I'm not coming to anyone's defense, but:

What is the real problem that everyone has with Chris? I personally don't know the guy, but as it seems, all he's trying to do is be a Morrissey fan. He obvoiusly happens to dedicate a lot of time and energy on his website. I think people are just jealous. His personal life has nothing to do with any of us. Morrissey's personal life has nothing to do with any of us. David T.'s personal life has nothing to do with any of us. Sure Chris keeps a journal on his website, however, what does that really have to do with any of us personally? We either choose to read it, or not. Morrissey puts out songs that are always very heart felt and mean a lot to *him*, we either relate, or we don't. If we don't relate, does that in turn make Morrissey evil, or "gay?" I think you people are insane.

In my opinion, everyone who talks ÿopprobriously of someone who they do not even know, is a complete idiot that has nothing better to do with their life then to sit around trying to make others miserable. If you don't like Chris, don't go to his website.

Simple as that.

> I'm not coming to anyone's defense, but:

> What is the real problem that everyone has with Chris? I personally don't
> know the guy, but as it seems, all he's trying to do is be a Morrissey
> fan. He obvoiusly happens to dedicate a lot of time and energy on his
> website. I think people are just jealous. His personal life has nothing to
> do with any of us. Morrissey's personal life has nothing to do with any of
> us. David T.'s personal life has nothing to do with any of us. Sure Chris
> keeps a journal on his website, however, what does that really have to do
> with any of us personally? We either choose to read it, or not. Morrissey
> puts out songs that are always very heart felt and mean a lot to *him*, we
> either relate, or we don't. If we don't relate, does that in turn make
> Morrissey evil, or "gay?" I think you people are insane.
I'm not trying to pick up on Chris. Bottom line: he is a good guy, he may have a future in entertainment business as a journalist, judging from his lovingly-made website, he has personality, he has his own ideas about life, he is not a follower of some fashion or trend... Actually, Chris generates sympathy and even some measure of respect, not hostility... It is just very painful to watch him denying his true sexual orientation... It is not my business... But Chris himself chose to keep his diary on-line, and for me as a Mexican gay male who suffered and suffers a lot from homophobic attitude "gays are evil", "gays are second class" et cetera... it is insulting my intelligence when Chris describes himself as he is and then shouting down peoples who dare to discuss Mozzer homosexuality as if we can't see that Chris himself fancies gay lifestyle (at least culturally-wise), yet he becomes all shish-shish not unlike Catholic priests, when somebody wants to openly discuss "gay" issues... He even had an arrogance to prohibit "gay topics" from his website... Look at A.O. and see yourselves... PLEASE DO: www.ambitious-outsiders.com

So if Chris has a right, of course, to shut down on gay issues, I have a right according to 5th Amendment of American Constitution to raise those issues here... It is not if I'm describing pornography or any graphic details... I realize this site is PG... I just want to help Chris to overcome a certain mental block in his head... Cause I was at the same predicament as him, cause our culture is way too macho and they call you maricono for a slightest sign of weakness for an art or culture beyong DMX or Latin Top 40... You think my dad didn't call me faggot? You think my cousins didn't stopped talking with me? I know to go out of the closet is hard and sometimes dangerous, yet at least it is like a huge load of stones is out of your system... and you can breath free for the first time in your life... If Chris is straight or perhaps bi, he still owes gays an apology for shouting them down at his website, yet living himself pretty much in gayland... If I'm wrong, maybe yes, I'm just a human not Jesus or Buddah, yet I think I may have here a valid point, Erica... Chris must realize, that we ...

A) Read his dairy (by his own choice).
B) Have a reasonable level of Intellegence...

That's all... Ultimately I wish Chris to be happy and self-realizing personality, the same thing I wish to myself... It just hurts when at very supposedly pro-gay website you are being told: "hash hash your gayness, no gay topics", then you go and read Chris dairy about his favourite colour is pink and how his dad thinks he is a fag and how his family hates him for being non-macho... It is almost like: dude, either be a happy straight guy or a happy queer guy!

> In my opinion, everyone who talks ÿopprobriously of someone who
> they do not even know, is a complete idiot that has nothing better to do
> with their life then to sit around trying to make others miserable. If you
> don't like Chris, don't go to his website.
I agree 100%... Yet we know Chris very well by his dairies. In a sense, I himself lived through this self-denial stage, where I would have a Santa Monica Blvd date at evening and pipe up about non-existing girlfriends at high school at the morning... Funny thing, everybody knew anyway... My straight friends just had enough tact to let me realize myself, they knew it all along...
But what Chris is straight... I doubt, but if yes, he has to stop playing so frivolously with gay symbols and gay topics... BTW, David Tseng is 100% perfect: he keeps his private life totally out of website, and I commend him for that... But Chris is keeping us current about his life... Example, he tells us that he avoids women, yet loves them... Is his dairy is a cry for help... If it is, my answer is: be either gay or straight Chris, but stop playing with our minds here... Maybe for you gay lifestyle is a hobby, for me it is my life and my best friends and my pride...
> Simple as that.
Simple is that, all right!

Let me tell you something, no jokes this time, serious talking.
I used to write to Chris when he started his website, and the only thing I can say about this young man is that he's polite, clever, sensitive. he used to draw, I''m not sure if he still dedicates his time to his drawings. No one, as far as I know hates him, the only problem is envy. This guy is just a simple and nice boy, nothing wrong with him. His website is getting better and better, and this was only possible because he dedicated his time, and he worked to make a nice site. Chris, if you're reading this, congrats for your work.

Someone who used to write you

I think that many are just insecure and have nothing better to do. Why does everyone hate the morrisseytour.com girls, Julia Riley, AO guys, etc.? I can understand if you know them personally, and have wronged you before, but most of the people that talk all this sh!t on these people have probably never even met them. I know that there are just certain people whom annoy you for whatever irrational reason, but all this slander and hateful talk that these people get, is just not warranted or right. It is not for me or anyone else to judge these people, no matter what I may think of any of them personally. Who the hell cares what I think of them personally anyway? These people that have such foul disregard for them probably visit their sites on a daily basis too. That's what's really funny.

He's annoying. He sets himself up to get bashed.

> I think that many are just insecure and have nothing better to do. Why
> does everyone hate the morrisseytour.com girls, Julia Riley, AO guys,
> etc.? I can understand if you know them personally, and have wronged you
> before, but most of the people that talk all this sh!t on these people
> have probably never even met them. I know that there are just certain
> people whom annoy you for whatever irrational reason, but all this slander
> and hateful talk that these people get, is just not warranted or right. It
> is not for me or anyone else to judge these people, no matter what I may
> think of any of them personally. Who the hell cares what I think of them
> personally anyway? These people that have such foul disregard for them
> probably visit their sites on a daily basis too. That's what's really
> funny.
Sharon, I'm not sure you read my message 'Maybe I want Chris to make a choice'. Please read it and see my point... I had never said anything negative against girls from tour website or against Julia Riley... Why should I?

Ultimately it is a Chris business who is he: gay, straight or bi... Agree. No doubt, he is a bright one and a dedicated to Mozzer, spends his time and energy at his website, has interesting downloads et cetera et cetera... I'm not jealous of Chris, why should I? I have my own small business and I just bought my own piece of real estate at North Hollywood... If I would be an employer at PR department I would hire Chris, he is good writer, except he needs to improve his spelling a little bit, but again it is a very minor fault of his, especially I'm myself Spanish speaker and my spelling and grammar are not perfect either...

In one sentence, my beef with Chris is the duplicity of his:

At one hand, he obviously sexually fancies Mozzer (as well as many girls and gays), he enjoys gay-oiented Britpop Hispanic cultural milieu of LA, he even confesses in his diary about his same-sex longings and his dad hating him for that... Chris chose himself to publish his diary online, he likes to be seen suffering, he likes to be melodramatic on public... I would buy Chris a T-shirt with Drama Queen logo... Heh, Heh

On the other hand, Chris avoids talking about gay issues at his website, moreover he is shouting people down not to talk about Mozzer homosexuality and about any gay issues at his A.O.

One could say, so what? Maybe Chris is afraid... Well, 50 years ago you could get jail time for being gay... Now we have TV shows Will and Grace, Queer Like Folk, Margaret Chow, David Geffen and so on... Yet Chris still behaves like gay priests of the Catholic church... He probably enjoys gay lifestyle, he definitely enjoys gay culture, yet he keeps hash hash about it and shouts down other gays... Sad... So I was hoping I would entice Chris by my rather non-abusive tauntings to be a real man and publicly come out of his closet... Alas... he chose to ignore me... his right of course...

If Chris is gay, I would highly recommend him to get out of the closet for his own sanity and self-realization... If he is bi, then still he must be more sensitive to gays and give a green light to gay issues in A.O.

> Sharon, I'm not sure you read my message 'Maybe I want Chris to make a
> choice'. Please read it and see my point... I had never said anything
> negative against girls from tour website or against Julia Riley... Why
> should I?

> Ultimately it is a Chris business who is he: gay, straight or bi... Agree.
> No doubt, he is a bright one and a dedicated to Mozzer, spends his time
> and energy at his website, has interesting downloads et cetera et
> cetera... I'm not jealous of Chris, why should I? I have my own small
> business and I just bought my own piece of real estate at North
> Hollywood... If I would be an employer at PR department I would hire
> Chris, he is good writer, except he needs to improve his spelling a little
> bit, but again it is a very minor fault of his, especially I'm myself
> Spanish speaker and my spelling and grammar are not perfect either...

> In one sentence, my beef with Chris is the duplicity of his:

> At one hand, he obviously sexually fancies Mozzer (as well as many girls
> and gays), he enjoys gay-oiented Britpop Hispanic cultural milieu of LA,
> he even confesses in his diary about his same-sex longings and his dad
> hating him for that... Chris chose himself to publish his diary online, he
> likes to be seen suffering, he likes to be melodramatic on public... I
> would buy Chris a T-shirt with Drama Queen logo... Heh, Heh

> On the other hand, Chris avoids talking about gay issues at his website,
> moreover he is shouting people down not to talk about Mozzer homosexuality
> and about any gay issues at his A.O.

> One could say, so what? Maybe Chris is afraid... Well, 50 years ago you
> could get jail time for being gay... Now we have TV shows Will and Grace,
> Queer Like Folk, Margaret Chow, David Geffen and so on... Yet Chris still
> behaves like gay priests of the Catholic church... He probably enjoys gay
> lifestyle, he definitely enjoys gay culture, yet he keeps hash hash about
> it and shouts down other gays... Sad... So I was hoping I would entice
> Chris by my rather non-abusive tauntings to be a real man and publicly
> come out of his closet... Alas... he chose to ignore me... his right of
> course...

> If Chris is gay, I would highly recommend him to get out of the closet for
> his own sanity and self-realization... If he is bi, then still he must be
> more sensitive to gays and give a green light to gay issues in A.O.

Okay, I totally understand the point that you are trying to make, however, why is it really your business? What would Chris' "coming out of the closet" do for you individually? I don't understand why nowadays, EVERYONE has to be an "ambassador" of some sort. We cannot choose to live peoples lives for them. I understand your prior posts about knowing what Chris is going through however, Chris has to live the way that is best for him, not the way you would like him to live. We have no control over peoples lifestyles, and in hindsight, that was the real point that I was trying to make, WE CANNOT CONTROL PEOPLE's LIVES. There are just times when we have to just sit back and watch, because it has no effect on you as a person whatsoever.

I would understand if you were somebody in direct relation to Chris. Someone in his family who was concerned about him sheltering his own beliefs or person, but you're not. Not to put you down at all because you made a lot of good points, but, in all actuality, you're just another hit to his website. If Chris would like to live in denial (not saying that he is), leave it up to him.

> Okay, I totally understand the point that you are trying to make, however,
> why is it really your business? What would Chris' "coming out of the
> closet" do for you individually? I don't understand why nowadays,
> EVERYONE has to be an "ambassador" of some sort. We cannot
> choose to live peoples lives for them. I understand your prior posts about
> knowing what Chris is going through however, Chris has to live the way
> that is best for him, not the way you would like him to live. We have no
> control over peoples lifestyles, and in hindsight, that was the real point
> that I was trying to make, WE CANNOT CONTROL PEOPLE's LIVES. There are
> just times when we have to just sit back and watch, because it has no
> effect on you as a person whatsoever.

> I would understand if you were somebody in direct relation to Chris.
> Someone in his family who was concerned about him sheltering his own
> beliefs or person, but you're not. Not to put you down at all because you
> made a lot of good points, but, in all actuality, you're just another hit
> to his website. If Chris would like to live in denial (not saying that he
> is), leave it up to him.
Good point, we are the architects of our own lives and ultimately it is up to each of us how to live our lives... as Mozzer himself jokingly said: "I will ruin my live in my own way" at Alma Matter song... Mine is just another advice, and of course Chris is totally free either to lend it his ear or to ignore it...
But don't you think that, being a gay man himself, I care about Chris, that's why I took a liberty to meddle into his private affairs... Maybe I'm being a pest, but if I would dislike Chris, I would just ignore him... I felt Chris self-denial's pain, cause, as I said before, I myself used to live through this stage at some point of my life...

Anyway, let's move on and enjoy Mozzer touring... As I mentioned at other message, I saw Mozzer already at Phoenix and Yuma and I tremendously liked what I saw... Also, I went together with my buddies to movies and so Margaret Cho movie, called 'Notorious Cho'. It was really funny, she was observing human sexuality, recommend to everybody who is over 16... Bye, Erica...

who are we talking about Morrissey or Chris? it might seem that you do not mean any harm but how you like it you were a simple webmaster dedicating your time and effort on a moz site simply because of your admiration for the man only be called certain names and become disected by certain people in the net.

honestly does his sexuality matter?

get back to your work, do something much more useful or useless.

the are jealous

> I'm not coming to anyone's defense, but:

> What is the real problem that everyone has with Chris? I personally don't
> know the guy, but as it seems, all he's trying to do is be a Morrissey
> fan. He obvoiusly happens to dedicate a lot of time and energy on his
> website. I think people are just jealous. His personal life has nothing to
> do with any of us. Morrissey's personal life has nothing to do with any of
> us. David T.'s personal life has nothing to do with any of us. Sure Chris
> keeps a journal on his website, however, what does that really have to do
> with any of us personally? We either choose to read it, or not. Morrissey
> puts out songs that are always very heart felt and mean a lot to *him*, we
> either relate, or we don't. If we don't relate, does that in turn make
> Morrissey evil, or "gay?" I think you people are insane.

> In my opinion, everyone who talks ÿopprobriously of someone who
> they do not even know, is a complete idiot that has nothing better to do
> with their life then to sit around trying to make others miserable. If you
> don't like Chris, don't go to his website.

> Simple as that.

> Sharon, I'm not sure you read my message 'Maybe I want Chris to make a
> choice'. Please read it and see my point... I had never said anything
> negative against girls from tour website or against Julia Riley... Why
> should I?

> Ultimately it is a Chris business who is he: gay, straight or bi... Agree.
> No doubt, he is a bright one
Since when was mixing your sisters perscription drugs and smoking pot bright?

He has a friend named "Gregg". Its a start, giving a ride to the bus station means we rolled around naked and messed around.