each year 2.5 million animal are abused and die horrible deaths in this country as a direct result of the leather industry. To make one pair of leather shoes 1 beautiful animal was killed. We can do this by avoiding products that are composed of corpses and other animal parts and not wearing thier skins.


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Yeah, but look at cows! Their footwear is shit, man!

Get with the style, and get leather shoes!!

If you are, then why don't you post your real name? Are you Ingrid Newkirk in disguise? What was the point of your post? Were you trying to get the message out that you consider Moz a hypocrite for wearing leather? I just want to know because if so, it seems as if you are not giving him enough credit.....He alone has probably gotten thousands upon thousands of people throughout the world to turn vegetarian, and definitely at least millions to think about it. I have not eaten meat for 11 years but I still wear leather. Does that make me a hypocrite or a bad person either? I choose to not eat meat beacuse I think the way the meat industry runs business, and treats the livestock for hormone and chemical additives is foul and disgusting. And I do not enjoy it. I am rather impartial to it''s taste, etc......I have also suppoted PETA throughout the past. I give money through work programs rather than giving to the horid March Of Dimes(March Of Death), etc. But I still wear leather. So..........do you want to send my money back or something? You should consider yourselves lucky that someone with such a high public profile supports you and gets an important message out to millions of young people all over the world through his amazing music, both now, and as The Smiths. Would you please reply here, because I still don't understand the exact point your message is trying to prove. Is it meant as guilt-trip perhaps? Because i would think that you would have better things to do than come to a Morrissey message board and try to demean what he stands for, whether you feel he is a hypocrit or not.......? And if you are really not from PETA, then don't even bother and don't try to represent an organization you are not officially affiliated with. Thanks.

Greg

> If you are, then why don't you post your real name? Are you Ingrid Newkirk
> in disguise? What was the point of your post? Were you trying to get the
> message out that you consider Moz a hypocrite for wearing leather? I just
> want to know because if so, it seems as if you are not giving him enough
> credit.....

You can't read Morrissey's recent PETA interview ("Don't kill anything") without thinking he's at least a mild hypocrite if he wears leather (if he still does wear leather). I'm not really attacking the guy on it, but it is a valid comment for someone to make.

Ya maybe, but my point is that he has gotten the idea of "Vegetarianism" out to an enourmous amount of people through his music, which is something that should be commended either way. When people see the phrase "Meat Is Murder," most still associate it to The Smiths, even those whom have never listened to them. That I know for a fact. Whether you, or I, or whomever consider him a hypocrite, is really irrelivant. His influence on peoples' thinking about where meat comes from is what is important.

> Ya maybe, but my point is that he has gotten the idea of
> "Vegetarianism" out to an enourmous amount of people through his
> music, which is something that should be commended either way. When people
> see the phrase "Meat Is Murder," most still associate it to The
> Smiths, even those whom have never listened to them. That I know for a
> fact. Whether you, or I, or whomever consider him a hypocrite, is really
> irrelivant. His influence on peoples' thinking about where meat comes from
> is what is important.

Oh, absolutely, he's been tremendous in getting people to consider the issue.

I'm a vegetarian, but I'm not even as pure about it as Morrissey.

But it's still a valid issue to raise.

>Your friends keep my trousers up and my feet safe

Yeah, but look at cows! Their footwear is shit, man!

> Get with the style, and get leather shoes!!

It's valid to raise, but not as a slam against the man and what he's achieved for the movement. End of story.

> Oh, absolutely, he's been tremendous in getting people to consider the
> issue.

> I'm a vegetarian, but I'm not even as pure about it as Morrissey.

> But it's still a valid issue to raise.

I agree. It is a valid point, and I value the "spokesperson's" opinion. Everyone should be allowed to express themselves, and the fight for animal rights is something everyone should be involved in. I do my part to not contribute to animal cruelty and donate to several organizations, PETA included. I also know I can always do more.

That having been said, I must defend MOZ. Could it be that he is a person who, like most of us, falls somewhere on the scale between two extremes? The bottom line is that he has been a tremendous spokesman for vegetarianism. He might wear leather shoes, but it doesn't make what he has done or what he stands for any less meaningful. I think it becomes all too easy to nit-pick celebrities to death. I mean, do we chastise him for eating cheese and yogurt too? Let's give him a break. He has done more than most- and I applaud him for that. GO MOZ! My cats and I love you!

Thanks for raising the subject. Hopefully, it has reiterated the importance of this issue to everyone.

Now I'm off to eat my veggie omelette and listen to Viva Hate....again.

> That having been said, I must defend MOZ. Could it be that he is a person
> who, like most of us, falls somewhere on the scale between two extremes?
> The bottom line is that he has been a tremendous spokesman for
> vegetarianism. He might wear leather shoes, but it doesn't make what he
> has done or what he stands for any less meaningful.

I'd agree with you 100%...like I said, I'm not even as pure as Morrissey.
But in the EVERDAY IS LIKE SUNDAY video, the girl follows two old ladies wearing furs, writes on a card "cruelty without beauty," self-righteously tosses it on a table in front of one of them, knocks her coat on the ground, and frees her dog (who probably got run over by a car!). Is that what he advocates we do? If it is, while at the same time wearing leather, is it wrong for someone to do the same thing to him? At least the old ladies have the excuse of being stuck in their ways and probably never having thought
about where their coats came from.

My recollection may be wrong, but wasn't Morrissey's excuse about leather that it's his "vanity"? And he left it at that, as if he wanted to brush the question off? Is that enough for a public spokesman for animal rights? That he gets to bend his own rules when he finds it stylish, but anyone else who's not perfect has to get harassed and lectured? Is the rumor true that Morrissey won't allow any meat in the venues he plays at? Like, some regular joe who happens to work a crap job at a venue, he can't have his usual burger in peace because some rock star is in town who will throw a fit? Even though this star is walking around in leather?

My personal view is I can only be vegetarian up to a point, and I'm never gonna be a vegan like PETA would like me to be. Veganism, to me, is a religion which takes it to a silly level. But nevertheless, I like what PETA does, because however unrealistic their dream is, they do get people thinking about animal cruelty, and have encouraged lots of people to try and start minimizing it. And yes, I consume dairy, but PETA is not inaccurate that dairy is like rape (I saw someone commenting on that here). You should see what they do to cows to get milk. It's totally fucking rape. And even though I like dairy products, I'm fucking thankful to PETA I know about this stuff, because even if we don't get rid of dairy products, we can minimize the harm associated with it. Thanks to PETA, I cut out milk on my cereal entirely, and opt for Silk vanilla soy milk. And I like it more!

But I don't go around throwing self-righteous postcards on strangers' laps, or forcing people I don't know to not eat something they want when I'm in THEIR building. And if I did, and I wasn't perfect my damn self, I'd be a hypocrite.

> I agree. It is a valid point, and I value the "spokesperson's"
> opinion. Everyone should be allowed to express themselves, and the fight
> for animal rights is something everyone should be involved in. I do my
> part to not contribute to animal cruelty and donate to several
> organizations, PETA included. I also know I can always do more.

> That having been said, I must defend MOZ. Could it be that he is a person
> who, like most of us, falls somewhere on the scale between two extremes?
> The bottom line is that he has been a tremendous spokesman for
> vegetarianism. He might wear leather shoes, but it doesn't make what he
> has done or what he stands for any less meaningful. I think it becomes all
> too easy to nit-pick celebrities to death. I mean, do we chastise him for
> eating cheese and yogurt too? Let's give him a break. He has done more
> than most- and I applaud him for that. GO MOZ! My cats and I love you!

> Thanks for raising the subject. Hopefully, it has reiterated the
> importance of this issue to everyone.

> Now I'm off to eat my veggie omelette and listen to Viva Hate....again.
If Morrissey owns leather belts,shoes, chairs, and eats eggs this is all against what PETA advocates.

Actually I think PETA are a bunch of hypocrites for allowing someone who doesn't share their extreme views to be interview. Morrissey seems to be just a vegetarian(although has done a lot for the cause)
PS. I thought I read somewhere that Morrissey is for womans rights and putting only woman in cage was not was the feminest movement was all about. I would like to see some naked guys in cages.;0P