Ungrateful, spineless, pathetic, selfish, totally unrealistic, and when it comes to Morrissey, pretty cruel and unfair. (And your spelling - my god didn't any of you go to school?) I read these messages and I cannot imagine why most of you even bother coming here. You don't have to like someone or be interested in them as a person just because you like their music, but most of you are clearly obsessed with him and yet so critical and unforgiving and DEMANDING. This ridiculous idea that he owes you something - I don't know whether to laugh at you or scream. What the fuck does he owe you for - and don't start with the "we put him where he is/we paid for his houses/cars" bullshit. That is such a load of crap and you know it. You buy his albums because you want them, you listen to them and enjoy them. You go to his shows because you enjoy seeing him perform. That is what you are paying for, and for all the pleasure he has given you and it is a purely selfish act on your part. Morrissey isn't a charity, you don't give him 'donations', you are buying things you want for yourself. And it's not his fault if you went out and bought plane tickets or booked time off work, that was your decision and your responsibility, you knew there were risks involved, and not just because it's Morrissey, these things can happen to anyone. Grow up and stop trying to blame other people for everything that goes wrong in your life. You gambled and you lost, accept the responsibility and just fucking deal with it. You could have bought flexible tickets, but you decided to take a risk to save some money - completely understandable, but in this case it didn't pay off. And that is Morrissey's fault? Ridiculous.
If you guys really think as little of Morrissey as a person as you appear to, why do you waste your time here, why do you listen to his music, why buy tickets to the shows, take time off work, book flights and hotels, how can you even call yourself a fan? If you really think he is such a horrible person then just fuck off. You put him up on this huge pedestal and then sit there all day throwing rocks at him and complaining. What on earth is the point? He is just a person for fuck's sake, why can't you treat him as such? It's not really asking that much. You don't have to love him or even like him, but be fair and just leave him alone.
And finally I have to add that your replies to 3/4 Of A Person were pathetic and said a lot about the kind of "fans" you are. Who cares whether or not he/she works for Moz or knows him, personally I found 3/4's comments refreshing, it was nice to see someone talking sense for a change. I found the response "I hardly feel a true fan would respond like you" quite a sad reflection on just what you fans are like, the idea that all you need to do to arouse immediate suspicion is to stick up for Moz or defend him, or - god forbid - actually show some genuine respect or affection for the man, and suddenly everyone pounces, crying out that they can't possibly just be a fan, no they must be on the payroll! A sorry state of affairs...

Don't tar everyone with the same paintbrush & no disrespect but spelling & grammar aren't everyones forte are they!
luv
Grim O'Grady

This is just 3/4ths posting one more time.

POOP ON YOU!

> Ungrateful, spineless, pathetic, selfish, totally unrealistic, and when it
> comes to Morrissey, pretty cruel and unfair. (And your spelling - my god
> didn't any of you go to school?) I read these messages and I cannot
> imagine why most of you even bother coming here. You don't have to like
> someone or be interested in them as a person just because you like their
> music, but most of you are clearly obsessed with him and yet so critical
> and unforgiving and DEMANDING. This ridiculous idea that he owes you
> something - I don't know whether to laugh at you or scream. What the fuck
> does he owe you for - and don't start with the "we put him where he
> is/we paid for his houses/cars" bullshit. That is such a load of crap
> and you know it. You buy his albums because you want them, you listen to
> them and enjoy them. You go to his shows because you enjoy seeing him
> perform. That is what you are paying for, and for all the pleasure he has
> given you and it is a purely selfish act on your part. Morrissey isn't a
> charity, you don't give him 'donations', you are buying things you want
> for yourself. And it's not his fault if you went out and bought plane
> tickets or booked time off work, that was your decision and your
> responsibility, you knew there were risks involved, and not just because
> it's Morrissey, these things can happen to anyone. Grow up and stop trying
> to blame other people for everything that goes wrong in your life. You
> gambled and you lost, accept the responsibility and just fucking deal with
> it. You could have bought flexible tickets, but you decided to take a risk
> to save some money - completely understandable, but in this case it didn't
> pay off. And that is Morrissey's fault? Ridiculous.
> If you guys really think as little of Morrissey as a person as you appear
> to, why do you waste your time here, why do you listen to his music, why
> buy tickets to the shows, take time off work, book flights and hotels, how
> can you even call yourself a fan? If you really think he is such a
> horrible person then just fuck off. You put him up on this huge pedestal
> and then sit there all day throwing rocks at him and complaining. What on
> earth is the point? He is just a person for fuck's sake, why can't you
> treat him as such? It's not really asking that much. You don't have to
> love him or even like him, but be fair and just leave him alone.
> And finally I have to add that your replies to 3/4 Of A Person were
> pathetic and said a lot about the kind of "fans" you are. Who
> cares whether or not he/she works for Moz or knows him, personally I found
> 3/4's comments refreshing, it was nice to see someone talking sense for a
> change. I found the response "I hardly feel a true fan would respond
> like you" quite a sad reflection on just what you fans are like, the
> idea that all you need to do to arouse immediate suspicion is to stick up
> for Moz or defend him, or - god forbid - actually show some genuine
> respect or affection for the man, and suddenly everyone pounces, crying
> out that they can't possibly just be a fan, no they must be on the
> payroll! A sorry state of affairs...

One more point, if Morrissey needs his litte friends to stick up for him and can't deal with the harsh honest truth his fans feel. Then he should just retire.

I really hope he NEVER releases a new song ever again, I really don't want another CD to collect dust.

>"we put him where he is/we paid for his houses/cars"

YES WE DID, that guy doesn't have to go to work and deal with a fucking boss, he doesn't have to work 10 hour days to make the rent.

He pays more in property tax every year, than many of his fans make in a year.

All we wanted was to see him live, and he cannot he cannot bother to show up for us? What's his fucking problem, he gets his "hired help" excuse me his band mate, to lie for him about some lame visa excuse.

He is too much of a pissy fuck to hire an agent and get his job on track.

So what was the deal, was there a big plot twist in his favorite daytime soap that he cannot stand to miss?

Morrissey has a really easy fucking life, he lives a life of leasure, he has a modest level of fame, he doesn't have to pay the price of fame that people like Madonna and Michael Jackson have to. He has got it made in the shade.

Is it too much to ask for him to do a show or two for us and actually show up?
I DONT FUCKING THINK SO!

Morrissey is too fucking sensitive, if he didn't have his fame, he would be in wigan right now, working in a video store talking about useless triva and everyone who he bumps into would think LOSER!

We gave him everything, and we ask for so little back.

Morrissey owes me nothing
I was a damm fool for trusting him
WHAT THE FUCK AM I GOING TO DO IN ALASKA!
WHAT?

SO POOP ON YOU!
You got your nose so far up Morrissey's ass, that you brain is full of rotten poop!

3/4ths EVEN
hardly, we may get 70% of our ticket price back, but what about our plane tix, our vacation time from work, our emotional distress.

JUST FUCKING RETIRE MORRISSEY, have a nice simple life, and we wont have to get our hopes up for nothing...

POOPS FOR ALL!

> Don't tar everyone with the same paintbrush & no disrespect but
> spelling & grammar aren't everyones forte are they!
> luv
> Grim O'Grady

Can I just ad that I did in fact go to Skool.

> Ungrateful, spineless, pathetic, selfish, totally unrealistic, and when it
> comes to Morrissey, pretty cruel and unfair. (And your spelling - my god
> didn't any of you go to school?) I read these messages and I cannot
> imagine why most of you even bother coming here. You don't have to like
> someone or be interested in them as a person just because you like their
> music, but most of you are clearly obsessed with him and yet so critical
> and unforgiving and DEMANDING. This ridiculous idea that he owes you
> something - I don't know whether to laugh at you or scream. What the fuck
> does he owe you for - and don't start with the "we put him where he
> is/we paid for his houses/cars" bullshit. That is such a load of crap
> and you know it. You buy his albums because you want them, you listen to
> them and enjoy them. You go to his shows because you enjoy seeing him
> perform. That is what you are paying for, and for all the pleasure he has
> given you and it is a purely selfish act on your part. Morrissey isn't a
> charity, you don't give him 'donations', you are buying things you want
> for yourself. And it's not his fault if you went out and bought plane
> tickets or booked time off work, that was your decision and your
> responsibility, you knew there were risks involved, and not just because
> it's Morrissey, these things can happen to anyone. Grow up and stop trying
> to blame other people for everything that goes wrong in your life. You
> gambled and you lost, accept the responsibility and just fucking deal with
> it. You could have bought flexible tickets, but you decided to take a risk
> to save some money - completely understandable, but in this case it didn't
> pay off. And that is Morrissey's fault? Ridiculous.
> If you guys really think as little of Morrissey as a person as you appear
> to, why do you waste your time here, why do you listen to his music, why
> buy tickets to the shows, take time off work, book flights and hotels, how
> can you even call yourself a fan? If you really think he is such a
> horrible person then just fuck off. You put him up on this huge pedestal
> and then sit there all day throwing rocks at him and complaining. What on
> earth is the point? He is just a person for fuck's sake, why can't you
> treat him as such? It's not really asking that much. You don't have to
> love him or even like him, but be fair and just leave him alone.
> And finally I have to add that your replies to 3/4 Of A Person were
> pathetic and said a lot about the kind of "fans" you are. Who
> cares whether or not he/she works for Moz or knows him, personally I found
> 3/4's comments refreshing, it was nice to see someone talking sense for a
> change. I found the response "I hardly feel a true fan would respond
> like you" quite a sad reflection on just what you fans are like, the
> idea that all you need to do to arouse immediate suspicion is to stick up
> for Moz or defend him, or - god forbid - actually show some genuine
> respect or affection for the man, and suddenly everyone pounces, crying
> out that they can't possibly just be a fan, no they must be on the
> payroll! A sorry state of affairs...

imagine the predicament. they wanted to see moz. they were disappointed, and now, they really don't have a good way to vent frustration.

understanding and pain really don't walk hand in hand that well. i can think of some times where i've said some stuff and now i look back upon it and feel bad that i said it, but now i'm a bit older and learned and its taught me to separate the circumstances and curse them for what they are. and i don't blame moz because he's trying. and as i said before, i knew the risks and bought tickets anyway. that's my responsibility to decide what to do now.

i feel bad for people kicking moz's car, hanging around outside of his house and thinking that he should be their friend. but that's the sad thing about LA. celebrities are almost like disney land characters and people think its their job to stand around and pose for pictures and speak to them. i'm surprised he hasn't moved away by this point.

> Ungrateful, spineless, pathetic, selfish, totally unrealistic, and when it
> comes to Morrissey, pretty cruel and unfair. (And your spelling - my god
> didn't any of you go to school?) I read these messages and I cannot
> imagine why most of you even bother coming here. You don't have to like
> someone or be interested in them as a person just because you like their
> music, but most of you are clearly obsessed with him and yet so critical
> and unforgiving and DEMANDING. This ridiculous idea that he owes you
> something - I don't know whether to laugh at you or scream. What the fuck
> does he owe you for - and don't start with the "we put him where he
> is/we paid for his houses/cars" bullshit. That is such a load of crap
> and you know it. You buy his albums because you want them, you listen to
> them and enjoy them. You go to his shows because you enjoy seeing him
> perform. That is what you are paying for, and for all the pleasure he has
> given you and it is a purely selfish act on your part. Morrissey isn't a
> charity, you don't give him 'donations', you are buying things you want
> for yourself. And it's not his fault if you went out and bought plane
> tickets or booked time off work, that was your decision and your
> responsibility, you knew there were risks involved, and not just because
> it's Morrissey, these things can happen to anyone. Grow up and stop trying
> to blame other people for everything that goes wrong in your life. You
> gambled and you lost, accept the responsibility and just fucking deal with
> it. You could have bought flexible tickets, but you decided to take a risk
> to save some money - completely understandable, but in this case it didn't
> pay off. And that is Morrissey's fault? Ridiculous.
> If you guys really think as little of Morrissey as a person as you appear
> to, why do you waste your time here, why do you listen to his music, why
> buy tickets to the shows, take time off work, book flights and hotels, how
> can you even call yourself a fan? If you really think he is such a
> horrible person then just fuck off. You put him up on this huge pedestal
> and then sit there all day throwing rocks at him and complaining. What on
> earth is the point? He is just a person for fuck's sake, why can't you
> treat him as such? It's not really asking that much. You don't have to
> love him or even like him, but be fair and just leave him alone.
> And finally I have to add that your replies to 3/4 Of A Person were
> pathetic and said a lot about the kind of "fans" you are. Who
> cares whether or not he/she works for Moz or knows him, personally I found
> 3/4's comments refreshing, it was nice to see someone talking sense for a
> change. I found the response "I hardly feel a true fan would respond
> like you" quite a sad reflection on just what you fans are like, the
> idea that all you need to do to arouse immediate suspicion is to stick up
> for Moz or defend him, or - god forbid - actually show some genuine
> respect or affection for the man, and suddenly everyone pounces, crying
> out that they can't possibly just be a fan, no they must be on the
> payroll! A sorry state of affairs...

Even, you've put it better than anyone.

Especially this part:

"You put him up on this huge pedestal and then sit there all day throwing rocks at him and complaining. What on earth is the point? He is just a person for fuck's sake, why can't you treat him as such? It's not really asking that much. You don't have to love him or even like him, but be fair and just leave him alone."

Thank You.

> Ungrateful, spineless, pathetic, selfish, totally unrealistic, and when it
> comes to Morrissey, pretty cruel and unfair. (And your spelling - my god
> didn't any of you go to school?) I read these messages and I cannot
> imagine why most of you even bother coming here.

Um maybe because we enjoy his music?

>You don't have to like
> someone or be interested in them as a person just because you like their
> music,

You should have left it at that.

>but most of you are clearly obsessed with him and yet so critical
> and unforgiving and DEMANDING.

Er it's human nature to be disappointed when you're let down. I assure you Morrissey would feel the same way.

>This ridiculous idea that he owes you
> something - I don't know whether to laugh at you or scream. What the fuck
> does he owe you for - and don't start with the "we put him where he
> is/we paid for his houses/cars" bullshit. That is such a load of crap
> and you know it. You buy his albums because you want them, you listen to
> them and enjoy them.

May I ask why we are ungrateful simply because we don't approve of the way he handles his affairs?

And let me turn this around on you for a moment and ask what exactly we should be grateful for? The fact that Morrissey enjoys singing, making records, and lives a rather nice lifestyle as a result? Morrissey does what he does to make a living for himself and a rather nice one at that. He doesn't do it for our pleasure and enjoyment. So what we have to be grateful for is beyond me.

You say that Morrissey doesn't owe us anything. What you're forgetting is that we don't owe him anything either.

This is really more about respect and understanding. Surely Morrissey knows people have been put out. And this has happened far too many times to chalk it up to anything less than Morrissey's flippant and irresponsible attitude.

>Morrissey isn't a charity,

And neither are we.

>you don't give him 'donations', you are buying things you want
> for yourself. And it's not his fault if you went out and bought plane
> tickets or booked time off work,

Well, it is actually.

>that was your decision and your
> responsibility, you knew there were risks involved, and not just because
> it's Morrissey, these things can happen to anyone.

Yes, but with Morrissey they tend to happen A LOT.

>Grow up and stop trying
> to blame other people for everything that goes wrong in your life.

This is the freaking funniest thing you said. Try directing this at the man himself. It surely applies better to him than it does to us.

> gambled and you lost, accept the responsibility

That is what hundereds of his fans are doing right now. (whoops I just had a vision of the Mike Joyce lawsuit - cough) They have no other recourse. I think some venting and griping is in order. We're not robots, you know.

I do, however, doubt that anyone here truly thinks Morrissey is a horrible person as you said. The reactions, some of which I agree are over the top, stem from disappointment. It's Morrissey's lack of understanding and sympathy for his fans (time and time again) that has people so irritated. It's understandable. Maybe you should be more tolerant and allow people that.

>He is just a person for fuck's sake, why can't you
> treat him as such?

Well, so the fuck are we. I actually think your entire post should have been directed at Morrissey and not us. Your post sounds good on the surface, but in reality it's nothing more than sycophantic fluff.

Okay Disappointed, I know you directed your reply at Even's post, but I'd like to add a few things...

> And let me turn this around on you for a moment and ask what exactly we
> should be grateful for? The fact that Morrissey enjoys singing, making
> records, and lives a rather nice lifestyle as a result? Morrissey does
> what he does to make a living for himself and a rather nice one at that.
> He doesn't do it for our pleasure and enjoyment. So what we have to be
> grateful for is beyond me.

He doesn't do it for our pleasure and enjoyment? What does he do it for, then? Okay, he does it because he obviously enjoys making music himself. Why shouldn't he make money from it? Doesn't he deserve it? Isn't he talented? Doesn't he make music worth listening to? And don't you get pleasure from his music? I know I do.

> You say that Morrissey doesn't owe us anything. What you're forgetting is
> that we don't owe him anything either.

We owe him the decency and respect to accept that some gigs have been cancelled, and to handle that fact like mature adults. Which many here are failing miserably to do. He's not the first artist to cancel a show, and he won't be the last. Yes, it does happen a lot with him, but the fact that you yourself stated that, shows that people were expecting it to happen. So why the complete crap and mud-slinging that's occuring?

> I do, however, doubt that anyone here truly thinks Morrissey is a horrible
> person as you said. The reactions, some of which I agree are over the top,
> stem from disappointment. It's Morrissey's lack of understanding and
> sympathy for his fans (time and time again) that has people so irritated.
> It's understandable. Maybe you should be more tolerant and allow people
> that.

As I've said before, I understand that people are upset and irritated. But don't you understand by now that this is part and package of being a Morrissey fan? Haven't you lived through this type of thing before? Why can't people accept that this is the way Morrissey is? He's not going to change now.

Along with the lowest disappointment comes the highest euphoria.

> He doesn't do it for our pleasure and enjoyment? What does he do it for,
> then? Okay, he does it because he obviously enjoys making music himself.
> Why shouldn't he make money from it?

I didn't say he shouldn't.

>Doesn't he deserve it?

I never said he didn't.

>Isn't he talented? Doesn't he make music worth listening to? And don't you get
> pleasure from his music? I know I do.

I'm lost as to your point...

> We owe him the decency and respect to accept that some gigs have been
> cancelled, and to handle that fact like mature adults.

I think he owes us the decency and respect not to announce shows unless they are thoroughly planned out.

> Which many here are
> failing miserably to do. He's not the first artist to cancel a show, and
> he won't be the last.

But he may be the only to person to do it so often. One has to wonder why?
What makes this happen to Morrissey so often? What is different in the Morrissey equation.. Let me think...

>Yes, it does happen a lot with him, but the fact
> that you yourself stated that, shows that people were expecting it to
> happen. So why the complete crap and mud-slinging that's occuring?

Because people know that it could have been prevented. If people believed this was absolutely out of his control, I assure you that you wouldn't be seeing this anger directed at him.

> As I've said before, I understand that people are upset and irritated. But
> don't you understand by now that this is part and package of being a
> Morrissey fan?

Um that doesn't make it right.

> can't people accept that this is the way Morrissey is? He's not going to
> change now.

This answer is so obvious I'm not even going to bother..

> Along with the lowest disappointment comes the highest euphoria.

So you're saying once disappointment passes euphoria is the result?
I know what you're trying to say but it honestly makes no sense.

Yes! Exactly!

Haha!

> imagine the predicament. they wanted to see moz. they were disappointed,
> and now, they really don't have a good way to vent frustration.

> understanding and pain really don't walk hand in hand that well. i can
> think of some times where i've said some stuff and now i look back upon it
> and feel bad that i said it, but now i'm a bit older and learned and its
> taught me to separate the circumstances and curse them for what they are.
> and i don't blame moz because he's trying. and as i said before, i knew
> the risks and bought tickets anyway. that's my responsibility to decide
> what to do now.

> i feel bad for people kicking moz's car, hanging around outside of his
> house and thinking that he should be their friend. but that's the sad
> thing about LA. celebrities are almost like disney land characters and
> people think its their job to stand around and pose for pictures and speak
> to them. i'm surprised he hasn't moved away by this point.

> I think he owes us the decency and respect not to announce shows unless
> they are thoroughly planned out.

To be fair, HE never actually announced anything. Fans posted things, and linked to places. At no point did Morrissey sit in front of a web-cam, wet his lips, fix his hair, and go,

"Okay! Here are the tour dates! They're all set! Everything is confirmed and everything is going forward without a hitch!"

But we could sit around and find holes in each other's arguments all day long. If you have strong feelings about something, it's kind of hard to be objective, isn't it?

> To be fair, HE never actually announced anything. Fans posted things, and
> linked to places. At no point did Morrissey sit in front of a web-cam, wet
> his lips, fix his hair, and go,

> "Okay! Here are the tour dates! They're all set! Everything is
> confirmed and everything is going forward without a hitch!"

Are you serious? People bought tickets..tickets were available..it's the same thing. Man some of you people are nutso.

> Are you serious? People bought tickets..tickets were available..it's the
> same thing. Man some of you people are nutso.

You should put your head in a bag.

Haha!