Morrissey in disguise

[Rocco Sifredi]

I am quite new in this forum world, so stop me if you're read this one before...
I was wondering if there were issues in the past of people thinking that a certain member was indeed HIM (Moz, not the band) or somebody from The Smiths.

Is anybody thinking something like that even now?
Any theory?

Bye RS

[Mozzarella]

I am quite new in this forum world, so stop me if you're read this one before...
I was wondering if there were issues in the past of people thinking that a certain member was indeed HIM (Moz, not the band) or somebody from The Smiths.

Is anybody thinking something like that even now?
Any theory?

Bye RS

I can't remember any specific discussion, but I think we're all aware that Morrissey is indeed online and maybe he lurks here and there. And we know that he has certain things (like birthday messages) printed out and presented to him by a member of his staff.

Well we know that he's kind of anti-social in the 'real world' so I don't see how that could be different in the virtual world....

[mjp]

Rocco.

Interesting question.

I for one believe the answer is an undeniable YES.

I think he has even been as bold as to post on here very recently, for which I would applaud him.

Studying the boards as much as I do allows me an ability to detect strange occurrences, or should I say, unusual patterns in certain things.

I don't want to say too much about my suspicions but, yes, I'm sure the man himself has been here.

I will finish by saying that I certainly hope he has had a good look around and he will find that his audience are actually a decent bunch and that this site, previously referred to in detrimental terms by Morrissey, is actually a great vehicle for his name.

[Briber]

Im sure i read comments somewhere that he had issued a statement on true-to-you.net saying he wished people on "MorrisseySoLow" would get their facts straight about Joyce. So if true-to-you.net is genuine, then he must have been viewing this website or at least being shown it.

[Mada]

Yeah, he's definitely talking about the type of people us Moz-Solo moderators try to remove from the site.

We're not as low as he thinks, so he mustn't read it very often.

The man has better things to do, you know.

[mjp]

Mada and Briber:

That was before the new forums where we now have things under control - which is why I think he's had a change of heart and another look more recently.

No one can argue the previous format boards were anything other than chaos.

[almareallymatters]

Of course he takes a sneeky peek from time to time....how could he possibly resist?!! We all know he has a "naughty" side.....haven't we all?!!

[lnathan]

Rocco.

Interesting question.

I for one believe the answer is an undeniable YES.

I think he has even been as bold as to post on here very recently, for which I would applaud him.

Studying the boards as much as I do allows me an ability to detect strange occurrences, or should I say, unusual patterns in certain things.

I don't want to say too much about my suspicions but, yes, I'm sure the man himself has been here.

I will finish by saying that I certainly hope he has had a good look around and he will find that his audience are actually a decent bunch and that this site, previously referred to in detrimental terms by Morrissey, is actually a great vehicle for his name.

Why won't you tell?

[MrRoboto]

I do believe he visits these forums and the main page from time to time. After all, how would he know or think this site was "so low" unless he had been here a few times to get that opinion (or at least once). Of course, things have changed since the chaos days, but i think he does know that even if he posts his statements on Julia's site, this site is where the action is at.

I'm sure he stops by to see how his latest letters are being received by the unwashed masses :-)

[Suzanne]

I think he has even been as bold as to post on here very recently, for which I would applaud him.

oh, you mean the leaked letter?

yes, that was very brave of him. a bit odd to threaten David in a bid to remove it, but still...

[mjp]

oh, you mean the leaked letter?

yes, that was very brave of him. a bit odd to threaten David in a bid to remove it, but still...

Nope, I mean, registering on this forum and posting stuff.

[Uncleskinny]

Nope, I mean, registering on this forum and posting stuff.

I recently saw something that made me wonder too...any posts will be guerrilla strikes - creep in by stealth, plant a bomb, and retreat. I for one think it's great fun.

Peter

[davidt]

oh, you mean the leaked letter?

yes, that was very brave of him. a bit odd to threaten David in a bid to remove it, but still...

The whole situation was a bit odd with the law firm that represents both Morrissey and Sanctuary Records, and also a partner's son being involved with the letter. Three potential conflicts of interest. While the lawyer said he represented Morrissey in respect to copyright, perhaps it was someone else who really wanted the message censored from sight.

Purely speculative, but consider the possibility the letter was leaked. Sanctuary or the law firm wants it removed. They ask Morrissey how he feels about this and how the letter was posted, what's he going to say?

[no one in particular]

I recently saw something that made me wonder too...any posts will be guerrilla strikes - creep in by stealth, plant a bomb, and retreat. I for one think it's great fun.

Peter

do you mind sharing the suspicious item(s)? just curious what it was...

[Uncleskinny]

do you mind sharing the suspicious item(s)? just curious what it was...

I'd have to go back and have a look, but you know, the mystery would be destroyed if we knew for certain. It's so much more fun to guess, don't you think? It's like a game of Cluedo, or for the folk over the water, Clue. For instance "I think it was Uncleskinny, in the General Forum, with a post about Alma Matters" - three "x"s on the card for the one then!

Peter

[no one in particular]

you know you are right uncsk., it is more fun to play the game. games have always been so dear to me too.
and nice clue/do analogy. LOL! at that!

[zom]

you know you are right uncsk., it is more fun to play the game. games have always been so dear to me too.
and nice clue/do analogy. LOL! at that!

I say it was Morrissey in the Members Pics thread saying I am joy to humanity...

oh wait that didnt happen, but it could. :D

zom

[mjp]

I say it was Morrissey in the Members Pics thread saying I am joy to humanity...

oh wait that didnt happen, but it could. :D

zom

Quality Zom.

But I'm sure he's just as unlikely to wish you an Unhappy Birthday too ;)

[zom]

Quality Zom.

But I'm sure he's just as unlikely to wish you an Unhappy Birthday too ;)

Well worked friend!;)

zom

[King Leer]

Interesting thread -- there was a ridiculous period during the Quarry tour where people thought the user "broken" might be him.

I've read messages that had an...odd feeling to them. Like they could be the man.

I know one thing -- if I were Him I wouldn't have bothered with the insanity of the old forums, but I would check them out now.

[almareallymatters]

All this speculation is jolly good fun of course......but only one person knows for sure........and HE will outwit us all........ in the long run!

[Suzanne]

All this speculation is jolly good fun of course......but only one person knows for sure........and HE will outwit us all........ in the long run!

oh, he's not THAT smart....

[Suzanne]

Interesting thread -- there was a ridiculous period during the Quarry tour where people thought the user "broken" might be him.


the only person who thought broken was "him" was broken himself.

[almareallymatters]

oh, he's not THAT smart....
Ok....will the REAL Mr Morrissey please step forward.....*waiting*........*still waiting*.........darn.....really thought we were in with a shout then........will have to think of a PLAN B!!!!!

[Busy Clippers]

Are we talking about Morrissey or The Scarlet Pimpernel?

[Sharron Needles]

:rolleyes:

There's a Scarlet Pimpernel thread?

[Suzanne]

Purely speculative, but consider the possibility the letter was leaked. Sanctuary or the law firm wants it removed. They ask Morrissey how he feels about this and how the letter was posted, what's he going to say?

what is morrissey going to say? he doesn't have to say anything. he's skilled at hiding from his fax/phone/email when it suits him. no better excuse than to say that your computer is broken.

[andy_fozzy]

I just wanna say, I haven't been away. I'm still right here..........

I think it is a very strong possibility that the King has looked, maybe even posted on here. At least I like to think he has.........

I tell you one thing for sure (as much as I'd like him to...)
he will never admit it.
And let's face it, we wouldn't believe 'him' even if he said he had.

Regardless, Moz, if you do read this thread, thanks for EVERYTHING, (you know what I mean), and we all love and adore you. (But me the most lol!!!)

There, I said it.

[mjp]

Andy, great sentiments.

I think Moz has as much as admitted he is here judging by some of his recent posts.

[Jeff196]

MJP = agree. The username of the man who is Moz can be described as:

1. lives underground
2. posts the longest posts of alomst anyone - and knows everything about the Smiths and mar...

if you are in the dark...ask me politely, I may provide you the info you want

[mjp]

MJP = agree. The username of the man who is Moz can be described as:

1. lives underground
2. posts the longest posts of alomst anyone - and knows everything about the Smiths and mar...

if you are in the dark...ask me politely, I may provide you the info you want

Hey Jeff.

I know what you're saying but don't think you're right.

I think who you refer to is a journalist who doesn't lie.

Close though!

[Rocco Sifredi]

No... I don't think Morrissey likes Rush

[Jeff196]

Maybe...

[no one in particular]

jeff, who are you replying to?

[no one in particular]

No... I don't think Morrissey likes Rush

hi again my truly vegetarian friend-
did you mean for this comment to be in the Hair Metal vs New York Dolls thread? (you know after our nut house mate and bookworm mentioned Rush for that topic?)

just that your remark seemed a little misplaced to me, but maybe i am just dumb

[Pervomartovtsi]

come on, NO ONE HAS NOTICED!?

you sure a dumb, Theo is Morrissey himself! just read his posts!

I'm such a clever detective (h)

[no one in particular]

^^ big clown strikes again :D :D

[Rocco Sifredi]

Who mentioned Rush first?

[Ambrosia]

Purely speculative, but consider the possibility the letter was leaked. Sanctuary or the law firm wants it removed. They ask Morrissey how he feels about this and how the letter was posted, what's he going to say?

Suppose the lawyer's request was only a way to prove the letter was true and authentic?

[no one in particular]

Who mentioned Rush first?
ok, Rocco, I GET you now. your comment "No... I don't think Morrissey likes Rush" was intended as direct reply to jeff196's remarks in post #30 and concurring with mjp's thoughts in post #31.

see, without using quote strings or the up arrow (^) to indicate to whom you were replying, it was difficult for me to decipher how your comment was applicable and/or to whom it was being made. (and because i know you are new here and still somewhat unfamiliar with how this board works - LOL - i wanted to verify that you didn't just accidently entangle your threads)

anyway, quote strings and/or use of the up arrow can greatly benefit your audience of readers in following the discussion and reduce confusion, especially since many of us are usually in one stage of inebriation or another when present here.......................................... :) :)

[Worm]

Look, Morrissey has described himself as a "musicologist" and a music "junky"-- combine the two and you've got a professor of music combing record stores, bug-eyed and dry-heaving, in search of a fix, any fix. He had a major infatuation with (North) American music in the Seventies, so an academic, if not visceral, appreciation of Rush isn't totally absurd.

In the high school halls
In the shopping malls
Conform or be cast out
(Subdivisions)
In the basement bars
In the backs of cars
Be cool or be cast out
Any escape might help to smooth the unattractive truth
But the suburbs have no charms to soothe the restless dreams of youth
(1982)

As for me, I tried to convey that while I respect them as musicians they are utterly alien to my sensibilities. Still, if you love one form of rock music it's hard not to appreciate all the other kinds, too, because the more attuned you become to influences the more you realize that most pop and rock bands draw from the same well.

The difference for most of us comes down to the spirit of a group's music, the intangible elements. Paul Morley once said, "The difference between Pink Floyd and New Order is the difference between a cardboard box and a dream".

Does Morrissey haunt these boards? My God, I hope not. If anyone thinks he's posted on here, provide a link to the suspicious text and let's have a look, because I certainly missed it. I would think after the publication of his last letter on TTY that his style is easily identifiable. And did you re-read the New York Dolls book, which someone kindly linked to the other day? If he was here we'd know it.

Then again, our esteemed webmaster has blindingly fast ways of seeing who's who, or at any rate who is not who, which makes his post about the lawyer worth a second look...

[andy_fozzy]

No I don't think we'd all notice.
Moz is clever. Cleverer than any of us for sure.

Anyway worm, why do you hope not??

[Worm]

Anyway worm, why do you hope not??

For his sake. I mean, I hope he doesn't get caught up with Internet message boards because while it's fun for fans I can't imagine how it would be healthy for a pop star. Part of me wants to think he's on a higher plane, reading Noel Coward on Mount Olympus while eating peeled grapes fed to him by the latest Jake. And the idea of him using a computer...let's just say I'm satisfied by the image of that unopened iPod box.

[Jon]

For his sake. I mean, I hope he doesn't get caught up with Internet message boards because while it's fun for fans I can't imagine how it would be healthy for a pop star. Part of me wants to think he's on a higher plane, reading Noel Coward on Mount Olympus while eating peeled grapes fed to him by the latest Jake. And the idea of him using a computer...let's just say I'm satisfied by the image of that unopened iPod box.


Why is that mans bottom on your picture? you perv. (yes of course I am aware of the source)

[Worm]

you perv

Perverse, yes, but not in the sweaty, sticky way. My interest in that man's bottom is entirely aesthetic and not recreational. No Sir Mix A Lot am I. Rather, I was simply browsing for a new avatar on my hard drive and there it was, staring me in the face. How could I not use it?

Don't worry, Murray Head arrives soon.

[Pervomartovtsi]

well if he really was here, he'd probably visit the song meaning threads and similars and say:

COME ON GUYS!
THAT SONG IS NOT ABOUT BEING GAY AND GIVING FELLATIOS ALL THE WAY TO HEAVEN!!!
IS JUST ABOUT VISITING A FOUNTAIN WITH A GIRL!!!

[andy_fozzy]

For his sake. I mean, I hope he doesn't get caught up with Internet message boards because while it's fun for fans I can't imagine how it would be healthy for a pop star. Part of me wants to think he's on a higher plane, reading Noel Coward on Mount Olympus while eating peeled grapes fed to him by the latest Jake. And the idea of him using a computer...let's just say I'm satisfied by the image of that unopened iPod box.


Ah ok, I see!!

I've heard he searches eBay to see what Morrissey items are for sale....

[mozmic_dancer]

I believe he had at one time visited the chat room here. I can't prove it, but I recall one character in particular. It was just a feeling I got. Chatted with me briefly. Doesn't go in there much anymore. I don't either.

[mjp]

For his sake. I mean, I hope he doesn't get caught up with Internet message boards because while it's fun for fans I can't imagine how it would be healthy for a pop star. Part of me wants to think he's on a higher plane, reading Noel Coward on Mount Olympus while eating peeled grapes fed to him by the latest Jake. And the idea of him using a computer...let's just say I'm satisfied by the image of that unopened iPod box.

Hi Worm, few thoughts from me:

[a] How does it feel to be first person on this board to be considered intelligent enough to be Morrissey himself?

[b] Thanks for your new avatar, but please, next time you're going to use pictures of me, ask first. :D

[c] Finally, I think due to the very valid point in the first part of your post above, if Morrissey was to visit here he would more than likely create his own new threads, go away, come back see what the masses have contributed then move to a new topic of his own, even if the subject has been addressed elsewhere at an earlier time.

[Suzanne]

Hi Worm, few thoughts from me:


[c] Finally, I think due to the very valid point in the first part of your post above, if Morrissey was to visit here he would more than likely create his own new threads, go away, come back see what the masses have contributed then move to a new topic of his own, even if the subject has been addressed elsewhere at an earlier time.

is this a hint, or have you changed your mind about who it is?

[no one in particular]

^ changed his mind from what previously?

[Suzanne]

^ changed his mind from what previously?

i thought at first that he meant that whoever he thought is morrissey replied to posts...

but i think the idea of morrissey starting his own threads sounds more like him. couldn't you see the debate ensuing and his thinking that he doesn't need to defend his opinion?

he's a man that's in control..... :p

[no one in particular]

i am in very much agreement with you there suzanne. the control factor is utmost! and that would certainly shine through on any character in here who we believe to be moz

you know, control of threads, control of replies (sometimes and sometimes not), etc.

[Worm]

[a] How does it feel to be first person on this board to be considered intelligent enough to be Morrissey himself?

Um, bemused and flattered, except you'd have to be crazy to think I was the great man. My posts aren't even a tenth as entertaining as his most hastily-scrawled postcard, for starters, and even if he'd decided to adopt a voice like mine to disguise himself, that wouldn't explain my defense of Mike Joyce. (Indeed, if Morrissey frequents this board, he probably despises me.)

[b] Thanks for your new avatar, but please, next time you're going to use pictures of me, ask first. :D

Sorry, I know it was cheeky of me.

[c] Finally, I think due to the very valid point in the first part of your post above, if Morrissey was to visit here he would more than likely create his own new threads, go away, come back see what the masses have contributed then move to a new topic of his own, even if the subject has been addressed elsewhere at an earlier time.

Hmm, a nice theory! Do you think he would really do that? And if he did, would it be out of genuine curiosity or just to see how we mice fight over the crumbs of cheese he drops in our cage? Anyway I'm really curious about all this-- you and others seem to think he's been here. The idea that he has walked among us, like Henry the night before Agincourt...! A scintillating thought, and like most scintillating thoughts no less so for being highly improbable.

[mjp]

(Indeed, if Morrissey frequents this board, he probably despises me.)
I doubt that - well maybe if he read your contribution to the Worst Lyric thread then yes, he and I both.:p

Sorry, I know it was cheeky of me.

As usual, your posts never hit a bum note.

(Hmm, a nice theory! Do you think he would really do that? And if he did, would it be out of genuine curiosity or just to see how we mice fight over the crumbs of cheese he drops in our cage? Anyway I'm really curious about all this-- you and others seem to think he's been here. The idea that he has walked among us, like Henry the night before Agincourt...! A scintillating thought, and like most scintillating thoughts no less so for being highly improbable.
Good analagy! Very mice indeed!:D

I'm surprised someone as sharp as you hasn't detected anything usual recently. Or perhaps because you haven't we should read that as a dampner on our suspicions?

[Mozzarella]

I'm following similar events on the board of another artist....there's someone hauting the forum who's found a clever way of tricking ppl into thinking he's the artist.

The thing is, if you really want to believe that, you'll find endless ways of proving it to yourself....

But the bottom line is that we're really not....hm...that interesting. So why should he?

In my world, I like to believe that internationally celebrated artists and popstars have better and more interesting things to do but talk to some honks on a message board. That could be just me thinking that....but there's a general "no not very likely" attached to it.

[Suzanne]

i am in very much agreement with you there suzanne. the control factor is utmost! and that would certainly shine through on any character in here who we believe to be moz

you know, control of threads, control of replies (sometimes and sometimes not), etc.

he also likes to taunt his audience. he presents himself on stage as the object that people rise up to attack.

then again, you can see Morrissey everywhere, and you can see him nowhere. There have been enough people who either claim they know something or try and act like they are somebody that it's easy enough to fool some people.

he cares enough to respond via the internet to his fans, but again, it's a written medium like faxes that doesn't involve journalists or paying PR departments. he could possibly read nothing here, finds out his information by putting his lackeys up to it, but drop by long enough just to send Julia a note.

[no one in particular]

he also likes to taunt his audience. he presents himself on stage as the object that people rise up to attack.

right on again, suzanne. excellent assessment and again applicable to anyone in here who could be the Mozzer

[Worm]

Well said, Suzanne.

People overestimate his sociability, even with something as remote and anonymous as a discussion board. I'm inclined to believe him when he says he stays home, alone, shutting out the world to listen to records, watch films, and hide out under the bed. Morrissey genuinely likes his fans and needs the contact, but the live shows are enough. On a day-to-day level, the distance between Morrisesy and his audience is so wide it may as well be the distance between Morrissey and a beggar in Bangladesh-- or maybe moreso.

Which doesn't bother me in the least. Leave the likeable-schlub-answering-fans'-questions-on-his-website routine to Kevin Smith (who does it well, I might add). Besides, perhaps we can learn something about the funny but disturbing anecdote Morrissey once gave an interviewer about meeting his idol Patti Smith. He saw her at a press conference and was appalled by her behavior, particularly at her habit of farting noisily and unapologetically. Morrissey keeps aloof because he knows better than anyone the wisdom in Flaubert's axiom, "One must not touch one's idols. A little of the gilt always comes off on one's fingers".

[Danielledelu]

I just found this, post I thought it was interesting..
I hope it's true. I would love if Moz watched all we loyal fans had to say about things.. although im not so sure if he does..

it would be quite awesome though.. kinda like Santa so watch what you say( But I dont really care, and santa's not real)

[DeliciousDemon]

Hey Danielle, thanks for digging this thread out. I was thinking of starting up something similar and was, of course, too lazy to check whether something similar exists already.

I am almost sure Moz comes here. How could he not? I recently read someone's blog - this guy who met him in LA - and he actually asked Morrissey whether he's visiting his fan sites and Moz said that he used to but stopped once he realized his fans were vile. :o

My guess is that he has someone who visits this on his behalf (as I think he already said somewhere) and that he drops in every once in a while just to check whether kids are in order. Not sure if he posts anything though ... but I'm sure he's watching!

I also actually kind of like the idea that he's here somewhere. On one level I never wish to meet him in person and I like to admire from a far. On another level it's also sort of thrilling to think he's around the corner ... can't quite put my finger on it but the possibility excites me.

[SRA]

I wouldnt be suprised if he lurks the main site occasionally to see if its carrying key news, but I think its very unlikely he spends any time on here. Maybe some of those close to him hang around here once in a while and mention to him anything like those slagging him off over the Joyce thing.

But a lot of the controversy this place caused was back on the old format of the forums which gave a platform to people stirring things up intentionally. The discussion is better these days but the controversy is less so in reality I doubt very much his entourage bother to come on here.

Something tells me they arent reporting back to him the results of 'Best Morrissey song Round 1' ;)

[Danielledelu]

Hey Danielle, thanks for digging this thread out. I was thinking of starting up something similar and was, of course, too lazy to check whether something similar exists already.

I am almost sure Moz comes here. How could he not? I recently read someone's blog - this guy who met him in LA - and he actually asked Morrissey whether he's visiting his fan sites and Moz said that he used to but stopped once he realized his fans were vile. :o

My guess is that he has someone who visits this on his behalf (as I think he already said somewhere) and that he drops in every once in a while just to check whether kids are in order. Not sure if he posts anything though ... but I'm sure he's watching!

I also actually kind of like the idea that he's here somewhere. On one level I never wish to meet him in person and I like to admire from a far. On another level it's also sort of thrilling to think he's around the corner ... can't quite put my finger on it but the possibility excites me.


Yes the idea of Moz among us, utterly enthralls me! I hope he does, although I have to say.. I wish to meet him in person greatly, before 1. I die, or 2. He dies. So I can't wait until a concert I will be the most annoying fan as possible trying to get on stage all night, which could prove extremly difficult, but I will have friends to help me.

Yes I have heard he had been here and thinks were all vile and witless, but I think that's just a front. Face it, he loves his fans.:D

[Danielledelu]

If he is online, I hope he has read my essay called 'Why Morrissey is More Relevant now than ever before'. It is a deity.

Where is this essay, I want to read it.

[Server NTLI]

If he is online, I hope he has read my essay called 'Why Morrissey is More Relevant now than ever before'. It is a deity.

I prefered your " Phallus worshipping is for the mentally deficient " article personally Janice.

[Wilde is on my side]

I'm following similar events on the board of another artist....there's someone hauting the forum who's found a clever way of tricking ppl into thinking he's the artist.

Hah, reminds me of a time a few years back when a friend and I went on a boyband fansite and told a few girls that we were the leadsinger (or something).

Oh, that was so good...hilarious. We led them on a fair bit- really got it going. We actually told them that we weren't him in the end. They weren't impressed- quote: 'You have broken our dreams'. Not sure if they really believed us, but if they did...well, they kind of deserved it for their gullibility! Really, girlies...get a life.

Anyways, back to the topic...I hope Moz pops by every now and then. (But now am thinking: have I ever said anything really horrible on here that he might have read?)

If I were him I would spend my life reading these pages (which perhaps shows why I'm not him).

If you're passing, Moz...remember what you said about there not being a queue of people waiting for you? Well, if there's no one else- I'm here, right at the front!

(Oh God, is this what my life has come to?! Begging for a man that I don't actually know on internet forums which he probably doesn't read?)

[chica]

If you're passing, Moz...remember what you said about there not being a queue of people waiting for you? Well, if there's no one else- I'm here, right at the front!

(Oh God, is this what my life has come to?! Begging for a man that I don't actually know on internet forums which he probably doesn't read?)
Really, girlies...get a life.
Enough said... :D

[Wilde is on my side]

Enough said... :D

Yes, indeed! :p

[drunken goldfish]

remember what you said about there not being a queue of people waiting for you? Well, if there's no one else- I'm here, right at the front!


Aww, that's a sweet thing to say. :)

[sarahT]

Hah, reminds me of a time a few years back when a friend and I went on a boyband fansite and told a few girls that we were the leadsinger (or something).

Which boyband?

[chica]

Which boyband?
Beware Wilde is on my side, they're after you seeking revenge! :D

[Wilde is on my side]

Aww, that's a sweet thing to say. :)

Well, you know...that's the kinda girl I am...:D

Which boyband?

Ach, do you know O-town? If I remember rightly it was them. We did it because they were my friend's sister's favourite band at the time. (We didn't tell her though, she would have flipped.)

Beware Wilde is on my side, they're after you seeking revenge! :D

Dear God please help me! They were kinda scary when we told them we'd been lying...I can't imagine what they're like now. Older and bigger, I guess! Best get my running shoes on...

[nightandday]

Hey Jeff.

I know what you're saying but don't think you're right.

I think who you refer to is a journalist who doesn't lie.

Close though!
Come to think of it, Worm does sound like a music writer!

Hmm... who can it be? Come on, spill the beans! :)

[duchess_of_fork]

Now that the tour is over, he will have more idle time.
I'm sure he'll want to come here.
After all, we're his family.
Bwhahaa.
Oh how cheesy.

[lilikoi]

If I had ever remotely thought he would look in here I would definitely not have posted certain embarrassing things in the 'would you sleep with morrissey thread'.
But I think I'm safe - I am pretty sure he has better things to do than read these posts. But that Mike Joyce statement kind of makes me wonder nevertheless....

[Stanley]

I was fairly certain that "Mr Reynolds" was Morrissey. He posted a few rare tracks on the forum and if it wasn't Morrissey as such it must have been someone from his camp.

[duchess_of_fork]

But that Mike Joyce statement kind of makes me wonder nevertheless....

could you link me to that statement?

[hatfull]

I do like to thinbk that Morrissey looks on here from time to time... I wouldn't be able to resist the temptation!!!!!!

[left out]

Suzanne, Worm,

very interesting comments. Simply reading them raises my IQ! :o

On a recent radio interview Morrissey said he doesn't visit fan sites, but then I commented "bullshit" several times to the radio as I was listening. I think he likes to play games, it's fun to wind people up and watch them go..

:D

[lilikoi]

could you link me to that statement?

it's on true to you and it's kinda adressed to this board, right?


Statement from Morrissey
30 November 2005

Statement from Morrissey:

The latest statements from M Joyce on a BBC 6 radio interview as faithfully reported on the MorrisseySoLow site have been brought to my attention and I feel I should make this reply as an attempt to put the matter straight.

1. From '83 to '87 M Joyce happily and willingly received 10% of Smiths recording royalties.

2. In '89, as is documented, Joyce sued Morrissey & Marr for 25% of Smiths recording royalties.

3. In '96, Joyce took his claim to court - and on the basis of the 1890 Partnership Act the judge awarded Joyce 25%.

4. In '97, M Joyce was paid 215 thousand pounds from me, and 215 thousand pounds from Johnny Marr.

5. In '99, Joyce appeared on British television and made the statement: "There was no contract saying we were gonna get 25%."

6. In 2001, as a final payment of back royalties, Johnny Marr paid Joyce 260 thousand pounds, plus "costs." At this time I was in the US and was not served with court proceedings, so Joyce obtained a Default Judgment. He then put forward a claim from me for 688 thousand pounds - well above and beyond the amount Johnny Marr was ordered to pay. In my absence, the figure was not contested.

7. Since 2001, and because of the Default Judgment against me, Joyce has taken out Third Party Orders against the following societies: my personal bank account in England, Smiths royalties from Warner Music, my personal PRS royalties, my personal PPL royalties, and he has attempted to seize UK concert fees from venue to venue. This money, to date, totals 700 thousand pounds. This figure is in addition to the figures mentioned above.

8. By grabbing the full total of Smiths royalties from Warner Music (and this means that when the public buy a Smiths CD in the UK, the royalties go to Joyce, and have done so since 2001) Joyce has knowingly deprived Andy Rourke of his 10% Smiths royalties, and has deprived producers John Porter, Stephen Street, Grant Showbiz and Steve Lillywhite (for "Ask") of their entitlements. Joyce did not declare to the courts that others - namely, the above - were also beneficiaries to the Warner Music royalties.

9. In 2001, Joyce attempted to seize both my mother's house and my sister's house by claiming that I had taken my assets out of the UK; he made this claim even though he had direct access to all of the above – which are in the UK. Joyce eventually dropped both of these claims due to lack of evidence, and he refused to pay the 150 thousand pounds that it had cost me to defend his groundless claims. Joyce also dropped his claim as co-composer with Johnny M on Smiths compositions, and Joyce also dropped his claim for Producer royalties on Smiths recordings, and Joyce also dropped his claim for a share of Artwork payments given to me for providing Smiths record sleeves. There were, in fact, no payments to me for Smiths Artwork. Joyce made a further claim for 25% of all Smiths t-shirts sold during the '83 to '87 period, even though there was no evidence that any royalty for t-shirts had been received by either myself or Johnny Marr.

10. In legal fees alone, Joyce has cost me 600 thousand pounds - this is quite apart from any payments made to him, and is quite apart from any money seized by him. In total, Joyce has cost me 1 million, 515 thousand pounds. This is an approximate figure - it could even be higher.

11. The Joyce action is continuous. Because of his Default Judgment he continues to take my royalties, and the royalties of others mentioned above, from Warner Music - consequently I have not received record royalties since 2001.

12. Since 2001, the money claimed by Joyce is charged, to me, at 100 pounds a day in interest.

13. During the Smiths' lifetime, when Joyce willingly took a 10% royalty, he did not contribute towards any expenses of any kind, did not take on any Partnership duties or responsibilities, and he received his 10% as gross earnings.

The point I wish to make is this: Joyce is not poor, unless, living as he does in the Cheshire green-belt, he lives beyond his means. Somehow, he appears to believe that he should have equal financial status to both myself and to Johnny Marr, even though Joyce has done dramatically less than Johnny and I to attain the positions we now have.

Joyce is not poor because of one reason - me. His career now is the fictitious position of an unpaid ex-member of the Smiths. He has also pursued all of his claims on Legal Aid.

I don't make this statement in search of sympathy from anyone, but I wish that the people at MorrisseySoLow who support Joyce would at least get their facts right before they say anything. Even with his 10% share, Joyce was wealthy. Now, he is extremely wealthy.

What more does he want?

I have fought the Joyce action as much as I could over the years, but the simple truth is that, under British law, the word of a judge will not be overturned. In the absence of any evidence from the 1980s, the judge in this case relied upon the Partnership Act of 1890 to help Joyce win his claim. Joyce has exploited the judge's final verdict in order to get as much as he can from me, from Johnny Marr, and also from Andy Rourke.

Finally, Joyce does not have the legal right to sell unreleased Smiths material - it belongs to Warner Music. Joyce did not pay for the recording time under which any demo material was recorded. Furthermore, Joyce cannot sell any unreleased work by Johnny Marr or Andy Rourke without, at very least, their permission.

Thanks for reading this,
MORRISSEY.

[Kickstand]

What exactly has Morrissey got against this forum? I'm a newbie, so I don't know. I thought he would enjoy fan sites set up about him. Joyce might not be poor, but that's not the point, he was just as important to The Smiths as Morrissey and Marr were, the same goes for Rourke. It's common knowledge that any drummer or bassist of a band will not get the credit the lead, rhythm or vocalist gets, this is fundamentally wrong. The royalties should be distributed evenly, but it's not Joyce who I feel sorry for, neither Morrissey or Marr it's Rourke! He's the person I feel for the most. It's shame that this silly argument over money has somewhat shadowed what was otherwise an amazing foursome known as The Smiths.

[Kewpie]

David doesn't like censorship and supports freedom of speech, but Morrissey seems upset about it.
No one is perfect and naturally Morrissey dosen't want to hear some criticism and disrepute.:o
I'd suggest you to read following thread:

http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=64892

According to left out, reading Worm's excellent analysis and anatomy of fandom will raise your IQ.;)

The great thing about this site is which gives us opportunity to discuss all things about The Smiths/Morrissey.
Pity Morrissey-Music was unable to do so anymore.

[Puddle]

he doesn't enjoy certain rumors and gossip that get reported on the main page. though i don't see those types of articles anymore.

I'm sure Morrissey enjoys my comprehensive surveys. like my "would you sleep with morrissey" survey, divided according to gender and sexual orientation. or "do you like Smiths or Morrissey solo more" divided according to age and geographical location.

you know, the data is important.

[Kewpie]

Puddle, I hope Morrissey'll use the valuable data collected by your surveys in future for marketing and promotions.:p

[mozmic_dancer]

I voted Morrissey for Poster of the Year and you'll get no apologies from me either :p

[lilikoi]

It's common knowledge that any drummer or bassist of a band will not get the credit the lead, rhythm or vocalist gets, this is fundamentally wrong. The royalties should be distributed evenly

Royalties go to the songwriter. If the whole band writes the songs together then yes, of course it should be distributed evenly but if drummer and bassist just play along to finished compositions why on earth would they get the same share? No way.

[lilybett]

He obv comes here or else how would he have known to play Don't Make Fun Of Daddy's Voice for Miss Lilybett?! :p

No but really. For him to have commented on us (so low), he must have been at least once. And seriously, if there was a whole board somewhere about you, how would you be able to resist having a sneaky peek from time to time?

Hullo, Morrissey.

[Kickstand]

Royalties go to the songwriter. If the whole band writes the songs together then yes, of course it should be distributed evenly but if drummer and bassist just play along to finished compositions why on earth would they get the same share? No way.

Well you haven't got much of a band without a drummer and bass guitarist! Morrissey was not The Smiths! It took three other members to help create the Smiths! Morrissey need three other members to create music to suit his lyrics and both the lyrics and music flowed together beautifully! Joyce deserves as much money from The Smiths as Morrissey does, whether you or he (Morrissey) likes it or not!

[lilikoi]

And seriously, if there was a whole board somewhere about you, how would you be able to resist having a sneaky peek from time to time?

Hullo, Morrissey.

Merry X-Mas Moz, I'm suuuuuure you will be reading this soon. I just wanna say I am taking back that stupid stuff I posted about you being chubby and too old for me. I was wrong. I changed my mind. Please forgive me. LOVE :)

[Danny]

Well you haven't got much of a band without a drummer and bass guitarist! Morrissey was not The Smiths! It took three other members to help create the Smiths! Morrissey need three other members to create music to suit his lyrics and both the lyrics and music flowed together beautifully! Joyce deserves as much money from The Smiths as Morrissey does, whether you or he (Morrissey) likes it or not!

I think you need to read a bit more into who did what in The Smiths. And also what the real issues were in the court case.

The reason Morrissey doesn't like this site is because in the past there have been false rumours about him which seem to have been encouraged by the site.

[lilikoi]

Well you haven't got much of a band without a drummer and bass guitarist! Morrissey was not The Smiths! It took three other members to help create the Smiths! Morrissey need three other members to create music to suit his lyrics and both the lyrics and music flowed together beautifully! Joyce deserves as much money from The Smiths as Morrissey does, whether you or he (Morrissey) likes it or not!

One would have to know how this is usually handeld with bands. I mean, some bands have people on stage that aren't even part of the band. (Placebo for example). Obviously those guys are needed for the sound but are not part of the songwriting process and I doubt they are getting ANY royalties at all.
But just imagine yourself as a songrwiter and tell me you would honestly think it would be fair that people who do not write the songs get the same share. It may sound harsh but drummers are more replaceable than singers and you don't do much songwriting on a drumkit, nor on a bass. There is a difference, I believe.

[Kickstand]

I think you need to read a bit more into who did what in The Smiths. And also what the real issues were in the court case.

The reason Morrissey doesn't like this site is because in the past there have been false rumours about him which seem to have been encouraged by the site.

I'm not interested in what went on, I would like this to be put to bed, it's dragged on for years, it's boring to be frank, I however read and will read more into The Smiths!

[Kickstand]

One would have to know how this is usually handeld with bands. I mean, some bands have people on stage that aren't even part of the band. (Placebo for example). Obviously those guys are needed for the sound but are not part of the songwriting process and I doubt they are getting ANY royalties at all.
But just imagine yourself as a songrwiter and tell me you would honestly think it would be fair that people who do not write the songs get the same share. It may sound harsh but drummers are more replaceable than singers and you don't do much songwriting on a drumkit, nor on a bass. There is a difference, I believe.

Very true, I suppose, but the fact they were part of The Smiths for the duration of The Smiths should mean more than a 10% cut! My take on bands is that all members should get the same, equal pay, but obviously greed takes hold and you get this nonsense! I don't know what went on, so the chances are I'm speaking utter tripe, but that's my take on things! Maybe I'm utopian, a fool some might say!

[Puddle]

Very true, I suppose, but the fact they were part of The Smiths for the duration of The Smiths should mean more than a 10% cut! My take on bands is that all members should get the same, equal pay, but obviously greed takes hold and you get this nonsense! I don't know what went on, so the chances are I'm speaking utter tripe, but that's my take on things! Maybe I'm utopian, a fool some might say!

A Utopia? i wouldn't want to be part of your utopia if it meant someone else gets credit and compensation for something they didn't do. Joyce did not write the music...so he 'deserves' less.

[Suzanne]

it used to be that i was convinced that morrissey came here quite often and read stuff. this used to inspire me to contribute in a good way because i thought that was fun.

these days, i don't really tend to think that he reads that much.

i know it sounds strange considering there is no proof either way and he has made his presence known through TTY and such, but i think that's just it. i used to think it was a story that he relied upon people to be his gatekeeper and to pick out the "nice" stuff for him to read. I think julia fills that function just by giving a synopsis to him of what those mean old people said about her on the internet. how would she know except that she comes here?

and why else would she come here? if you personally had a pipeline of moz news and were getting emails directly from him and is given free access to the shows to go hang out with him, you'd lose interest in this site fairly quickly. ok, except for the braggarts that would come here and let everybody know about it. the only reasons i could think of why she would come here is that either morrissey asked her to in a bid to pick out messages OR she likes to find the mean things people say about her, write to moz and let him know so that the two of them can be buddies in torment thanks to this website.

anyway, my current fantasy world is one where moz doesn't come here, isn't bothered by any of it, and has friends hunting and pecking "nice" messages. whether it is actually Julia or some Italian flavor of the month, i don't know. i figure that even if i did say sweet things they wouldn't be forwarded on anyway. i'd probably be seen as a Davidt cronie or that girl that once said something bad about this one thing that is on Morrissey's list of unforgivable curses and should be ignored as a traitor.

Either way, conforming to that ideal is too demanding. i don't care what people say in morrissey being a gentle giant and all that. morrissey is his own guy and there are a lot of things you can do to royally piss him off just from being yourself (such as if you ate meat or liked modern music). If morrissey truly has his feelings hurt by what i say, then i'm glad he doesn't come here. if he does actually come here and read it regardless, that's his own fault for continuing.

[lilikoi]

A Utopia? i wouldn't want to be part of your utopia if it meant someone else gets credit and compensation for something they didn't do. Joyce did not write the music...so he 'deserves' less.

This whole Joyce thing has sort of made me curious about the music business. I'd like to know how the percentages of the royalties are split in other bands. But how to find out? :confused:
but anyway - this seizing his mothers and sisters house thing that Moz writes about gives me the chills. Why, after that, is Morrissey considered the bad guy - I can't quite understand.

[lilikoi]

anyway, my current fantasy world is one where moz doesn't come here, isn't bothered by any of it, and has friends hunting and pecking "nice" messages. whether it is actually Julia or some Italian flavor of the month, i don't know.

Well, it takes a loooot of time to read all these posts. As far as scanning
out nice messages or having Julia deliver them to him, why would he need this ego boost? It's pretty juvenile, isn't it?
He knows by now that he has many fans. He probably gets flooded with fan mail and love messages, gets recognised everywhere, probably feels harrassed by all the attention. I think when you are famous you crave for privacy. Music and fans are his job - would he be hanging out in fan forums in his free time? Some other celebrity was aked this question and his reply was that he likes porn sites too much to have the time to look at fan forums. No - never.

But then again - he really might be this weird. Because he calls us SoLow, he has been here.....
He's a mystery......

[Kickstand]

A Utopia? i wouldn't want to be part of your utopia if it meant someone else gets credit and compensation for something they didn't do. Joyce did not write the music...so he 'deserves' less.

Morrissey didn't play drums, bass or guitar did he? I refer you to the fact that Mike Joyce's name is on every album The Smiths made. Morrissey probably makes a million in a few concerts, so I just don't understand why he doesn't give Joyce what he's owed and put it behind him, he strikes me as incredibly bitter with regards to this affair. It's very much childish behaviour, it just highlights the greed in the music business doesn't it, both on Joyce and Morrissey's part, although less so on Joyce's side as he was pretty much screwed over by Morrissey and Marr.

This whole Joyce thing has sort of made me curious about the music business. I'd like to know how the percentages of the royalties are split in other bands. But how to find out?
but anyway - this seizing his mothers and sisters house thing that Moz writes about gives me the chills. Why, after that, is Morrissey considered the bad guy - I can't quite understand.

Morrissey is not branded a bad person, how do we know what he's like? We can only make assumptions about him, in this situatin Morrissey is in the wrong! He could be the better person by giving Joyce what he's owed and moving on with his life. This whole ordeal does cast shadow over The Smiths, which is a shame, because they were and are one of the best English bands to grace music.

[Danny]

Morrissey probably makes a million in a few concerts

I'm sorry but that statement shows you know very little about how the music business works. Even the Rolling Stones don't make that sort of money.

Mike Joyce currently lives in a two million house in Cheshire. I don't think he is crying too much.

[Kickstand]

I'm sorry but that statement shows you know very little about how the music business works. Even the Rolling Stones don't make that sort of money.

Mike Joyce currently lives in a two million house in Cheshire. I don't think he is crying too much.


No I don't, if you look at my age, you'll probably see why. Morrissey must be incredibly rich either way, I'm sure from the tours he does he must make close to that region?

Whether Mike Joyce lives in a £6million house in Dubai makes little difference, his name was on the back of The Smiths albums, he should get what Marr and Morrissey get, same with Rourke. Joyce wasn't a session drummer, he was one quarter of The Smiths!

Morrissey is in the wrong, he should pay up and shut up!

[lilikoi]

Morrissey probably makes a million in a few concerts, so I just don't understand why he doesn't give Joyce what he's owed and put it behind him, he strikes me as incredibly bitter with regards to this affair. It's very much childish behaviour, it just highlights the greed in the music business doesn't it, both on Joyce and Morrissey's part, although less so on Joyce's side as he was pretty much screwed over by Morrissey and Marr.

I don't know but an individual who tries to seize someone's mothers and sisters houses is quite scary to me. I never understood Morrissey's extreme hatred towards Joyce and his 'whishing him the worst for the rest of his life' but after reading this I certainly do understand. It's pretty sick.

[Suzanne]

Well, it takes a loooot of time to read all these posts. As far as scanning
out nice messages or having Julia deliver them to him, why would he need this ego boost? It's pretty juvenile, isn't it?

Years ago, he had a friend who came here and did that for him. Her name was Wendy Wu. She was a person that Morrissey was spotted in public with quite often and people would write about it because she would shoot fans nasty looks when they came up to talk to him. One day, she had enough of the people saying what they say and wrote a diatribe about it and in the process explained what she did for Morrissey.

She actually said that when she was printing out his birthday greetings that people post on the main page that she had to leave out some pages out of what she gave to morrissey because people slipped in their usual "happy birthday, you queer" sort of stuff, and since these "mean" messages were on the same sheet of paper after she printed it out as the nice ones, the nice messages had to suffer and get thrown away.

She said she was so tired of people saying stuff about her that she would never return here.

[Bluebirds]

Morrissey, a little bit weird??? NEVER:rolleyes:


As for these coments about him getting Bell-Boy to read some gushing diatribe about how useless a guitarist Jesse Tobias is.... well would you bother? I admit it'd be nice to think that he does frequent here but if he did I reckon he'd personally take notes of those who could be a slight menace to his life!

Then again he may use this site as a source of inspiration for his lyrics. I have an idea for a book with this website as a bit of an influence but sadly my wife beats me up and since that "A brief history of time" the batteries in my voice box failed.

[Bluebirds]

Cast a shadow over the Smiths Joyce v Morrissey/ Marr???

Hmm I don't think so as it all adds to the intrigue and helps permit the Smiths legacy to continue!!!

What I wanted to say really was the songs are the important thing. Did Mike Joyce write any Smiths song? NO. But he did drum on them, so he should be entitled to 25% performance royalties?

My personal opinion is that I don't think The Smiths are regarded as one of the greatest ever bands cos of Mike Joyce's drum patterns.

On the other hand the legal opinion is...

[lilikoi]

Cast a shadow over the Smiths Joyce v Morrissey/ Marr???

Hmm I don't think so as it all adds to the intrigue and helps permit the Smiths legacy to continue!!!

What I wanted to say really was the songs are the important thing. Did Mike Joyce write any Smiths song? NO. But he did drum on them, so he should be entitled to 25% performance royalties?

My personal opinion is that I don't think The Smiths are regarded as one of the greatest ever bands cos of Mike Joyce's drum patterns.

On the other hand the legal opinion is...

You know what, I just researched royalties and read more about this case and I can't really say who is right or wrong anymore. Since Joyce only sued for recording and performance royalties and not for songwriting royalties then, yes, it's a bit different indeed and Morrissey might not be completely right after all. But without knowing how other bands normally split these profits one cannot have any valid opinion at all.

[lilikoi]

Years ago, he had a friend who came here and did that for him. Her name was Wendy Wu. She was a person that Morrissey was spotted in public with quite often and people would write about it because she would shoot fans nasty looks when they came up to talk to him. One day, she had enough of the people saying what they say and wrote a diatribe about it and in the process explained what she did for Morrissey.




How would anyone know this cyber-Wendy Wu is for real? I mean, any psycho can say anything on a message board. There's no way of knowing who really hides behind that avatar, is there? From what you describe, Wendy Wu sounds like a rather questionable character.

[duchess_of_fork]

Years ago, he had a friend who came here and did that for him. Her name was Wendy Wu. She was a person that Morrissey was spotted in public with quite often and people would write about it because she would shoot fans nasty looks when they came up to talk to him. One day, she had enough of the people saying what they say and wrote a diatribe about it and in the process explained what she did for Morrissey.

She actually said that when she was printing out his birthday greetings that people post on the main page that she had to leave out some pages out of what she gave to morrissey because people slipped in their usual "happy birthday, you queer" sort of stuff, and since these "mean" messages were on the same sheet of paper after she printed it out as the nice ones, the nice messages had to suffer and get thrown away.

She said she was so tired of people saying stuff about her that she would never return here.

I searched past forums trying to find this post she made but I coudln't find it. I suppose I'm just a little curious...Do you know where it's located?

[Kickstand]

Cast a shadow over the Smiths Joyce v Morrissey/ Marr???

Hmm I don't think so as it all adds to the intrigue and helps permit the Smiths legacy to continue!!!

What I wanted to say really was the songs are the important thing. Did Mike Joyce write any Smiths song? NO. But he did drum on them, so he should be entitled to 25% performance royalties?

My personal opinion is that I don't think The Smiths are regarded as one of the greatest ever bands cos of Mike Joyce's drum patterns.

On the other hand the legal opinion is...

I don't see how two people acting like spoilt mercenaries promotes The Smiths legacy? Sure it gives the band more publicity in the media, but for all the wrong reasons. It gives the masses the opinion that all Morrissey and Joyce are interested in is money, from which they use music as a source of income to be extravagantly lavish! It casts and generates a negative light on Morrissey and Joyce, as well as The Smiths; it does no favours to even of the personnel involved. I agree Joyce should get royalties for performances, but I’d have to say he is entitled to royalties from album sales as his name is on the back of every album, if it was just Morrissey and Marr fair enough, but as it isn’t Joyce is more than entitled to his fair share!

The Smiths were never a hugely popular band because they never jumped ship onto a larger record label that would have commercialised The Smiths a lot more, if you look at all the popular acts and stars of the time, The Smiths are no more than a fringe band at most! Joyce is a decent enough drummer; he helped shape The Smiths unique sound, which complimented Morrissey’s voice perfectly.

[Kewpie]

I searched past forums trying to find this post she made but I coudln't find it. I suppose I'm just a little curious...Do you know where it's located?


http://morrissey-solo.com/features/01/06/28/0354253.shtml

Scrowl down, find a post by aurore george, that's the one you're looking for.;)

[duchess_of_fork]

http://morrissey-solo.com/features/01/06/28/0354253.shtml

Scrowl down, find a post by aurore george, that's the one you're looking for.;)

Thanks! It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be!

[Born under a bad sign]

I am quite new in this forum world, so stop me if you're read this one before...
I was wondering if there were issues in the past of people thinking that a certain member was indeed HIM (Moz, not the band) or somebody from The Smiths.

Is anybody thinking something like that even now?
Any theory?

Bye RS

i have no idea what youre talking about so please excuse me

ive just gone out to meet old friends who care even less what youre talking about


will liverpool or everton win tommorrow?@

[Born under a bad sign]

you know you are right uncsk., it is more fun to play the game. games have always been so dear to me too.
and nice clue/do analogy. LOL! at that!

what a load of tossers

lol

for christ sake wake up and smell the coffee


paul wellers on jools hollan new years eve party


grow up skinny, grow up the lot of ya


what planet are you livingon?

[nightandday]

I think you need to read a bit more into who did what in The Smiths. And also what the real issues were in the court case.

The reason Morrissey doesn't like this site is because in the past there have been false rumours about him which seem to have been encouraged by the site.
I understood very well why he called it SoLow. I stayed away from Solo for a long time because, every time I happen to stumble onto the main site, I found an incredible amount of rubbish there. It's not like that anymore, but do some kind of search through the archives on this forum and try to find old discussions, the ones from previous years. I did that a few weeks ago and I felt really dirty afterwards. :eek: I thought - OMG, the forum was as bad as I remember it. False rumours, gutter-level 'discussions', people insulting each other, disgusting things written not only about Morrissey but about his friends as well (yes, I mean 'disgusting'. Don't make me quote them :mad: ) What has happened in the meantime to make it a nice place it is now?

[Paulc]

Is it a nice place now??

[lottie]

I understood very well why he called it SoLow. I stayed away from Solo for a long time because, every time I happen to stumble onto the main site, I found an incredible amount of rubbish there. It's not like that anymore, but do some kind of search through the archives on this forum and try to find old discussions, the ones from previous years. I did that a few weeks ago and I felt really dirty afterwards. :eek: I thought - OMG, the forum was as bad as I remember it. False rumours, gutter-level 'discussions', people insulting each other, disgusting things written not only about Morrissey but about his friends as well (yes, I mean 'disgusting'. Don't make me quote them :mad: ) What has happened in the meantime to make it a nice place it is now?

This place has been tidied up BIGTIME... it used to be awful, i would stick my head in occassionally but never post it was way to disgusting and nasty.
Gold stars to the moderators/david for getting rid and hopefully keeping rid of all the trolls etc.

As for Morrissey 'in disguise', it wouldn't suprise me in the least
*gets all weak at the knees at the thought of Moz reading her mad senseless posts and going 'aww bless' *.

and whatever he may say about it being SO-LOW etc, he also needs to remember (pay attention moz) that this place kept going the whole time he was without contract and mooching in LA, if it werent for Davidt's efforts i doubt Moz'd still have 1/2 the fans he has.

In fact i think he should make a donation towards the running costs. :D

[Worm]

The Smiths signed with EMI, a major record label. They were about earning money. They were about lots of other important things, too, but earning money was hardly an afterthought.

Ringo Starr's name was on the back of a few album covers, too, I believe. I don't hear his name mentioned much anymore (aside from the odd paean to the immortal comedy "Caveman", natch).

Joyce made his contributions. He was a great drummer and he's been paid accordingly. The post-'87 dispute over money merely brought to light a concern that always existed in The Smiths, and in nearly every other band that ever set foot in the marketplace. We are lucky Morrissey and Marr were as career minded as they proved to be later on, however mucked-up their affairs actually were.

[Lesley-Anne]

Any thoughts on suspicious people or posts that could be the man just poking around here? He seems to be very outspoken about this site...

[WinkWink]

Any thoughts on suspicious people or posts that could be the man just poking around here? He seems to be very outspoken about this site...

I know, but i am not telling. ;)

[duchess_of_fork]

I know, but i am not telling. ;)

you think it's me, don't you! :p

[WinkWink]

you think it's me, don't you! :p

that would be a scandal :eek:

[duchess_of_fork]

that would be a scandal :eek:

it's always the one's who ask....
i'm not "morrissey"..althoug we are all more or less, morrissey in one way or another.
and i am sure his diction is many many times better than mine anyway...

[Lesley-Anne]

So... no new ideas?

I know we are all Morrissey. That is 'The Secret'.

[bruja del bong]

Whoa, i thought this thread was like about a halloween party or something. Way too esoteric for me!

[Zenith Nadir]

My opinion, based on one or two posts from someone with the red telephone.

His lackeys read the page
Morrissey lurks from time to time
Don't think he posts

[duchess_of_fork]

My opinion, based one or two posts from someone with the red telephone.

His lackeys read the page
Morrissey lurks from time to time
Don't think he posts

of course he reads this. i mean, who could resist? no matter how much trash and stupidity can be found in one place, the fact that it is all somehow related to him must intrigue him. it would definitely intrigue me. and seeing how he's of the "older generation" or rather, of the generation that's not as cyber as my generation...this must interest him even more!

[HIM]

[...] I was wondering if there were issues in the past of people thinking that a certain member was indeed HIM [...]

hullo

[Cemetry Gates]

Hey,
I hate to sound like a dying Albatross or a deflated balloon but, I highly doubt that Morrissey comes this site, let alone reads/responds to our posts.

Think about it, we are Morrissey"soLow-ers" therefore, why would he want to associate w/ us?!

He associates w/ people like Jake, Linder, Kristeen Young, Julia Riley, etc b/c of the fact that are not like us and are sophisticated, shy, intelligent people that wouldn't spend hours worshipping someone on a message board. They have more "important" things to do w/ their lives. That's why he hangs out w/ the people that he does. lolololol

[Mars_Rover]

Years ago, he had a friend who came here and did that for him. Her name was Wendy Wu. She was a person that Morrissey was spotted in public with quite often and people would write about it because she would shoot fans nasty looks when they came up to talk to him. One day, she had enough of the people saying what they say and wrote a diatribe about it and in the process explained what she did for Morrissey.

She said she was so tired of people saying stuff about her that she would never return here.

Very interesting - thanks for the info. I had heard that Wendy was a fan, that Morrissey befriended her after she wrote to him or something. But then after awhile she was "dismissed from his inner circle" for some reason, or no particular reason...

[Suzanne]

Very interesting - thanks for the info. I had heard that Wendy was a fan, that Morrissey befriended her after she wrote to him or something. But then after awhile she was "dismissed from his inner circle" for some reason, or no particular reason...

i think it's weird that nobody saw or heard from her again the moment she vowed never to return to this website. not only did she not come here anymore, but the weekly stories about spotting the two of them together suddenly dried up. i think maybe it was her "job" to read what goes on around here and to give him the edited highlights, sort of like how it's Julia's job to put messages on her website telling us what band members are playing on this coming tour.

[duchess_of_fork]

He associates w/ people like Jake, Linder, Kristeen Young, Julia Riley, etc b/c of the fact that are not like us and are sophisticated, shy, intelligent people that wouldn't spend hours worshipping someone on a message board. They have more "important" things to do w/ their lives. That's why he hangs out w/ the people that he does. lolololol

ok...do i have to point out how the bolded name and the underlined definition are absolutely contradictory..
..last time i checked...she runs a morrissey zine and has been to every single show for a couple of tours now...

.........

[Hellie]

Well if you are lurking here dear Morrissey for want of anything to pass the hours....I love you,I love you ,I love youxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:)