From the Washington Times:

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"It hurts us here," Jose Luis Luviano, a fan in Mexico City, said as he punched his chest. Tears melted the Mexican flags painted on his cheeks. "There has to be an end to this disgrace where [Americans] treat us like rats and idiots."

At the game, several thousand U.S. fans, decked out in red, white and blue, began taunting the Mexicans with chants of "Adios, amigos."

> From the Washington Times:

> "It hurts us here," Jose Luis Luviano, a fan in Mexico City,
> said as he punched his chest. Tears melted the Mexican flags painted on
> his cheeks. "There has to be an end to this disgrace where
> [Americans] treat us like rats and idiots."

> At the game, several thousand U.S. fans, decked out in red, white and
> blue, began taunting the Mexicans with chants of "Adios,
> amigos."
> LOL!

> I love the way hardly anyone in America even cares, but boy does it burn
> Mexico, like a national tragedy.

Oh please all soccer fanatics act this way at some time or another. The fact that americans are too simple minded to understand anything just coincides with their apatheticness.

> From the Washington Times:

> "It hurts us here," Jose Luis Luviano, a fan in Mexico City,
> said as he punched his chest. Tears melted the Mexican flags painted on
> his cheeks. "There has to be an end to this disgrace where
> [Americans] treat us like rats and idiots."

> At the game, several thousand U.S. fans, decked out in red, white and
> blue, began taunting the Mexicans with chants of "Adios,
> amigos."
> LOL!

> I love the way hardly anyone in America even cares, but boy does it burn
> Mexico, like a national tragedy.

interesting indeed. I think usa and cuba are the only countries all around the world where nobody cares about soccer...

> interesting indeed. I think usa and cuba are the only countries all around
> the world where nobody cares about soccer...

Has Cuba even got a national team, or any form of domestic league ?

Somehow I don't think Castro would be too happy about Man Utd trying to flog their mechandise over there.

> Somehow I don't think Castro would be too happy about Man Utd trying to
> flog their mechandise over there.

I'm pretty sure that the markets are fill of counterfeit shirts already. I bit like over here.

> Oh please all soccer fanatics act this way at some time or another. The
> fact that americans are too simple minded to understand anything just
> coincides with their apatheticness.

I think I might understand it. My guess is that soccer matches are the
only place where people in some countries (certainly in much of Europe) are allowed to be patriotic. So it explodes.

Anyway, Americans hate the thought of being more like the rest of the world.
And it's really for the best that we suck at soccer. In the interests of increased world harmony, it will be good if America loses to Germany, and badly.

> interesting indeed. I think usa and cuba are the only countries all around
> the world where nobody cares about soccer...

Do people elsewhere know that soccer is not just viewed as boring by Americans,
but also as something of a pussy sport? I don't agree with that at all, OK.
But that's a large part of the resistance. It's the sport young boys
are enrolled in by overprotective and politically correct mothers. And the sport do-gooders tried to push on us like the metric system. My understanding is soccer is the sport of the working classes elsewhere, and
liking soccer means you're a "person of the streets," or at least choosing such an affectation. It's the total opposite here, and therein may lie the difference. It's not that these things can't change, though. After all,
many of us wouldnt have been caught dead on a golf course before Tiger Woods...

As for me, it's a perfectly fun game to *play*, and I like kicking a soccer ball around at the schoolyard. I just hate watching it. But then, I hate watching (as opposed to playing) most sports, except *very occasionally* hockey, boxing, the baseball playoffs (regular season's too long...), lacrosse, and women's tennis.

> Do people elsewhere know that soccer is not just viewed as boring by
> Americans,
> but also as something of a pussy sport? I don't agree with that at all,
> OK.
> But that's a large part of the resistance. It's the sport young boys
> are enrolled in by overprotective and politically correct mothers. And the
> sport do-gooders tried to push on us like the metric system. My
> understanding is soccer is the sport of the working classes elsewhere, and
> liking soccer means you're a "person of the streets," or at
> least choosing such an affectation. It's the total opposite here, and
> therein may lie the difference. It's not that these things can't change,
> though. After all,
> many of us wouldnt have been caught dead on a golf course before Tiger
> Woods...

that's really interesting to know.

i really wanted that usa were more into soccer, and that's why i always support usa in world cup's games. anyway, as i like germany too, i don't know yet which team of both will have my support in the game that will happen soon (well, as this game will happen after brazil vs england i don't know yet how my humour will look like )

> As for me, it's a perfectly fun game to *play*, and I like kicking a
> soccer ball around at the schoolyard. I just hate watching it. But then, I
> hate watching (as opposed to playing) most sports, except *very
> occasionally* hockey, boxing, the baseball playoffs (regular season's too
> long...), lacrosse, and women's tennis.

it's just like me.

of course i like more seeing soccer games than you... but not with such a passion when my teams (coritiba or brazil) are not playing...

Congrats to Brazil, Fabricio! I think I'll root for them the rest of the way,
unless by some miracle Germany chokes. So, what happens in Brazil when they
win a game like this? Is it partying in the streets?

> Congrats to Brazil, Fabricio! I think I'll root for them the rest of the
> way,
> unless by some miracle Germany chokes.

thank you - this is very kind of you!

> So, what happens in Brazil when
> they
> win a game like this? Is it partying in the streets?

yes, for sure. I remember very well that in 1994 even me went to the streets to my car making noise!

well, in this world cup we have less parties in the streets, because the games happened very early (brazil vs england for example happened at 3:30 in the morning). Anyway, there are still a great number of cars with people making noise, and people partying at specific streets (in curitiba people went to a street called batel avenue).

> thank you - this is very kind of you!

> yes, for sure. I remember very well that in 1994 even me went to the
> streets to my car making noise!

> well, in this world cup we have less parties in the streets, because the
> games happened very early (brazil vs england for example happened at 3:30
> in the morning). Anyway, there are still a great number of cars with
> people making noise, and people partying at specific streets (in curitiba
> people went to a street called batel avenue).

i forgot saying that almost nobody here works when brazil plays...