The quality of songs Boz Booer co-writes is stronger than those co-written by Alain Whyte.
Spencer was the best drummer Moz had but Moz loved Spencer and Spencer did not love Moz.
Spike Smith was a huge drinker and hence no longer on board.
Gary Day was reinstated to the band at the request of Boz who promised Moz that he would ensure Day stopped shagging groupies. Fact.
Morrissey will be recording a single with Mark E Smith from The Fall in the New Year.
The single has the title of "The Poetry Club".

Sinead O'Connor is joining Morrissey on stage at Brixton to sing "Sister I'm A Poet".
John Cale has been approached to produce the new album. A deal will be signed as soon as the Greece dates are over.
As widely predicted the new single will be "Last Of the Gang To Die".

"Mexico" will not be an album track.It will feature on the B Side of the 2nd single.

Pheeew....and after all that I am off for a wee lie down.
ROLL ON BARROWLANDS!

Of Course! Just checking who is awake .

oh right, that explains it.

when you say moz loved spencer, do you mean in a "love that dare not speak its name" kind of way?

> oh right, that explains it.

> when you say moz loved spencer, do you mean in a "love that dare not
> speak its name" kind of way?

Yes. But that's very old that snippet.Not really newsworthy.

yes, well i am a rather new fan. (let's just say it's been less than a year.) i know a lot about moz mythology, but not everything!

>Umm......Sinead and "Sister I'm A Poet?" WTF!! And how do you know all of this? Why should anyone believe any of this? Who are you. I thought the "Deal" was done? John Cale rumor was like 3 years ago. You know all of this but you call the single "LAST of The Gang To Die?" If "Mexico" is indeed the b-side of the second single, what is the title track? When is the album going to come out? Still around New Years? Where the hell did you hear Moz was recording with M. Smith? When will the "Official" world tour start? Huh? Answer!!!!

> yes, well i am a rather new fan. (let's just say it's been less than a
> year.) i know a lot about moz mythology, but not everything!

Ahhh. Well you will soon pick it up because basically we speak about the same things year after year:)

Watch out for a "Is Morrissey gay postin" very soon.

Dear oh Dear Sharron. Such aggression.Is there any need for that? I used to think you were a lady........

i've been on this board for a few months now, on and off! i've seen plenty of those!

> Dear oh Dear Sharron. Such aggression.Is there any need for that? I used
> to think you were a lady........

Well, that's too bad you used to think that because I am a man.........Anyways, you still did not answer my questions? Why should we believe any of this? That's all. Not trying to get aggro. Just slightly curious.

> i've been on this board for a few months now, on and off! i've seen plenty
> of those!

Ha ha! I bet. There are actually some very good people on here but also lots of nutters:(. A lot of the old Smiths fans avoid it like the plague which is a real pity as they had so much to offer.
Of course ...the odd dinosaur like me still pops up now and then and ends up getting slagged to bits by a 14 year old in Vancouver but I am made of stern stuff.

i dunno, there are a lot of cool people here. others, of course, annoy me to bits. i admit, i post an inordinate amount of comments sometimes (when i'm bored), but at least most of what i say is relevant and coherent! you'd think some people on this site were strung out on fucking i don't know what from the retardation evidenced in their posts. and of course, there are others who are just assholes.

> Well, that's too bad you used to think that because I am a
> man.........Anyways, you still did not answer my questions? Why should we
> believe any of this? That's all. Not trying to get aggro. Just slightly
> curious.

I met a man with a big nose who knows and he told me everything...well some of it. But heh! It matters not one iota who believes and who doesn't.It;s Friday and it has been raining in Edinburgh for 4 days yet I feel strangley happ.

...your series of postings a couple of years ago that said Morrissey had a deal and that he was recording in the Wool Hall in Bath?

or are you just taking some info that is fairly common knowledge, a bit of speculation and makingsome stuff up to impress the gullible.

And you forgot to mention you saw the Smiths...twice!

> i dunno, there are a lot of cool people here. others, of course, annoy me
> to bits. i admit, i post an inordinate amount of comments sometimes (when
> i'm bored), but at least most of what i say is relevant and coherent!
> you'd think some people on this site were strung out on fucking i don't
> know what from the retardation evidenced in their posts. and of course,
> there are others who are just assholes.

You're a quick learner Mindy.Anyway...I need to go and get some breakfast.
Best wishes.

Johnny

enjoy your brekkie!

> ...your series of postings a couple of years ago that said Morrissey had a
> deal and that he was recording in the Wool Hall in Bath?

> or are you just taking some info that is fairly common knowledge, a bit of
> speculation and makingsome stuff up to impress the gullible.

> And you forgot to mention you saw the Smiths...twice!

Ha ha!! And they said Trainspotters were dead:). I saw The Smiths 6 times. Twice in Glasgow.
Morrissey recorded in the Wool Hall.Fact.Read his interviews today and you will see that he says he has about 20 odd songs "recorded" ..not waiting to be recorded.
If you knew me even slightly you would know there is probably nothing I care less about than trying to impress the people who post in here. Honestly.

"Morrissey will be recording a single with Mark E Smith from The Fall in the New Year"

Of course I accept this as the truth, the whole truth and nothing butt, however I must say I'm surprised. I have it in my mind that the two don't have a lot of regard for each other. Smith is SO ugly and Morrissey is SO beautiful. Morrissey appreciates the aesthetic - so why get together with ugly, drunk Mark E.Smith so doesn't sing so much as shout? Morrissey loves to sing his own words - I don't think he'd want to record the thoughts of Smith. Don't get me wrong, I like The Fall (Cruisers' Creek!) and loved M.E.S's collaboration with Inspiral Carpets, but working with Morrissey? One of the worst mistakes Morrissey could make I'd say.

> The quality of songs Boz Booer co-writes is stronger than those
> co-written by Alain Whyte.

> Spencer was the best drummer Moz had but Moz loved Spencer and Spencer did
> not love Moz.
> Spike Smith was a huge drinker and hence no longer on board.
> Gary Day was reinstated to the band at the request of Boz who promised Moz
> that he would ensure Day stopped shagging groupies. Fact.
> Morrissey will be recording a single with Mark E Smith from The Fall in
> the New Year.
> The single has the title of "The Poetry Club".

> Sinead O'Connor is joining Morrissey on stage at Brixton to sing
> "Sister I'm A Poet".
> John Cale has been approached to produce the new album. A deal will be
> signed as soon as the Greece dates are over.
> As widely predicted the new single will be "Last Of the Gang To
> Die".

> "Mexico" will not be an album track.It will feature on the B
> Side of the 2nd single.

> Pheeew....and after all that I am off for a wee lie down.
> ROLL ON BARROWLANDS!

> "Morrissey will be recording a single with Mark E Smith from The Fall
> in the New Year"

> Of course I accept this as the truth, the whole truth and nothing butt,
> however I must say I'm surprised. I have it in my mind that the two don't
> have a lot of regard for each other. Smith is SO ugly and Morrissey is SO
> beautiful. Morrissey appreciates the aesthetic - so why get together with
> ugly, drunk Mark E.Smith so doesn't sing so much as shout? Morrissey loves
> to sing his own words - I don't think he'd want to record the thoughts of
> Smith. Don't get me wrong, I like The Fall (Cruisers' Creek!) and loved
> M.E.S's collaboration with Inspiral Carpets, but working with Morrissey?
> One of the worst mistakes Morrissey could make I'd say.

I think Morrissey likes The Fall. He once listed their This Nation's Saving Grace album as his favourite of whatever year it was (84?). And Moz has always had catholic tastes from girl groups to glam to punk to rockabilly- just listed to his concert intro tapes. You don't get many mix tapes with such varying styles.

Mark E. Smith is usually fairly grudging in his praise of other artists- branding many as Fall copyists- but I vaguely remember him reviewing Viva Hate quite favourably for some Manchester magazine- 'Break Up The Family' got the biggest thumbs up. MES doesn't have much time for vegetarians though. One of his more bonkers pronouncements was that veggies ate so much brown bread because it looked like steak!

I would love this rumour to be true, but I'll believe it when I see it. What a Top of The Pops appearance that would be!

So. Now you know... a man on here who likes calling himself Sharron. A bit like the wrestler Shirley Crabtree.
Maybe I should start calling myself Banging em' Davina.

..thanks for the gossip. I'm in Edinburgh working for three nights early November (staying in the Thistle Edingburgh no less -woooo). I've got a £25 a day allowance which I might as well blow on booze, maybe a handjob and a Smiths-packed juke box.

Anywhere fit the bill?

> So. Now you know... a man on here who likes calling himself Sharron. A bit
> like the wrestler Shirley Crabtree.
> Maybe I should start calling myself Banging em' Davina.

> ..thanks for the gossip. I'm in Edinburgh working for three nights early
> November (staying in the Thistle Edingburgh no less -woooo). I've got a
> £25 a day allowance which I might as well blow on booze, maybe a handjob
> and a Smiths-packed juke box.

> Anywhere fit the bill?

A few places Dave.Drop me a line before you come up and we will meet up for a bit. After 15 years of chronic abuse I no longer partake of alcohol but I still know where to go:)

> I think Morrissey likes The Fall. He once listed their This Nation's
> Saving Grace album as his favourite of whatever year it was (84?). And Moz
> has always had catholic tastes from girl groups to glam to punk to
> rockabilly- just listed to his concert intro tapes. You don't get many mix
> tapes with such varying styles.

Yes, he also listed "Lie Dream Of Casino Soul" as one of his favourite tracks played during that HMV signing thingie, didn't he ? and he recommended (g_d, I'm so sad ...) "How I wrote elastic man" in one of the Robert Mackie letters.

> Ha ha!! And they said Trainspotters were dead:). I saw The Smiths 6 times.
> Twice in Glasgow.
> Morrissey recorded in the Wool Hall.Fact.Read his interviews today and you
> will see that he says he has about 20 odd songs "recorded" ..not
> waiting to be recorded.
> If you knew me even slightly you would know there is probably nothing I
> care less about than trying to impress the people who post in here.
> Honestly.

no, they've been saying they have a lot of stuff DEMOED and there have also been threats to go into the studio (and that should have already started this month, but then it got pushed back to later this year).

> no, they've been saying they have a lot of stuff DEMOED and there have
> also been threats to go into the studio (and that should have already
> started this month, but then it got pushed back to later this year).

They do record demos were you not aware of that? They dont just play a song in the studio and then walk out afterwards.It is recorded and commited to tape.
I honestly don't kknow why I bother. I am now executing the kindergarden Goodnight.

Thanks for telling us what you've heard Johnny, although I do wish you would reveal your source so we could judge for ourselves how likely this all is to really happen.
I have reservations about a few of these things, the Mark E. Smith business puzzles me as the two don't get on, although they may well admire each other's work. And after what happened when Moz got together with Siouxie, I'm surprised he would decide to work with someone equally "outspoken".
To those of you discussing the idea of him singing lyrics that Smith wrote I would think the most likely possibility is that it will just be Smith doing a bit of backing vocals a la Suggs and Chrissie Hynde.
John Cale you say? I hope you're right, and it doesn't sound too far fetched, although I think with his current band Moz will really struggle to get a big name producer as they are not well thought of or respected in the industry.
Also, I've heard that Moz has been signed for some time now, for what it's worth.
And on the subject of the Wool Hall rumours from a while back, I should really go and look it up to be certain, but I'm almost positive that the girl who does Boz's website said a few weeks ago that the "recorded" tracks had been done at Boz and Alain's home studios and then sent to Moz to do vocals. I highly doubt that they would have hired an expensive studio with no record company to pay for it to record songs without a producer, and also that there were no independent sightings of any of the band or Moz there.
The bit about Gary made me chuckle though, is that really true about the groupies? Well I'm glad to hear at least someone was enjoying themselves on the tour. Any idea why Moz would care if he was shagging people on tour? That's the whole point isn't it?!
So, in your opinion, is your source someone who is really in a position to know all off this for sure, or is it more along the lines of well-founded rumours?
In any event, thanks for sharing what you've heard with the rest of us.

> Thanks for telling us what you've heard Johnny, although I do wish you
> would reveal your source so we could judge for ourselves how likely this
> all is to really happen.
> I have reservations about a few of these things, the Mark E. Smith
> business puzzles me as the two don't get on, although they may well admire
> each other's work. And after what happened when Moz got together with
> Siouxie, I'm surprised he would decide to work with someone equally
> "outspoken".
> To those of you discussing the idea of him singing lyrics that Smith wrote
> I would think the most likely possibility is that it will just be Smith
> doing a bit of backing vocals a la Suggs and Chrissie Hynde.
> John Cale you say? I hope you're right, and it doesn't sound too far
> fetched, although I think with his current band Moz will really struggle
> to get a big name producer as they are not well thought of or respected in
> the industry.
> Also, I've heard that Moz has been signed for some time now, for what it's
> worth.
> And on the subject of the Wool Hall rumours from a while back, I should
> really go and look it up to be certain, but I'm almost positive that the
> girl who does Boz's website said a few weeks ago that the
> "recorded" tracks had been done at Boz and Alain's home studios
> and then sent to Moz to do vocals. I highly doubt that they would have
> hired an expensive studio with no record company to pay for it to record
> songs without a producer, and also that there were no independent
> sightings of any of the band or Moz there.
> The bit about Gary made me chuckle though, is that really true about the
> groupies? Well I'm glad to hear at least someone was enjoying themselves
> on the tour. Any idea why Moz would care if he was shagging people on
> tour? That's the whole point isn't it?!
> So, in your opinion, is your source someone who is really in a position to
> know all off this for sure, or is it more along the lines of well-founded
> rumours?
> In any event, thanks for sharing what you've heard with the rest of us.

My source is an absolute scoundrel and when she says "Good Morning" to me I look out of the window just to check it is still daylight.
Personally I would not believe any of it apart from the "why Gary Day was sacked" part.
Morrissey had a big problem with the "rock and roll lifestyle" Mr Day was leading.
Boz laid it on the line that he would have to calm down and Morrissey decided to let him back in.
Beats the daily "Is Morrissey Gay" debate though doesn't it?

> A few places Dave.Drop me a line before you come up and we will meet up
> for a bit. After 15 years of chronic abuse I no longer partake of alcohol
> but I still know where to go:)

Will do. I'm up on November 11,12,13 and arrive on the Sunday night. I'll send you an email on the Friday before. After meeting some of the other 'players' on this board it will be nice to add another to the list.

Bit of a shame your on the wagon, mind- I'm in the mood for a bit of Hellraising. I'll just have to smash up the Leeds United Club shop after work and get it out of my system.

B e'D (A sweet hooligan)

Is 'lie dream of a casino soul' the one that slags off mick jagger? Calls him a wank or something.

> Is 'lie dream of a casino soul' the one that slags off mick jagger? Calls
> him a wank or something.

Well, it does mention him ("I'm a Mick Jagger right now/In a tongue-tied, wired state") but I don't think it's really intended as a slagging-off in this instance ?

He does slag off The Stones (and Pink Floyd - and the Internet ...) in "Interlude/Chilinism" ("He is short/They are short/The Stones are short/Mr Grumbly, with a white Ferrari, is short/Giving you hard looks")

I think a collaboration would work quite well. If you listen to MES on Edwyn Collins' "Seventies Night" (from the 1997 "I'm Not Following You" LP), you could imagine Morrissey singing the chorus, while MES rambles on in the bits between about Nazis and telephone taps.

TMF

> They do record demos were you not aware of that? They dont just play a
> song in the studio and then walk out afterwards.It is recorded and
> commited to tape.
> I honestly don't kknow why I bother. I am now executing the kindergarden
> Goodnight.

but won't that be a funny sounding album when you have some of the songs being produced by that guy from the Clash (or whoever it was that you claimed) and then had others produced by John Cale? is the other guy suddenly not available?

> They do record demos were you not aware of that? They dont just play a
> song in the studio and then walk out afterwards.It is recorded and
> commited to tape.
>
> I honestly don't know why I bother. I am now executing the kindergarden
> Goodnight.

Executing the kindergarden? Oh god, not another horrible school massacre! He's got to be stopped! It's not the children's fault Suzanne asked a dumb question, they don't deserve to die!

Thanks for that. I've been listening to that song regularly for 20 years and was convinced he sang 'ah mick jagger's a wank now' but i bow to your superior knowledge. Have a wee listen to it though, pretend you don't know the words, and see what you think. Then again, maybe it's just what i WANTED to hear. And i suppose it just goes to show.......that i need my ears syringed.

Thanks again.