Accepting that lyricists are poets, it strikes me that Eminem is a natural successor to Moz and possibly superior. This is due to Eminem being:

1) More direct and emotionally honest.

2) More willing to bear his innermost feelings, eg as regards his mother.

3) Better able to make use of post-modern irony.

Indeed, this can be seen more effectively by juxtoposing, and indeed, comparing the following lines:

"Go lick some pussy, you f**king bitch..."

"You pleaded and squealed, and you think you've won, but sorrow will come to you in the end....I praise the day that brings you pain..."

The latter, by Morrissey, is too long-winded and this mutes the anger - rendering a sense of textual impotence to the cathartic process. However the Eminem lyric uses such direct, primal force as to exeplify the meaning directly - in a strikingly clever way. One really feels Eminem's pain at his mother's sexual promiscuity.

Assuming you're being serious.

Since when does emotional honesty or directness equate to "better"? Anybody can tell it like it is. But it takes craft and skill to create interesting poetry. And not everybody's clever nowadays.

How dare you even begin to compare that spaz with Moz?

> Accepting that lyricists are poets, it strikes me that Eminem is a natural
> successor to Moz and possibly superior. This is due to Eminem being:

> 1) More direct and emotionally honest.

> 2) More willing to bear his innermost feelings, eg as regards his mother.

> 3) Better able to make use of post-modern irony.

> Indeed, this can be seen more effectively by juxtoposing, and indeed,
> comparing the following lines:

> "Go lick some pussy, you f**king bitch..."

> "You pleaded and squealed, and you think you've won, but sorrow will
> come to you in the end....I praise the day that brings you pain..."

> The latter, by Morrissey, is too long-winded and this mutes the anger -
> rendering a sense of textual impotence to the cathartic process. However
> the Eminem lyric uses such direct, primal force as to exeplify the meaning
> directly - in a strikingly clever way. One really feels Eminem's pain at
> his mother's sexual promiscuity.

You know, you're sooo right. You're a musical GENIOUS! If it wasn't for your pointing out of Eminem's exceptoinal lyracism and poetry, I would never have realized how truly sensitive Eminem is! Why he's as soft as a pussy cat. Thank you, Sparacus, thank you. You have opened my eyes.

> Assuming you're being serious.

He's not! Forget about it all, you're falling right into his trap!

> Since when does emotional honesty or directness equate to
> "better"? Anybody can tell it like it is. But it takes craft and
> skill to create interesting poetry. And not everybody's clever nowadays.

> How dare you even begin to compare that spaz with Moz?

See "Apples and Oranges"

> How dare you even begin to compare that spaz with Moz?

Hey. This forum is or intelligent analysis and discussion. Bringing in other artists for comparative analysis is a legitimate form of discourse. You however can only manage the term 'spaz', which no doubt stretched your brain cells to the limit.

> Assuming you're being serious.

> Since when does emotional honesty or directness equate to
> "better"? Anybody can tell it like it is. But it takes craft and
> skill to create interesting poetry. And not everybody's clever nowadays.

The problem with the kind of poetry you favour is it may indeed have 'craft' or 'skill' - but lacks passion, sensitivity or vision - the true essence of poetry. Tis can be seen by comparing, and indeed analysing the following lyrics:

"My faggot father walked away..."

"Now I know how Joan of Arc felt... as the flames rose to her Roman nose and her walkman started to melt.."

The former, by Eminem, takes the listener by surprise - enriching him with a sense of despair and pain. Eminem 's sensitivity in the face of his father's abandoning him is not only sensed - it is FELT. The latter lyric, by Morrissey, is too long-winded and conveys only a mild amusement at the skillful wordplay. It has craft but lacks sensitivity & passion.

Hugga mugga chugga lugga humbugga boom chit

Your invitation to that challenge is pointless. HELLO!

"My faggot father walked away..."

"Go lick some pussy, you f**king bitch..."

" Me I diss no one..."

"Remember when he died and you wished it was me... you f**king bitch..."

Ahh, but I didn't indicate that I favor any type of poetry. I do feel Em is a passionate poet and a gifted rapper. But the point is that you don't need to "analyze" his poetry. It's front & center. Nothing captivating. And that type of over-the-head writing doesn't take you by surprise. If anything, you're expecting it. Surprise is the chainsaw (or motorbike) at the beginning of Speedway. Em Passionate? Maybe. But passion like Jenna Jameson. And passion like a riced' up Honda Prelude.

I prefer a different type of passion. I'd rather have Natalie Portman and an S2000.

I laughed good and hard...do I sense some sarcasm? Thank you. This brightened my day. "Go lick some pussy."

> Accepting that lyricists are poets, it strikes me that Eminem is a natural
> successor to Moz and possibly superior. This is due to Eminem being:

> 1) More direct and emotionally honest.

> 2) More willing to bear his innermost feelings, eg as regards his mother.

> 3) Better able to make use of post-modern irony.

> Indeed, this can be seen more effectively by juxtoposing, and indeed,
> comparing the following lines:

> "Go lick some pussy, you f**king bitch..."

> "You pleaded and squealed, and you think you've won, but sorrow will
> come to you in the end....I praise the day that brings you pain..."

> The latter, by Morrissey, is too long-winded and this mutes the anger -
> rendering a sense of textual impotence to the cathartic process. However
> the Eminem lyric uses such direct, primal force as to exeplify the meaning
> directly - in a strikingly clever way. One really feels Eminem's pain at
> his mother's sexual promiscuity.

Never was a thug, just infatuated with guns, never was a gangsta, till i graduated to one/and got the rep of a villain, for weapon, concalin'. took the image of a thug, kept shit appealin'/willin' to stick out my neck, for respect if it meant life or death, never live to regret what I said/when you are me, people just want to see, if its true, if its you, what you say in your raps, what you do.

Eminem says things for shock value. He once claimed to have Tourettes. He says things to hurt people and sell records. He turns around and claims, he's not like the guy the public see's in real life. Yet, he loves to cause problems and slam other artists, and homosexuals etc... I see it this way- My children are 7 and 3. They LOVE Morrissey and The Smiths. I would NOT let them have Eminem. There really is no contest here. Eminem just sells records for now, he won't last. Morrissey is a true poet, who obviously will be around a long long time. I think if their were more Morrissey fans out there, instead of Eminem, maybe their would be a little less violence out there. I'm NOT saying Morrissey's music will heal the world, i'm just saying I'd rather listen to poetry than "Bitch this and Bitch that etc..."
again, just MY little opinion.
Grimace

> "Go lick some pussy, you f**king bitch..."

However
> the Eminem lyric uses such direct, primal force as to exeplify the meaning
> directly - in a strikingly clever way. One really feels Eminem's pain at
> his mother's sexual promiscuity.

You think this was clever? Are you ill? And where did you lose the "t"?

I find that people take Eminem way too seriously. I don't know if it's because he's a white rapper, or people are way too uptight or what. He usually has maybe three really good songs on his albums, and the rest is usually crap. But I just don't see why people take him seriously- he's a stand up comedian with a beat behind him.