story. :) A true fan, you are.

I LOVE stories like that. they make me believe, however briefly :D

[WinkWink]

Therein lies the other problem. I am a sports writer for my local paper. The concert is on Friday nite. All high-school football games are played on Friday nite, and my job with the paper is too almost exclusively cover friday night football. Mom would become suspicious if there was no article by Mason Lowry on Saturday morning. :o

you are a writer for a newspaper...think how ridiculous you would sound if you told your readers, "my mommy doesn't allow me to drive up to Detroit." i mean really... i've seen mama-boys before...my dad is one...your life is going to suck. be an adult and go.

[Sharron Needles]

sharron, you are awesome; what a cool story. :) A true fan, you are.

I LOVE stories like that. they make me believe, however briefly :D

Yeah, I mean why not? She's 18. They can't like call the cops really. She could just leave a note. And if they do call the cops, it helps and buys you time if you are out of state.;)

[WinkWink]

Yeah, I mean why not? She's 18. They can't like call the cops really. She could just leave a note. And if they do call the cops, it helps and buys you time if you are out of state.;)

i think she's a he.

[Dave]

(on another note, all of the people on these shows that get "picked up for sex" are young girls, whereas I'm 6-foot-3, 180 pounds, and very hairy and male. :D)

You could still get lucky. :eek::p

I like the Norman Bates impression by the way. Super creeped me out. :D Put Mother in the fruit cellar and go find some trashy girl.

[Sharron Needles]

i think she's a he.

Oh!!!! Then what the hell's this thread for???!:mad:

[WinkWink]

Oh!!!! Then what the hell's this thread for???!:mad:

he's also over 6 feet tall.

[arizonalovesyou]

Well, I'm driving 9 hours for this show only for the simple fact it's a GA show. I hope you can make it man, I'm not driving on the 1-75 to get there, but I did drive on it back in '04 to see Springsteen in Detroit. Good times.

[MrStarbuck]

Mother says that I can't handle driving in the traffic in MI. It's "not safe" for me to drive I guess. Then I asked if it would be preferable if I got a ride from someone on solo, and then she called all of you an awful lot of dirty names. She's been watching enough episodes of Dr. Phil, apparently, to realize that all of you that post online are doing little more than "trolling for sex," as she puts it on occassion.

Hope you all have a wonderful time. Think of me when you're shaking his hand from the front row.:(

Dude, you're an 18-year-old MAN and you aren't going to go see a concert you are dying to see because your mommy won't let you go? And you know she's being completely unreasonable? Grow a pair and go to the show.