In the 1980s, it was understandable why a gay artist would want to keep his sexuality 'ambiguous'. But this is 2002! George Michael is out & proud and Morrissey looks increasingly anachronistic and more than a little 'sad'.
I mean - Jeez - why the hell would an 'indie' artist like Moz want to appear more conservative than George Michael? Grow up Morrissey! And join the modern world!

He's never been in the closet, he's said right from the beginning, time and time again that he's bisexual. That isn't the same as gay, which is why he doen't SAY he's gay. I don't know why everyone acts like it's some big mystery, some secret that he won't admit to. He's always been straightforward about it. I guess people don't like that because a person who's openly bi isn't nearly as 'scandalous' as a homosexual who tries to keep it a secret - which incidently a person has every right to do, it's no one's business but their own. Yes, even celebritiies are entitled to just as much privacy as anyone else is!

> He's never been in the closet, he's said right from the beginning, time
> and time again that he's bisexual. That isn't the same as gay, which is
> why he doen't SAY he's gay. I don't know why everyone acts like it's some
> big mystery, some secret that he won't admit to. He's always been
> straightforward about it. I guess people don't like that because a person
> who's openly bi isn't nearly as 'scandalous' as a homosexual who tries to
> keep it a secret - which incidently a person has every right to do, it's
> no one's business but their own. Yes, even celebritiies are entitled to
> just as much privacy as anyone else is!

Hes more often said hes a-sexual, than bi-sexual, ie, sex with either male or female is not for him, rather than sex with either gender is for him.

> In the 1980s, it was understandable why a gay artist would want to keep
> his sexuality 'ambiguous'. But this is 2002! George Michael is out &
> proud and Morrissey looks increasingly anachronistic and more than a
> little 'sad'.
> I mean - Jeez - why the hell would an 'indie' artist like Moz want to
> appear more conservative than George Michael? Grow up Morrissey! And join
> the modern world!

Looking at your postings it seems that you are really into artists becoming more mainstrean which, according to you, would give them some validity. But Morrissey isn't mainstream material which is why I happen to like him. Morrissey making some big announcement that he's gay, like Rosey O'Donnel, may please louts like you but perhaps he doesn't seek that kind of press because it's NO ONES business...not even his fan's...that's not what's important, it's his music that matters.

> He's never been in the closet, he's said right from the beginning, time
> and time again that he's bisexual. That isn't the same as gay, which is
> why he doen't SAY he's gay. I don't know why everyone acts like it's some
> big mystery, some secret that he won't admit to. He's always been
> straightforward about it. I guess people don't like that because a person
> who's openly bi isn't nearly as 'scandalous' as a homosexual who tries to
> keep it a secret - which incidently a person has every right to do, it's
> no one's business but their own. Yes, even celebritiies are entitled to
> just as much privacy as anyone else is!

Morrissey has never, to my knowledge, even used the word 'bisexual' in an interview. He clouds the issue with vague comments like ' I've moved beyond umbrella sexuality'.
Again, I find it nauseating that the onetime indie rebel is less open than the manufactured George Michael.

> Hes more often said hes a-sexual, than bi-sexual, ie, sex with either male
> or female is not for him, rather than sex with either gender is for him.

Exactly. He clouds the issue. Nobody is 'asexual' unless they are impotent. Morrissey lives in the past .

> And join
> the modern world!

You could just join the modern world and respect the man's privacy!
Sheesh!!

> Looking at your postings it seems that you are really into artists
> becoming more mainstrean which, according to you, would give them some
> validity. But Morrissey isn't mainstream material which is why I happen to
> like him. Morrissey making some big announcement that he's gay, like Rosey
> O'Donnel, may please louts like you but perhaps he doesn't seek that kind
> of press because it's NO ONES business...not even his fan's...that's not
> what's important, it's his music that matters.

Oh perlease! You accuse me of wanting to turn Morrissey 'mainstream'. Since when did covering up your sexuality in order to sell more records constitute being cutting edge or avant garde? As for me being a "lout" - this may be true, but I'm a sweet & tender lout.

> Exactly. He clouds the issue. Nobody is 'asexual' unless they are
> impotent. Morrissey lives in the past .

a-sexual as in happilly celibate. neither choosing to have intimate relationships with males or females.

> Hes more often said hes a-sexual, than bi-sexual, ie, sex with either male
> or female is not for him, rather than sex with either gender is for him.

You are right in that I don't recall him using the word 'bisexual' to describe himself publicly, and he would probably object to being labelled anything, but what I meant that was that he's said many times over the years that he is attracted to both men and women, and has had experiences with both. As for your assertion that "sex with either male or female is not for him", the whole celibate thing has been blown way out of proportion, he only mentioned that very early on and stated several times that he regretted ever bringing it up in the first place. People are still going on about it like he said it yesterday, when in fact he has been saying for years and years that he is not celibate and does understand and in fact HAVE sexual feelings, desires, and encounters. He has been in the public eye for the last twenty years, is it really surprising that he has changed and grown over the years? Everyone else does, why should he forever be pigeon-holed as the person he was when all this started?

seems alot of people are desperate for him to be gayer than a gay thing in gaysville. Does it matter that much?

> seems alot of people are desperate for him to be gayer than a gay thing in
> gaysville. Does it matter that much?

It matters as a reflection of his relevence. Morrissey is seen as outdated by the under 30s and his failure to be open about himself adds to this.

> Since when did covering up your sexuality in order to sell more records
> constitute being cutting edge or avant garde?

Do you actually think that if he 'covers up his sexuality' that it would be to sell more records rather than because he'd like to keep his private life and intimate details private? For a start, in my opinion he has been quite open about his sexuality, and if he doesn't choose to be as forthcoming with personal details as you would like, so what, he has every right to keep his personal life to himself just as you do. Just because he doesn't make a categorical statement defining his sexuality doesn't mean he is 'hiding' anything, it's none of our damn business! And he is, as we all know, an extremely private person, so it's hardly surprising that he keeps certain things to himself. And frankly, even if he was gay and the only reason he didn't tell the world was because he was afraid it would have a negative effect on his career, that would be fair enough really, it's his career, and I just think it's a sad reflection of the world we live in that an artist has to worry that being gay would make them less popular. If you want to get worked up about something, why not that?

Well that's strange, I'm 26 and I don't think that.... oh I know, maybe you CAN'T GENERALISE LIKE THAT!!!

> It matters as a reflection of his relevence. Morrissey is seen as outdated
> by the under 30s and his failure to be open about himself adds to this.

perhaps he should say hes into beastiality to become more hip,
Or maybe necrophilia - thats a dead good idea!

> Do you actually think that if he 'covers up his sexuality' that it would
> be to sell more records rather than because he'd like to keep his private
> life and intimate details private? For a start, in my opinion he has been
> quite open about his sexuality, and if he doesn't choose to be as
> forthcoming with personal details as you would like, so what, he has every
> right to keep his personal life to himself just as you do. Just because he
> doesn't make a categorical statement defining his sexuality doesn't mean
> he is 'hiding' anything, it's none of our damn business! And he is, as we
> all know, an extremely private person, so it's hardly surprising that he
> keeps certain things to himself. And frankly, even if he was gay and the
> only reason he didn't tell the world was because he was afraid it would
> have a negative effect on his career, that would be fair enough really,
> it's his career, and I just think it's a sad reflection of the world we
> live in that an artist has to worry that being gay would make them less
> popular. If you want to get worked up about something, why not that?

You are missing the point. This is not the 1950s. There is no reason for someone to be s obsessively private about their homosexuality. Young people regard that as pathetic. Morrissey made his name as a radical artist - aka "The Queen is Dead" and "Margaret on the Guillotine". Yet George Michael & Elton John - who were MAINSTREAM in the 80s are now far more radical than Morrissey.

George Michael and Elton John are mainstream pop stars. For 'mainstream' read inoffensive fun for mums, dads and all the family. Radical ? If you think being gay is radical, maybe you are the one living in the 1950s. If you are so interested in Moz's sexuality, take note of the fact that he said he couldn't read Kenneth Williams diaries as they were 'too painful'. No-one has ever came forward and said that Moz is anything other than celibate, which can only mean he is telling the truth, unless you can prove otherwise.

> You are missing the point. This is not the 1950s. There is no reason for
> someone to be s obsessively private about their homosexuality. Young
> people regard that as pathetic. Morrissey made his name as a radical
> artist - aka "The Queen is Dead" and "Margaret on the
> Guillotine". Yet George Michael & Elton John - who were
> MAINSTREAM in the 80s are now far more radical than Morrissey.

> You are missing the point. This is not the 1950s. There is no reason for
> someone to be s obsessively private about their homosexuality. Young
> people regard that as pathetic. Morrissey made his name as a radical
> artist - aka "The Queen is Dead" and "Margaret on the
> Guillotine". Yet George Michael & Elton John - who were
> MAINSTREAM in the 80s are now far more radical than Morrissey.

a) He is obsessively private about EVERYTHING to do with his life, not just his sexuality. In fact in light of how highly he values privacy, I think he has been very open about sexual issues.

b) As far as anyone can tell from reading his interviews over the years, and without getting a personal answer from Morrissey, he is bisexual, not gay. He says he's attracted to both men and women. That is about as clear as you can get without actually using the word 'bi'.

c) If he doesn't want to discuss his sexuality, that's not being 'obsessively private', it's pretty normal as far as I'm concerned. IT'S NONE OF OUR BUSINESS.

Morrissey is gay, but he doesnt want his mum to know. He will come out when she dies, but he feels shameful about it and doesnt want her to know

> Morrissey is gay, but he doesnt want his mum to know. He will come out
> when she dies, but he feels shameful about it and doesnt want her to know

Ah, the weekly "gay" argument. Never fails to raise a smile...:)

> In the 1980s, it was understandable why a gay artist would want to keep
> his sexuality 'ambiguous'. But this is 2002! George Michael is out &
> proud and Morrissey looks increasingly anachronistic and more than a
> little 'sad'.
> I mean - Jeez - why the hell would an 'indie' artist like Moz want to
> appear more conservative than George Michael? Grow up Morrissey! And join
> the modern world!
Hey, ooohhh you called me shit. your gay because you listen to the music of some gay guy morissey and your a guy and your girlfriend ho are you is a slut.

Because he's Mexican, baby!!

> You are missing the point. This is not the 1950s. There is no reason for
> someone to be s obsessively private about their homosexuality. Young
> people regard that as pathetic. Morrissey made his name as a radical
> artist - aka "The Queen is Dead" and "Margaret on the
> Guillotine". Yet George Michael & Elton John - who were
> MAINSTREAM in the 80s are now far more radical than Morrissey.

May I ask...do you have any experience in the real world of business? You don't know the damage announcing you are gay can have on your career. In MOST states across the US, you have NO protection against being fired for being homosexual. You're gay, you're fired and there's not a damn thing you can do about. Do straight people even realize that that's the way it is in most of the "united" states, even today?

Hollywood has their token gays aka Will & Grace, but then even "Will" is straight in real life. The only true gay person represented on that show is the stereotypical flaming queen. Not the 1950's but the sterotypes are still ever present.

Remember 'Ellen'? She announced she was gay then POOF, her show gets cancelled. Rosey O'Donnell...same thing. Ricky Martin? Why'd his popularity plummet so quickly?..everyone found out he was gay. You mentioned George Michael. What has he been doing since getting caught wacking off in that restroom in LA? Last time I remember him being any sort of force in music was back in the 80's. When people found out he was really gay (early 90's) his fanbase dropped considerably.

The ONLY way it is safe to announce you're are gay without it having a negative effect on your career is to be in the position of Elton John...so filthy stinking rich that you just don't give a damn anymore what people say. For years Elton insisted he was "bi" only because he knew the public would be a little more accepting of that.

True, the youth of today don't give a damn if you're gay or straight. Thank god, there is hope for future. But the sad truth is that business today is still largely run by the old school, and they just aren't as open to it all. Until they die off and the gen xr's have total control nothing will change.

The bottom line is that it's nobody's business but his own what he prefers. You don't want the world knowing what's going on in your bedroom. Imagine if you were constantly put on the spot about your orientation. Give the man his privacy and the respect that he deserves. Afterall, that's exactly what you expect for yourself.

> Because he's Mexican, baby!!

No, no, no! Sparacus is a play on words, dimwitts! He's sparring with us therefore he's 'spar-acus'. I'm not a fan of his but I know what he's up to.

Yes, and so is Ellen Degeneres!

> In the 1980s, it was understandable why a gay artist would want to keep
> his sexuality 'ambiguous'. But this is 2002! George Michael is out &
> proud and Morrissey looks increasingly anachronistic and more than a
> little 'sad'.
> I mean - Jeez - why the hell would an 'indie' artist like Moz want to
> appear more conservative than George Michael? Grow up Morrissey! And join
> the modern world!
Hey, didn't Mr Morrissey came out of the closet at very first Smiths album (lyrics "she is too strong and I'm too delicate... And pretty girls make graves") Where he documents his typically gay experience of refusing come-ons of a woman... I mean, his lyrics is so openly gay-oriented, much more so then George Michael...

> In the 1980s, it was understandable why a gay artist would want to keep
> his sexuality 'ambiguous'. But this is 2002! George Michael is out &
> proud and Morrissey looks increasingly anachronistic and more than a
> little 'sad'.
> I mean - Jeez - why the hell would an 'indie' artist like Moz want to
> appear more conservative than George Michael? Grow up Morrissey! And join
> the modern world!

He's not in the closet you dumpling. Why does he have to say what his sexuality is? If you knew anything about the man you would know he is gay.
Do other musicians proclaim on a daily basis they are straight?
I don't think so. It really doesn't matter does it?

I was Mr Proper's first love. As a matter of fact, HE loved and wanted me, so, during one of those nights when you have nothing to do, not even a hore to f***, I made his dream come true. he said that he never felt such a hot pain in his *** before.

> Hey, didn't Mr Morrissey came out of the closet at very first Smiths album
> (lyrics "she is too strong and I'm too delicate... And pretty girls
> make graves") Where he documents his typically gay experience of
> refusing come-ons of a woman... I mean, his lyrics is so openly
> gay-oriented, much more so then George Michael...

Exactly. Which makes his refusal to acknowledge it all the more silly.

> Hey, ooohhh you called me shit. your gay because you listen to the music
> of some gay guy morissey and your a guy and your girlfriend ho are you is
> a slut.

You are clearly some illiterate drunk, of the kind found on 'dotmusic'.

More rubbish istead of argument. Why don't you irrational people talk sense?

> You could just join the modern world and respect the man's privacy!
> Sheesh!!

In the modern world there is no need for successful people to remain closet cases.

> In the modern world there is no need for successful people to remain
> closet cases.

That's not the point, regardless of whether or not his sexuality would hinder his career, that's personal information that he has every right to keep to himself, whether he's straight, bi, or gay. There's no reason he should have to tell anyone. I'm sure there are private things in your life that you don't announce to everyone, and that doesn't mean that you're embarrasssed about them or trying to hide them or worried about what it would do to your career. He doesn't owe the world an explanation, it's no one's business but his own. And to be honest, he doesn't need to even have a reason not to label himself or spell it out to the world. Unless it's something he wants to do, there is absolutely no reason he should.

> The bottom line is that it's nobody's business but his own what he
> prefers. You don't want the world knowing what's going on in your bedroom.
> Imagine if you were constantly put on the spot about your orientation.
> Give the man his privacy and the respect that he deserves. Afterall,
> that's exactly what you expect for yourself.

Well said.

Sparacus, how would you like it if Mozzer dragged you up on stage at a show and made you answer loads of really intimate personal questions about yourself?

hey assjack, I come out of the closet everyday when I say that me and Who are YOU?? have mad sex all the time. Just because she wont fuck losers like you is nothing to get mad at me about. thats a sort of asshole thing you have working for you. Even your mom has told me on several occasions that you are an asshole to her because you found out we had sex. Your mom is a good woman,I know. But be nice. maybe you'll get laid by someone other than your blow up doll. Got it anus??

> No, no, no! Sparacus is a play on words, dimwitts! He's sparring with us
> therefore he's 'spar-acus'. I'm not a fan of his but I know what he's up
> to.

Stitch, you clever bastard! Perhaps you're correct. Then again....you may be giving too much credit to the nunce:)

You are shit.Leave my man Mr. Improper alone. He is all mine and he is absolutly yummy. You are the shit my dog poops out when she eats flavored milkbones. Actually, the crap is Port Charles. I watched it and that has got to be the worst show on TV. Your man "Rafe" has got to be the ugliest guy on TV and he can't act. Could he possibly bleach his hair anymore?
The most disturbing part is they were playing Ben Harper in the background. I can't believe anyone in Morrissey's camp would be associated with that show.

> In the modern world there is no need for successful people to remain
> closet cases.

Tell that to Tom Cruise!

> You are clearly some illiterate drunk, of the kind found on 'dotmusic'.
No, Rafe lover is fond of some rediculous soap opera that features a bleach blonde ugly guy and thats why she is so hostile.

Thats the same thing you say to your cat all the time. Now the truth is out. Shame on you,kitty phucker!!!.

> In the 1980s, it was understandable why a gay artist would want to keep
> his sexuality 'ambiguous'. But this is 2002! George Michael is out &
> proud and Morrissey looks increasingly anachronistic and more than a
> little 'sad'.
> I mean - Jeez - why the hell would an 'indie' artist like Moz want to
> appear more conservative than George Michael? Grow up Morrissey! And join
> the modern world!
Maybe Mozzer is waiting for Chris to do it first... Hehe ... Seriously, I think Mozzer was out of the closet at his first Smiths album... So what we want him to do... parachute himself in the middle of the gay parade at Santa Monica Blvd... Greet patrons of Rage with hugs on entrance... He was out of the closet well back at 1984... Maybe me and Spartacus indeed overdid it... Next what: outing Vinnie the Pooh or Snoopy? Maybe it is a time to give both Chris and Mozzer a rest... (I think Chris would bloody enjoy to have a rest with Mozzer Heheheh....)

> Stitch, you clever bastard! Perhaps you're correct. Then again....you may
> be giving too much credit to the nunce:)
I think Spartacus just can't spell, 'cause he had a hard abusive childhood...

hahaha Its pathetic. He is still annoying! He brings this shit upon himself, when he gets personal about his life. If he was such a "mature" and "not annoying" fuck, then he would just brush this off and talk about something else. Maybe that person in Arizona didn't want to confront him, because he'll probably end going all pyscho on them. Face it, he is GAY, he is a HOMOSEXUAL. And there is nothing wrong with that.

anonbitch your still as pathetic as him. Don't you see your playing his mind games, your just like another laboratory rat to him. He was right though, if you have a problem why don't you address him yourself in an email, it just seems like your scared to do so.

I'd prefer not to. Maybe when I am bored!