Just curious. Boz doesn't strike me as one who doesn't eat meat. I can see him enjoying some lagers with a big steak.

> Just curious. Boz doesn't strike me as one who doesn't eat meat. I can see
> him enjoying some lagers with a big steak.

i don't know about dean, but the rest are veg

> i don't know about dean, but the rest are veg

...and so they should be

Apparently the whole TOUR is Vegetarian, so they have no choice:

http://www.peta2.org/ot/o-shake.html

speaking of vegetarians, i just celebrated my one month veggiversary last week! meat is no longer attractive to me. i cant even stand grilled tofu because it reminds me too much of chicken. hurrah!

> speaking of vegetarians, i just celebrated my one month veggiversary last
> week! meat is no longer attractive to me. i cant even stand grilled tofu
> because it reminds me too much of chicken. hurrah!

hey i've been veg going strong since july
i have no interest in meat
i'm even cutting back on dairy
i've not once thought of falling off the wagon

i like dairy and without it i'd have to turn to the dreaded soy, which i dislike. so i shant be cutting back on it much. soy cheeze however is good - tangy but good.

my one mistake: i ate a cup o noodles labelled as vegetable flavour. should have read the back because it had dehydrated chicken broth in it. now that's what i call false advertising. i'm sure morrissey will forgive me though.

I just ate a medium rare HAMBURGER topped with BACON. Delicious.

This morning for breakfast, I had egg, HAM, and cheese on a bagel.

Last night for dinner, I had a CHICKEN Burito.

Late night Friday when I was drunk I had a SAUSAGE sub.

I love meat! Horray for meat!

I bet Boz and Gary sneak off when Moz is napping and eat BEEF.

i hate people who get threatened by vegetarians. i mean, yeah, i used to get pissed at fucks from peta acting like assholes and i used to argue with vegetarians who tried to push their views on me, but that's not the type of vegetarian i or most other vegetarians are. we dont eat meat and we dont really care what you do.

clearly morons who are threatened by non-pushy vegetarians feel guilty about their meat consumption. or something.

I'm hardly threatened by you, Mindy. I don't even know you. Nice try being a psychologist, though. I am merely stating some of the food I have recently enjoyed, much like you did in an earlier post. Tough break on the soup packet.

> clearly morons who are threatened by non-pushy vegetarians feel guilty
> about their meat consumption. or something.

i'm not trying to be a psychologist, but it is true. most people who try to show off their meat eating in the face of vegetarians indeed feel threatened.

christ, i should start making a tally of how many times random people make the comment "i hate vegetarians" for no reason whatsoever. when i say "oh thanks, i am one," i almost always find myself in a one-sided argument with them (i.e. them telling me why being a vegetarian is retarded and me just nodding and saying that's nice). i think many vegetarians have had similar experiences.

and i'm sorry if i misinterpreted your post. it seemed pretty antagonistic, however.

I'm now in my 30's. I was a vegetarian for 6 years in my 20's. I was mainly converted to vegetarianism because of Morrissey. I love animals. But I also love the 'taste' of animals. I'm not going to eat my cat, dog or canary, because they are my friends.

The BIG problem is when people imagine that animals have the same inteligence levels as humans. THEY DON'T!!! As cows or pigs are being led to slaughter, they don't think 'ooh! Whwere am I going?? Am I going to Disney Land" etc.. Fair enough. Animals get stressed, I accept that. As someone is strapping electrodes to a pigs head, to stun it, obviously the pig will be stressed. But................ Pigs taste great!!

Animals don't have the same emotions as humans.

When they can, animals eat humans. Why should we be so distressed when humans eat animals?

> I'm now in my 30's. I was a vegetarian for 6 years in my 20's. I was
> mainly converted to vegetarianism because of Morrissey. I love animals.
> But I also love the 'taste' of animals. I'm not going to eat my cat, dog
> or canary, because they are my friends.

If you weren't friends with an animal would you eat it? Say that dog down the street that barks all night, would you eat that? What about if you went to Korea or the Philippines and dog was on the menu, would you dig in?

> The BIG problem is when people imagine that animals have the same
> inteligence levels as humans. THEY DON'T!!!

Interesting point, however is it valid? Would you eat a mentally disabled child?

> Animals don't have the same emotions as humans.

I'm not too sure about this...could you provide evidence to suggest this point?

> When they can, animals eat humans. Why should we be so distressed when
> humans eat animals?

I've never seen a chicken or a cow eat a human. To be honest with you, that's not really the point either. I see it as necessity. Do you need to eat meat as a crocodile/tiger/shark does? Is your body physiologically designed to eat meat? Certain factions would say not.

> I'm now in my 30's. I was a vegetarian for 6 years in my 20's. I was
> mainly converted to vegetarianism because of Morrissey. I love animals.
> But I also love the 'taste' of animals. I'm not going to eat my cat, dog
> or canary, because they are my friends.

> The BIG problem is when people imagine that animals have the same
> inteligence levels as humans. THEY DON'T!!! As cows or pigs are being led
> to slaughter, they don't think 'ooh! Whwere am I going?? Am I going to
> Disney Land" etc.. Fair enough. Animals get stressed, I accept that.
> As someone is strapping electrodes to a pigs head, to stun it, obviously
> the pig will be stressed. But................ Pigs taste great!!

> Animals don't have the same emotions as humans.

> When they can, animals eat humans. Why should we be so distressed when
> humans eat animals?

The point of difference is we as humans are able to choose. We are capable of making an intellectual decision based on facts and information. Animals that eat humans aren't.
Human beings are greedy, selfish and killing the planet they live on. It may sound all hippy/student like but it's the thruth. And a very disturbing truth. I think most people continue in their state of selfishness and stay with these old habit's because they don't want to think about the planet and the life froms on it dying, because this might ask them to look at themsleves as mortal and in danger of extinction.
This lame arguement about meat tasting great is intellectually insulting. Peodophilles would probably argue sexualising children is great too, but who in their right mind is going to sanction this life choice?
We don't need to eat meat to live and we should look into our hearts and make the right decision. This is nothing to do with Morrissey or anyone else it should be a personal decision and an attempt to help an ill planet.

> If you weren't friends with an animal would you eat it? Say that dog down
> the street that barks all night, would you eat that? What about if you
> went to Korea or the Philippines and dog was on the menu, would you dig
> in?

Yes! Almost certainly! Especially that damned dog down the street!!!

> Interesting point, however is it valid? Would you eat a mentally disabled
> child?

Never tried human meat, or 'longpig', as it is called. It's not legal, well, not in the 'civilised' world. If I got the chance, then maybe! Who knows? All depends on the circumstance. There are many situations where people have eaten other humans.

> I'm not too sure about this...could you provide evidence to suggest this
> point?

Well, going from all the research to date, and relative brain size etc,.. I'd say that animals, with the exception of whales & dolphins, aren't anywhere near as clever as humans.

> I've never seen a chicken or a cow eat a human.

Probably because they're vegetarians. Tigers, lions, foxes, dogs, cats, etc.. etc.. 'do'! Look out for animals with canine teeth (they're the sharp pointy ones). Animals, including us humans, who posess canine teeth, are designed to eat meat. Cows or chickens don't have canine teeth. As a side point, cow & chicken was a damn fine cartoon!

> To be honest with you,
> that's not really the point either. I see it as necessity. Do you need to
> eat meat as a crocodile/tiger/shark does? Is your body physiologically
> designed to eat meat? Certain factions would say not.

Well, humans have canine teeth, as I said, as do other 'carnivores'. As humans are widely believed to be descended from apes, and apes eat meat occasionally, then I'd say that humans *are* designed to eat meat. Occasionally.

Have I convinced you?

Probably not, but...................

> The point of difference is we as humans are able to choose. We are capable
> of making an intellectual decision based on facts and information. Animals
> that eat humans aren't.

Have they tried? Is it fair for certain 'vegetarians' to force vegetarianism on their pet cats & dogs? Can those cats & dogs survive on a veggie diet? of course they can, but it's certainly not natural!

> Human beings are greedy, selfish and killing the planet they live on. It
> may sound all hippy/student like but it's the thruth. And a very
> disturbing truth. I think most people continue in their state of
> selfishness and stay with these old habit's because they don't want to
> think about the planet and the life froms on it dying, because this might
> ask them to look at themsleves as mortal and in danger of extinction.

Yes, yes yes..... I'm looking at the basics. If you want to go over the top 'greeny' then that's your choice. Eat veggie if you want, but don't force it onto others.

> This lame arguement about meat tasting great is intellectually insulting.

Ok, today I had steak pie & chips. It was **lovely** . My friend was the chef, I knew what went into it, and apart from as bit of salt, the meat was 100% meat, with **NO** seasonings or flavourings. Fair enough, a cow died to provide me with a **part** of my pie, but what would it have done had it not died?? Walked around in a field, eating grass, for a couple of years? At least it died while it was healthy, & didn't suffer the rigours of old age! I'm sure that wherever it's spirit is now, it's happy that it filled my belly, and made me 'satisfyingly full'.

Animals live on instinct. If they are hungry, they eat, of they have full bowels, they shit. If they are tired, they sleep. They do not *think* as we do. They do not have the same *emotions* as we do!!

When was the last time you read a good book written by a cow?

> Peodophilles........

WHAT?????????? Eating meat is equivalent to paedophilia????????????

>........ would probably argue sexualising children is great too, but
> who in their right mind is going to sanction this life choice?

Don't be so f*ck*ng stupid! only an idiot would equate paedophilia with choosing a non-vegetarian diet! You total & utter fool!

See? That is why vegetarians get such a bad press! Idiots like you, taking things to ridiculous levels!!!!!

> We don't need to eat meat to live and we should look into our hearts and
> make the right decision.

Yeah, ok then! I ****choose**** to eat meat. I like meat!! So get off my f*ck*ng back, and let me live ****my**** life, as ****I****choose! If you don't want to eat meat, that's your choice! But I'm not insisting, or even suggesting that you give up vegetarianism, and embark on a meat diet.

> This is nothing to do with Morrissey or anyone
> else it should be a personal decision and an attempt to help an ill
> planet.

Look, I'm 99% sure that you're a vegetarian, because of Morrissey. You may argue the point till the 'cows come home' (no pun intended), but you've been brainwashed into it. I love Morrissey = I love animals = I must be a veggie.

It's horrendous of Morrissey to insist that his entire entourage be on a strictly vegetarian diet! He has removed all right of choice!

> Yes! Almost certainly! Especially that damned dog down the street!!!

Than I see no reason why you hesitate to eat your own dog/cat/canary. If it is just a matter of friendship, then equally you should feel okay about eating anything (one) who wasn't your friend.

> Never tried human meat, or 'longpig', as it is called. It's not legal,
> well, not in the 'civilised' world. If I got the chance, then maybe! Who
> knows? All depends on the circumstance. There are many situations where
> people have eaten other humans.

As this is seeming to become a conversation about ethics, legality really shouldn't play any part of it. The question to ask is; is it right to eat humans? Why/why not and under what circumstance? And then could and should these answers be equalled to your responses about meat.

> Well, going from all the research to date, and relative brain size etc,..
> I'd say that animals, with the exception of whales & dolphins, aren't
> anywhere near as clever as humans.

Are we talking intelligence or emotional capabilities? In fact, several animals have superior abilities than humans, namely cats, dogs, pigs. If we are going back to intelligence then eating children would be okay with you? If we are sticking to emotions, experimenting on the emotional reactions on animals seems to be pretty common. So one could assume that their emotions are similar to ours, otherwise experimenting on them would be useless and that certainly can't be the case.

> Probably because they're vegetarians. Tigers, lions, foxes, dogs, cats,
> etc.. etc.. 'do'! Look out for animals with canine teeth (they're the
> sharp pointy ones). Animals, including us humans, who posess canine teeth,
> are designed to eat meat. Cows or chickens don't have canine teeth. As a
> side point, cow & chicken was a damn fine cartoon!

Well, that's a contentious issue. One could argue that the back teeth of humans are mainly to be used for grinding plant matter. Our canine teeth are not developed to tear raw meat from bones. Plus our intestine, being longer than carnivores also point to us being herbivores. The fact that our bodies needs fibrous material, namely plant matter in order to push rotting flesh through our intestine also indicates that it's probably best it not be there in the first place (high meat diets have been known to cause of heart disease and colon cancer). In addition to that, the fact that you must change and distort the biological composition of meat in order to eat it and not become ill points to it being unsuitable for our bodies.

> Well, humans have canine teeth, as I said, as do other 'carnivores'. As
> humans are widely believed to be descended from apes, and apes eat meat
> occasionally, then I'd say that humans *are* designed to eat meat.
> Occasionally.

Did humans descend from apes? I don't think they have concluded that yet have they? What evolutionists contend is that apes and humans come from the same ancestor. Who knows what this ancestor ate? As both species, ie humans and apes have evolved over millions of years, is it right to look back at a creature that we only share some similarities with?

> Have I convinced you?

Afraid not.