I am just interested in knowing if Morrissey fans think that religion should be a deciding factor in whether or not families love and support each other.
In many religious groups, parents believe that if their own children choose not to follow their religous beliefs or faith, they must disown them. Even if they see each other at the supermarket, the parents will not talk to the children. Is this a radical view? Does anyone think this view is correct? Does God himself ask that families be divided this way?

> I am just interested in knowing if Morrissey fans think that religion
> should be a deciding factor in whether or not families love and support
> each other.
> In many religious groups, parents believe that if their own children
> choose not to follow their religous beliefs or faith, they must disown
> them. Even if they see each other at the supermarket, the parents will not
> talk to the children. Is this a radical view? Does anyone think this view
> is correct? Does God himself ask that families be divided this way?

Of course it shouldn't. IMO, religion is irrational hogwash made up off the
top of people's heads. You know what I find wrong is parents telling
their young children what religion they are. As if a 5 year old can
know what religious views he supports. We would laugh if a 5 year old
told you he's a Republican or a Marxist, but we don't find it odd for
a 5 year old to say he's a Muslim or a Baptist? No, instead many people
send their little kids off to religious schools where they are indoctrinated
before they can think for themselves. Which is, of course, how religions
survive. But it strikes me as child abuse. Let them decide what they are on their own when they're old enough to think.

Anyway, the last year has taught me that it's time for the non-religious
to speak up more, because religion has been effing this world up for far too long. Hating your son or daughter because he or she converts to another faith
is nothing comapred to all the mass murder going on right now just because
someone else isn't down with Islam or whatever.

Ask my parents. They've disowned me because I'm gay, and they're atheists, so religion had nothing to with it. We haven't spoken to each other in almost 10 years, and they live only 4 miles away. That makes 9 Mother's Day gifts all returned to sender.

I agree, at last a voice of reason. Religion is nothing more than organized chaos. It evolved for the simple masses who refuse to (or don't know how to) think for themselves. The seekers of simple answers flock to the church with blinders on.

> Of course it shouldn't. IMO, religion is irrational hogwash made up off
> the
> top of people's heads. You know what I find wrong is parents telling
> their young children what religion they are. As if a 5 year old can
> know what religious views he supports. We would laugh if a 5 year old
> told you he's a Republican or a Marxist, but we don't find it odd for
> a 5 year old to say he's a Muslim or a Baptist? No, instead many people
> send their little kids off to religious schools where they are
> indoctrinated
> before they can think for themselves. Which is, of course, how religions
> survive. But it strikes me as child abuse. Let them decide what they are
> on their own when they're old enough to think.

> Anyway, the last year has taught me that it's time for the non-religious
> to speak up more, because religion has been effing this world up for far
> too long. Hating your son or daughter because he or she converts to
> another faith
> is nothing comapred to all the mass murder going on right now just because
> someone else isn't down with Islam or whatever.




Have a laugh here... (http://www.darwinfish.com)

> I am just interested in knowing if Morrissey fans think that religion
> should be a deciding factor in whether or not families love and support
> each other.

Religion should be third in line behind Love and Support

In my opinion
From a MUM's viewpoint

> I am just interested in knowing if Morrissey fans think that religion
> should be a deciding factor in whether or not families love and support
> each other.
> In many religious groups, parents believe that if their own children
> choose not to follow their religous beliefs or faith, they must disown
> them. Even if they see each other at the supermarket, the parents will not
> talk to the children. Is this a radical view? Does anyone think this view
> is correct? Does God himself ask that families be divided this way?

This is probably only testament to just exactly how very sick I really am but that just strikes me as really funny! I know I shouldn't laugh but I have an inappropriate sense of humour and I just can hardly contain myself when it comes to people taking themselves so david-ike-ly... I mean there's taking the piss and then there's people just giving it away.

BTW purely out of interest, does anybody else feel like doing really inappropriate things in really inappropriate places; you know that 'you're on the edge of a cliff go on on jump' kinda sensation (metaphorically speaking that is... I mean please dont tell me if you really do want to jump off an actual cliff, in the literal sense, because I'm English you see and I'd be terribly embarrassed and would shift about a bit and not really know quite what to do... I'd be forced to talk about the weather! la la laaa)

"Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense."

Oh do do do be super xJx

I think organized religion is horrible. Take for example Jehovas Witnesses'. They will "disfellowship" you if you marry outside the religion. Disfellowshipment is when nobody that is a baptized Jehovas Witness can speak to you, this includes anyone that you have grown up with, family and friends. If they even breathe a word to you, it's time for the elders to have a meeting. You are supposedly considered DEAD in the eyes of GOD and the congregation. Its shit!
It is not allowed for families to talk to their own children. And in order to get back into the religion, you have to attend the "meetings" straight without fail for like 6 months, keep in mind that there are FIVE meetings a week. Then you have to write a kiss ass letter to "the society" in New York who will make a decision as to whether or not you qualify for reinstatement. If they say you don't, you have to wait another 6 months. IT'S MAD! How can anyone think this is a good thing?

> This is probably only testament to just exactly how very sick I really am
> but that just strikes me as really funny! I know I shouldn't laugh but I
> have an inappropriate sense of humour and I just can hardly contain myself
> when it comes to people taking themselves so david-ike-ly... I mean
> there's taking the piss and then there's people just giving it away.

> BTW purely out of interest, does anybody else feel like doing really
> inappropriate things in really inappropriate places; you know that 'you're
> on the edge of a cliff go on on jump' kinda sensation (metaphorically
> speaking that is... I mean please dont tell me if you really do want to
> jump off an actual cliff, in the literal sense, because I'm English you
> see and I'd be terribly embarrassed and would shift about a bit and not
> really know quite what to do... I'd be forced to talk about the weather!
> la la laaa)

> "Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense."

> Oh do do do be super xJx

Say what?

> This is probably only testament to just exactly how very sick I really am
> but that just strikes me as really funny! I know I shouldn't laugh but I
> have an inappropriate sense of humour and I just can hardly contain myself
> when it comes to people taking themselves so david-ike-ly... I mean
> there's taking the piss and then there's people just giving it away.

> BTW purely out of interest, does anybody else feel like doing really
> inappropriate things in really inappropriate places; you know that 'you're
> on the edge of a cliff go on on jump' kinda sensation (metaphorically
> speaking that is... I mean please dont tell me if you really do want to
> jump off an actual cliff, in the literal sense, because I'm English you
> see and I'd be terribly embarrassed and would shift about a bit and not
> really know quite what to do... I'd be forced to talk about the weather!
> la la laaa)

> "Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense."

> Oh do do do be super xJx

stupid

God, Jesus, Allah, Bhudda, Mohummus with pita bread, Boz Boorer

shuddap, the only God and Moz have in common is "no conscience." Now please go do yourself a favor and dump your head in lye and poke your eyes out with a spoon. Mr. E will visit you soon enough you stupid rape victim and a half.

> stupid

Oooh You SLASH me with your words! Your biting yet laconic style has stung me like a nettle ... pfft!

And what about those septuagenarians? All scurrying around Tescos with those clumsy tartan trolley things and fistfulls of 5p-off vaseline coupons. Damn them! Damn them all to hell!

T.P.U. xxx

But will the wobble board dream ever become real? THAT'S what I want to know!

> I am just interested in knowing if Morrissey fans think that religion
> should be a deciding factor in whether or not families love and support
> each other.
> In many religious groups, parents believe that if their own children
> choose not to follow their religous beliefs or faith, they must disown
> them. Even if they see each other at the supermarket, the parents will not
> talk to the children. Is this a radical view? Does anyone think this view
> is correct? Does God himself ask that families be divided this way?

i think the people who would do that sort of thing are probably the sad people who would probably do it anyway regardless of the reason because they are control freaks and they think the only way to solve life's problems is just to completely ignore them.

religion has divided man for long enough...we must remember the difference between RELIGION and SPIRITUALITY. it is time for humanity to step forward again....religion has been very disfunctional and has scarred the world .....many countries are still fighting all for the sake of religion."holy-war" now there's an oxy-moron!!!!!!!a man walks into a restaraunt where innocent people are eating thier lunch with c-4 strapped to his chest....boooom!!!!!!!! all in the name of religion.september 11th happened all in the name of religion!!!!!!! oh and did i mention the child molesters that are otherwise known as priests,hiding behind thier religion!!!!!! dont get me wrong people, i am a very spiritual person and believe in a power greater than myself, but i also beleive that god himself is very unhappy with this fascism!!!! my sincere appoligies to the religious people who are out there trying to live life in a positive way.we must all try to "make good of the bad been done" ......."becouse we must"

universefallingdown

I'd argue that your idea of spiritualism is what religion should really be about, it seems others have abused and polluted the word religion and thus those who believe in something for the right reasons have had to find a new word. It's just my opinion, and the people involved may really have convinced (deluded?) themselves otherwise but religious wars... oh puleeze! It's hatred hiding behind a supposedly acceptable facade; it has become an excuse... 'Don't question me its God's will' pfft yeah right!

'It's hate that makes the world go round' - unfortunately that's probably very true.

Religion is still something to inspire us to do positive things, and care about each other. No matter if you really believe in a god above, if you follow some religion, you learn the meaning of spirituality, charity. and please, don't list examples of people that used religion to kill or destroy. This is a very personal matter. You can do terrible things inspired on beautiful things. It's not religion's fault, but yours. it's easy to say that religion sucks, especially because it gives you the oportunity to do whatever you please, with no rules. it happens that we NEED some rules. That's why we need religion as well. You can practice your religion in silence, no one needs to know, you don't have to get your beliefs on them. However, we need something to give us some respect and dignity.

> religion has divided man for long enough...we must remember the difference
> between RELIGION and SPIRITUALITY. it is time for humanity to step forward
> again....religion has been very disfunctional and has scarred the world
> .....many countries are still fighting all for the sake of
> religion."holy-war" now there's an oxy-moron!!!!!!!a man walks
> into a restaraunt where innocent people are eating thier lunch with c-4
> strapped to his chest....boooom!!!!!!!! all in the name of
> religion.september 11th happened all in the name of religion!!!!!!! oh and
> did i mention the child molesters that are otherwise known as
> priests,hiding behind thier religion!!!!!! dont get me wrong people, i am
> a very spiritual person and believe in a power greater than myself, but i
> also beleive that god himself is very unhappy with this fascism!!!! my
> sincere appoligies to the religious people who are out there trying to
> live life in a positive way.we must all try to "make good of the bad
> been done" ......."becouse we must"

> universefallingdown

western society have been secular for over a century, yet secular spiritualism blessed us with those two titanic ideaology's, communism and fascisim. when man ceases to belive in god,he does not belive in nothing, he belive's in anything.

the holy war is not about religion, but a secular struggle for rigths, land and power.

wars do not neccessarily mean guns and bombs, it can take more subtle forms. to invert a phrase by clausewitz: international politics is nothing but a continuation of war by another means. it can be every bit as destructive. and to make the phrase relevent to our own time, we could say: football is nothing but the continuation of war by another means. it perfectly symbolizes the age we live in. an age that belives in nothing but recreation and entertainment. a society that gets it's dignity, self-worth and identity from want it consumes and the outcome of a game.

> and
> please, don't list examples of people that used religion to kill or
> destroy.

I can't think of anything except relgion that can get a person
to blow up a bus full of children and believe it is a *good* act.

> I can't think of anything except relgion that can get a person
> to blow up a bus full of children and believe it is a *good* act.

Or follow a diety who would order such acts. Somebody's got the wrong idea, and it's not me.

> I can't think of anything except relgion that can get a person
> to blow up a bus full of children and believe it is a *good* act

As I said, this is one of those examples, and we can't forget Mr. O. B. Laden and his legion as well.

> I can't think of anything except relgion that can get a person
> to blow up a bus full of children and believe it is a *good* act.

hey loafingoaf, i wouldn't like to begin such a discussion with you (you are a really nice fellow) but the biggest barbarism happened in this century were caused by nazism and communism that had nothing to do with religion.

nazis and communists blew up an immense number of bus full of children and they believed it was a good act.

it was "last" century, sorry. I made a mistake caused by routine...

> hey loafingoaf, i wouldn't like to begin such a discussion with you (you
> are a really nice fellow) but the biggest barbarism happened in this
> century were caused by nazism and communism that had nothing to do with
> religion.

> nazis and communists blew up an immense number of bus full of children and
> they believed it was a good act.

> hey loafingoaf, i wouldn't like to begin such a discussion with you (you
> are a really nice fellow) but the biggest barbarism happened in this
> century were caused by nazism and communism that had nothing to do with
> religion.

> nazis and communists blew up an immense number of bus full of children and
> they believed it was a good act.

I guess you make a point, and as I know you're religious I should say that
if all religious people were like you, Fabricio, the world would be great.
But I saw the news this morning, and 19 were blown up in a bus.....

> I guess you make a point, and as I know you're religious I should say that
> if all religious people were like you, Fabricio, the world would be great.

this was great, thank you very much!

> But I saw the news this morning, and 19 were blown up in a bus.....

but probably the problem is with fanatism in general and not with religion. It seems St. Thomas of Aquino said we should fear people that read just one book (like the red book of mao, the bible, coran or mein kampf from hitler) because this causes a lack of sense of rationalism that is a really terrible thing.

> but probably the problem is with fanatism in general and not with
> religion. It seems St. Thomas of Aquino said we should fear people that
> read just one book (like the red book of mao, the bible, coran or mein
> kampf from hitler) because this causes a lack of sense of rationalism that
> is a really terrible thing.

I just don't understand how little condemnation there is for that buz bomb.

Perhaps people need to read this: http://jewishworldreview.com/0602/gilo.html

That link takes you to some brief descriptions of the victims, so they're
not just numbers. It really makes me ill.

> I just don't understand how little condemnation there is for that buz
> bomb.

> Perhaps people need to read this:
> http://jewishworldreview.com/0602/gilo.html That link takes you to some
> brief descriptions of the victims, so they're
> not just numbers. It really makes me ill.

yes, i understand.

that's why is so much worse reading descriptions of nazi attrocities than simply hearing that "millions of people" died because of these attrocities.