Or at least don't care for.

I'll admit to the following that I don't care for:

Aretha Franklin (ugh! Give me Martha or Ms. Ross any day)
Blondie (annoying)

And I'm on the fence about:

Johnny Cash (still need to hear his final album though)
James Brown (yet I love James Chance....)


How about you?

The bloody Beatles.

Bob Dylan (sings like a vaccuum cleaner).

Queen - Bohemian Rhapsody is the biggest pile of shite ever.

Of those mentioned so far I very much like Aretha Franklin, Blondie and latter day Johnny Cash.

I have to back up whoever said Bob Dylan, for me he's possibly the most over-rated artist ever.

I'd add the Clash and The Who to the list of artists that I really can't figure out where their acclaim came from.

Artists I hate?

Famous, well-respected, hall-of-fame-type, legendary artists

That just about sums it up.

Led Zeppelin
Pink Floyd
...and all other fascist stadium-rock music.

However, Bob Dylan and the bloody Beatles are the best and most important groups/artists in rock history... together with the Velvet Underground. I really can't understand how anyone can say anything bad about them.

The Grateful Dead (excepting, perhaps, the Aoxomoxoa album)
The Rolling Stones
The Clash
Aerosmith
Bob Marley (because Reggae is vile)

P.S. does Alex Chilton qualify?

jesus! the clash are WONDERFUL! then just say the friggin' sex pistols if you want to name one!

The fucking Who.

Oasis - leave me stone cold. I just don't get it.

Peter

Neil Young (no matter what you might say, he can't sing! ;))
Bob Dylan
Oasis

Queen
Status Bloody Quo
Dire (indeed) Straights
Simply (D)Red(full)

The Goat

I'll add some more after being reminded of a few (see, I don't even bother thinking about these groups)

The Rolling Stones
The Who
The Grateful Dead
Bob Marley

On the fence with:

The Clash
Barry White (though I'm slowly coming around to him, certainly not in my top 20 soul artists)

More hate everyone!

Calling Pink Floyd fascist is like calling Morrissey a carnivore.

That being said, I would have to say that I dislike Marley and Springsteen.

Since I hate about 99% of music because it's mostIy crap, my Iist is EMORMOUS!.....So I wiII just respond to this thread by agreeing with AII of the above mentioned "artists" except for Springteen and The CIash.

I do have to mention Santana and f***ing EIton John .....VOMIT!!

Calling Pink Floyd fascist is like calling Morrissey a carnivore.

That being said, I would have to say that I dislike Marley and Springsteen.

By saying fascist I wasn't referring to the lyrics... I know their lyrics (at least since '73, especially the '77-'83 era) are anti-war, anti-oppression stuff. I meant that the music was fascist, that is, bombastic, hyper-aesthetic, the kind of stuff that makes dozens of thousands of teenagers hold up their cigarette lighters and sing along... you know what I mean. As you probably know, Roger Waters felt so himself, since The Wall acknowledges these theme (especially obvious in Alan Parker's film). Sadly, it seems that the only solution Waters could find to this problem is to make music that sounds even more fascist... (except for Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking which is saved by Clapton).

I agree with you that Springsteen is overrated, though I don't hate him. Bob Marley is good, though.

Hell no, Springsteen is extremely good! Dylan is overrated too, and Young too...

Hell no, Springsteen is extremely good! Dylan is overrated too, and Young too...

For years I thought that Neil Young is really boring and I couldn't understand what people find in him... then I heard the Live Rust show and it really blew me away. I still think he's a bit overrated, but I kinda like him now. His albums with Crosby, Stills & Nash are also good.

Dylan is God.

Phil Collins
Mariah Carey
Dire Straits
ELO
Robbie Williams
U2
James Blunt

oh, I HATE James Blunt! I just didn't think he fitted within "well-respected, hall-of-fame-type, legendary artists". He's more like in one league with crazy frog to me.

The Grateful Dead (excepting, perhaps, the Aoxomoxoa album)
The Rolling Stones
The Clash
Aerosmith
Bob Marley (because Reggae is vile)

P.S. does Alex Chilton qualify?

alex chilton is AWESOME!!!

there are just too many thou (ima hateful person i suppose...) u2, queen, coldplay, dylan...and on and on and on.

Since I hate about 99% of music because it's mostIy crap, my Iist is EMORMOUS!.....So I wiII just respond to this thread by agreeing with AII of the above mentioned "artists" except for Springteen and The CIash.

I do have to mention Santana and f***ing EIton John .....VOMIT!!
Actually, I'm no fan of Elton, but the new Pet Shop Boys collaboration with him is fantastic.

Tom Waits. Never got it. Overrated stuff for bitter cynics without humor.

I just don't want to spread my hate,but only one won't do harm

Bob Marley

Tom Waits. Never got it. Overrated stuff for bitter cynics without humor.

Oh! I adore him! How can you say he's got no humor?

May I jump in on the defence of Bob Marley and Reggae in general.

Just 'cause Morrissey makes a flippant comment doesn't mean you have to follow it. For me older reggae is absolutley fantastic. A World without 60's reggae would be a lot worse off.

Morrissey was no stranger to early Reggae anyway. Have you not read the numerous comments that both he and Johnny loved "Young, gifted and black"?

I meant that the music was fascist, that is, bombastic, hyper-aesthetic, the kind of stuff that makes dozens of thousands of teenagers hold up their cigarette lighters and sing along... you know what I mean.

It isn't fascist. It allows fascism to triumph.

The same could be argued for Morrissey.

neil young
eric clapton

May I jump in on the defence of Bob Marley and Reggae in general.

Just 'cause Morrissey makes a flippant comment doesn't mean you have to follow it. For me older reggae is absolutley fantastic. A World without 60's reggae would be a lot worse off.

Morrissey was no stranger to early Reggae anyway. Have you not read the numerous comments that both he and Johnny loved "Young, gifted and black"?

We're not all Cods! ;)

I love 60s and 70s reggae. But I still don't like Bob Marley.
I was going to make a thread later with some of my favorite reggae tracks for download to see if anyone liked them.
A world without Dr. Alimantado, Dandy Livingstone, Gregory Isaacs, Alton Ellis, Junior Murvin.... etc etc........ I shudder!

(still, no Bob Marley please! :) )

It isn't fascist. It allows fascism to triumph.

The same could be argued for Morrissey.
You took the words right out of my mouth. The second part of the post anyway. Roger Waters-era Pink Floyd is still among the best rock music ever recorded.

May I jump in on the defence of Bob Marley and Reggae in general.

Just 'cause Morrissey makes a flippant comment doesn't mean you have to follow it. For me older reggae is absolutley fantastic. A World without 60's reggae would be a lot worse off.

Morrissey was no stranger to early Reggae anyway. Have you not read the numerous comments that both he and Johnny loved "Young, gifted and black"?


I've disliked Bob Marley since I was a know-nothing kid of 10 years...I disliked him even more when i turned into a Punk kid...and I still dislike him now that I'm at least a bit more mature and culturized in music...it's not eveything about Morrissey (you know I even eat meat)

well spreading hate i also hate Brian Molko

It isn't fascist. It allows fascism to triumph.

The same could be argued for Morrissey.

I can think of very few Morrissey songs that this could be argued for... the immediate suspect is Life Is A Pigsty (I can't listen to this song without imagining the Scorpions covering it... gosh... not a pleasant thing to imagine). But most Morrissey songs are, in my opinion, too minoric, too flawed (in a good sense) to sound fascist.

I just can't stand Bono and what U2 has become in the last years...Pure mainstream money-maker...

I can think of very few Morrissey songs that this could be argued for... the immediate suspect is Life Is A Pigsty (I can't listen to this song without imagining the Scorpions covering it... gosh... not a pleasant thing to imagine). But most Morrissey songs are, in my opinion, too minoric, too flawed (in a good sense) to sound fascist.

I'm sorry, I must have been running off to pee or something. I sounded more cryptic than I intended.

Morrissey's music is not itself fascist. Most music is not in itself fascist nor does it actively promote fascism. However, the end result of the music-- the impact it makes on our society-- allows the actual forces of fascism to triumph. Obviously I'm painting in the broadest brushstrokes here. Music is an antidote to fascism for many people but the larger trends are much more powerful. The bitter irony is that rock and roll advertises itself as liberation.

I'm sorry, I must have been running off to pee or something. I sounded more cryptic than I intended.

Morrissey's music is not itself fascist. Most music is not in itself fascist nor does it actively promote fascism. However, the end result of the music-- the impact it makes on our society-- allows the actual forces of fascism to triumph. Obviously I'm painting in the broadest brushstrokes here. Music is an antidote to fascism for many people but the larger trends are much more powerful. The bitter irony is that rock and roll advertises itself as liberation.

I smell something here.... and it smells bad.

So if fans flying lighters to Pink Floyd songs is fascist, but thousands of crazed Moz fans chanting "MORRISSEY! MORRISSEY!" over and over again is not, then I see a double standard. However, I personally see nothing wrong with either instance.

macca gets on my wick, heres a macca joke
he bought his ex wife a plane for christmas, and he got her some imac for her other leg x
sorry guys, i had to do it xxxx

I'm sorry, I must have been running off to pee or something. I sounded more cryptic than I intended.

Morrissey's music is not itself fascist. Most music is not in itself fascist nor does it actively promote fascism. However, the end result of the music-- the impact it makes on our society-- allows the actual forces of fascism to triumph. Obviously I'm painting in the broadest brushstrokes here. Music is an antidote to fascism for many people but the larger trends are much more powerful. The bitter irony is that rock and roll advertises itself as liberation.

Umm... well, I must say that saying that the "end result of the music . . . allows the actual forces of fascism to triumph" is even more cryptic than what you said before...

Anyway, when I was referring to stadium-rock as fascist I didn't mean that it was serving fascist forces... it was a little tongue-in-cheek... I mean, well, first of all, just to be accurate, it's anachronistic describing contemporary social trends as "fascist" since fascism is a historical phenomenon and not an a-historical essence. There are certain social trends which romanticize violence (umm, yeah, Morrissey does that too) and have oppressive (in the liberal sense of the word) views, yes, but I wouldn't call them fascist.

And, well, to get to the point, when I was describing Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin as fascist I was referring to a certain type of aesthetics present in their music. Something grandiose, spotless, humorless. I wouldn't go so far to claim that it allows forces of fascism to triumph. I'm more concerned about the triumph of bad taste.

"Fascism" is a specific reference, yes, but it's generally accepted as a term with wider applications. I think what you're objecting to is the way in which the term is often misused, and I agree with you. It does get thrown around a lot by people who want it to mean anything they disagree with politically. Teachers tell their students to quiet down in the classroom and they get called fascists.

At any rate, it was probably useless to make the comment I made. (Perhaps worse than useless, as Jon has smelled something bad.) I'm not saying these bands are promoting fascism in one form or another. Rather, they open the door for unsavory influences beyond the music industry. Rock and roll has institutionalized rebellion to the point where it is controllable by "other" forces.

It's a proof's-in-the-pudding argument. We are now in the fourth or fifth generation of institutionalized, sanctioned rebellion. The ideas and attitudes of rock and roll have permeated every corner of society in America and the United Kingdom, and lots of other nations. So it's interesting to think about the following question: what sort of governments do we have?

________________________________________________

...Vice-Admiral Timothy Keating, Commander of the US Fifth Fleet, and a distinguished Naval Aviator. He was addressing the crew of the aircraft carrier USS Constellation shortly before the first cruise missiles were fired [into Iraq], on March 20th.

He said, apparently borrowing a phrase from MC Hammer, the pop singer [as noted in the Detroit News]:

"Make no mistake, when the President says `Go', look out, it's hammer time. OK, it is hammer time".

Vice-Admiral Keating also said:

“We are going to make the world safer for our children and our grandchildren. There is a good reason for it. It is to save lives – your lives.

… you are dying to get home, as soon as the old man will let you go home.

We have done everything we can to avoid war. We are now going to do everything we can to win war. If and when he tells us to go. Stay ready. The President is counting on you.

Mr. President, the men and women of the Connie Battle Group are by God ready”.

Ironically it was reported that ship's loudspeakers at some point played the Queen song “We Will Rock You”.

Something grandiose, spotless, humorless. I wouldn't go so far to claim that it allows forces of fascism to triumph. I'm more concerned about the triumph of bad taste.

I'll give you that Pink Floyd is grandiose, spotless and humorless (although Zeppelin sings about Lord of the Rings at times for God's sake), but I will disagree with you that Pink Floyd's music is in bad taste. To each his own.

We're not all Cods! ;)

I love 60s and 70s reggae. But I still don't like Bob Marley.
I was going to make a thread later with some of my favorite reggae tracks for download to see if anyone liked them.
A world without Dr. Alimantado, Dandy Livingstone, Gregory Isaacs, Alton Ellis, Junior Murvin.... etc etc........ I shudder!

(still, no Bob Marley please! :) )

One of my all time favourite records is "Suzanne beware of the devil", it just got an ace vibe to it ;)

Bob Marley was around with all those people too though. He just went with a tad more polished sound later in life. I never ever, ever listen to Bob Marley but I can appreciate that he was able to make a good record.

Bob Marley is massively over played but I'm not so sure he deserves a barracking. Much like Abba or AC/DC, he made good pop records. I guess it's all about proportionate acclaim.

Something grandiose, spotless, humorless. I wouldn't go so far to claim that it allows forces of fascism to triumph. I'm more concerned about the triumph of bad taste.

I'll give you that Pink Floyd is grandiose, spotless and humorless (although Zeppelin sings about Lord of the Rings at times for God's sake), but I will disagree with you that Pink Floyd's music is in bad taste. To each his own.

Yeah, well, I didn't mean to offend you (or anyone else, for that matter)... you know, this thread is bound to make people annoyed, since it's all about expressing your dislike for artists that many other people like... I was horrified to see people putting down the Beatles, Dylan or Tom Waits... but I'm learning to live with it... well, I try...

At any rate, it was probably useless to make the comment I made. (Perhaps worse than useless, as Jon has smelled something bad.) I'm not saying these bands are promoting fascism in one form or another. Rather, they open the door for unsavory influences beyond the music industry. Rock and roll has institutionalized rebellion to the point where it is controllable by "other" forces.

It's a proof's-in-the-pudding argument. We are now in the fourth or fifth generation of institutionalized, sanctioned rebellion. The ideas and attitudes of rock and roll have permeated every corner of society in America and the United Kingdom, and lots of other nations. So it's interesting to think about the following question: what sort of governments do we have?

Yes, well, you could say, in a Baudrillardian manner, that rock'n'roll simulates rebellion to hide the fact that there is no rebellion (probably sounds better in French). And I guess it's half-right. I'm not sure it's something new. It could be argued that rock'n'roll's institutionalized rebellion follows the tradition of the medieval carnivals. But, anyway, I think one must admit that rock music did play a subjective part - if only a minor one - in certain emancipatory trends in the western world - the anti-war movement of the '60s, queer pride in the '70s, or the way hip-hop music gave black youth from the American ghettos a voice in the mainstream.

Returning to the "fascist music" subject, I think we have to discern between two different notions regarding rock music's social role. On the one hand, we have the Adornian concept of "real" art having an emancipatory role by itself, owing mainly to its aesthetic values, which, I think, was more what I was aiming at when I made the original "fascist" comment (not to imply that I totally subscribe to Adorno's views - he probably would've brushed off most of the music I like as "culture industry".) Then, we have the more "purely" sociological view of rock music as an instrument that serves deeper cultural trends, which I think - if I got you right - that was what you were aiming at. (Of course I'm simplifying things).

Is the important question "what sort of governments do we have"? Well, it's one important question, though I think it's a little too reductive - it gives the political sphere (in the popular, narrow sense of the word) more credit than it deserves. But, well, I guess we're stirring a little off-topic here... so I'll rephrase my original argument - Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin are crap. (Okay, maybe except for Floyd's '67-'71 era and Zeppelin's first album).

Actually, I'm no fan of Elton, but the new Pet Shop Boys collaboration with him is fantastic.


I hate to have to agree.....StiII hope EIton John dies a sIow painfuI DEATH!!

PS - The new PSB aIbum is great, just got it the other day.....weII worth the buy.

I never understood the beatles i just think they're boring errgh
I love bob marley you can't go wrong with his best of
U2 are utter shit, stupid paddys (being irish i can say that)
I don't mind a lot of music but singers that i can't understand what they're saying in music, mumbling incoherently or screaming incoherently (like muse...don't tell my girlfriend) is a waste....sooound the words out so we can understand you.

I never understood the beatles i just think they're boring errgh
I love bob marley you can't go wrong with his best of
U2 are utter shit, stupid paddys (being irish i can say that)
I don't mind a lot of music but singers that i can't understand what they're saying in music, mumbling incoherently or screaming incoherently (like muse...don't tell my girlfriend) is a waste....sooound the words out so we can understand you.


I think you might be on to something with your U2 remark. I put a lot of their success down to Irish Nationalism. Pretty much everyone I know who's loved them has been Irish. Then again, I do live in Ireland :o , I didn't always though ;) They're over-rated tosh anyway.

I don't mind a lot of music but singers that i can't understand what they're saying in music, mumbling incoherently or screaming incoherently (like muse...don't tell my girlfriend) is a waste....sooound the words out so we can understand you.

Well...I do understand what Bellamy sings :) .

Well...I do understand what Bellamy sings :) .

TEACH ME TO UNDERSTAND?! i just looked puzzled when she played a dvd of them to me..i even asked her and she just said...."flying" or something like that..maybe i'm deaf :confused:

ZZ Top :(

Don't hate me because you didn't think of them first...

What? how dare anybody say something bad about Bob Marley, don't you understand music? That's music in the purest form, best performer live ever, no doubt.

Santana!!!!!!!!

I've always found Marley to be an incredibly lazy artist. Few too many spliffs. Best reggae for me is Toots and the Maytals and Jimmy Cliff. Real sense of fun and gravitas thrown in.

Queen
Oasis
Coldplay
U2
Madonna
Rolling Stones
Beatles

are awful

Rhcp...

Talking about fascist music: Michael Jackson! (But I have to admit that I liked him when I was 10-11 years old)

I am glad to see I'm not the only one who loves 60's-70's reggae. Horace Andy is one of my favorite singers of all time.

I agree that U2 has been shit for a long time, but I really love the early stuff. Their first album, "Boy" is brilliant, and also "October" and "War" have some pretty unforgettable songs in my opinion.

But I'm not much of a hater when it come to music. Hating a band is just not worth my energy. Why not just simply avoid it?

Rhcp...
I love them :D
well their last album was a bit of a let down but the guitarist john frusciante is fucking amazing, very talented young man...good looking too :p

the beatles,
the rolling stones,
Queen,
Bob Dylan,
Mariah Carey (if she fits),
Eminem (again, if he counts),
Bob Marley etc,
U2.

And a few others that i cant think of just for the moment.

Prince
Queen
Elton John
Micheal Jackson
Whitney Houston
Duran Duran
Brooooooce
George Micheal
Sting

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I'd go for The Stone Roses. A handful of half-decent songs doth not a great band make. The production was awful, the singing virtually atonal, the lyrics one-dimensional and John Squire, although a pretty good guitarist, clearly does not understand the meaning of subtlety.

Dylan is overrated as shit, too, though.

Other overrated band (IMHO):

Joy Division - quite good albums, but, again, dire production, flat singing and all the songs sound pretty much the same.

The Beatles - 'nuff said.

The Strokes - every single song the same, Velevt Underground rip-off. Not the best singer, either.

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The Beatles, The Cure, The Arcade Fire, Joanna "Magical Elf" Newsom, Nirvana, Radiohead, The Beach Boys, Elvis, U2...

Bob Dylan, The Beatles, Elvis and Radiohead overrated? NO WAY!!!

ps: I liked that Madonna picture, hehe.

i find quite alot of this new indie bands coming out are so over rated razorlight overplayer overrated and the kooks thier album is so boring and bland

Coldplay, U2, Queen.

Bob Dylan is the most over rated artist of all time. I feel that with a passion. His singing reminds me of a hillbilly.

Next would be The Beatles. This may seem strange but I have never understood what was/is so great about them. Same goes for McCartney and Lennon's solo careers.

Bob Dylan is the most over rated artist of all time. I feel that with a passion. His singing reminds me of a hillbilly.

Next would be The Beatles. This may seem strange but I have never understood what was/is so great about them. Same goes for McCartney and Lennon's solo careers.

Don't worry you won't always be a sillybilly.

I'd go for The Stone Roses. A handful of half-decent songs doth not a great band make. The production was awful, the singing virtually atonal, the lyrics one-dimensional and John Squire, although a pretty good guitarist, clearly does not understand the meaning of subtlety.
:eek:


Dylan is overrated as shit, too, though.
:eek:


Other overrated band (IMHO):

Joy Division - quite good albums, but, again, dire production, flat singing and all the songs sound pretty much the same.

:eek:

The Beatles - 'nuff said.

:eek:

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glad I'm not the only one.... can't stand his whining voice. second whiner: neil young.... brrrrrrr.....

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true nightmare......:eek:

bob dylan sucks

all his songs sound the same

Pet Shat Boys

bob dylan sucks

all his songs sound the same

that wouldn't be so tragic if he could sing - but - ahem - he CAN'T!

Looks like mike joyce has taken over this board.
I can't believe the number of people that reply to his idiotic posts.
We're reaching embarrassing lows here.

Looks like mike joyce has taken over this board.
I can't believe the number of people that reply to his idiotic posts.
We're reaching embarrassing lows here.


sorry for starting a music related thread in the music section

how stupid of me

fuck off you dutch crackhead

sorry for starting a music related thread in the music section

how stupid of me

fuck off you dutch crackhead


Cheers for illustrating my point!

morrissey

Radiohead and Thom Yorkes album was a huge disappointment even though I expected it would be rubbish

glad I'm not the only one.... can't stand his whining voice. second whiner: neil young.... brrrrrrr.....
Some have the same reaction to Morrissey.

Some have the same reaction to Morrissey.

Morrissey supposed whine was away by Hatful Of Hollow and his voice has improved all the time imo. Dylan's voice has just got worse and worse. I don't think Dylan is overated myself but i can understand why some people don't like him.

Dylans' voice of sandpaper and glue is addictive

Dylan is one of the most greatest songwriters of all times

Don't worry you won't always be a sillybilly.

Don't worry you'll find better insults than that

Jeff buckley

u2

Pulp
Kaiser Chiefs
Arctic Monkeys

Jeff buckley

u2

While I'm horrified by the inclusion of Jeff Buckley, all is forgiven by the inclusion of U2. :D

I don't like polls like this because the title is spoken like fact and the content is opinion based. No band is overrated, it boils down to the commercialism they receive.

I don't like polls like this because the title is spoken like fact and the content is opinion based. No band is overrated, it boils down to the commercialism they receive.


a) I don't see a poll here

b) You yourself are contradicting yourself with your opinions in a factual style

c) Of course some bands are overrated, you mention commercialism (which suggests overplayed) - The poster was on about overrated.

d) I don't like what you type

I meant post, not poll, my opinion is that of my own it is not fact and I am not putting in such manner to suggest that it is factual. No band is overrated it comes down to personal opinion, like most decisions or perferences in life. Just because you feel a band is overated doesn't mean that very band is overrated. It's funny how you changed your fourth point from "I don't like you" to "I don't like what you say". I'm not vaguely interested in what you think of me.

I meant post, not poll, my opinion is that of my own it is not fact and I am not putting in such manner to suggest that it is factual. No band is overrated it comes down to personal opinion, like most decisions or perferences in life. Just because you feel a band is overated doesn't mean that very band is overrated. It's funny how you changed your fourth point from "I don't like you" to "I don't like what you say". I'm not vaguely interested in what you think of me.

To say no band is overrated is complete nonsense. Overated means To overestimate the merits of something or to rate too highly. When a human being says something do they have to qualify everything they say by saying "In my opinion"? or "in your opinion"? It goes without saying really.

I have no idea what your problem is.

Your argument is really weak.

I changed what I said as I didn't want to be personal towards you.

Who decides what is overrated and what isn't? It's personal opinion, I could turn around and say to you that I think Belle and Sebastian are overrated, you could say, you're wrong and they're not overrated. Who is right and who is wrong? It comes down to opinion like most things in life. I don't see how stating the obvious is weak? I could say Nirvana is overrated and then two other people say they were never fully acknowledged, who is right and who is wrong? No one, because it is down to personal opinion. You wouldn't of made it personal, I don't know you and you don't know me personally, so I won't lose any sleep over you disliking me or my opinions.

When a human being says something do they have to qualify everything they say by saying "In my opinion"? or "in your opinion"? It goes without saying really.


It does, but you were stating it as though it was fact. If three billion people said Kasabian were overrated does that mean they are overrated? No, it doesn't it mean that Kasabian are overrated it means that those three billion people think they are overrated.

It does, but you were stating it as though it was fact. If three billion people said Kasabian were overrated does that mean they are overrated? No, it doesn't it mean that Kasabian are overrated it means that those three billion people think they are overrated.

and there lies the problem you have....


It is so obvious that when someone says something like an artist is overrated that it is an opinion that it does not even need to be uttered. However, there is sometimes something called a mass concensus of critical opinion that goes against what I have just said... think about it...

I agree that Bob Dylan is massively overrated, what do you think?

However there are certain facts, One being that your points here are pointless.

What tripe.

what's the point of writing in bold?

*is confused*

what's the point of writing in bold?

*is confused*


I agree, without sounding rude perhaps it is his only way to get his ridiculous points across...

Who decides what is overrated and what isn't? It's personal opinion, I could turn around and say to you that I think Belle and Sebastian are overrated, you could say, you're wrong and they're not overrated. Who is right and who is wrong? It comes down to opinion like most things in life. I don't see how stating the obvious is weak? I could say Nirvana is overrated and then two other people say they were never fully acknowledged, who is right and who is wrong? No one, because it is down to personal opinion. You wouldn't of made it personal, I don't know you and you don't know me personally, so I won't lose any sleep over you disliking me or my opinions.

Interesting discussion and I haven't time to read other posts so apologies if I'm covering old ground.
What I think this is getting at is singers/bands/artists who are generally critically acclaimed, and there are quite a few of them. This would include people like Bob Dylan, The Fall, David Bowie, PJ Harvey, Blondie, Beck, the Stone Roses, Nirvana, the Smiths (but not solo Morrissey), Radiohead etc. Artisis who have a body of work which, so the music journalists would have us believe, is pretty much beyond criticism...

Wow, what a great thread of stupid (and often uninformed) opinions that mean nothing to anyone. Lets make a thread about underrated artists and we will see all of these supposed overrated bands be reposted.

u2, except for the humanitarian things bono does.

Wow, what a great thread of stupid (and often uninformed) opinions that mean nothing to anyone. Lets make a thread about underrated artists and we will see all of these supposed overrated bands be reposted.



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The Beach Boys, Madonna, The Rolling Stones (who sounded like nothing but a garage band, by the way), Nirvana, The Red Hot Chili Peppers, Joy Division (They put out a few good sounds, but I honestly like Ian's voice sounds horrible after listening to a few songs and they're down right depressing, not even good at being morose), Sisters of Mercy (I don't much care for the lead singer's voice, but I do like a few songs off the one record of theirs that I own).

The Beach Boys, Madonna, The Rolling Stones (who sounded like nothing but a garage band, by the way), Nirvana, The Red Hot Chili Peppers, Joy Division (They put out a few good sounds, but I honestly like Ian's voice sounds horrible after listening to a few songs and they're down right depressing, not even good at being morose), Sisters of Mercy (I don't much care for the lead singer's voice, but I do like a few songs off the one record of theirs that I own).

Oh, you are SO right about the Red Hot Chili Peppers. A lot of people who otherwise have good taste in music seem to like them, and I really can't understand why.

With reference to the ongoing topic "guilty pleasures", there's a flip side to that, just to double the embarassment - the bands and artists who have obvious talent and artistic integrity and who are liked by people whose taste you trust. But who you just never could manage to actually like. You know, the sort of thisng you really feel you ought to like and perhaps don't even quite understand why you don't, but it just doesn't happen.

Mine:

PJ Harvey: Fantastic woman. Great voice. Music that sounds good. And not a single song I've ever liked.

Portishead: Sombre melancholic songs, check. Great voice, check. Strikingly original sound, check. So, why doesn't anything happen when I listen to it? They don't do anything for me.

Bob Dylan: I've tried. I really have.

Travis: Okay, so they're not in the obvious ought-to-like category, any more than Coldplay or Keane. But everything is relative, and with Coldplay and Keane I at least understand perfectly why people like them, their music consisting of the most easily digestible and radio-friendly bits of U2 and Radiohead respectively. But Travis? I mean, what's the deal? I've given their vaunted debut album several close listenings, and as far as I can make out, there is nothing in there. Zip. Zilch.

cheers

While I'm horrified by the inclusion of Jeff Buckley, all is forgiven by the inclusion of U2.

Oh yes, and Jeff Buckley. :) Except for his cover of The boy with a thorn in his side.

Sorry about starting a new thread, I should have realised there would already be an old one. Anyway, the thing with this in my opinion is to not make into a discussion about who is "overrated", that's not what it's about. It's more a question about there being bands and artists you're just not capable of liking, even if you realise that there are some qualities in their music. We all have them.

cheers

Phil Collins
Mariah Carey
Dire Straits
ELO
Robbie Williams
U2
James Blunt

ELO? It seems kind of random. Did you really hate the harmonies ir is it the lyrics?

Phil Collins is definitely on my list.

Phil Collins is definitely on my list.


You're just baiting me, aren't ya? ;)

What did Phil Collins ever do to you? Or anyone else. He's done singing, you know. (insert joke here) His new passion is the Alamo in Texas. "The Alamo is 'my main thing' as a collector, history buff and possible author". So, back off Buster! :mad::p

You're just baiting me, aren't ya? ;)

What did Phil Collins ever do to you? Or anyone else. He's done singing, you know. (insert joke here) His new passion is the Alamo in Texas. "The Alamo is 'my main thing' as a collector, history buff and possible author". So, back off Buster! :mad::p

I had a bum in NY sing Phil Collins to me the other night. so I gave him some change and told him he had a lovely singing voice. ...i forget the song now though, hmmm

I had a bum in NY sing Phil Collins to me the other night. so I gave him some change and told him he had a lovely singing voice. ...i forget the song now though, hmmm

Easy lover? ;)

Cool, nugz :cool:

Easy lover? ;)

Cool, nugz :cool:

haha nooo

haha nooo

There's a street performer in the subway every afternoon that has an incredible voice. I give him change all the time. He could win American Idol. :D

Oh, you are SO right about the Red Hot Chili Peppers. A lot of people who otherwise have good taste in music seem to like them, and I really can't understand why.

They always sound out of tune to me. I know they're trying to be jazzy and edgy, but they don't quite have the skill to carry it off. There's also an unpleasant "date-rapist"/thug vibe to them that's incredibly off-putting.

I don't hate him but I think Bruce Springsteen is overrated, at least his current stuff is. His singing is very labored, almost strangled-sounding. Not my idea of a good time.

Dave Matthews Band: tuneless and annoying

Beyonce: see above. Beautiful lass, but sings not only off-key but out of time too.

The biggest laugh I ever got from reading the NME was the letters page in 1994 or 1995. Someone wrote in out of the blue, apropos nothing, and said "I know it's considered a classic, but has anyone actually listened to Patti Smith's 'Horses' lately? It's absolute shit". It was an album I have tried for years to listen to and like. (I've developed a fondness for a few tracks, but rarely make it through the whole album in one listen.)

Some others:

Led Zeppelin. Total bewilderment.

Bob Marley. Want to appreciate his integrity, hate his music.

Elvis Presley. Beautiful to look at.

Duran Duran. How? Why?

Prince. "Genius, genius, genius". I'll just be napping in the corner, thanks.

Public Image Limited. A band I like-- but do not love or consider astonishingly innovative, although they might well be.

Sonic Youth. The genuinely great songs they've recorded don't quite make it worth trekking through the desert of their entire catalog.

The Cure. This is so self-evident I can't even be bothered to list a reason.

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Yeah I found that shocking too.

I'd have to go with the following (and it's mostly modern stuff);

James Blunt
Will Young
Madonna
Whitney Houston
Mariah Carey
Britney
Robbie Williams
The Spice Girls
Girls Aloud

and all boybands!!!

Bod Dylan. I've tried. I realise he is regarded as a a poet but I can't get past the nauseating vocals. I am obviously a philistine.

The Red Hot Chilli Peppers put socks on their penises for god's sake. How can that be well-respected.... now if you use a 7" vinyl record.:lbf:

Um plenty of others for sure. The Small Faces being one. The Clash. Bruce Springsteen. Chemical Brothers. I could go on but I won't....

Beatles
Prince :barf:
Sting
Frank Sinatra

Van Morrison is a prick and his music is shite.

Rolling Stones
Led Zeppelin
Beatles
Bruce Springsteen
Sonic Youth
Bob Dylan

I subscribe the "even a broken clock is right twice a day" theory of music--most bands have at least one or two tracks that I'll allow are quite good (which is why I took Elton John and Sting off my original list). But the aforementioned have no redeeming qualities, in my opinion. No, not even the precious beloved Beatles.

--jeniphir

U2, of course
Oasis
Led Zeppelin
REM
Springsteen
Nirvanaaaaaaaaaaa..... bastards!

I don't see how anyone could hate Folsom Prison Blues or Cry, Cry, Cry!!??!:squiffy:

Edit: Oh, yeah, Van Morrison and Sting

Rush :sick:

U2 are shit.

I've never understood the fuss about the RHCP, i could of course just chose Coldplay but they're an easy target.

Coldplay
The Beatles
Jimi Hendrix
U2
RHCP

Love PTxx.

Van Morrison is a prick and his music is shite.

You don't like U2 either, do you? I can't understand how you haven't been run out of Ireland yet. :)

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Some people haven't seen this. :p

h8 is bad :tears:

h8 is bad :tears:

:rolleyes:

Yeah, you watched 'Pulp Fiction' lately?

:rolleyes:

Yeah, you watched 'Pulp Fiction' lately?

no, but I saw "Inglorious Basterds" yesterday :)
anyways, I'll have to come back to this thread another time
right now i aint got no hate :o

The Sex Pistols, U2, Pink Floyd, The Beatles.

h8 is bad :tears:

Anger is an energy. I hate Dire Straits, but I think everyone else does too? Are they in any music hall of fame other than maybe one in Durham? I think George Thorogood is kind of shitty. And Pink Floyd. Always Pink Floyd.

Anger is an energy. I hate Dire Straits, but I think everyone else does too?

I do not hate one of their songs, "Walk Of Life" cuz in high school, they would play it whenever I got a walk in a home game. :blushing:

You don't like U2 either, do you? I can't understand how you haven't been run out of Ireland yet. :)

Ha, I've only noticed this, sorry.

I wish the baying mob would run me out of here, I'm sick of the place!

On topic, I cannot listen to Bob Dylan, Pink Floyd, AC/DC, to name a few.

Van Morrison is a prick and his music is shite.

Don't be shy, how do you really feel?:D

Don't be shy, how do you really feel?:D

I am an inveterate fence-sitter.:rolleyes:

The Beatles

The Beatles

Miss,you need your ears cleaned out.
:p

Miss,you need your ears cleaned out.
:p

Let's just say the Beatles is not really my cup of tea.

I pretty much agree with the lyrics to the wonderful 'Middle of the Road' by Denim when it comes to the so-called greats.

To wit;
"I hate The Stones and I hate blues, Eddie Cochran and blue suede shoes,
I hate the King, I hate Chuck Berry, I hate Hooker I hate Leadbelly,
alright!
I hate funk and I hate soul, rhythm and blues and rock ‘n’ roll
I hate riffs and guitar licks, I hate coke and I hate spliffs
alright!
it’s ok!
I hate Otis and Marvin Gaye, Early Dylan Aretha -hey !
Spector’s wall, knock it down, Jerry Lee run him out of town alright!
- it’s ok!-
There ain’t a lot I can do about it though.
I’m force-fed your so called heroes.
Don’t be told who to like.
It’s your choice, it’s your right to choose who to listen to,
it’s your rock rock ‘n’ roll.
You will find me...
in the middle of the road,
In the middle of the road (repeat to fade)"

Bob Dylan
Any sort of over indulgent classic rock type shite (Led Zeppelin type wank)
AC DC
Pink Floyd
The Beatles
Michael Jackson (Awful. At least Clint Boon refused to play MJ when he died)
Oasis (Awful style of guitar playing, songs sound very similar)

I pretty much agree with the lyrics to the wonderful 'Middle of the Road' by Denim when it comes to the so-called greats.

To wit;
"I hate The Stones and I hate blues, Eddie Cochran and blue suede shoes,
I hate the King, I hate Chuck Berry, I hate Hooker I hate Leadbelly,
alright!
I hate funk and I hate soul, rhythm and blues and rock ‘n’ roll
I hate riffs and guitar licks, I hate coke and I hate spliffs
alright!
it’s ok!
I hate Otis and Marvin Gaye, Early Dylan Aretha -hey !
Spector’s wall, knock it down, Jerry Lee run him out of town alright!
- it’s ok!-
There ain’t a lot I can do about it though.
I’m force-fed your so called heroes.
Don’t be told who to like.
It’s your choice, it’s your right to choose who to listen to,
it’s your rock rock ‘n’ roll.
You will find me...
in the middle of the road,
In the middle of the road (repeat to fade)"

Great song, and I agree with most of the sentiments, if not all of the content. But yes. Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep.

This thread sucks.

You hear that? You hear that?! Because that's what it sounds like when doves cry.

Patti Smith. She read a translation of Illuminations when she was thirteen and has lived off of it ever since.

Richard Hell, Television, The Ramones, The Stooges, MC5, The Pistols, The Dolls, Zappa, Bowie, etc.

Rolling Stones
Led Zeppelin
Beatles
Bruce Springsteen
Sonic Youth
Bob Dylan

I subscribe the "even a broken clock is right twice a day" theory of music--most bands have at least one or two tracks that I'll allow are quite good (which is why I took Elton John and Sting off my original list). But the aforementioned have no redeeming qualities, in my opinion. No, not even the precious beloved Beatles.

--jeniphir

What, you can't find even one or two Beatles songs who are at least "quite good"? You have exacting standards. :) Either that, or you haven't heard enough of the Beatles.

KISS
Pink Floyd
James Brown
Metalica
TOOL

This thread sucks.

You hear that? You hear that?! Because that's what it sounds like when doves cry.

:lbf:

KISS
Pink Floyd
James Brown
Metalica
TOOL

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Dylan made some wonderful songs, and continues to do so(I haven't heard his latest album, but "Workingman's Blues #2" off "Modern Times" was sublime) but he is undoubtedly the most over-rated songwriter of all time.

Oh, and Michael Jackson. WHY?
To misquote somebody, I think all "dance" music is just a sad accident.
His voice is so horribly bland.

The Beatles.

never really liked KISS or The Who

The Beatles.

Seriously?

But they're fabulous, their more under-rated songs are their best songs you know.

They are my all time favourite band.

The Beatles are disgusting. It's just a shame that the other two haven't yet been gunned down. And Yoko, just for fun.

As I said, I can't stand the Beatles either. I find them extremely boring.

I also hate post-Achtung Baby U2. Oasis, never understood the big fuss about them.

Quite honestly, I simply find it hard to believe that anyone who genuinely likes guitar-based pop music can find nothing whatsoever to like in The Beatles, unless they've really just shut the door to it and stopped listening.

OK, if you're a metalhead, or strictly a hip hop fan, or into cruel industrial noise, but as a Morrissey fan? Just makes no sense to me. I'm with EPbabe on U2 though, only I'd make that "post-Rattle and Hum".

Quite honestly, I simply find it hard to believe that anyone who genuinely likes guitar-based pop music can find nothing whatsoever to like in The Beatles, unless they've really just shut the door to it and stopped listening.

OK, if you're a metalhead, or strictly a hip hop fan, or into cruel industrial noise, but as a Morrissey fan? Just makes no sense to me. I'm with EPbabe on U2 though, only I'd make that "post-Rattle and Hum".

Agreed, there'd never been a The Smiths without The Beatles, no doubt.

And as for U2 i'd make that "post-Unforgettable Fire".

Agreed, there'd never been a The Smiths without The Beatles, no doubt.



indeed.It's mystifying how people can like pop music and not appreciate The Beatles :crazy:

Quite honestly, I simply find it hard to believe that anyone who genuinely likes guitar-based pop music can find nothing whatsoever to like in The Beatles, unless they've really just shut the door to it and stopped listening.

OK, if you're a metalhead, or strictly a hip hop fan, or into cruel industrial noise, but as a Morrissey fan? Just makes no sense to me. I'm with EPbabe on U2 though, only I'd make that "post-Rattle and Hum".

I think the Beatles have been massively over-exposed to people, and this turns some against them. Also, indie snobs hate the idea of liking commercially popular music, so will say they dislike it regardless.
Having said that, I don't care much for the Beatles mainly because I don't like Lennon's voice (I find it quite thin and cold sounding) and I find lots (but not all) of the lyrics quite cliched.
But some (if not most) of the actual music they made was just phenomenal. They had two brilliant songwriters plus George Harrison wrote some good stuff too.

If Morrissey's band could make music as consistently melodic, brilliantly arranged, and inventive as the Beatles, Moz fans would declare it easily his very best stuff.

Quite honestly, I simply find it hard to believe that anyone who genuinely likes guitar-based pop music can find nothing whatsoever to like in The Beatles, unless they've really just shut the door to it and stopped listening.

OK, if you're a metalhead, or strictly a hip hop fan, or into cruel industrial noise, but as a Morrissey fan? Just makes no sense to me. I'm with EPbabe on U2 though, only I'd make that "post-Rattle and Hum".

Agreed. For me I don't really find Oasis and Led Zep that interesting given their status BUT I understand why they are both so loved and see their contribution to music history, and of course I can't deny that some of their songs are just plain good if a little dull for me.

U friggin' 2...

Where are these songs that the two 'phenomenal' song writers penned?

They read like the scribbles of an upset ten year old.

I truly HATE Green Day, U2, Metallica and Radiohead.
Sorry Radiohead fans, for me they're simply boooooring.