Not that I care about any or all people, critisizing Moz,
yet I was just searching internet and found rather curious interview with punk rocker from San Francisco Genoli, who critisizes Moz for not climbing to the top of the mountain with a loudspeaker and pronouncing his gayness... Ask me, it is quite common for some gay activists to expose this kind of humorless ideological puritanism of a sort... As one Mozsolo personage 'Tibby' used to say, "sexual ambiguity is fun". Yeh, ambiguity is fun... like who is REALLY ON TOP of current musical agenda: Moz or Stipe... :-) However, despite of being an righteous ass (and hopefully also a shapely one too :-) ) in this particular interview, Genoli has some really cool songs with his group Pansy Division, they will play this August (August 28?) at Silverlake at queer rock festival or something... and they are ain't bad...

OK, magazine is some very obscure Canadian publication called 'Times.10', Interviewer's name is K.Joseph Kijek and John Genoli is the one being interviewed... Enjoy, LOL:

"To end of this article I being a huge devoted fan and possessing an undying love for Mr. Steven Patrick Morrissey I had to ask Mr. Ginoli if he thought his Mozz-ness was indeed gay or purely ambiguous for the sake of being ambiguous. Jon Ginoli had this to say: "Gay (our L.A. spies have verified this, he lives there now). Still not out after nearly two decades in the public light. He just assumes everyone knows, which to me is remnant of the Liberace era. I think he's a bore who makes the occasional great song. I hate the way he's encouraged his cultdom, and how they wallow in his cynicism. But don't get me started".

Does he even exist? Who is he to even dare speak Morrissey's name? I'll add him to the list of wannabes/has-beens trying to get intio the public eye by attacking Moz.

> Not that I care about any or all people, critisizing Moz,
> yet I was just searching internet and found rather curious interview with
> punk rocker from San Francisco Genoli, who critisizes Moz for not climbing
> to the top of the mountain with a loudspeaker and pronouncing his
> gayness... Ask me, it is quite common for some gay activists to expose
> this kind of humorless ideological puritanism of a sort... As one Mozsolo
> personage 'Tibby' used to say, "sexual ambiguity is fun". Yeh,
> ambiguity is fun... like who is REALLY ON TOP of current musical agenda:
> Moz or Stipe... :-) However, despite of being an righteous ass (and
> hopefully also a shapely one too :-) ) in this particular interview,
> Genoli has some really cool songs with his group Pansy Division, they will
> play this August (August 28?) at Silverlake at queer rock festival or
> something... and they are ain't bad...

> OK, magazine is some very obscure Canadian publication called 'Times.10',
> Interviewer's name is K.Joseph Kijek and John Genoli is the one being
> interviewed... Enjoy, LOL:

> "To end of this article I being a huge devoted fan and possessing an
> undying love for Mr. Steven Patrick Morrissey I had to ask Mr. Ginoli if
> he thought his Mozz-ness was indeed gay or purely ambiguous for the sake
> of being ambiguous. Jon Ginoli had this to say: "Gay (our L.A. spies
> have verified this, he lives there now). Still not out after nearly two
> decades in the public light. He just assumes everyone knows, which to me
> is remnant of the Liberace era. I think he's a bore who makes the
> occasional great song. I hate the way he's encouraged his cultdom, and how
> they wallow in his cynicism. But don't get me started".

> Does he even exist? Who is he to even dare speak Morrissey's name? I'll
> add him to the list of wannabes/has-beens trying to get intio the public
> eye by attacking Moz.

John Ginoli DOES exist and his band is actually quite good. If you take off your Moz blinders you may find that there are many other good bands out there who may not dig Morrissey's music. It's true!

> John Ginoli DOES exist

NOT as far as I'm concerned

>and his band is actually quite good.

You mean his gay-ass punk band?

>there are many other good bands
> out there who may not dig Morrissey's music.

That may well be true, but I'm pretty sure "Pansy Division" sucks.

> NOT as far as I'm concerned
> You mean his gay-ass punk band?
> That may well be true, but I'm pretty sure "Pansy Division"
> sucks.
Dude, Pansy Division really rock their queer arces, but they may be not as good as say Misfits or Iggy Pop or NIN. What I'm sayin', if you are not offended by R-rated openly gay lyrics and over 18 (LOL), you better check them out before putting them down, who knows, maybe Pansies will rock your world, there is more in music then Smiths & Moz... The same goes about Tori Amos. She is not everybody's cup of tea, but check her out before labelling her a bore. IMHO, Tori is a male Jim Morrison. Be fair to music. Ignorance is not an attractive quality, Mr 23.

> Dude, Pansy Division really rock their queer arces, but they may be not as
> good as say Misfits or Iggy Pop or NIN. What I'm sayin', if you are not
> offended by R-rated openly gay lyrics and over 18 (LOL), you better check
> them out before putting them down, who knows, maybe Pansies will rock your
> world, there is more in music then Smiths & Moz... The same goes about
> Tori Amos. She is not everybody's cup of tea, but check her out before
> labelling her a bore. IMHO, Tori is a male Jim Morrison. Be fair to music.
> Ignorance is not an attractive quality, Mr 23.
Oops, what I meant Tori is AS GOOD A SINGER AS male Jim Morrison.

> You mean his gay-ass punk band?

So it's not that you don't like their music; it's that you refuse to listen to anything composed or performed by homosexuals.

You DID say you're a Morrissey fan, right?

> That may well be true, but I'm pretty sure "Pansy Division"
> sucks.

And I'm "pretty sure" your opinion is irrelevant, as your homophobic mind prevents you from even SAMPLING their music.

> So it's not that you don't like their music; it's that you refuse to
> listen to anything composed or performed by homosexuals.

I am not homophobic and I believe that, in relative terms, homosexuals have done more for the arts than any other single group. I have no special reason to like or condone sectarian queerness, though; Morrissey never allowed himself to descend into politicizing his sexual options (whatever they are). BTW,I also loathe any kind of affectation, even if it's hidden under piles of distorted, badly played guitars.

> You DID say you're a Morrissey fan, right?

Actually I didn't in so many words, but yes I am a big Morrissey fan. I hope I don't have to become gay to go on listening to him.

> And I'm "pretty sure" your opinion is irrelevant, as your
> homophobic mind prevents you from even SAMPLING their music.

It shouldn't be entirely irrelevant, since you cared to reply to it.
Prejudice is an awful thing, kids, but don't push your beliefs (including sexual ones) on people. Homosexuals are sometimes annoying in that they want people to notice their homosexuality and endorse it. I don't care what turns you on! You're 100% equal to any other person! You're not special or entitled to a perpetual soapbox for being gay! And most important of all, John Ginoli (or any other gay spokesperson) has no right whatsoever to criticize Morrissey's behavior on any level, be it personal or artistic.

> Dude, Pansy Division really rock their queer arces, but they may be not as
> good as say Misfits or Iggy Pop or NIN. What I'm sayin', if you are not
> offended by R-rated openly gay lyrics and over 18 (LOL), you better check
> them out before putting them down, who knows, maybe Pansies will rock your
> world, there is more in music then Smiths & Moz... The same goes about
> Tori Amos. She is not everybody's cup of tea, but check her out before
> labelling her a bore. IMHO, Tori is a male Jim Morrison. Be fair to music.
> Ignorance is not an attractive quality, Mr 23.

I simply feel unprepared to argue with someone who happens to enjoy Pansy Division AND Tori Amos.
Finally, of couse there is more to music than the Smiths and Moz, but (as said before) not much more.

> I am not homophobic and I believe that, in relative terms, homosexuals
> have done more for the arts than any other single group. I have no special
> reason to like or condone sectarian queerness, though; Morrissey never
> allowed himself to descend into politicizing his sexual options (whatever
> they are). BTW,I also loathe any kind of affectation, even if it's hidden
> under piles of distorted, badly played guitars.

You've indirectly conveyed to us that you've not heard Pansy Division; yet you seem to be implying that they represent "sectarian queerness" that's "hidden under piles of distorted, badly played guitars."

And what exactly do you mean by "politicizing his sexual opinions," anyway? Morrissey may not have been straight (if you'll excuse the pun) about his sexual preference, but he has been VERY vocal about his sexual opinions, be it through his lyrics, album cover artwork, choice of opening acts, etc.

> Actually I didn't in so many words, but yes I am a big Morrissey fan. I
> hope I don't have to become gay to go on listening to him.

You missed my point: you used the term "gay ass" to describe Pansy Division. If you chose the word "gay" as an insult, then I don't understand how you could have any respect or admiration for ANY homosexual.

> It shouldn't be entirely irrelevant, since you cared to reply to it.

I was replying to the inanity of criticizing a band you know nothing about; your actual OPINION of the band was what I found irrelevant.

> Prejudice is an awful thing, kids, but don't push your beliefs (including
> sexual ones) on people.

Is this aimed at me, or at Pansy Division? I don't think EITHER of us has attempted to push our beliefs on anyone!

> Homosexuals are sometimes annoying in that they
> want people to notice their homosexuality and endorse it.

Yes, SOME homosexuals are very vocal about their lifestyle, but it's only because they've been scorned/ignored/repressed by society as a whole. My GOD! Can you blame them for wanting to drum up some pride and gain some acceptance?

> I don't care
> what turns you on! You're 100% equal to any other person! You're not
> special or entitled to a perpetual soapbox for being gay!

Where is this coming from?

> And most
> important of all, John Ginoli (or any other gay spokesperson) has no right
> whatsoever to criticize Morrissey's behavior on any level, be it personal
> or artistic.

...yet the right to criticize John's band (WHICH YOU'VE NOT EVEN LISTENED TO!!) is solely yours.

What a ludicrous sentiment! Everyone has every right to criticize anything and anyone they want.

And Morrissey is certainly not immune to it.