this is great
morrissey must do that show.

> this is great
> morrissey must do that show.

Yes. He must. He could plug the tour, do a show and show outrage at not being signed yet.

I just caught that myself. He noted that Morrissey lives in LA, and apparently the producers of the show have called Moz, but have not heard back from him yet. I definitely think that this will happen.

> Yes. He must. He could plug the tour, do a show and show outrage at not
> being signed yet.

... Sanctuary confirmed the album release and a possible single release to me yesterday in an e-mail (see comments section on the Sanctuary/Amazon story on the main page).

good luck... i hear that these days moz isn't returning anyone's calls or faxes.

> I just caught that myself. He noted that Morrissey lives in LA, and
> apparently the producers of the show have called Moz, but have not heard
> back from him yet. I definitely think that this will happen.

Morrissey would be a fool not to do this show.

> good luck... i hear that these days moz isn't returning anyone's calls or
> faxes.

> I just caught that myself. He noted that Morrissey lives in LA, and
> apparently the producers of the show have called Moz, but have not heard
> back from him yet. I definitely think that this will happen.

I heard the same last night. He also mentioned that Bowie's camp was contacted and has agreed to appear on the show. Hopefully the same will happen with Morrissey. He added "Morrissey is a strange guy" or something to that affect Flogging Molly was on the show last night, but couldn't stay up to watch that. Bummer.

> good luck... i hear that these days moz isn't returning anyone's calls or
> faxes.

But when did he ever return anybody's calls or faxes?

i've never seen tihs show- but i think Morrissey will definitely do it- wasn't he on Leno a couple tours ago? Did Kilborne want moz and bowie on at the *same* time though? i highly doubt that would happen.

> I heard the same last night. He also mentioned that Bowie's camp was
> contacted and has agreed to appear on the show. Hopefully the same will
> happen with Morrissey. He added "Morrissey is a strange guy" or
> something to that affect Flogging Molly was on the show last night, but
> couldn't stay up to watch that. Bummer.

> this is great
> morrissey must do that show. I think this type of information should be kept confidential at best. Thanks though andf you're right,it would be nice for him to do that show.that show's ratings would be through the roof.

> this is great
> morrissey must do that show.

No, he should do Conan O'Brien's show instead...cuz people actually WATCH it.

> No, he should do Conan O'Brien's show instead...cuz people actually WATCH
> it.
Good point made, me and virtually everybody I know are watching Conan. I'm sure Kilborne has his fans, just not that many. (like his mom, cousins and his frat brothers back from school...) Also, Conan could share with Moz his Bostonian Irish Connections at Beacon Hill... Just kiddin'...

> Good point made, me and virtually everybody I know are watching Conan. I'm
> sure Kilborne has his fans, just not that many. (like his mom, cousins and
> his frat brothers back from school...) Also, Conan could share with Moz
> his Bostonian Irish Connections at Beacon Hill... Just kiddin'...

I have a talent crush on Conan. But I probably shouldn't slam Kilborn as he's being so nice to Morrissey. Conan is kind of a rockabilly boy though, he might like Moz too, ya never know. Anyway, I'll give Kilborn another shot....

Have you noticed that Irish Catholics are taking over talk TV? Look at the cable news channels: Bill O'Reilly, Chris Mathews, Sean Hannity, Phil Donahue.
What's up w/ that.

> Good point made, me and virtually everybody I know are watching Conan. I'm
> sure Kilborne has his fans, just not that many. (like his mom, cousins and
> his frat brothers back from school...) Also, Conan could share with Moz
> his Bostonian Irish Connections at Beacon Hill... Just kiddin'...

But isn't Kilby the bigger fan?

> No, he should do Conan O'Brien's show instead...cuz people actually WATCH
> it.

ya that makes for a good story but what you're forgetting is this:
conan is mainstream = MEDIOCRITY AT IT'S BEST
i do watch conan and i like him but the truth is mainstream doesn't understand anything but mediocrity therefore, will never "get" morrissey
it doesn't matter what late nite show he does, at this point it is for his following not to recruit new fans believe me. the exposure will be nice but most would probably turn the channel. (except for this devoted one's)

> I have a talent crush on Conan. But I probably shouldn't slam Kilborn as
> he's being so nice to Morrissey. Conan is kind of a rockabilly boy though,
> he might like Moz too, ya never know. Anyway, I'll give Kilborn another
> shot....

> Have you noticed that Irish Catholics are taking over talk TV? Look at the
> cable news channels: Bill O'Reilly, Chris Mathews, Sean Hannity, Phil
> Donahue.
> What's up w/ that.

and all the jews run hollywood too.

> ya that makes for a good story but what you're forgetting is this:
> conan is mainstream = MEDIOCRITY AT IT'S BEST
> i do watch conan and i like him but the truth is mainstream doesn't
> understand anything but mediocrity therefore, will never "get"
> morrissey
> it doesn't matter what late nite show he does, at this point it is for his
> following not to recruit new fans believe me. the exposure will be nice
> but most would probably turn the channel. (except for this devoted one's)

Morrissey was on The Tonight Show twice, the most mainstream talk show around.
Jay Leno even made a big production out of having Morrissey sign his "Your Arsenal" CD. Then he was on Letterman in Letterman's most mainstream CBS era.

Conan has lots of good music guests.

And if you think he's "mediocre" you just don't know good comedy. Every night
he's funny as hell. That ain't easy. Conan has funnier sh*t on a nightly basis than SNL can pull off on a...monthly basis.

You can pat yourself on the back that you "get" a singer who the mainstream "never" could, but the fact is, if you could go back in time and play some of the catchier Smiths or Morrissey singles 30 times/day on MTV, Morrissey would be a hugely mainstream pop star today. People haven't rejected something they haven't been exposed to. Take LA for example. They play him on the radio there; he's popular there.

> Morrissey was on The Tonight Show twice, the most mainstream talk show
> around.
> Jay Leno even made a big production out of having Morrissey sign his
> "Your Arsenal" CD. Then he was on Letterman in Letterman's most
> mainstream CBS era.

> Conan has lots of good music guests.

> And if you think he's "mediocre" you just don't know good
> comedy. Every night
> he's funny as hell. That ain't easy. Conan has funnier sh*t on a nightly
> basis than SNL can pull off on a...monthly basis.

> You can pat yourself on the back that you "get" a singer who the
> mainstream "never" could, but the fact is, if you could go back
> in time and play some of the catchier Smiths or Morrissey singles 30
> times/day on MTV, Morrissey would be a hugely mainstream pop star today.
> People haven't rejected something they haven't been exposed to. Take LA
> for example. They play him on the radio there; he's popular there.

ya ya ya they are all sellouts essentially. kilbourn had "nelly" or "nellie" (however in the hell you spell it) on last nite.
and he's a huge smiths fan. so yes he has taste and also obligations. it's what the producers book not kilbourn. just bc he's jones'n for moz to be on doesn't mean the producers actually think it's a good move.
conan is funny as hell but at times it's corny, "pop" type jokes. like enough with the same fucking disco move he does EVERY SINGLE NITE. that act is old. in many ways kilbourn is funnier than conan and it's just an added plus that he loves moz
basically we're spinning our wheels discussing this bc if moz were to appear on something as insignificant as hollywood squares we'd all still watch

> Morrissey was on The Tonight Show twice, the most mainstream talk show
> around.
> Jay Leno even made a big production out of having Morrissey sign his
> "Your Arsenal" CD. Then he was on Letterman in Letterman's most
> mainstream CBS era.

> Conan has lots of good music guests.

> And if you think he's "mediocre" you just don't know good
> comedy. Every night
> he's funny as hell. That ain't easy. Conan has funnier sh*t on a nightly
> basis than SNL can pull off on a...monthly basis.

> You can pat yourself on the back that you "get" a singer who the
> mainstream "never" could, but the fact is, if you could go back
> in time and play some of the catchier Smiths or Morrissey singles 30
> times/day on MTV, Morrissey would be a hugely mainstream pop star today.
> People haven't rejected something they haven't been exposed to. Take LA
> for example. They play him on the radio there; he's popular there.

ya ya ya they are all sellouts essentially. kilbourn had "nelly" or "nellie" (however in the hell you spell it) on last nite.
and he's a huge smiths fan. so yes he has taste and also obligations. it's what the producers book not kilbourn. just bc he's jones'n for moz to be on doesn't mean the producers actually think it's a good move.
conan is funny as hell but at times it's corny, "pop" type jokes. like enough with the same fucking disco move he does EVERY SINGLE NITE. that act is old. in many ways kilbourn is funnier than conan and it's just an added plus that he loves moz
basically we're spinning our wheels discussing this bc if moz were to appear on something as insignificant as hollywood squares we'd all still watch

also, as you mentioned above, no if you went back in time and played smiths songs over and over and over to point of lulling people unconscious morrissey would never have been that BIG bc morrissey would never allow "cribs" into his home or do "behind the musics" or the countless other mind numbing productions
or ya right, i can see it now "BREAKING NEWS, MORRISSEY TO FLY OFF INTO SPACE"

WRONG SONG BROTHER - IT WOULD HAVE NEVER WENT DOWN LIKE THAT AND YOU KNOW IT!

> and all the jews run hollywood too.
Robert De Niro, Coppola, Al Pacino, Spike Lee, Robert Rodriguez, John Woo, Lucas of Star Wars, Stallone, Schwartzenegger, Van Damm... all of those Hollywooders are not Jews.
Antisemitism does not belong here!
Take care, wait, wait, wait...

> I have a talent crush on Conan. But I probably shouldn't slam Kilborn as
> he's being so nice to Morrissey. Conan is kind of a rockabilly boy though,
> he might like Moz too, ya never know. Anyway, I'll give Kilborn another
> shot....

> Have you noticed that Irish Catholics are taking over talk TV? Look at the
> cable news channels: Bill O'Reilly, Chris Mathews, Sean Hannity, Phil
> Donahue.
> What's up w/ that.
Conan is an Bostonian Irish, who went to Harvard and was there a chief editor of venerable publication Harward Lampoon, so that would explain my Boston Irish Connections joke... LOL I like Conan a lot, but my most favourite TV Irishman is Bill Maher (Politically Incorrect), who is both funny and unafraid to raise serious political questions.... Too bad, he is booted out of TV by some do-gooders PC types... I hate it and I hope some other major network would hire Bill Maher at the best time slots available! BTW, I like Bill O'Reilly for his straightforwardness and no-spin-zone spirit, even if sometimes he is inaccurate and partisan, as all political commentators are... and I vote Democrats... About Chris Mathews, to be honest, I found him an obnoxious asshole, who is so full of himself, he interrupts his guests in the mid-sentense...

OK, that's my 2 cents... Cheers

> Morrissey was on The Tonight Show twice, the most mainstream talk show
> around.
> Jay Leno even made a big production out of having Morrissey sign his
> "Your Arsenal" CD. Then he was on Letterman in Letterman's most
> mainstream CBS era.

> Conan has lots of good music guests.

> And if you think he's "mediocre" you just don't know good
> comedy. Every night
> he's funny as hell. That ain't easy. Conan has funnier sh*t on a nightly
> basis than SNL can pull off on a...monthly basis.

> You can pat yourself on the back that you "get" a singer who the
> mainstream "never" could, but the fact is, if you could go back
> in time and play some of the catchier Smiths or Morrissey singles 30
> times/day on MTV, Morrissey would be a hugely mainstream pop star today.
> People haven't rejected something they haven't been exposed to. Take LA
> for example. They play him on the radio there; he's popular there.

No, LA doesn't play Morrissey anymore... except during the occasional 80's lunch hour or very rarely on a station that plays 80's music. Even KROQ doesn't play Moz. All I hear are crap bands like Lincoln Park! For Morrissey to be "popular" today, he would have to have a DJ and someone who raps in his band and maybe a duo with P Diddy or Ja Rule.

... and I'd rather see Moz on Kilby's show.

VIVA MOZ

> No, LA doesn't play Morrissey anymore... except during the occasional 80's
> lunch hour or very rarely on a station that plays 80's music. Even KROQ
> doesn't play Moz. All I hear are crap bands like Lincoln Park! For
> Morrissey to be "popular" today, he would have to have a DJ and
> someone who raps in his band and maybe a duo with P Diddy or Ja Rule.

> ... and I'd rather see Moz on Kilby's show.

> VIVA MOZ

mmmmm yep that's what I thought

in this day and age of "pop" only prerequisite is that no intelligence be involved.
that's why it's called MAINSTREAM
THAT'S WHY CRAIGERS IS THE BEST AND MOST LIKELY ONLY CHOICE.
YA YOU SEE PAUL WESTERBERG ON LETTERMAN QUITE A BIT BUT LETS FACE IT - MOST OF LETTERMANS AUDIENCE PROBABLY HAS NO CLUE AS TO WHO "THE REPLACEMENTS" WERE

> mmmmm yep that's what I thought

> in this day and age of "pop" only prerequisite is that no
> intelligence be involved.
> that's why it's called MAINSTREAM
> THAT'S WHY CRAIGERS IS THE BEST AND MOST LIKELY ONLY CHOICE.
> YA YOU SEE PAUL WESTERBERG ON LETTERMAN QUITE A BIT BUT LETS FACE IT -
> MOST OF LETTERMANS AUDIENCE PROBABLY HAS NO CLUE AS TO WHO "THE
> REPLACEMENTS" WERE

I still have the "I Will Dare" 12"... you want it?

> I still have the "I Will Dare" 12"... you want it?

that's hilarious. I just picked up a replacements bootleg (it seemed worthy of a listen) from CBGB's
"everybody loves an egomaniac"

> No, LA doesn't play Morrissey anymore... except during the occasional 80's
> lunch hour or very rarely on a station that plays 80's music. Even KROQ
> doesn't play Moz. All I hear are crap bands like Lincoln Park! For
> Morrissey to be "popular" today, he would have to have a DJ and
> someone who raps in his band and maybe a duo with P Diddy or Ja Rule.

> ... and I'd rather see Moz on Kilby's show.

> VIVA MOZ

Well, I have no idea how much Morrissey was ever played in LA, but I do have a CD called Morrissey at KROQ, so in the 90s he was obviously played on one of their biggest stations. Which was not the case in my city, nor do we have an occasional song on some lunch hour. Obviously they aren't playing Morrissey in LA today; he doesn't have new material. And I would guess that the horrendous radio laws Bill Clinton signed have helped put the last nail in the coffin of radio in LA just like my city? The point was that Morrissey had a helluva lot of fans in LA in the 90s, and not so coincidentally enough KROQ was playing him.

In Cleveland, where I live, I can tell you preciesly how many times I've heard Morrissey on the radio. When Your Arsenal came out, there was a Sunday night "alternative" rock radio show on Sunday nights (the time slot where hardly anybody was listening) and they played "We Hate It When Our Friends BEcomes SUccessful" precisely one time. Then there was the Modern Rock Live interview which happened to be carried by a local station, so there was an hour of Morrissey, again on a Sunday night. BEyond that, I called in a request for "Nobody Loves Us" to Cleveland State University's low wattage college station, which is normally too full of their punk rock snobbery to play someone like Morrissey. They played it because I donated 20 bucks. He's probably been on a few more times than that, but I listened to the radio a lot during the 90s and that is exactly how many times I heard him. DEspite this conspiracy against him, he still sold a lot of tickets at medium sized venues. I see no reason to believe he wouldn't have sold out the basketball arena had he been played 20 times a day.

The problem with the mainstream is not that they have no ability to embrace good music. It's that they are not as into music to go to the trouble of finding stuff on their own, and so what's on their radar screens is decided by a few business people. There have been plenty of pop stars who broke thru despite being just as "oddball" or "weird" as Morrissey on first listen. And I bet in each case it was because a corporate meeting somewhere decided to give that artist some play. Just as it was not a coincidence that the two tours Morrissey had the most success in America in the early 90s were the same years he was on "Hangin' W/ MTV" and The Tonight Show, despite the first of those tours being in support of "Kill Uncle," the album of his least likely to appeal to non Morrissey obsessives. You don't need a secret handshake or a high IQ to enjoy "There Is A Light That Never Goes Out"; you just need to hear it a few times.

> THAT'S WHY CRAIGERS IS THE BEST AND MOST LIKELY ONLY CHOICE.
> YA YOU SEE PAUL WESTERBERG ON LETTERMAN QUITE A BIT BUT LETS FACE IT -
> MOST OF LETTERMANS AUDIENCE PROBABLY HAS NO CLUE AS TO WHO "THE
> REPLACEMENTS" WERE

But The Recplacements were just a straight rock and roll band, a little more unhinged than most. They could appeal to anyone who has ever been into rock and roll (personally I always found them a little overrated, but they're okay and they did rock). LEtterman's audience since he went to 11:30 includes a lot of older people who didn't have time to keep up on obscure rock bands of the 80s, as that's when they were beginning their careers. However, a good percentage of them were into similar sounds when they were young. As for LEtterman's younger audience, well, The Replacements are going on 20 years old soon....

> Well, I have no idea how much Morrissey was ever played in LA, but I do
> have a CD called Morrissey at KROQ, so in the 90s he was obviously played
> on one of their biggest stations. Which was not the case in my city, nor
> do we have an occasional song on some lunch hour. Obviously they aren't
> playing Morrissey in LA today; he doesn't have new material. And I would
> guess that the horrendous radio laws Bill Clinton signed have helped put
> the last nail in the coffin of radio in LA just like my city? The point
> was that Morrissey had a helluva lot of fans in LA in the 90s, and not so
> coincidentally enough KROQ was playing him.

> In Cleveland, where I live, I can tell you preciesly how many times I've
> heard Morrissey on the radio. When Your Arsenal came out, there was a
> Sunday night "alternative" rock radio show on Sunday nights (the
> time slot where hardly anybody was listening) and they played "We
> Hate It When Our Friends BEcomes SUccessful" precisely one time. Then
> there was the Modern Rock Live interview which happened to be carried by a
> local station, so there was an hour of Morrissey, again on a Sunday night.
> BEyond that, I called in a request for "Nobody Loves Us" to
> Cleveland State University's low wattage college station, which is
> normally too full of their punk rock snobbery to play someone like
> Morrissey. They played it because I donated 20 bucks. He's probably been
> on a few more times than that, but I listened to the radio a lot during
> the 90s and that is exactly how many times I heard him. DEspite this
> conspiracy against him, he still sold a lot of tickets at medium sized
> venues. I see no reason to believe he wouldn't have sold out the
> basketball arena had he been played 20 times a day.

> The problem with the mainstream is not that they have no ability to
> embrace good music. It's that they are not as into music to go to the
> trouble of finding stuff on their own, and so what's on their radar
> screens is decided by a few business people. There have been plenty of pop
> stars who broke thru despite being just as "oddball" or
> "weird" as Morrissey on first listen. And I bet in each case it
> was because a corporate meeting somewhere decided to give that artist some
> play. Just as it was not a coincidence that the two tours Morrissey had
> the most success in America in the early 90s were the same years he was on
> "Hangin' W/ MTV" and The Tonight Show, despite the first of
> those tours being in support of "Kill Uncle," the album of his
> least likely to appeal to non Morrissey obsessives. You don't need a
> secret handshake or a high IQ to enjoy "There Is A Light That Never
> Goes Out"; you just need to hear it a few times.

that's all true,
i got into morrissey
growing up in a culturally dry, tiny, one flavor, midwestern town, pop. 8000
i was listening to a crappy local station and heard "we hate it when our friends become successful"
i only heard it once and i knew i loved him.

> that's all true,
> i got into morrissey
> growing up in a culturally dry, tiny, one flavor, midwestern town, pop.
> 8000
> i was listening to a crappy local station and heard "we hate it when
> our friends become successful"
> i only heard it once and i knew i loved him.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure what the deal was was that in the early 90s there was a loose network of corporate "alternative" stations around the country (today we have an "extreme" rock station that's probably a clone station as well), and when they played We Hate It I got the feeling from the DJ's intro that he was playing it one time on instructions from the record label.