I just read the post about the journal link on the main page. So that's what that is all about. I never knew what the hell that journal link was for. I was always too lazy to click on it and find out.

So I started reading some of the journal posts, mostly Suzanne's. There was almost 300 of them so I figured she must be pretty dedicated. All in all, it was rather interesting. I could relate.

Suzanne, you go on the Rufus board too? I check it from time to time. Lovely people and all but everyone's a little too happy. I start hyperventilating if I'm on there too long. They make me feel old with a shrunken heart.

Anyway, thanks for the entertainment. I have nothing else to do on a Friday night. Feel free to feel sorry for me.

Mmm, Rufus. Anyways, I tried reading Suzanne's journal a few times but it always put me to sleep. And no, it didn't lull me into dreamland, it gave me nightmares.

> I just read the post about the journal link on the main page. So that's
> what that is all about. I never knew what the hell that journal link was
> for. I was always too lazy to click on it and find out.

> So I started reading some of the journal posts, mostly Suzanne's. There
> was almost 300 of them so I figured she must be pretty dedicated. All in
> all, it was rather interesting. I could relate.

> Suzanne, you go on the Rufus board too? I check it from time to time.
> Lovely people and all but everyone's a little too happy. I start
> hyperventilating if I'm on there too long. They make me feel old with a
> shrunken heart.

> Anyway, thanks for the entertainment. I have nothing else to do on a
> Friday night. Feel free to feel sorry for me.

> I just read the post about the journal link on the main page. So that's
> what that is all about. I never knew what the hell that journal link was
> for. I was always too lazy to click on it and find out.

ugggghhh

well, i could do without that. i liked it being on its own island.

> So I started reading some of the journal posts, mostly Suzanne's. There
> was almost 300 of them so I figured she must be pretty dedicated. All in
> all, it was rather interesting. I could relate.

y'know, i'm trying to figure out exactly what i'm dedicated to as you say. i don't even know what my aim is. i don't think i have one. i don't think i have an aim in anything i do. there is no reason to write, and there is no reason to stop.

> Suzanne, you go on the Rufus board too? I check it from time to time.
> Lovely people and all but everyone's a little too happy. I start
> hyperventilating if I'm on there too long. They make me feel old with a
> shrunken heart.

i've discovered it recently. contributed a tiny bit. i don't know how i feel about them. there are some positives. they aren't a bunch of sick retards who have IQ's of a peanut. I find myself actually wanting to be nice to them. which, translates into: i don't exactly know what to say around them.

not in a bad way that i want to attack and shred. more like finding the note of what they might find of interest.

y'see with journals, you don't have to worry about that. if anyone reads it, it's usually because they are bored shitless.

heh..i guess i'm sort of like the resident hermit!

but it's so weird ya know...i look at them in their obsessiveness and even though i like Rufus Wainwright, i don't delve that far, and i'm thinking about my equivalency here....and i do feel OLD. A few years ago, i would not have questioned it anywhere with anyone. i suppose that's what happens when you are subjected to the boredom of adulthood for too long. for a while, you fight. and then, you start thinking, "oh well...."

but hey, i was thinking today how in the past i would write these embarassingly outlandish and "woe is me!" emails to people i knew, and even to those i barely knew, and sat around and whined all day to people who would listen. i've stopped it pretty much, more of the emails than the speaking. at least i have the journal to thank for that. i vent, and i behave in a more normal fashion.
or at least i think. it's a theory, unless there is something else out there that has sucked the will out of that part of me. i'm willing to entertain that as well.

> Anyway, thanks for the entertainment. I have nothing else to do on a
> Friday night. Feel free to feel sorry for me.

i didn't do anything. i stood around with a friend waiting for another friend, for a show that was sold out. i saw Pollock instead. I feel drained.

> y'know, i'm trying to figure out exactly what i'm dedicated to as you say.
> i don't even know what my aim is. i don't think i have one. i don't think
> i have an aim in anything i do. there is no reason to write, and there is
> no reason to stop.

That's life for you.

> i've discovered it recently. contributed a tiny bit. i don't know how i
> feel about them. there are some positives. they aren't a bunch of sick
> retards who have IQ's of a peanut. I find myself actually wanting to be
> nice to them. which, translates into: i don't exactly know what to say
> around them.

I'm not brave enough to post on there. They're all so jubilant I don't want to bring the roof crashing in or anything.

Not that I want to be 16 again. Still there is something to be said about being young, hopeful, and energetic about life.

I'm going to a Rufus show in February. I wonder what that experience will be like. Have you seen him live at all? His Poses album got under my skin so I have to make the trek.

> not in a bad way that i want to attack and shred. more like finding the
> note of what they might find of interest.

Did you manage it?

> y'see with journals, you don't have to worry about that. if anyone reads
> it, it's usually because they are bored shitless.

Um yeah that's where I come in

> i didn't do anything. i stood around with a friend waiting for another
> friend, for a show that was sold out. i saw Pollock instead. I feel
> drained.

That almost sounds exciting. Here's my Friday night. 1. Get on internet, realize there is nothing to look at and sign off. (Repeat 3 times throughout the night) 2. Talk to friend on phone. Go back to step 1.

> That's life for you.

yeah, you'd think that there would be some sort of purpose in living, right?

> I'm not brave enough to post on there. They're all so jubilant I don't
> want to bring the roof crashing in or anything.

i feel like i'd easily slip through the cracks there. just like here, actually, but worse.

> Not that I want to be 16 again. Still there is something to be said about
> being young, hopeful, and energetic about life.

yeah, it does make a difference. if nothing more than when you are young and are subjected to everyone else's wishes, you keep hoping that one day your own decisions will mean something, and suddenly, the world will crack wide open for you because you will be free. and all you have to do is hold out.

> I'm going to a Rufus show in February. I wonder what that experience will
> be like. Have you seen him live at all? His Poses album got under my skin
> so I have to make the trek.

no, i haven't seen him live. i had the chance to once. before his first album even came out, he played at SXSW. i recognized the name, of course, because i saw his dad Loudon Wainwright play there the year before and i took a liking for it.

however, you know what it's like being hopeful about life, and that was when i was trying to do something in music, and if i'm not mistaken, that was a night that i was trying to play music on a street corner with a friend i saw at open mics, and it was mostly a disaster.

i think he started avoiding me after that!

anyway, it would have been a better evening had i just gone to see Rufus. it's so rare to see anyone who is an unknown who performs at those things finally achieve something of any merit. and he's so great. Poses is just an amazing album. Better than anything i've heard all year long. I'm tired of it, and i can't stop listening to it, that's how great it is.

and he came through with Tori Amos back in November, but of course the tickets were all gone. and he's not coming anywhere nearby on this lastest tour, so, it might be a while. but i'm used to it. most of the acts i want to see never come here.

But Loudon Wainwright is coming here next weekend. he's not too shabby himself, so he's not a consolation prize. and i genuinely like him, so i need to make a point of getting a ticket.

> Did you manage it?

i don't know. i just started posting about a week ago. but i can't imagine marching in and being noticed. like here. if i didn't write as much as i did and if it weren't for the weirdos who latched on, i would be invisible.

unless, of course, Rufus starts writing songs about me...... :^P

> Um yeah that's where I come in

> That almost sounds exciting. Here's my Friday night. 1. Get on internet,
> realize there is nothing to look at and sign off. (Repeat 3 times
> throughout the night) 2. Talk to friend on phone. Go back to step 1.

that sounds like most of my nights of the week.

> yeah, you'd think that there would be some sort of purpose in living,
> right?

That's what everyone wants you to believe but I'm suspicious. I don't know how attainable finding a true purpose is for most people. The world purpose is a bit overwhelming to me. I try to look at life as a bunch of different experiences mashed together with the ultimate goal being to have more good ones than bad ones.

If I get any more complex about it than that, I'll most likely get depressed.

> yeah, it does make a difference. if nothing more than when you are young
> and are subjected to everyone else's wishes, you keep hoping that one day
> your own decisions will mean something, and suddenly, the world will crack
> wide open for you because you will be free. and all you have to do is hold
> out.

But if you hold out and nothing happens you're bound to feel defeated.
Then what?

> no, i haven't seen him live. i had the chance to once. before his first
> album even came out, he played at SXSW. i recognized the name, of course,
> because i saw his dad Loudon Wainwright play there the year before and i
> took a liking for it.

How was he? I haven't really explored his music. I did catch his performance on that awful Greg Kilborn show, it was quite nice. His facial expressions alone were something to behold.

> anyway, it would have been a better evening had i just gone to see Rufus.
> it's so rare to see anyone who is an unknown who performs at those things
> finally achieve something of any merit. and he's so great. Poses is just
> an amazing album. Better than anything i've heard all year long. I'm tired
> of it, and i can't stop listening to it, that's how great it is.

I've only had it for about a month so I'm still in the honeymoon stage.
Cd's are like relationships for me. There's the constants I want to keep around, the brief affairs, and then there's the ones that really rip my world apart, inspire me and and make me happy to be alive.

Yeah I take my cds pretty seriously - heh heh.

> and he came through with Tori Amos back in November, but of course the
> tickets were all gone. and he's not coming anywhere nearby on this lastest
> tour, so, it might be a while. but i'm used to it. most of the acts i want
> to see never come here.

I'm pretty lucky show-wise because I live on the east coast. I can usually see who I want even though it might involve a long drive.

> But Loudon Wainwright is coming here next weekend. he's not too shabby
> himself, so he's not a consolation prize. and i genuinely like him, so i
> need to make a point of getting a ticket.

Oh I want to hear about it. I'd love to see him live. I want to see him do some of those weird faces again. It seems really honest or something.

> that sounds like most of my nights of the week.

Thank god I'm not the only one.

What does he sound like? I'm quite interested in hearing him, but don't think any of his albums have been released locally. If I was to order an album, which one should i get. Sell him to me, please.

STH

> What does he sound like? I'm quite interested in hearing him, but don't
> think any of his albums have been released locally. If I was to order an
> album, which one should i get. Sell him to me, please.
> STH

I would say definitely get Poses.

Go here: http://www.rufuswainwright.com/noflash/rufus_noflash.html

and click on music. You can hear clips from each of the songs on Poses.

He's awesome. Wonderful lyrics, (click on songs to check them out) great voice, what more can I say. Oh yeah and he's damn cute to look at too

Let me know what you think!

> That's what everyone wants you to believe but I'm suspicious. I don't know
> how attainable finding a true purpose is for most people. The world
> purpose is a bit overwhelming to me. I try to look at life as a bunch of
> different experiences mashed together with the ultimate goal being to have
> more good ones than bad ones.

i suppose. but that sort of takes the idea that you are in full control of your destiny. sometimes you aren't. you may not have that chance to say "today, i'm going to the outback and looking for Koalas" or something else.

> If I get any more complex about it than that, I'll most likely get
> depressed.

> But if you hold out and nothing happens you're bound to feel defeated.
> Then what?

i've been trying to answer that question for quite some time.

but lately, i don't feel like investing in the long term. i'm sorta tired of doing things and they not go anywhere, and i'm tired of doing things where i have to prove something, so i suppose i've been going for immediacy and things that aren't required to astound anyone.

> How was he? I haven't really explored his music. I did catch his
> performance on that awful Greg Kilborn show, it was quite nice. His facial
> expressions alone were something to behold.

no, i didn't actually get to see him. that was my point. i was time wasting that night instead.

> I've only had it for about a month so I'm still in the honeymoon stage.
> Cd's are like relationships for me. There's the constants I want to keep
> around, the brief affairs, and then there's the ones that really rip my
> world apart, inspire me and and make me happy to be alive.

i don't know what sort of relationship i have with it. i can't get enough of it, but i can't identify exactly what emotion it inspires in me. which is strange because usually, you would think that it would mean something very specific.

> Yeah I take my cds pretty seriously - heh heh.

i sometimes do. actually, i'm getting tired of my current set and have no clue what to go onto next.

> I'm pretty lucky show-wise because I live on the east coast. I can usually
> see who I want even though it might involve a long drive.

hmm...

i suppose i shouldn't complain too much as i don't even make a lot of effort to see the shows that do come to town. another sign of age!

> Oh I want to hear about it. I'd love to see him live. I want to see him do
> some of those weird faces again. It seems really honest or something.

what? you saw him another time?

i kinda like his little foot stomp. he sorta reminds me of a kid having a tantrum.

> Thank god I'm not the only one.

i'm sure there are plenty.

oh, and by the way, if you don't hear from me, that means my new keyboard is not working. i'm currently at someone else's house typing this. i spilled water on my other one and it started doing goofy things afterwards, and i haven't tested the new one and my computer is old enough that there might be some issues.

> i suppose. but that sort of takes the idea that you are in full control of
> your destiny. sometimes you aren't. you may not have that chance to say
> "today, i'm going to the outback and looking for Koalas" or
> something else.

I know what you mean but in the big scheme of things I guess I do feel that I'm pretty much in control of my destiny. I can't really be a "what if" person. I'll drive myself mad thinking that way.

That said, considering the way my life has been going, I almost wish I could hire someone else for the job. It would be nice to have someone looking out for me and saying "no, what the hell are you doing, don't do that! This is the smart thing to do" Of course I would just end up telling them to shut up because I knew what I was doing anyway.

> but lately, i don't feel like investing in the long term. i'm sorta tired
> of doing things and they not go anywhere, and i'm tired of doing things
> where i have to prove something, so i suppose i've been going for
> immediacy and things that aren't required to astound anyone.

That's exactly how I feel. I think most people are probably better living that way. There's just less disappointment and stress.

> no, i didn't actually get to see him. that was my point. i was time
> wasting that night instead.

Oh ok I thought you did see Loudon in concert. Doh I got confused somewhere along the line.

> i sometimes do. actually, i'm getting tired of my current set and have no
> clue what to go onto next.

Your current set of cds? Yeah that always happens to me. I kind of absorb everything to the point where I can't really absorb it anymore and need to put it away and find something new. Finding new music is really hard for me though. I'm incredibly picky. It has to really hit me otherwise I don't even want to bother with it.

> i suppose i shouldn't complain too much as i don't even make a lot of
> effort to see the shows that do come to town. another sign of age!

I'm always finding out about shows too late. I hate when I find out someone I would have liked to have seen just passed through last month. Ugh.

> what? you saw him another time?

Oh no sorry I never saw Loudon "live" per se. I was just talking about watching him on that TV appearance. The only time I've ever "seen" him actually. Rufus I'm seeing in February, I can't wait.

> i kinda like his little foot stomp. he sorta reminds me of a kid having a
> tantrum.

Yes! That is so funny, it really does. He did that on the Greg Kilborn show. Between that and his facial expressions he was a hoot. I was looking through Loudon's lyrics the other day online and he is a great lyricist. Really humorous and in touch with things.

> oh, and by the way, if you don't hear from me, that means my new keyboard
> is not working. i'm currently at someone else's house typing this. i
> spilled water on my other one and it started doing goofy things
> afterwards, and i haven't tested the new one and my computer is old enough
> that there might be some issues.

Ah that sucks. I'm amazed that over the years this has never happened to me. I'm always drinking tea in front of the computer. I hope the new keyboard works out for you.

> I know what you mean but in the big scheme of things I guess I do feel
> that I'm pretty much in control of my destiny. I can't really be a
> "what if" person. I'll drive myself mad thinking that way.

i don't feel that way. i feel like things happen and i'm incidental.

> That said, considering the way my life has been going, I almost wish I
> could hire someone else for the job. It would be nice to have someone
> looking out for me and saying "no, what the hell are you doing, don't
> do that! This is the smart thing to do" Of course I would just end up
> telling them to shut up because I knew what I was doing anyway.

yeah, i always make the wrong decisions. or at least the ones i try to make. it's so much easier when you are looking at other people and deciding what is sensible for them, but then, it comes to you and you are thinking there is some special case involved, but the truth is that there probably isn't.

> That's exactly how I feel. I think most people are probably better living
> that way. There's just less disappointment and stress.

> Oh ok I thought you did see Loudon in concert. Doh I got confused
> somewhere along the line.

after reading the rest of it, i think we got all of this turned around somewhere.

but yes, i did see Loudon. No, i did not see Rufus. Rufus is the guy i missed out on due to stupidity on my end.

Loudon actually played in the same venue as Billy Bragg, peter case, and iris dement that night, which was a good explanation of why i got to see him. i decided to turn up early as i couldn't judge what sort of crowd would turn out. Billy was playing some songs from the then up-coming Mermaid Avenue collection.

> Your current set of cds? Yeah that always happens to me. I kind of absorb
> everything to the point where I can't really absorb it anymore and need to
> put it away and find something new. Finding new music is really hard for
> me though. I'm incredibly picky. It has to really hit me otherwise I don't
> even want to bother with it.

i'm looking at Ella Fitzgerald. i know someone who is a fan, and i figure it might do some good to expand the circle of sounds that i listen to.

besides, i like things i can sing along to! even if it's not that good.

> I'm always finding out about shows too late. I hate when I find out
> someone I would have liked to have seen just passed through last month.
> Ugh.

i don't really have that problem. sometimes, i'm not very observant and i miss things, but generally....i try to scour the papers looking for things. sometimes i get bored and don't bother to look for a while.

> Oh no sorry I never saw Loudon "live" per se. I was just talking
> about watching him on that TV appearance. The only time I've ever
> "seen" him actually. Rufus I'm seeing in February, I can't wait.

i thought you meant RUFUS was on TV!!!!!!

sheesh!!!!!

> Yes! That is so funny, it really does. He did that on the Greg Kilborn
> show. Between that and his facial expressions he was a hoot. I was looking
> through Loudon's lyrics the other day online and he is a great lyricist.
> Really humorous and in touch with things.

i suppose. he's not my number one fave, but he's an interesting way to spend the evening.

which, it feels incestuous that i like both Loudon and Rufus. am i wrong?

the saddest thing was that he was on that show Undeclared all season long on Fox, and i never once got to see it. It was always on tuesday nights at 7:30PM, which is church choir practice, and i've lost the remote to my VCR, so i can't program it to record anything, and i'm too stupid to buy a new one, and i'm not sure if that show is coming back next season. he looks perfect for the role. and i read about him being on the show and i was like "hey, cool!" but i don't watch TV. I can't remember these things even if it was on a night of the week i was at home and bored. I think i've seen one episode of ER.

> Ah that sucks. I'm amazed that over the years this has never happened to
> me. I'm always drinking tea in front of the computer. I hope the new
> keyboard works out for you.

obviously, it does! and its much better than my old one!

i always drink in front of it, and eat meals and everything else. 'tis the life of a bachelorette. i own a perfectly fine diningroom table and i'm in here with my supper instead.

but who knows? that keyboard might have been on its last legs anyway. it was an offbrand and about 4 years old to boot.

> yeah, i always make the wrong decisions. or at least the ones i try to
> make. it's so much easier when you are looking at other people and
> deciding what is sensible for them, but then, it comes to you and you are
> thinking there is some special case involved, but the truth is that there
> probably isn't.

So true.

Sad thing is I do this all the time. I'll tell a friend something and say how they have to stop doing such and such and then do the same damn thing myself. I guess it's always easier to have someone else do the "right" thing than to actually do it yourself.

> Loudon actually played in the same venue as Billy Bragg, peter case, and
> iris dement that night, which was a good explanation of why i got to see
> him. i decided to turn up early as i couldn't judge what sort of crowd
> would turn out. Billy was playing some songs from the then up-coming
> Mermaid Avenue collection.

Damn that must have been a good night. I've never seen Billy live (I'm a fan of his) but everyone I've known who's seen him says he's great. Real chatty.

> i thought you meant RUFUS was on TV!!!!!!
> sheesh!!!!!

heh hee! Yeah we definitely got everything jumbled up. Did you catch Rufus's appearance on Leno? I actually remembered it was on (ok I taped a sticky note to the TV) and managed to tape it. It was nice.

> which, it feels incestuous that i like both Loudon and Rufus. am i wrong?

Heh heh. Somehow I don't feel incestuous at all!

> the saddest thing was that he was on that show Undeclared all season long
> on Fox, and i never once got to see it. It was always on tuesday nights at
> 7:30PM, which is church choir practice, and i've lost the remote to my
> VCR, so i can't program it to record anything, and i'm too stupid to buy a
> new one, and i'm not sure if that show is coming back next season.

I think it may be. It was mentioned when Loudon was on Greg Kilborn. I never saw Undeclared either but I'll try to make it a point to catch it if it does return. It would be cool to see him on there.

> looks perfect for the role. and i read about him being on the show and i
> was like "hey, cool!" but i don't watch TV. I can't remember
> these things even if it was on a night of the week i was at home and
> bored. I think i've seen one episode of ER.

I watched ER in part a few times. Mostly by accident. I never could manage a complete episode. I can't really understood the fascination with it. Maybe my attention span is too short.

> i always drink in front of it, and eat meals and everything else. 'tis the
> life of a bachelorette. i own a perfectly fine diningroom table and i'm in
> here with my supper instead.

Um ok I wasn't going to admit I eat in front of the computer but since you mentioned it I do that as well. Now instead of reading the back of a cereal box
I just plop down in front of the computer.

> So true.

> Sad thing is I do this all the time. I'll tell a friend something and say
> how they have to stop doing such and such and then do the same damn thing
> myself. I guess it's always easier to have someone else do the
> "right" thing than to actually do it yourself.

i suppose. but it always looks much simpler in their case, and you have to wonder how much of your own problems are real, or if they're nothing more than mental blocks.

of course nobody answers that question because nobody really wants you to succeed in anything anyway.

> Damn that must have been a good night. I've never seen Billy live (I'm a
> fan of his) but everyone I've known who's seen him says he's great. Real
> chatty.

yeah, he was fun. he also played an in-store a few months later. i'd never really heard his music before that night.

> heh hee! Yeah we definitely got everything jumbled up. Did you catch
> Rufus's appearance on Leno? I actually remembered it was on (ok I taped a
> sticky note to the TV) and managed to tape it. It was nice.

yeah, i did. i was sad when it was a Beatle's cover.

apparently, Poses is now going to be "rereleased" but with that song tacked onto the end. which, i don't know how i feel about it because i feel like the record company is indirectly trying to profit off of George harrison's death by coattailing Rufus onto it with the nostalgia factor.

Like how they keep re-releasing Lee Greenwood albums every time there is a national disaster.

but you know how it is when they try to build someone's career off of a cover: it usually doesn't work. can you think of any singer/songwriter who has been able to do it? and it shows how little faith they have in his existing material. the fact that it's classic is not good enough for them, and they are sitting around in their offices freaking out that they don't know how to promote him.

i hate it when they do that. they get something that's promising, they show no faith in it and so they step in and start messing it up, and the people at home start getting confused and they give up, and then, when it dies, they are all like "well, there is nothing we could have done with it."

> Heh heh. Somehow I don't feel incestuous at all!

i do. its weird he has a son that's my age, and his son is mopping the floor with everyone. not that i followed Loudon from the beginning or anything.

> I think it may be. It was mentioned when Loudon was on Greg Kilborn. I
> never saw Undeclared either but I'll try to make it a point to catch it if
> it does return. It would be cool to see him on there.

well, its on tomorrow night, that i know.

> I watched ER in part a few times. Mostly by accident. I never could manage
> a complete episode. I can't really understood the fascination with it.
> Maybe my attention span is too short.

i don't either. then again, i dont understand the fascination of most TV.

> Um ok I wasn't going to admit I eat in front of the computer but since you
> mentioned it I do that as well. Now instead of reading the back of a
> cereal box
> I just plop down in front of the computer.

that makes me feel much better about my stuff! can i quote you?

at least the reading material i produce is much longer and therefore, you don't have to keep reading it over and over again, even though i am lacking in crossword puzzles.

> Let me know what you think!

Thanks .... I'll have a listen tonight and maybe try to buy an album this week.

Cheers,
STH

> i suppose. but it always looks much simpler in their case, and you have to
> wonder how much of your own problems are real, or if they're nothing more
> than mental blocks.

But mental blocks would be a whole other problem wouldn't it? So I guess either way you look at it they have a problem. A lot of times I think I stand in the way of my own solutions but it's so hard not to sometimes. And I don't think I'm a weak person either.

> yeah, he was fun. he also played an in-store a few months later. i'd never
> really heard his music before that night.

I always wanted to see a favorite artist play an in-store. I think that should be Morrissey's next move. If he ever comes out with any new material that is. Either way that won't ever happen but I can dream.

> yeah, i did. i was sad when it was a Beatle's cover.

I had already read on the Rufus board that it was going to be Across The Universe so I was prepared for that disappoinment. It was still great to see him but yeah I would have preferred it to have been an original.

> apparently, Poses is now going to be "rereleased" but with that
> song tacked onto the end.

Ugh is it really? Thankfully I'll have my perfectly realized first edition and not the mucked up add-on edition.

>and it shows how little faith they have in his existing material.

Yeah most record companies only have faith in things that bring them a lot of money fast though. It's typical, what can you do. Well, with the exception of Indie labels. I don't know much about his label Dreamworks do you?

>but the fact that it's classic is not good enough for them, and they are >sitting around in their offices freaking out that they don't
> know how to promote him.

Personally I can't really see Across The Universe being a big hit for him.
I don't know why. Is it doing well? I know on the message board they seem to think it's going to bring him to the masses but I just can't see it. Of course that may just be my own bias about the cover versus his original material.

> i hate it when they do that. they get something that's promising, they
> show no faith in it and so they step in and start messing it up, and the
> people at home start getting confused and they give up, and then, when it
> dies, they are all like "well, there is nothing we could have done
> with it."

I hate it too but that's what record companies do, they can't help themselves.
They have one track minds. I always think trying to steer an artists music/image in a certain direction (certainly a more mainstream direction) is a bad idea. The more you manipulate it against what it is the more the purity is lost and like you said the more you confuse people.

Did you hear that supposedly Rufus was planning on releasing his next album within 6 months of the release of Poses? I guess that 6 month mark is passed now but that would have been nice. Something to look forward to.

> well, its on tomorrow night, that i know.

I'll have to check it out.

> i don't either. then again, i dont understand the fascination of most TV.

> that makes me feel much better about my stuff! can i quote you?

Feel free.

> But mental blocks would be a whole other problem wouldn't it? So I guess
> either way you look at it they have a problem. A lot of times I think I
> stand in the way of my own solutions but it's so hard not to sometimes.
> And I don't think I'm a weak person either.

oh, i'm a VERY weak person!

but mostly, i just feel like outside things just don't help that much. i have a hard enough time going from point A to point B without any obstacles ruining my mad dash.

most of the time, i really don't kow what i could have done differently.

> I always wanted to see a favorite artist play an in-store. I think that
> should be Morrissey's next move. If he ever comes out with any new
> material that is. Either way that won't ever happen but I can dream.

even if moz was to ever record again, i can't imagine any in-store. at least with signings, they have a way of making the crowd manageable. this other way, they'll be tearing up stuff.

> I had already read on the Rufus board that it was going to be Across The
> Universe so I was prepared for that disappoinment. It was still great to
> see him but yeah I would have preferred it to have been an original.

> Ugh is it really? Thankfully I'll have my perfectly realized first edition
> and not the mucked up add-on edition.

yes, it plays out much better. it's odd thinking that there will be some random track tacked onto the end.

every album i have that has these "bonus tracks", even if i had never heard the album in its original state, there is always something massively off kilter.

you get to the end, and suddenly, wham! the tone changes and you are kinda like "huh?"

at least, i can hear it. If you owned the Viva Hate re-release, i think you will know what i mean.

> Yeah most record companies only have faith in things that bring them a lot
> of money fast though. It's typical, what can you do. Well, with the
> exception of Indie labels. I don't know much about his label Dreamworks do
> you?

no, not really. All i know is that i believe it contains David Geffen (the G in SKG), which he is usually deemed as the spawn of satan in some circles.

other than that, i don't know much about their roster. at least i suppose it wasn't a bad thing that someone like Rufus could find a home on such a large label.

> Personally I can't really see Across The Universe being a big hit for him.
> I don't know why. Is it doing well? I know on the message board they seem
> to think it's going to bring him to the masses but I just can't see it. Of
> course that may just be my own bias about the cover versus his original
> material.

i'm not sure. but they're paranoid like that. suddenly, he will be stolen away from their little group and they will get pissed. either there will be a bit of "hey, this is a Beatle's song and George Harrison has just died" or not. Which, is what i think caused the labelheads to stick it on the album. Whether or not the radio stations buy it is another thing. I can't imagine why else they would play it. if the recorded version is like it was on Leno, it doesn't seem very exciting.

> I hate it too but that's what record companies do, they can't help
> themselves.
> They have one track minds. I always think trying to steer an artists
> music/image in a certain direction (certainly a more mainstream direction)
> is a bad idea. The more you manipulate it against what it is the more the
> purity is lost and like you said the more you confuse people.

but what exactly is pure? Even with the Smiths, how many outside hands were there in steering them into what they became?

to see what i mean, if you do look at any of the bios written on the band, you see that there are tons and tons of other names listed that you haven't even heard of. but they got the band their first gigs, produced them, got them on the radio, came up with some of their marketing, signed them, and what else.

what i see Dreamworks doing is trying to hitch their artist on the coattails of sentimentality. it's like stapling a rembrandt onto a Pollock just to get people to take a look.

> Did you hear that supposedly Rufus was planning on releasing his next
> album within 6 months of the release of Poses? I guess that 6 month mark
> is passed now but that would have been nice. Something to look forward to.

i have no clue. i just pop up and see if there is anything new happening.

but i think also since he's been on tour, that if it's not a live album, i can't imagine what he would put out unless it was already recorded like Kid A.

> I'll have to check it out.

> Feel free.

because you never know when that will be handy as a sales logo.

> oh, i'm a VERY weak person!

I used to think I was a weak person but I started to think that it was just something I fell back on. I just felt more comfortable thinking I was weak for some reason. It was only recently actually that some things happened in my life where I started thinking "hey you're stronger than you think you are" It was quite a nice feeling really.

> most of the time, i really don't kow what i could have done differently.

It's better that way. It's depressing to look back and say oh if only I would have done this differently everything would be great now.

> every album i have that has these "bonus tracks", even if i had
> never heard the album in its original state, there is always something
> massively off kilter.

Same here. I wonder how the artists themselves feel about it. I imagine a lot of the time they have no say.

> at least, i can hear it. If you owned the Viva Hate re-release, i think
> you will know what i mean.

I have it, I know what you mean.

> i'm not sure. but they're paranoid like that. suddenly, he will be stolen
> away from their little group and they will get pissed. either there will
> be a bit of "hey, this is a Beatle's song and George Harrison has
> just died" or not. Which, is what i think caused the labelheads to
> stick it on the album. Whether or not the radio stations buy it is another
> thing. I can't imagine why else they would play it. if the recorded
> version is like it was on Leno, it doesn't seem very exciting.

The recorded version is very similar to the version he did on Leno. The Beatles version is better, but then I usually feel that way about covers with the exception of a few. Rufus's version is nice but it doesn't really inspire me or anything.

> but what exactly is pure? Even with the Smiths, how many outside hands
> were there in steering them into what they became?

I guess pure as in as close to the artists vision as possible. Not having too many people come in and alter and mold things to make it more mainstream. I always felt the Smiths were very unique in their vision and that they're weren't too many hands in the pot. Am I wrong? I don't know, maybe I'm being naive but it always seemed that way.

> to see what i mean, if you do look at any of the bios written on the band,
> you see that there are tons and tons of other names listed that you
> haven't even heard of. but they got the band their first gigs, produced
> them, got them on the radio, came up with some of their marketing, signed
> them, and what else.

Well, I know there is a lot of behind the scenes people and certainly a lot of people had a great deal to do with the Smiths success besides The Smiths themselves. There is no doubting that. When I mentioned purity I was talking more about their artistic vision.

> but i think also since he's been on tour, that if it's not a live album, i
> can't imagine what he would put out unless it was already recorded like
> Kid A.

Supposedly, from what I read, he had a lot of original material that was never used on the first two albums. I really hope it's not a live album. I'm generally always disappointed by them. Especially if there is nothing new brought to the song, what's the point?

I just remembered Undeclared is on now....

One last thing, I read that Loudon is going to be on Conan February 25th. It's a repeat but you may have missed it the first time around as I did.

> I used to think I was a weak person but I started to think that it was
> just something I fell back on. I just felt more comfortable thinking I was
> weak for some reason. It was only recently actually that some things
> happened in my life where I started thinking "hey you're stronger
> than you think you are" It was quite a nice feeling really.

i just don't feel the same.

> It's better that way. It's depressing to look back and say oh if only I
> would have done this differently everything would be great now.

i don't really assume that. i figure things would have played out to that end regardless. if i hadn't done it, well, something else would have come in and messed it up anyway.

> Same here. I wonder how the artists themselves feel about it. I imagine a
> lot of the time they have no say.

i figure he didn't. and even if he did, he was probably snowballed with "hey, Roofie baby, we can sell a ZILLION albums if you tack this on."

> I have it, I know what you mean.

> The recorded version is very similar to the version he did on Leno. The
> Beatles version is better, but then I usually feel that way about covers
> with the exception of a few. Rufus's version is nice but it doesn't really
> inspire me or anything.

after i did some more ground-level research, i'm more than certain this tactic is going to be a failure:

1. the cover is already included on the "i am sam" soundtrack, which, apparently, is selling very well. too well, actually. my local Tower record has it listed in their top 10 albums currently being sold.

2. if all of those people are buying the soundtrack, what incentive is there for them to say, "hey, you know, i'd REALLY like to buy his entire album just for the one song i already own!"

3. Sarah Mc Lauchlans' cover of "Black Bird" from the exact same album is already getting airplay, and so it looks like she beat him to the punch.

it kinda bothers me. what plans they have for his career, or is this a sign that they have no faith in his material and may be dropped?

> I guess pure as in as, ose to the artists vision as possible. Not having
> too many people come in and alter and mold things to make it more
> mainstream. I always felt the Smiths were very unique in their vision and
> that they're weren't too many hands in the pot. Am I wrong? I don't know,
> maybe I'm being naive but it always seemed that way.

Most bands have some outside influence steering their path.

A big one in the Smiths' case is the media. They were the ones who created the "controversies" surrounding him. They are the ones who harp on his supposed celibacy and his being the champion of the lonely saddos out there. If it weren't for them who so neatly packaged the idea of what it means to be a Smiths' fan for their audience to easily digest, and if they weren't intent on recycling the same story over and over again, relying more on myth than fact, what then?

> Well, I know there is a lot of behind the scenes people and certainly a
> lot of people had a great deal to do with the Smiths success besides The
> Smiths themselves. There is no doubting that. When I mentioned purity I
> was talking more about their artistic vision.

> Supposedly, from what I read, he had a lot of original material that was
> never used on the first two albums. I really hope it's not a live album.
> I'm generally always disappointed by them. Especially if there is nothing
> new brought to the song, what's the point?

i wouldn't think it would be. but i don't know how i feel about getting scraps of two albums. maybe there are classics in there that wouldn't work in the context of the other albums. who knows?

> I just remembered Undeclared is on now....

well, i missed it. i was practicing my hymnals.

i find it comical that they write these pretty little songs where there are lines like "and his foes will meet their destruction..."

yes, what a nice way to toss in some bloodlust.

Here's my new hymn

"lord, we give you thanks
blessed is he at the right hand of the father
praise thy name, lambs of God
and let us be saved

and to your foes may their teeth fall out
and may their eyes dangle bloodily from their sockets
let their hemmorhoids swell and block the light of day
we sing praise to you, our saviour..."

> One last thing, I read that Loudon is going to be on Conan February 25th.
> It's a repeat but you may have missed it the first time around as I did.

that's a long way off. damn. i have to make it through both valentine's day, president's day, and who knows what else.

which it turns out i was wrong. his in-town performance is later than i thought. on well. i have no concept of time.

> i don't really assume that. i figure things would have played out to that
> end regardless. if i hadn't done it, well, something else would have come
> in and messed it up anyway.

I felt like that for a long time too. In some ways I still do, but it's just self defeating. Stop doing it I tell you. You'll drive yourself mad.

> i figure he didn't. and even if he did, he was probably snowballed with
> "hey, Roofie baby, we can sell a ZILLION albums if you tack this
> on."

Very true. Have you gone on the Rufus board lately? There was a bit of a war going on last I looked. Some veteran poster (baptismal beauty I think her name was) came on and started knocking the newer members posts. She seemed a bit of a pain in the ass from what I read. Oh the ruthlessness of online message boards!

> it kinda bothers me. what plans they have for his career, or is this a
> sign that they have no faith in his material and may be dropped?

I don't know if they'll drop him. He still has a bit of a buzz going from Poses so I think they'll keep him around for a bit. As for them having faith in his material - I think in their big fat heads they think there's something there but they're just trying to force it to sell faster. "Okay guys we got the buzz on Roofie - now hurry sell him, sell him!" When money is involved people get really impatient. The buzz was happening before the release of "Across The Universe" I think. I really agree that they are freaking out on how to market him.

> A big one in the Smiths' case is the media. They were the ones who created
> the "controversies" surrounding him. They are the ones who harp
> on his supposed celibacy and his being the champion of the lonely saddos
> out there. If it weren't for them who so neatly packaged the idea of what
> it means to be a Smiths' fan for their audience to easily digest, and if
> they weren't intent on recycling the same story over and over again,
> relying more on myth than fact, what then?

I see your point, begrudgingly though

> well, i missed it. i was practicing my hymnals.

He didn't make an appearance. I watched it (not carefully though) and I didn't see him. It was a bit hard for me to concentrate on it, I always have a hard time getting into new shows.

> Here's my new hymn
> "lord, we give you thanks
> blessed is he at the right hand of the father
> praise thy name, lambs of God
> and let us be saved
> and to your foes may their teeth fall out
> and may their eyes dangle bloodily from their sockets
> let their hemmorhoids swell and block the light of day
> we sing praise to you, our saviour..."

I dare you to sing it at Sunday mass.

> that's a long way off. damn. i have to make it through both valentine's
> day, president's day, and who knows what else.

Yes, I know. I'll have to make a note of it, otherwise I'm sure to forget.
Of course the note is bound to get lost and I'll find it after the fact.
Murphy's law or something like that.

> I felt like that for a long time too. In some ways I still do, but it's
> just self defeating. Stop doing it I tell you. You'll drive yourself mad.

let me get my magic wand...

*poof!*

i'm normal!

> Very true. Have you gone on the Rufus board lately? There was a bit of a
> war going on last I looked. Some veteran poster (baptismal beauty I think
> her name was) came on and started knocking the newer members posts. She
> seemed a bit of a pain in the ass from what I read. Oh the ruthlessness of
> online message boards!

fuck 'em. unless they are some freak who would potentially fly out to my house and shoot me, i don't care anymore.

i think i vaguely remember reading it. but as with here, i probably only read 1/2 of what is written.

> I don't know if they'll drop him. He still has a bit of a buzz going from
> Poses so I think they'll keep him around for a bit. As for them having
> faith in his material - I think in their big fat heads they think there's
> something there but they're just trying to force it to sell faster.
> "Okay guys we got the buzz on Roofie - now hurry sell him, sell
> him!" When money is involved people get really impatient. The buzz
> was happening before the release of "Across The Universe" I
> think. I really agree that they are freaking out on how to market him.

i suppose there are many albums sitting around on the shelf for well over a year before anyone takes notice.

that supposedly happened with Jewel's first album. I think they finally made a video and it started selling afterwards.

but it did sell...eventually.

> I see your point, begrudgingly though

half of what makes a band successful is the idea around them. yes, there have been many bands who have sung songs about depression before and since, but its the challenge of making it appear that you aren't some boring old person up there thoughtfully plucking it out on your acoustic guitar is another issue.

> He didn't make an appearance. I watched it (not carefully though) and I
> didn't see him. It was a bit hard for me to concentrate on it, I always
> have a hard time getting into new shows.

oh well. don't kill yourself over it. the world presses on.

i heard he was also in the movie 28 Days (the sandra bullock movie) and unless it was showing on TV for free, i'm sure as hell not going to pick it up. nothing against him, but more of being subjected to Sandra.

> I dare you to sing it at Sunday mass.

as i'm not even allowed to sing any solos, i suppose i'll have to rush the alter and knock the monsignor off. he's old. he probably won't put up much of a fight.

> Yes, I know. I'll have to make a note of it, otherwise I'm sure to forget.
> Of course the note is bound to get lost and I'll find it after the fact.
> Murphy's law or something like that.

how did you know about it? are you a fan of Conan's? i didn't know that they released that stuff so far out in advance....

> let me get my magic wand...
> *poof!*
> i'm normal!

I need one of those too for various reasons.

> fuck 'em. unless they are some freak who would potentially fly out to my
> house and shoot me, i don't care anymore.

I don't care either but it's somewhat entertaining on a boring night at home.
She was basically saying that a lot of the newer members were less cultured
and couldn't put two sentences together properly. Everyone took it quite seriously. I felt rather sorry for them.

> i think i vaguely remember reading it. but as with here, i probably only
> read 1/2 of what is written.

I probably read less. Like I said I have a hard time relating to the posts on there. I certainly am not trying to sound snobby about it, I want to relate, but it just isn't happening for me. It's the age thing I guess.

I keep thinking about the Rufus concert I'm going to next month. I'm going with a friend who doesn't know anything about Rufus and I keep having this reoccuring image of a thousand 14 year olds girls trampling us to the ground
and my friend looking at me confused and helpless.

> that supposedly happened with Jewel's first album. I think they finally
> made a video and it started selling afterwards.
> but it did sell...eventually.

Yeah? I didn't know it took that long. Now she's everywhere.

> i heard he was also in the movie 28 Days (the sandra bullock movie) and
> unless it was showing on TV for free, i'm sure as hell not going to pick
> it up. nothing against him, but more of being subjected to Sandra.

I downloaded a song he did for the 28 days soundtrack. It's nice. I really like his song "People in Love" Have you heard it?

> as i'm not even allowed to sing any solos, i suppose i'll have to rush the
> alter and knock the monsignor off. he's old. he probably won't put up much
> of a fight.

It sounds like a good idea. Let me know what happens.

> how did you know about it? are you a fan of Conan's? i didn't know that
> they released that stuff so far out in advance....

I am a fan of Conan's actually but that's not how I found out. I read it on the yahoo message board "Loudon".

> I need one of those too for various reasons.

> I don't care either but it's somewhat entertaining on a boring night at
> home.
> She was basically saying that a lot of the newer members were less
> cultured
> and couldn't put two sentences together properly. Everyone took it quite
> seriously. I felt rather sorry for them.

oh whatever. "i saw him first and so that makes me better than you!"

> I probably read less. Like I said I have a hard time relating to the posts
> on there. I certainly am not trying to sound snobby about it, I want to
> relate, but it just isn't happening for me. It's the age thing I guess.

i find some of them an OK diversion. sort of a "what is your favorite color" sort of thing. highly entertaining if you are achingly bored as i am.

> I keep thinking about the Rufus concert I'm going to next month. I'm going
> with a friend who doesn't know anything about Rufus and I keep having this
> reoccuring image of a thousand 14 year olds girls trampling us to the
> ground
> and my friend looking at me confused and helpless.

and it's so WEIRD because i never suspected he would cultivate an audience in that age group.

> Yeah? I didn't know it took that long. Now she's everywhere.

i thought she had gone away. then, this new album comes out and people seem to be buying it.

> I downloaded a song he did for the 28 days soundtrack. It's nice. I really
> like his song "People in Love" Have you heard it?

nope, i haven't heard most of his stuff. just a couple of albums. i own only one of them.

which, i not only found out his show in town was a different night than i suspected, but it conflicts with that seminar on music theater i was wanting to take.

> It sounds like a good idea. Let me know what happens.

> I am a fan of Conan's actually but that's not how I found out. I read it
> on the yahoo message board "Loudon".

ah. don't keep up with it.

> oh whatever. "i saw him first and so that makes me better than
> you!"

No it was more like "we used to talk about worldy intelligent things like madame butterfly and hawksley workman. We used to have refined intelligent people on here!"

> i find some of them an OK diversion. sort of a "what is your favorite
> color" sort of thing. highly entertaining if you are achingly bored
> as i am.

Hey that's why I go there. I read them, I just don't post. I did sign up the other day though.

> and it's so WEIRD because i never suspected he would cultivate an audience
> in that age group.

I thought the same thing. What with the classical jazzy type thing.
I don't know it surprises me a bit. Maybe it's his looks, I don't know.

> i thought she had gone away. then, this new album comes out and people
> seem to be buying it.

I see her everywhere it seems. I'm not a fan.

> No it was more like "we used to talk about worldy intelligent things
> like madame butterfly and hawksley workman. We used to have refined
> intelligent people on here!"

ah yes, now i remember that thread!

I remember reading it and thinking "whatever!" and quit reading coz its all the same album, different track.

fuck if they would only learn that there is a difference between being interesting because you have opinions and being a pretentious asshole who patterns their life after a singer.

i could be presumptive, but i can't imagine that Rufus Wainwright is sitting at home, reading all of this, and thinking, "wow! i'm so glad that none of my fans wish to think for themselves!"

because, as you probably have noticed, he's left proof that he actually reads that place.

and what sort of conversation is it when you say, "hey, i like Madame Butterfly as well, dear Rufus!" and then your observations be absolutely nothing but horseshit because you don't know what you're talking about?

> Hey that's why I go there. I read them, I just don't post. I did sign up
> the other day though.

baby steps....

> I thought the same thing. What with the classical jazzy type thing.
> I don't know it surprises me a bit. Maybe it's his looks, I don't know.

oh well. it's sign #5955 that i'm getting old. i can't remember what i was listening to at that age. i think that was one of those lulls where i paid no attention to anything in the music realm.

> I see her everywhere it seems. I'm not a fan.

someone's gotta make it.....

pffffttt

> I remember reading it and thinking "whatever!" and quit reading
> coz its all the same album, different track.

Because I'm a glutton for punishment I read quite a few of the posts. Not all of them mind you, I'm not that bad

> fuck if they would only learn that there is a difference between being
> interesting because you have opinions and being a pretentious asshole who
> patterns their life after a singer.

Hard to believe that many of them truly are into opera. Call me a cynic.
They're young though so I don't put much into it when they say those things. I guess it could be worse - like when all those girls started dressing like Madonna. It's when they start ragging on the other posters for not "being as cultured" that it becomes really annoying.

> because, as you probably have noticed, he's left proof that he actually
> reads that place.

Yes, yes aidadinner. That was very cute and a bit surprising. I can almost picture him sitting there with a cigarette, a can of Pepsi and some chips. And where the hell are our cryptic messages from Morrissey anyway? Throw us a bone!

> and what sort of conversation is it when you say, "hey, i like Madame
> Butterfly as well, dear Rufus!" and then your observations be
> absolutely nothing but horseshit because you don't know what you're
> talking about? baby steps....

Baby steps... yep, that's me. I guess I have the feeling I would end up talking to myself.

> oh well. it's sign #5955 that i'm getting old. i can't remember what i was
> listening to at that age. i think that was one of those lulls where i paid
> no attention to anything in the music realm.

I can somewhat remember what I was listening to when I was a teen. I remember buying things like Cyndi Lauper, Reo Speedwagon and Duran Duran. Typical top 40 stuff that was out. They must be smarter than me.

> someone's gotta make it.....
> pffffttt

Just saw Jewel's new video last night (at least I think it's the new one) I was dying watching it. What do these people think when they make these things? She's close to becoming Mariah Carey but, well, not as bad. How can they take themselves so seriously? I just feel like shouting at them "Snap out of it, what's wrong with you!"

> Because I'm a glutton for punishment I read quite a few of the posts. Not
> all of them mind you, I'm not that bad

i read what i have time for.

> Hard to believe that many of them truly are into opera. Call me a cynic.
> They're young though so I don't put much into it when they say those
> things. I guess it could be worse - like when all those girls started
> dressing like Madonna. It's when they start ragging on the other posters
> for not "being as cultured" that it becomes really annoying.

hey, don't knock it until you try it!

at least i genuinely thought madonna was cool. i just imagine these other people falling asleep while trying to listen to opera and then coming around and saying, "i just LOVE puccini!"

> Yes, yes aidadinner. That was very cute and a bit surprising. I can almost
> picture him sitting there with a cigarette, a can of Pepsi and some chips.
> And where the hell are our cryptic messages from Morrissey anyway? Throw
> us a bone!

i found that pic of him with the piece of paper dangling from his mouth reading "aidadinner" very charming.

i think if moz were to do anything, he wouldn't post it directly here. i think it would come out some other way, and in ways that everyone probably wouldn't really be paying attention to.

> Baby steps... yep, that's me. I guess I have the feeling I would end up
> talking to myself.

that's how i feel. oh well. i'm not cultured enough to join the big leagues.

> I can somewhat remember what I was listening to when I was a teen. I
> remember buying things like Cyndi Lauper, Reo Speedwagon and Duran Duran.
> Typical top 40 stuff that was out. They must be smarter than me.

nahhhh.

although i remember listening to Cyndi Lauper when i was about 8!

> Just saw Jewel's new video last night (at least I think it's the new one)
> I was dying watching it. What do these people think when they make these
> things? She's close to becoming Mariah Carey but, well, not as bad. How
> can they take themselves so seriously? I just feel like shouting at them
> "Snap out of it, what's wrong with you!"

i can tolerate her music 100X better than her books of poetry. I read a couple of excerpts one day when i was bored and was just laughing at how silly it was.

> hey, don't knock it until you try it!

Did you have the little hair rags and stuff?

> i found that pic of him with the piece of paper dangling from his mouth
> reading "aidadinner" very charming.

I must have missed that, damnit.

> i think if moz were to do anything, he wouldn't post it directly here. i
> think it would come out some other way, and in ways that everyone probably
> wouldn't really be paying attention to.

Oh yeah of course he wouldn't post here, that would be too strange.
I wish he would though, I'd like to pick his brain - if that's even possible
heh heh.

> although i remember listening to Cyndi Lauper when i was about 8!

I guess I was about 13 or something, not sure, but I did buy the album.
For some reason if I come across one of her videos during one of those 80's rock shows they really depress me. Actually come to think of it all the songs
I equate with my childhood depress me. I always do one of those "on no, turn it off, turn it off!" thing if I come upon one.

Hey I happened to catch the new Rufus video last night on VH1. It's pretty cute. For some reason I was really surprised to see it.

> i can tolerate her music 100X better than her books of poetry. I read a
> couple of excerpts one day when i was bored and was just laughing at how
> silly it was.

Jaysus her poetry is bad isn't it? Some guy actually put out a knock off on the book. He redid all the poems with his own comic slant it was friggin hysterical!

> Did you have the little hair rags and stuff?

no, not really!

all i had was the lace glove. that's as much as you can get away with when you are 11 and living in suburbia.

> I must have missed that, damnit.

> Oh yeah of course he wouldn't post here, that would be too strange.
> I wish he would though, I'd like to pick his brain - if that's even
> possible
> heh heh.

i think he let something slip in his "interview" with ambitious-outsiders. His friend who visits the board says that he doesn't read it and she basically comes here and picks out the nice stuff that he might like.....my question is how does he know anyone is saying anything bad about him here if that is the case????

i'm being too analytical about it, i know. even if i can't think about it too deeply. have you ever overeaten and just end up staring ahead like a zombie? that's me right now.....

> I guess I was about 13 or something, not sure, but I did buy the album.
> For some reason if I come across one of her videos during one of those
> 80's rock shows they really depress me. Actually come to think of it all
> the songs
> I equate with my childhood depress me. I always do one of those "on
> no, turn it off, turn it off!" thing if I come upon one.

i don't mind....until they start doing 90's stuff on the flash back lunch and THEN.....

the early 80's is happy music.

> Hey I happened to catch the new Rufus video last night on VH1. It's pretty
> cute. For some reason I was really surprised to see it.

i suppose i'll never see it unless i download it from the website.

> Jaysus her poetry is bad isn't it? Some guy actually put out a knock off
> on the book. He redid all the poems with his own comic slant it was
> friggin hysterical!

i couldn't even bring myself to read THAT. but if you tune out the lyrics, the songs themselves aren't too horrible. her latest one sounds a little bit like something i had written a while back. and, of course, nobody saw the genius in THAT at the time. now, its selling loads of albums.

> all i had was the lace glove. that's as much as you can get away with when
> you are 11 and living in suburbia.

I completely forgot about the lace glove actually. Did you wear it when you went out?

I remember when Michael Jackson was on his big Thriller rampage
and I bought some weird Motown collection of the Jackson 5 on vinyl and it came with a cheap knock off of the glove he used to wear.

> i think he let something slip in his "interview" with
> ambitious-outsiders. His friend who visits the board says that he doesn't
> read it and she basically comes here and picks out the nice stuff that he
> might like.....my question is how does he know anyone is saying anything
> bad about him here if that is the case????

Well, maybe his friend tells him that crap is said about him too. Maybe she says "well moz there's a lot of flakes on there but I won't bore you with that part..." Then again, maybe everyone just tip-toes around him.

It's hard for me to believe that he never comes on here. Honestly, if I was a singer and had a discussion board about me I would just have to check it every once in awhile to see what my fans said. I'm sure it would get boring quick but still... And if I was home as much as Morrissey probably is, I would probably check it even more. It's not like he's busy making records or anything.

>have you ever overeaten and just end up staring ahead like a
> zombie?

Hell yeah.

> the early 80's is happy music.

That's what my friend thinks but I get a little creeped out when I hear it.
My friend says "it reminds me of my carefree childhood days." Hey I don't want anything to remind me of my childhood, thank you.

> i suppose i'll never see it unless i download it from the website.

You can probably catch it on VH1 from time to time. I watched it on the site first. It downloaded quick but the picture was crappy.

> i couldn't even bring myself to read THAT.

No, no it's hysterical! He even wrote a personal letter to Jewel in it. I read it in the booksore and was laughing my ass off.

>but if you tune out the lyrics,
> the songs themselves aren't too horrible.

I don't think I could get passed the lyrics anyway. She's kinda doing a hushed "baby doll" type thing with her voice lately that I don't like either. Or maybe she always did that?

>her latest one sounds a little bit like something i had written a while back.

Take her to court, take her to court!

> I completely forgot about the lace glove actually. Did you wear it when
> you went out?

um, i was *11*. i didn't have a rocking social life.

> I remember when Michael Jackson was on his big Thriller rampage
> and I bought some weird Motown collection of the Jackson 5 on vinyl and it
> came with a cheap knock off of the glove he used to wear.

really? ha! that's pretty funny!

> Well, maybe his friend tells him that crap is said about him too. Maybe
> she says "well moz there's a lot of flakes on there but I won't bore
> you with that part..." Then again, maybe everyone just tip-toes
> around him.

but she claimed she didn't. so, i admit we are a crummy bunch and i'm probably one of its leaders, but still.....oh well. i still don't think moz should take to heart what a few mentally derranged people have to say. have you met most of his fans who don't hang around his website all day? they're usually normal and have things in perspective. here, about 10 people are probably outspeaking thousands of others. and still, most people don't know much about the logistics of the record industry. they boil the world down into two simpler realms of thought, "is there an album or is there not an album?"

so, what do you think he will play on this tour if it happens?

> It's hard for me to believe that he never comes on here. Honestly, if I
> was a singer and had a discussion board about me I would just have to
> check it every once in awhile to see what my fans said. I'm sure it would
> get boring quick but still... And if I was home as much as Morrissey
> probably is, I would probably check it even more. It's not like he's busy
> making records or anything.

*smile*

but i was amused that i called it correctly that he was no longer naming the album "english heart irish blood"

most celebrities can't really stay away from those sorts of things.

> Hell yeah.

> That's what my friend thinks but I get a little creeped out when I hear
> it.
> My friend says "it reminds me of my carefree childhood days."
> Hey I don't want anything to remind me of my childhood, thank you.

it doesn't remind me of false childhoods ;^)

but its just sorta fun in its own right. and you notice people are latching onto it as opposed to hair metal and that's because hair metal is too much like the music that is played today. record companies are dumb in not trying to cash in on the like of the 80's sound and have new bands who do that stuff, but then again, they probably find it more cost effective to shove the back catalogue in people's faces.

> You can probably catch it on VH1 from time to time. I watched it on the
> site first. It downloaded quick but the picture was crappy.

um, i don't get cable....

and that also tends to be the nature of net downloads: indistinguishable pics and audio that sounds like it was recorded in a drainage pipe.

and it drives me nuts. i was an extra in some movie that is coming out in May and i found the trailer for it on the net as i haven't seen it in the theaters, and i recognize the scenes that were filmed that day, but i don't know if i'm visible in any of those shots!!!

> No, no it's hysterical! He even wrote a personal letter to Jewel in it. I
> read it in the booksore and was laughing my ass off.

and yet, she doesn't STOP.

> I don't think I could get passed the lyrics anyway. She's kinda doing a
> hushed "baby doll" type thing with her voice lately that I don't
> like either. Or maybe she always did that?

i thought she always did it. either way, she has some sapping power that guys seem to like. even this guy i knew in a black metal band was crazy over her. i thought he was joking, of course. this other guy seemed a bit enticed by her singing about putting on her p.j.'s. he thought it was just too cute.

and its a bit more phenomenal i suppose, when you hear most guys dissing a lot of that stuff as "chick music", but then they get to her, and its suddenly like "wait...."

> Take her to court, take her to court!

that would be nice, but i'd have to start suing everyone whose ever vaguely had the same idea i had, or er...have ripped off from me....

>i still don't think moz should take to heart what a few mentally
>derranged people have to say.

I really don't think he does. Surely he can't...

> have you met most of his fans who don't hang around his website all
>day?

I've only met one person who is a Morrissey fan actually. Well, not speaking
of the people I've seen at the shows if that is what you mean. They
always seem decent enough but I've never really talked to them.

> they're usually normal and have things in perspective.

Maybe the "normal" ones tend not to post and lurk instead. Lurking gets boring still I do tend to do it a lot. I go through phases where I post and then I just go dormant. There isn't enough interesting topics on this board. Sure he isn't touring and he doesn't have any new material but even when something of interest happens people don't seem to talk much about it on here anyway.

At least people could talk about music or world events but no instead we get 200 posts on england versus america and it's not even done with a modicom of intelligence. "English people have bad teeth!" - "yeah well at least Americans can spell!" blah blah blah.

Funny how I talk about them as if they can't read this. Actually, no one reads this thread so I can pretty much say what I want anyway. It's like a private conversation out in the open.

> so, what do you think he will play on this tour if it happens?

That's a good question. It's funny because if it was any other artist I would imagine it would be a combination of old material and new/upcoming material that hasn't been released yet. But with Morrissey I just cannot imagine him trying out new material on an audience before an album is released. He just doesn't seem the type. What do you think?

>companies are dumb in not trying to cash in on the like of the 80's
>sound and have new bands who do that stuff, but then again, they
>probably find it more cost effective to shove the back catalogue in
>people's faces.

Some people have told me that The Doves album - Lost Souls - is a combination of 70's and 80's type music. Have you heard it? I heard a couple of songs and wasn't really taken with it. I'm a bit desperate for new music now but can't find anything that really strikes a chord.

> and it drives me nuts. i was an extra in some movie that is coming
>out in May

What movie is it? What was that experience like?

>and i found the trailer for it on the net as i haven't seen it in the
> theaters, and i recognize the scenes that were filmed that day, but i
> don't know if i'm visible in any of those shots!!!

It would be cool if you were. I suppose you won't know until the film comes out though.

> i thought she always did it.

She probably did now that I think about it.

>either way, she has some sapping power that
> guys seem to like. even this guy i knew in a black metal band was
>crazy over her.

Knowing men it's probably the boobs.

> that would be nice, but i'd have to start suing everyone whose ever
> vaguely had the same idea i had, or er...have ripped off from me....

Well, if you're goint to start somewhere it might as well be Jewel!

Oh I joined the Rufus mailing list the other day. It's on yahoo and it's called "Raising The Rufus". Do you know about it? It's not bad. Some of the same posters as on the message board. For some reason I enjoy it a little more though. I was looking back at some of the old posts and there were some interesting/funny topics.

One from back in 1999 was about Rufus referring to some of his fans as "Ewoks" (a star trek reference from what I've gathered- short people in reference to his young female fans) A lot of the young female posters were offended by it.

Then there was the thread someone posted about Rufus being to blatant about his homosexuality, that one caused a stir too. All in all it's pretty interesting. The topics seem a bit better then the message board ones.

> I really don't think he does. Surely he can't...

> I've only met one person who is a Morrissey fan actually. Well, not
> speaking
> of the people I've seen at the shows if that is what you mean. They
> always seem decent enough but I've never really talked to them.

i haven't much either, but i assume most of them are functional.

> Maybe the "normal" ones tend not to post and lurk instead.
> Lurking gets boring still I do tend to do it a lot. I go through phases
> where I post and then I just go dormant. There isn't enough interesting
> topics on this board. Sure he isn't touring and he doesn't have any new
> material but even when something of interest happens people don't seem to
> talk much about it on here anyway.

or it's "what? another compilation? moz, go back into the studio!"

which, yeah, i was bad, but then it becomes apparent that complaining about what comes out is not going to make an album appear any faster. and also, one doesn't necessarily have much to do with the other. so, some record company wants to compile it all and release it again and again. you are thinking, "if magazines can write articles about him, and if record labels feel like there is enough money out there to warrant the re-release of compilations with nearly the same track listing, surely there is a place in this world for a new moz record....?"

but again, i think a lot of the "meanness" he alludes to is probably stemming from impatience and doesn't have much to do with hating him.

> At least people could talk about music or world events but no instead we
> get 200 posts on england versus america and it's not even done with a
> modicom of intelligence. "English people have bad teeth!" -
> "yeah well at least Americans can spell!" blah blah blah.

yeah, that does get tiresome, doesn't it? it boggles my mind that when something of world importance comes up, you have people complaining, "this is a morrissey board! don't fill it with this crap!" and then, there are endless streams of junk that doesn't really mean anything and it's OK.

> Funny how I talk about them as if they can't read this. Actually, no one
> reads this thread so I can pretty much say what I want anyway. It's like a
> private conversation out in the open.

heh...there are a few gawkers...

> That's a good question. It's funny because if it was any other artist I
> would imagine it would be a combination of old material and new/upcoming
> material that hasn't been released yet. But with Morrissey I just cannot
> imagine him trying out new material on an audience before an album is
> released. He just doesn't seem the type. What do you think?

psychic vibes tell me....

i don't know. i think if there were to be a "new" song debuted, my theory is maybe it would be Kit. Boz has somewhat spoiled the surprise of what the song sounds like by singing it on his own and it might not be recorded on a moz album anyway, so, its just an added trinket....added to what, i don't know. i can't imagine him saying, "let's pull out the set list from the last time around" as i think everyone would lead a revolt.
...or even a hint of what the theme would be. last time it was West ham.

> Some people have told me that The Doves album - Lost Souls - is a
> combination of 70's and 80's type music. Have you heard it? I heard a
> couple of songs and wasn't really taken with it. I'm a bit desperate for
> new music now but can't find anything that really strikes a chord.

i haven't heard it. or, i think i have and it just sounded like your typical indie stuff. i can't remember now.

> What movie is it? What was that experience like?

it's called The New Guy, and its a teen comedy thing of some dork getting thrown in jail, and then emerging with a badass attitude at a brand new school.

at least that's what i've been able to tell from the trailer.

but i was in some crowd shots at the big football game scene. i only got to do it for one day, but from what i can tell you about it, it's definitely different. you're running down the side of a hill one moment, then the next, they put you up in the stands and let you react to imaginary people running down the side of the hill, so its schizophrenic. "i was up there, but now i'm not, and now, i'm supposed to pretend like i'm the enemy" it's also a long process, and you have to get up early, so you are zonked at the end of the day.

it wasn't too bad. i think i felt a lot more comfortable doing that sort of thing vs. my other stabs at entertainment jobs. the problem is knowing where to go from there and the scheduling.

> It would be cool if you were. I suppose you won't know until the film
> comes out though.

and it's been a long wait. a year and a half!

> She probably did now that I think about it.

> Knowing men it's probably the boobs.

no, Britney spears is for that. I think what they like in Jewel is that she just comes off as a doe-eyed innocent. sorta more like "she's so cute when she's deep!" or they like her singing or something. if she started stripping in her videos or coming out with acoustic guitar wearing a sequin-y little bikini outfit, i think there would be a revolt.

> Well, if you're goint to start somewhere it might as well be Jewel!

> Oh I joined the Rufus mailing list the other day. It's on yahoo and it's
> called "Raising The Rufus". Do you know about it? It's not bad.
> Some of the same posters as on the message board. For some reason I enjoy
> it a little more though. I was looking back at some of the old posts and
> there were some interesting/funny topics.

i don't know about it. if its the same people, i assume its just more of them. and besides, i don't like having things cluttering my in-box. i just would like to show up and read when i have time.

> One from back in 1999 was about Rufus referring to some of his fans as
> "Ewoks" (a star trek reference from what I've gathered- short
> people in reference to his young female fans) A lot of the young female
> posters were offended by it.

Star Wars!!!!!

depends on how he means that. if he found the ewoks endearing little furry creatures or annoyances that destroyed an otherwise good sci fi film.

either way, um, he's not going to exactly see his female fan contigency in a sexual manner, is he? is he going to walk in like some suave Bing Crosby-type and be all "well, hello, ladies....this one is for you" in some deep smoldering voice?

that's probably what is making them mad. they think he's hot, but the Ewoks bit probably drives home that he will never reciprocate.

and you think "well, he says he's gay, surely they know" but if you have a crush on someone, it's just words! its merely an inconvenience you air brush over. like if he was in a serious relationship and they can still imagine he might have them as long as this other person is not mentioned. it isn't until he says something that qualifies what he thinks of them that it drives the point home.

> Then there was the thread someone posted about Rufus being to blatant
> about his homosexuality, that one caused a stir too. All in all it's
> pretty interesting. The topics seem a bit better then the message board
> ones.

there was a thread like that on the messageboard. oh well. another subject that is sorta beaten into the ground.

> i haven't much either, but i assume most of them are functional.

I think so too. They can't possibly be like the people
who actually post on here, that would be a bit too strange.

> which, yeah, i was bad, but then it becomes apparent that complaining
> about what comes out is not going to make an album appear any faster.

It's a shame too isn't it? We're powerless! Of course I don't think Morrissey
owes us another album,it would just be nice if it occurred.

> also, one doesn't necessarily have much to do with the other. so, some
> record company wants to compile it all and release it again and again. you
> are thinking, "if magazines can write articles about him, and if
> record labels feel like there is enough money out there to warrant the
> re-release of compilations with nearly the same track listing, surely
> there is a place in this world for a new moz record....?"

There is of course, the rest is up to Morrissey. I just don't understand what he is holding out for for. Maybe I'm just lost on the subject I don't know.

> but again, i think a lot of the "meanness" he alludes to is
> probably stemming from impatience and doesn't have much to do with hating
> him.

I think impatience is only natural. We're his fans, we enjoy his music. Would he rather we not care and just disappear? Of course I don't think the meanness is necessary. Still, I don't think most of the people on here are being nasty to him. Maybe I've missed something. Have I?

> i don't know. i think if there were to be a "new" song debuted,
> my theory is maybe it would be Kit. Boz has somewhat spoiled the surprise
> of what the song sounds like by singing it on his own and it might not be
> recorded on a moz album anyway, so, its just an added trinket....added to
> what, i don't know. i can't imagine him saying, "let's pull out the
> set list from the last time around" as i think everyone would lead a
> revolt.

Oh hell yeah. That would be really strange. I don't think he would even try to get away with that.

> but i was in some crowd shots at the big football game scene. i only got
> to do it for one day, but from what i can tell you about it, it's
> definitely different. you're running down the side of a hill one moment,
> then the next, they put you up in the stands and let you react to
> imaginary people running down the side of the hill, so its schizophrenic.
> "i was up there, but now i'm not, and now, i'm supposed to pretend
> like i'm the enemy" it's also a long process, and you have to get up
> early, so you are zonked at the end of the day.

How do you get picked for this? Do they just take the first 200 people who show up or something? I think it would have been funny to act like a prima donna and demand a dresser room and personal makeup artist.

> no, Britney spears is for that.

Oh yeah that's right,I always forget about her. I still can't figure out what the fuss is.

>I think what they like in Jewel is that she just comes off as a doe-eyed >innocent.

She does that pretty well yeah. And while I'm not crazy about her, I'll still
take her over Britney any day.

> i don't know about it. if its the same people, i assume its just more of
> them. and besides, i don't like having things cluttering my in-box. i just
> would like to show up and read when i have time.

Actually you can just select the option of no mail and just read the posts online. I subscribed to the digest though because I like having it fall in my lap every day with no effort.

> depends on how he means that. if he found the ewoks endearing little furry
> creatures or annoyances that destroyed an otherwise good sci fi film.

I tend to think he meant "enduring little people" but one girl got really pissed about it and took it as him putting down his young female fans. Making fun of them in a way.

A couple people also expressed their shock at the type of fan base he has attracted because supposedly when he was just starting out he attracted an older set - mid 20's early 30's coffee shop type crowd. I can see that.

> that's probably what is making them mad. they think he's hot, but the
> Ewoks bit probably drives home that he will never reciprocate.

You have a point because this same girl went on to ask if people thought he treated his male fans better than his female ones to which most everyone responded no who had met him. And I really cannot imagine Rufus behaving like that.

On the other hand Mark Kozelek of The Red House Painters is known for treating his female fans much better than his male ones. Of course he's hetrosexual, annoyingly so I might add. I think Mark is always looking to get laid and his male fans tend to be in the way.

Anyway, back to Rufus - She also said she was dead embarrased at how openly Rufus talked about his sex life at his shows. Supposedly he is is pretty blunt and talks rather frankly about it. According to her at least. I'm seeing him this Sunday the 10th I can't wait to hear what he has to say heheh.

I'm guessing it's nothing like she is saying it maybe just shocked her because he was talking about sex with another guy. People always seem to feel differently when a gay person talks about sex then when a straight person does.

When a gay guy does it people always seem to act like "do we really need to hear this, um this is uncomfortable" Whereas if a straight guy does it seems perfectly normal and everyone laughs about it. It's a double standard.

She also said she thought he was flaunting his homosexuality. Being gay must really suck. You're always a bit of an oddity to people. I don't know if people can ever truly understand it unless they're gay.

> and you think "well, he says he's gay, surely they know" but if
> you have a crush on someone, it's just words! its merely an inconvenience
> you air brush over. like if he was in a serious relationship and they can
> still imagine he might have them as long as this other person is not
> mentioned. it isn't until he says something that qualifies what he thinks
> of them that it drives the point home.

Okay wait for some reason this is reminding me of the other thread I just read on there. Do you like Rufus because he is not a threat. Hmmm.....After I read it all I could think was - WHAT?

> I think so too. They can't possibly be like the people
> who actually post on here, that would be a bit too strange.

> It's a shame too isn't it? We're powerless! Of course I don't think
> Morrissey
> owes us another album,it would just be nice if it occurred.

the thing is, at this point, i suppose it doesn't matter. but i suppose i believe in calling it what it is. if he wants to record the album, then he should do all he can to get out there and promote himself and not just let himself get meekly swallowed up. this halfway stuff just doesn't cut it coz you end up standing in one place. if he doesn't want to record the album, then that's OK, too. nobody said he had to keep marching into the studio until he was 95.

although, it was interesting seeing U2 as the premiere superbowl halftime entertainment....and they didn't even have to share the stage with Aerosmith and n'sync! which, they've been around longer than he has...even if, well, i think part of their resurgence here in the US has had to do a bit with their involvement with the 9-11 activities. not that i think that they are there cashing in or anything of that matter, but i think the audiences in general are touched by their sincerity and they love them back for it.

> There is of course, the rest is up to Morrissey. I just don't understand
> what he is holding out for for. Maybe I'm just lost on the subject I don't
> know.

hell, i don't know. and i'm thinking at this point that since we don't know...

> I think impatience is only natural. We're his fans, we enjoy his music.
> Would he rather we not care and just disappear? Of course I don't think
> the meanness is necessary. Still, I don't think most of the people on here
> are being nasty to him. Maybe I've missed something. Have I?

Most people aren't. But i think its also typical Morrissey to ignore all the nice wonderful comments people laud on him and dwell on the few bad apples.

> Oh hell yeah. That would be really strange. I don't think he would even
> try to get away with that.

> How do you get picked for this? Do they just take the first 200 people who
> show up or something? I think it would have been funny to act like a prima
> donna and demand a dresser room and personal makeup artist.

nahhh. they needed loads of people to show up and pretend they are watching a football game, so they had a large ad in the paper promising pizza, prizes, t-shirts, and the Texas bikini team. Which, i didn't know there was such a thing, but that was the low point...having to stare at a bunch of bleach-blondes running around as the emcees as there was no equivalent thing for the women to stare at.

i can't help but think of what Janeane Garofalo was going on about last night about how women are brainwashed into seeing themselves through the eyes of men.

they do have a casting agency here in town that handles extras for films. i was called one other time and couldnt' make it. but that was when i was there to answer the phone. they probably call and if they get the answering machine, they just hang up. otherwise, i can't imagine them only calling me once in the last 2 years that i've been registered in their office.

> Oh yeah that's right,I always forget about her. I still can't figure out
> what the fuss is.

i think she looks like Debbie Gibson in the face.

But i think part of it is that she has the "image" that consumer culture wants. so, they put her in a bunch of Pepsi commercials and that fuels more of the "we can't get away from her!" buzz.

> She does that pretty well yeah. And while I'm not crazy about her, I'll
> still
> take her over Britney any day.

> Actually you can just select the option of no mail and just read the posts
> online. I subscribed to the digest though because I like having it fall in
> my lap every day with no effort.

> I tend to think he meant "enduring little people" but one girl
> got really pissed about it and took it as him putting down his young
> female fans. Making fun of them in a way.

> A couple people also expressed their shock at the type of fan base he has
> attracted because supposedly when he was just starting out he attracted an
> older set - mid 20's early 30's coffee shop type crowd. I can see that.

that's actually what i thought the crowd would more resemble. maybe not exactly coffeehouse crowd as they seem to like old farts who play the blues. well, at least here in austin, so i don't know what its like in Greenwich Village. I was envisioning 20-somethings at least, starting with college crowds.

> You have a point because this same girl went on to ask if people thought
> he treated his male fans better than his female ones to which most
> everyone responded no who had met him. And I really cannot imagine Rufus
> behaving like that.

yeah, it sounds like embitterment.

> On the other hand Mark Kozelek of The Red House Painters is known for
> treating his female fans much better than his male ones. Of course he's
> hetrosexual, annoyingly so I might add. I think Mark is always looking to
> get laid and his male fans tend to be in the way.

ah, one of those. their music sucks anyway.

maybe i should give up on people trying to be normal for dating relationships. or maybe i should give up on the idea that i could ever be normal in them. or something.

> Anyway, back to Rufus - She also said she was dead embarrased at how
> openly Rufus talked about his sex life at his shows. Supposedly he is is
> pretty blunt and talks rather frankly about it. According to her at least.
> I'm seeing him this Sunday the 10th I can't wait to hear what he has to
> say heheh.

> I'm guessing it's nothing like she is saying it maybe just shocked her
> because he was talking about sex with another guy. People always seem to
> feel differently when a gay person talks about sex then when a straight
> person does.

> When a gay guy does it people always seem to act like "do we really
> need to hear this, um this is uncomfortable" Whereas if a straight
> guy does it seems perfectly normal and everyone laughs about it. It's a
> double standard.

of course! and just like had they given us the male speedo team, the guys would have been all "this is so GAY!" because they dont have any concept of women thinking like that and that all sexual imagery is aimed at men.

like moz putting pics of naked dudes on his covers. it could either be to his liking or what, but you don't hear anyone saying, "good for him for giving women something they want to see!" and when he rips his shirt off on stage and all that, they talk about his male audience. they fail to realize there are many women out there who enjoy seeing it. but that gets ignored. i know plenty of girls who i mentioned moz to and they were all "hey, he's cute!" but its like us women are basically an invisible audience to the media and mainstream. we buy tickets. we buy albums. we like finding good pics of him in magazines without a shirt on, but instead, everyone still runs around and thinks we're not interested.

> She also said she thought he was flaunting his homosexuality. Being gay
> must really suck. You're always a bit of an oddity to people. I don't know
> if people can ever truly understand it unless they're gay.

yes, its definitely a culture, fostered in hopes that they can stick together against a world that hates them.

> Okay wait for some reason this is reminding me of the other thread I just
> read on there. Do you like Rufus because he is not a threat.
> Hmmm.....After I read it all I could think was - WHAT?

no, this is different than him not posing a threat. if you think about it, gay or straight, most celebrities you lust after don't really pose a threat. she could be in love with Kid Rock if he were single and the results would still be the same. she aint' getting any. however, the idea of what celebrities do is fuel the IDEA that they might find you attractive and might date you if they didn't fly in their private jets all day and date only other rich celebrities. its an expected let-down. they strut around all day in sexy outfits and look good for your visual pleasure, and they may give those tiny hints of "i'm single!" so the girls (or guys) playing along at home go "ooohh!!!! i'm waiting for you Roofie baby!" but the reality check within them knows that if they are lucky, they might get to accidentally bump into him shopping for groceries and get an autograph signed. it's all role playing. he pretends like he is lonely and might give them the time of day, and they are happy.

and indeed, part of the game involves not calling people Ewoks. suddenly, *boom* reality hits. he's not the guy they can pose to their own liking. and it is strange when you think about it coz even though she probably will never get to know him on a personal level in her lifetime, the mere fact that he mentions his homosexuality is spoiling the relationship that never was.

> the thing is, at this point, i suppose it doesn't matter. but i suppose i
> believe in calling it what it is. if he wants to record the album, then he
> should do all he can to get out there and promote himself and not just let
> himself get meekly swallowed up.

I'm with you on this. I say we take a trip to LA, find his house, pray for an open gate and tell him. I'll bring the disposable camera.

>this halfway stuff just doesn't cut it
> coz you end up standing in one place. if he doesn't want to record the
> album, then that's OK, too. nobody said he had to keep marching into the
> studio until he was 95.

Why can't he get a record deal? Is he being that picky? Is he holding out for something he's not being offered? I just don't understand. More questions for Operation Morrissey 2.

> Most people aren't. But i think its also typical Morrissey to ignore all
> the nice wonderful comments people laud on him and dwell on the few bad
> apples.

It is isn't it? Come on his fans love him, it's obvious. The fact that we stick around when he's not even doing anything says something.

> nahhh. they needed loads of people to show up and pretend they are
> watching a football game, so they had a large ad in the paper promising
> pizza, prizes, t-shirts, and the Texas bikini team. Which, i didn't know
> there was such a thing, but that was the low point...having to stare at a
> bunch of bleach-blondes running around as the emcees as there was no
> equivalent thing for the women to stare at.

Obviously the Texas bikini thing was to bring in the guys. What part was for the women - the pizza and prizes? Women always get cheated.

> i can't help but think of what Janeane Garofalo was going on about last
> night about how women are brainwashed into seeing themselves through the
> eyes of men.

That is so damn true. How depressing.

> But i think part of it is that she has the "image" that consumer
> culture wants. so, they put her in a bunch of Pepsi commercials and that
> fuels more of the "we can't get away from her!" buzz.

She hasn't been around that long but she's really wearing on me. And all those
effects on her voice, it's horrible.

> that's actually what i thought the crowd would more resemble. maybe not
> exactly coffeehouse crowd as they seem to like old farts who play the
> blues. well, at least here in austin, so i don't know what its like in
> Greenwich Village.

It's different in NY. Coffehouses are very popular with the young 20's & 30's crowd. Here old farts hang out on the benches in the mall.

> ah, one of those. their music sucks anyway.

Oh I love The Red House Painters! - um despite Mark Kozelek...

Their Rollercoaster album is one of my favorite albums of all time. I know a lot of people think they're boring snooze music but if you give them a chance they can really get under your skin. I remember the first time I heard them I thought this is so boring it all sounds the same then one day it just clicked.

Same thing with Rufus's first album. I picked it up after having Poses and just couldn't get into it. It seemed so blah. I'm finally starting to get into it although Danny Boy, Damned Ladies and Sally Ann all still escape me. Matinee Idol is a little weird too. I can't get into that one, at least yet.

> maybe i should give up on people trying to be normal for dating
> relationships. or maybe i should give up on the idea that i could ever be
> normal in them. or something.

Your best bet is to find someone on the same wavelength as you. Yes I know, easier said than done. I actually thought I found that only to have him pull a "sorry, tricked you" stunt and then proceed to stomp on my heart.

> no, this is different than him not posing a threat. if you think about it,
> gay or straight, most celebrities you lust after don't really pose a
> threat.

Oh of course - hey wait you don't have to convince me! I live in reality - really. hehe. But seriously Rufus is definitely ruining some young girls fantasies out there with his comments and his openness about his homosexuality. I don't think that happens for his older female fans though. I know he needs to work a little harder for me - my imagination is very cunning - heh heh.

> I'm with you on this. I say we take a trip to LA, find his house, pray for
> an open gate and tell him. I'll bring the disposable camera.

wait, that's too obvious! let's tap his phone lines. that way, we can get the real story. we're bound to get a juicy conversation of him discussing things with boz or alain.

> Why can't he get a record deal? Is he being that picky? Is he holding out
> for something he's not being offered? I just don't understand. More
> questions for Operation Morrissey 2.

maybe he just wants to take a break. or maybe they aren't giving him what he wants. i can't imagine there is absolutely no record company out there that will deal with him. they even keep trodding out new Lou Reed records and there hasn't been a pulse on that corpse for about 20 years.

> It is isn't it? Come on his fans love him, it's obvious. The fact that we
> stick around when he's not even doing anything says something.

yeah, really.

i mean, if he thinks we stick around just to have someone to bash on, he's got another thing coming.

here are other artists that i could come up with 100X better reasons for bashing:

Creed
Britney spears
blink 182
the cast and writers of Ally McBeal
Bill O'reilly
Saturday Night Live
Bill Gates

> Obviously the Texas bikini thing was to bring in the guys. What part was
> for the women - the pizza and prizes? Women always get cheated.

exactly.

> That is so damn true. How depressing.

> She hasn't been around that long but she's really wearing on me. And all
> those
> effects on her voice, it's horrible.

because there isn't a voice to work with!!!!

oh well. she's joined the rank of talentless celebrities like pamela anderson that just stand around, look like plastic, and don't really do much of anything.

> It's different in NY. Coffehouses are very popular with the young 20's
> & 30's crowd. Here old farts hang out on the benches in the mall.

not that old!

> Oh I love The Red House Painters! - um despite Mark Kozelek...

> Their Rollercoaster album is one of my favorite albums of all time. I know
> a lot of people think they're boring snooze music but if you give them a
> chance they can really get under your skin. I remember the first time I
> heard them I thought this is so boring it all sounds the same then one day
> it just clicked.

yes, indeed they are boring snooze music.

i've heard music like that before. i just tune it out after a while because its too dull.

> Same thing with Rufus's first album. I picked it up after having Poses and
> just couldn't get into it. It seemed so blah. I'm finally starting to get
> into it although Danny Boy, Damned Ladies and Sally Ann all still escape
> me. Matinee Idol is a little weird too. I can't get into that one, at
> least yet.

his first album is merely OK. sounds like he had been listening to too much Billy Joel.

> Your best bet is to find someone on the same wavelength as you. Yes I
> know, easier said than done. I actually thought I found that only to have
> him pull a "sorry, tricked you" stunt and then proceed to stomp
> on my heart.

yes, that's easier said than done. like neurosies repel.

> Oh of course - hey wait you don't have to convince me! I live in reality -
> really. hehe. But seriously Rufus is definitely ruining some young girls
> fantasies out there with his comments and his openness about his
> homosexuality. I don't think that happens for his older female fans
> though. I know he needs to work a little harder for me - my imagination is
> very cunning - heh heh.

oh no. that's something you don't outgrow. i notice that most people in dire like of someone tend to gloss over things. they may have heard the reality. they may can voice it, but it doesn't mean that's its overpowering that other part of your brain. you always find some reason despite the obvious reality as to why it can work.

and its not necessarily stalkerism. those moments of clarity do pop through on rare occasions, "what the hell am i doing with my life?" but it usually doesn't win.

> wait, that's too obvious! let's tap his phone lines. that way, we can get
> the real story. we're bound to get a juicy conversation of him discussing
> things with boz or alain.

Yes, yes that's it! Plus maybe we'll find out something really swarmy about him I say we use it as blackmail for a new album and tour.

> maybe he just wants to take a break.

If that is the case, he should just say it.

On the Moz topic - I found that whole meeting Morrissey thing on the Ambitious Outsiders site so odd. It just seemed too easy.

"Well, I think today is the day I'm going to meet Morrissey. Ok I got my disposable camera, oh look the gate is open, oh look there's Morrissey" This guy must have a horseshoe up his ass.

For some reason I found the photos of Morrissey in his car really funny.

>or maybe they aren't giving him what he wants.

I kind of think that may be it. What else could it possibly be? Wait, maybe he wants some really strange demands written into his contract - hehe.

> i can't imagine there is absolutely no record company out there
> that will deal with him. they even keep trodding out new Lou Reed records
> and there hasn't been a pulse on that corpse for about 20 years.

Maybe he's not as picky as Morrissey though. I certainly don't believe that Moz cannot get a record deal. To me it seems more reasonable to believe that he can't get the one he wants, the way he wants it.

> here are other artists that i could come up with 100X better reasons for
> bashing:
> Creed
> Britney spears
> blink 182
> the cast and writers of Ally McBeal

Funny you should bring that one up. That shows drives me crazy. Do we really need a show that depicts pitifully desperate women looking for a guy to "fulfill their lives and make them whole".

I always imagine a bunch of women sitting around watching it with tissues "oh I can relate, I can relate, where is my special guy!" It makes me a little bit sick and it makes women look foolish. The whole show completely revolves around that one topic.

> Bill Gates

Don't get me started on him.

> because there isn't a voice to work with!!!!

Exactly, but must it be made so obvious?

> oh well. she's joined the rank of talentless celebrities like pamela
> anderson that just stand around, look like plastic, and don't really do
> much of anything.

Did you ever see that Pamela Anderson show - what's it called? The one where she and a couple of other women go out and kick box everyone? VIP? I'm not sure. Anyway, I caught it once and it was the most painful thing I've ever seen. I wanted to laugh but I couldn't stop cringing.

> his first album is merely OK. sounds like he had been listening to too
> much Billy Joel.

And there's always those fans who say how wonderful it is and how Poses was a disappointment compared. I hear the Billy Joel thing too. Sometimes Rufus's voice reminds me of Jackson Browne little. Still I do like Foolish Love, Imaginary Love and Beauty Mark.

>yes, that's easier said than done. like neurosies repel.

When it comes to dating/relationships everything is easier said then done.

> oh no. that's something you don't outgrow. i notice that most people in
> dire like of someone tend to gloss over things. they may have heard the
> reality. they may can voice it, but it doesn't mean that's its
> overpowering that other part of your brain. you always find some reason
> despite the obvious reality as to why it can work.

Hey everyone needs fantasies anyway. Most of the time life is just not as exciting as it should be. I need more excitement in my life. The highlight of my day today was a piece of chocolate cake.

> Yes, yes that's it! Plus maybe we'll find out something really swarmy
> about him I say we use it as blackmail for a new album and tour.

oh yes. there are some things that will make your toes curl!

"morrissey: the other side: an expose"

"Boz, you burned those master reels, havent you?"
"yes"
"good. i don't want anyone finding out i had written a song called 'oh baby we got that forever kinda love"
"um, no"
"are you sure you did it?"
"yes, i don't want to admit i wrote music for a song called 'oh baby, we got that forever kinda love"
"good"
"yes"
"because i don't"

> If that is the case, he should just say it.

he can't do that! he has to maintain interest!

this tour thingie is probably designed to maintain everyone's interest until at least march when everyone notices that this tour seems to have no dates or tickets to be bought.

> On the Moz topic - I found that whole meeting Morrissey thing on the
> Ambitious Outsiders site so odd. It just seemed too easy.

> "Well, I think today is the day I'm going to meet Morrissey. Ok I got
> my disposable camera, oh look the gate is open, oh look there's
> Morrissey" This guy must have a horseshoe up his ass.

yeah, i found that a bit odd. but then again, there are people like that in this world. my sister's fiance's brother is apparently like that. I should take him along and i'd probably get a sit down dinner with moz.

or, he might get the dinner and i might be at the local mcdonald's.

> For some reason I found the photos of Morrissey in his car really funny.

were there some? i missed that.

> I kind of think that may be it. What else could it possibly be? Wait,
> maybe he wants some really strange demands written into his contract -
> hehe.

"i want a section of the tour bus made into a cage for my love slave. oh, and i also want to invite the cast of Stargate as my entourage. we also want special rider privaleges such as discounts for Six Flags."

> Maybe he's not as picky as Morrissey though. I certainly don't believe
> that Moz cannot get a record deal. To me it seems more reasonable to
> believe that he can't get the one he wants, the way he wants it.

and there you are! the happy medium that someone is going to have to do a little give or take on!

> Funny you should bring that one up. That shows drives me crazy. Do we
> really need a show that depicts pitifully desperate women looking for a
> guy to "fulfill their lives and make them whole".

oh wait, that sounds like....ME!

"morrissey...where are you????"

just kidding.

> I always imagine a bunch of women sitting around watching it with tissues
> "oh I can relate, I can relate, where is my special guy!" It
> makes me a little bit sick and it makes women look foolish. The whole show
> completely revolves around that one topic.

their special guy is off with another special woman. looks like they'll just have to settle for the trailer trash in the wife-beater tee once again.

> Don't get me started on him.

> Exactly, but must it be made so obvious?

oh yeah. this is america! you don't need talent to get anywhere!

> Did you ever see that Pamela Anderson show - what's it called? The one
> where she and a couple of other women go out and kick box everyone? VIP?
> I'm not sure. Anyway, I caught it once and it was the most painful thing
> I've ever seen. I wanted to laugh but I couldn't stop cringing.

yup that's the one. we show it on our TV station where i work. i suppose it gets ratings of some sort, but it's all from guys going, "yeah, the show sucks, but that's not why i watch it...."

> And there's always those fans who say how wonderful it is and how Poses
> was a disappointment compared. I hear the Billy Joel thing too. Sometimes
> Rufus's voice reminds me of Jackson Browne little. Still I do like Foolish
> Love, Imaginary Love and Beauty Mark.

oh thhbbbttt on them. "my first album!"

but Poses is the first album he had with a decent producer! makes a universe of difference.

> When it comes to dating/relationships everything is easier said then done.

that's why i'm going to devote my life to writing trashy romance novels.

yes, it was decided this afternoon. i was sitting at work, bored, writing, and i'm like "hey....." and its only a few paragraphs but i suddenly looked at it and said, "this would be a good part of a..." and you don't need much love experience to write one since they aren't set in reality anyway. but the reality bits were just that right shade of rouge of anguish that makes the story compelling.

> Hey everyone needs fantasies anyway. Most of the time life is just not as
> exciting as it should be. I need more excitement in my life. The highlight
> of my day today was a piece of chocolate cake.

hmmm..i've had days like those. i;ve had days where all i did was lay around so i didn't even have the chocolate cake. matter of fact, i've anguished over cake. i was reading this recipe book i got for christmas with one recipe with frosting that uses a pound and a half of chocolate and a stick of butter. i was so yearning to try it just to see what such a monster would taste like, but i have to have someone to pawn it off on after the fact. you can't keep a cake with about 100,000 calories sitting around your house and left at your mercy.

the highlight of my day was running around in my acting class like a dork. that was fun in a weird way.

I don't come here for a day and now there's an overwhelming amount of new (and strange) messages on here. What's going on with that Chris guy from Ambitious Outsiders? He really shut down his site? Why is everyone so fragile lately? Geez.

> "morrissey: the other side: an expose"
> "Boz, you burned those master reels, havent you?"
> "yes"
> "good. i don't want anyone finding out i had written a song called
> 'oh baby we got that forever kinda love"
> "um, no"
> "are you sure you did it?"
> "yes, i don't want to admit i wrote music for a song called 'oh baby,
> we got that forever kinda love"
> "good"
> "yes"
> "because i don't"

LOL! Thanks for the laugh, I needed it, it's been a crappy day.

> he can't do that! he has to maintain interest!

He is so damn manipulative!

> this tour thingie is probably designed to maintain everyone's interest
> until at least march when everyone notices that this tour seems to have no
> dates or tickets to be bought.

He's doing it again isn't he?

Okay Mr. Morrissey if you are reading this we want you to know we are on to you. First it was the whole trying to make us feel guilty thing, now it's the pretend tour thing! Stop playing with us, we are the innocent victims here.

And what really is the chance of an April tour happening? Who is he kidding? What is it, two months away? No way.

> yeah, i found that a bit odd. but then again, there are people like >that in this world. my sister's fiance's brother is apparently like that. I
> should take him along and i'd probably get a sit down dinner with moz.

Well, what are you waiting for? Ask him if he wants to come with us for for operation Morrissey 2.

> were there some? i missed that.

Yes, I was going to tell you to go back and look but it appears you can't now. The photos of him in his car were pretty funny.

From what was written, when Morrissey got into his car to leave, they asked him if they could get some photos of him in the car. There was 3 or 4 of them. They said that he got caught at the first red light and that they caught him looking back and smirking at the fact that they were still shooting pics.

I can just imagine Moz with a little grin on his face, running his fingers through his hair with that "oh I still got it" look on his face.

> oh wait, that sounds like....ME!
> "morrissey...where are you????"
> just kidding.

No, come on, there's a little truth in that

> oh yeah. this is america! you don't need talent to get anywhere!

And MTV suddenly becomes very clear....

> that's why i'm going to devote my life to writing trashy romance novels.

Maybe you'll get to meet that geeky Fabio guy - heh heh. I used to know a woman who had an entire collection of those Harlequin Romance paperbacks. But isn't it like, you've read one, you've read them all? The names and places are different but everything else is pretty much the same.

That's where you could come in and mix it up. Add some crazy stuff to keep them on their toes.

> hmmm..i've had days like those. i;ve had days where all i did was lay
> around so i didn't even have the chocolate cake.

The worst part is I didn't just lay around, I did things! And the chocolate cake was still the highlight. See what I mean?

> anguished over cake. i was reading this recipe book i got for christmas
> with one recipe with frosting that uses a pound and a half of chocolate
> and a stick of butter. i was so yearning to try it just to see what such a
> monster would taste like, but i have to have someone to pawn it off on
> after the fact. you can't keep a cake with about 100,000 calories sitting
> around your house and left at your mercy.

Pawn it off on me. I don't even think about calories anymore. I'm thin yeah but my insides are probably all clogged up. I went through a stage where I had to eat healthy. Bought low fat/fat free products and all that crap. Have you ever tasted fat free salad dressing? It will put you off of those products for life. I did this for about 2 years then one day I just stopped. Just like that. It's been butter, potato chips and pizza since then.

> the highlight of my day was running around in my acting class like a dork.
> that was fun in a weird way.

I'm talking about chocolate cake and you're talking about acting classes. You've made me feel like a complete slug! Argh!!

> I don't come here for a day and now there's an overwhelming amount of new
> (and strange) messages on here. What's going on with that Chris guy from
> Ambitious Outsiders? He really shut down his site? Why is everyone so
> fragile lately? Geez.

no, he didn't shut it down.

if you get to the end of that long diatribe, there is a link that takes you on to the normal stuff.

i'm not involving myself with it. frankly, i think he's going "woe is me!" to get attention.

"morrissey! i'm but a minor pawn, but i identify with your pain and suffering, as I have suffered on your behalf...."

either that, or he's one of the wimpiest people on the internet.

> LOL! Thanks for the laugh, I needed it, it's been a crappy day.

ha! mine too!

> He is so damn manipulative!

> He's doing it again isn't he?

i dunno. i asked someone who should know and they just sorta gave an answer of "possible".

> Okay Mr. Morrissey if you are reading this we want you to know we are on
> to you. First it was the whole trying to make us feel guilty thing, now
> it's the pretend tour thing! Stop playing with us, we are the innocent
> victims here.

yes, and i'm the most innocent of all morrissey! take the rest of the morons down with the ship! i'll sell them all out! including drunken demands!

oh wait, did i say that? :^)

> And what really is the chance of an April tour happening? Who is he
> kidding? What is it, two months away? No way.

don't know if they need to practice that much, even though it has been 2 years, but of course, the big question is booking the venue. and most acts of his stature start announcing dates about 2 months before they play them.

unless, he's playing open mics, then he could walk up 30 minutes before the start of the show and sign a list.

> Well, what are you waiting for? Ask him if he wants to come with us for
> for operation Morrissey 2.

i can't. he's somewhere on a ship in the middle or far east. top secret. shhhhhhhh...

> Yes, I was going to tell you to go back and look but it appears you can't
> now. The photos of him in his car were pretty funny.

i tried downloading them, but i couldn't bear it! i had to leave. i felt wrong for even looking at it!

> From what was written, when Morrissey got into his car to leave, they
> asked him if they could get some photos of him in the car. There was 3 or
> 4 of them. They said that he got caught at the first red light and that
> they caught him looking back and smirking at the fact that they were still
> shooting pics.

> I can just imagine Moz with a little grin on his face, running his fingers
> through his hair with that "oh I still got it" look on his face.

either that or "oh god, won't they get a life?"

i always assume the worst.

or "ha! my evil plan has worked!"

whatever that plan may be.

> No, come on, there's a little truth in that

truth that is stranger than fiction!

> And MTV suddenly becomes very clear....

it wasn't before?

it's all about having a 'tude.

at least Pauly shore has finally and completely disappeared.

> Maybe you'll get to meet that geeky Fabio guy - heh heh. I used to know a
> woman who had an entire collection of those Harlequin Romance paperbacks.
> But isn't it like, you've read one, you've read them all? The names and
> places are different but everything else is pretty much the same.

oh god. i think he's ugly! i shudder at such a beheamoth. he's too greasey and veiny looking.

i've never actually read any of those novels, believe it or not. i read an in-between by an author who is well known, but i can't remember he name off of the top of my head. Danielle Steel? someone like that. i sorta liked it. it had plot, and then it had a few other things which for several reasons we won't mention.....

heh

oh, and of course Lady Chatterleys lover.

> That's where you could come in and mix it up. Add some crazy stuff to keep
> them on their toes.

oh i can be crazy alright....

> The worst part is I didn't just lay around, I did things! And the
> chocolate cake was still the highlight. See what I mean?

i'm trying to recall the highlight of my day....maybe when i was attempting to sing at church choir. i don't even know if that counts at this point. it might have been the highlight of my day, but it probably wasn't theirs!

> Pawn it off on me. I don't even think about calories anymore. I'm thin
> yeah but my insides are probably all clogged up. I went through a stage
> where I had to eat healthy. Bought low fat/fat free products and all that
> crap. Have you ever tasted fat free salad dressing? It will put you off of
> those products for life. I did this for about 2 years then one day I just
> stopped. Just like that. It's been butter, potato chips and pizza since
> then.

ah, wise selection.

i'm eating healthier, but i refuse to buy anything marked "low fat" on it. it's a complete ruse. they pump it up with other shit that's probably worse for you.

instead of eating as much junk, i'll do minor substitutions such as trail mix coz as much as i love all of the sugar stuff, i tend to really feel like shit after i eat it. really tired.

which isn't too bad as i've discovered that i love that stuff.

But what i meant is that i would love to try that cake, but i couldn't imagine having it sitting around my place. at some point, i won't eat it. i don't have any parties to make it for, and i sure as hell don't feel like taking it to work to reward anyone for being the assholes they are.

> I'm talking about chocolate cake and you're talking about acting classes.
> You've made me feel like a complete slug! Argh!!

its interesting. it's musical theater, to be more precise, and i'm a bit sad. i wish Loudon W. wasn't playing on monday. on that night, they are having a crash course in voice lessons which is something i desperately need.

but on the other hand...it's Loudon!

> no, he didn't shut it down.

Are you serious? That big sob message (complete with angel, angel down we go together lyrics) and then a link to the site is right after it? He should have consulted someone on that, it lessens the effect.

For his heartbreak to be believable he needs to shut down the site and only be seen around town dressed in black.

> i'm not involving myself with it. frankly, i think he's going "woe is
> me!" to get attention.

It was a bit much wasn't it. I honestly thought he was going to mention suicide in it. I don't want to get the knife out and start hacking away but that guy needs help.

> ha! mine too!

I insist my day was worse! I must win this contest, I need to feel sorry for myself.

> i dunno. i asked someone who should know and they just sorta gave an
> answer of "possible".

Well, that doesn't tell us anything. Pffft!

> yes, and i'm the most innocent of all morrissey! take the rest of the
> morons down with the ship! i'll sell them all out! including drunken
> demands! oh wait, did i say that? :^)

Hmmph! I'm not taking you along for Operation Morrissey 2 now!

> i can't. he's somewhere on a ship in the middle or far east. top secret.
> shhhhhhhh...

Oh dear.

> i tried downloading them, but i couldn't bear it! i had to leave. i felt
> wrong for even looking at it!

I gawked away as usual.

> either that or "oh god, won't they get a life?"
> i always assume the worst.

I usually do too but I didn't want to make Moz look real snobby. After all Morrissey may be reading this and he's on the fragile side remember. You're gonna hurt him!

> or "ha! my evil plan has worked!"
> whatever that plan may be.

Geez you forget so quickly. Remember the plan was to get the word out for a supposed tour so we would have another crumb to keep us occupied for a couple of months.

> it wasn't before?

Well, of course it was. I just felt like taking a shot at MTV. I have a lot of hostility inside, I need to get it out somehow.

> oh god. i think he's ugly! i shudder at such a beheamoth. he's too greasey
> and veiny looking.

You're being too kind. And that long streaked bleached blonde hair - yuck.

Excuse me marketing people but us women are a little more intelligent than most men. We don't need obvious exploding example of manliness to be intrigued.
I'll take a thin guy in his best bohemian look over Fabio anyday. He's just plain creepy.

> i've never actually read any of those novels, believe it or not.

I don't believe you, but I really haven't.

>i read an
> in-between by an author who is well known, but i can't remember he name
> off of the top of my head. Danielle Steel? someone like that. i sorta
> liked it.

Oh no! She's awful! Promise you won't model yourself after her.

It's funny how the authors of those romantic type books always look the part too. If you flip to the back where they usually have their photo they're always all dolled up with perfectly coiffed hair and red lips.

>it had plot, and then it had a few other things which for several reasons we >won't mention.....

I want to read it! Come on, print an excerpt. Again, just remember, no one reads this thread

And hey I want to read an interview with Rufus where he mentions those "things", in detail. We know he has it in him too. Have you read any of his interviews? He's really forward, he's fun. I like his interviews you never know what he's going to say.

> i'm eating healthier, but i refuse to buy anything marked "low
> fat" on it. it's a complete ruse. they pump it up with other shit
> that's probably worse for you.

No kidding. 10 years from now we know there's going to be warnings on those bottles. They have that creepy fake chemical taste, you know something bad is happening to you when you eat them.

> instead of eating as much junk, i'll do minor substitutions such as trail
> mix coz as much as i love all of the sugar stuff, i tend to really feel
> like shit after i eat it. really tired.

Trail mix! I love that stuff! It reminds me of when I was in grade school and one day of the year they would pass little plastic baggies around of it to everyone. I can't remember why they did it, but it was great. And there was always those weird kids who didn't like it and I would always try to pilfer their bags.

> But what i meant is that i would love to try that cake, but i couldn't
> imagine having it sitting around my place.

Oh I knew what you meant, I was just letting you know that if you didn't want to finish it because of all the calories that I'd step up to the plate.
Empty calories are my forte. I figure I have about 8-10 years before it starts catching up to me.

>at some point, i won't eat it.
> i don't have any parties to make it for, and i sure as hell don't feel
> like taking it to work to reward anyone for being the assholes they are.

You could save the rest of it and stuff it in Morrissey's mailbox after we complete Operation Morrissey. He said he welcomes fans to drop things off in his mailbox remember?

> its interesting. it's musical theater, to be more precise, and i'm a bit
> sad. i wish Loudon W. wasn't playing on monday. on that night, they are
> having a crash course in voice lessons which is something i desperately
> need. but on the other hand...it's Loudon!

You have to go with Loudon! You don't want to miss his foot stomping! I'm seeing Rufus this Sunday, I can't wait. He doesn't stomp his foot but hopefully he'll tell some smarmy stories.

> Are you serious? That big sob message (complete with angel, angel down we
> go together lyrics) and then a link to the site is right after it? He
> should have consulted someone on that, it lessens the effect.

i think it was more of a threat

"here are my demands! do as i say!"

> For his heartbreak to be believable he needs to shut down the site and
> only be seen around town dressed in black.

or maybe, we can see him on the Fox channel standing on an overpass and threatening to jump.

> It was a bit much wasn't it. I honestly thought he was going to mention
> suicide in it. I don't want to get the knife out and start hacking away
> but that guy needs help.

> I insist my day was worse! I must win this contest, I need to feel sorry
> for myself.

> Well, that doesn't tell us anything. Pffft!

yeah, its a bunch of bologna.

oh well.

> Hmmph! I'm not taking you along for Operation Morrissey 2 now!

Oh come on! look, i tell you what: usually, if someone lets me sneak into cool things, i tend to be their friends. but if someone comes along with something cooler..... well, you'll understand, won't you?

> Oh dear.

> I gawked away as usual.

i felt so weird. i just got this mental image of them clicking away like they worked for the Sun and moz cringing so....

> I usually do too but I didn't want to make Moz look real snobby. After all
> Morrissey may be reading this and he's on the fragile side remember.
> You're gonna hurt him!

you're right. he doesn't have a vengeful streak at all. what was i thinking?

> Geez you forget so quickly. Remember the plan was to get the word out for
> a supposed tour so we would have another crumb to keep us occupied for a
> couple of months.

oh yeah!!!!

y'see, i'm having some memory problems these days. i can't remember what was said 2 minutes ago so i'm repeating things a bit.

and it started after i saw that movie Memento. curse it!

> Well, of course it was. I just felt like taking a shot at MTV. I have a
> lot of hostility inside, I need to get it out somehow.

i don't see how that channel stays on the air. every time i try to watch it, i get massively bored.

> You're being too kind. And that long streaked bleached blonde hair - yuck.

and don't forget his chiseled features. he's a regular block head. or that android dude from Red Dwarf.

> Excuse me marketing people but us women are a little more intelligent than
> most men. We don't need obvious exploding example of manliness to be
> intrigued.
> I'll take a thin guy in his best bohemian look over Fabio anyday. He's
> just plain creepy.

i don't understand what the hell the problem is.

so, yeah, they always bring out these guys with massive chests and arms and you go "ewww!!!!!" just give me a guy with some definition.

> I don't believe you, but I really haven't.

> Oh no! She's awful! Promise you won't model yourself after her.

i can't remember if it was her or not! this person wrote a book called "message from Vietnam", and i came across it because my grandmother had read it and passed it onto me!

> It's funny how the authors of those romantic type books always look the
> part too. If you flip to the back where they usually have their photo
> they're always all dolled up with perfectly coiffed hair and red lips.

hey, i can be trashy...

> I want to read it! Come on, print an excerpt. Again, just remember, no one
> reads this thread

err.. well, you see, all i managed in that short amount of time was a few paragraphs that led to absolutely nothing. i think it ended up reading more like an Obsession ad.

i haven't had a chance to sit down and think.

> And hey I want to read an interview with Rufus where he mentions those
> "things", in detail. We know he has it in him too. Have you read
> any of his interviews? He's really forward, he's fun. I like his
> interviews you never know what he's going to say.

no, i haven't read any! i need to find some.

> No kidding. 10 years from now we know there's going to be warnings on
> those bottles. They have that creepy fake chemical taste, you know
> something bad is happening to you when you eat them.

yes, think big faceless corporation=likelihood of killing you at expense of eliminating 2 grams of fat.

oh, and that's another thing: many things marked low fat actually arent. they might be slighly lower fat.

> Trail mix! I love that stuff! It reminds me of when I was in grade school
> and one day of the year they would pass little plastic baggies around of
> it to everyone. I can't remember why they did it, but it was great. And
> there was always those weird kids who didn't like it and I would always
> try to pilfer their bags.

um, one of those kids would have been me!

i wasn't really adventurous back then. i had a certain list of foods i would eat and nuts weren't on it.

> Oh I knew what you meant, I was just letting you know that if you didn't
> want to finish it because of all the calories that I'd step up to the
> plate.
> Empty calories are my forte. I figure I have about 8-10 years before it
> starts catching up to me.

> You could save the rest of it and stuff it in Morrissey's mailbox after we
> complete Operation Morrissey. He said he welcomes fans to drop things off
> in his mailbox remember?

wait, he did? where did he say that?

yeah, we can make him a care package!

"Dear moz:

you look emaciated. here is the absolutely most fattening cake i could come up with. eat it all and don't share with anyone."

> You have to go with Loudon! You don't want to miss his foot stomping! I'm
> seeing Rufus this Sunday, I can't wait. He doesn't stomp his foot but
> hopefully he'll tell some smarmy stories.

well, i spoke too soon. the class was cancelled due to low turnout, so definitely, i will be at his show.

> or maybe, we can see him on the Fox channel standing on an overpass and
> threatening to jump.

And he tells everyone that the singer Morrissey has been his only friend in life so they track Morrissey to come down and talk him out of it.

> Oh come on! look, i tell you what: usually, if someone lets me sneak into
> cool things, i tend to be their friends.
>but if someone comes along with something cooler.....

You stab them in the back! Yeah I see how the game works and I'm not playing anymore :P

>Well, you'll understand, won't you?

See above! You'll regret it when I put up Operation Morrissey 2 webpage.
And I'll ask him good questions.

> i felt so weird. i just got this mental image of them clicking away like
> they worked for the Sun and moz cringing so....

I think Moz was eating it up. Sometimes I think he uses his fans for little ego boasts. He must have been lacking that day.

> you're right. he doesn't have a vengeful streak at all. what was i
> thinking?

He's as innocent as the driven snow. Don't worry we still love you Morrissey
but some of your fans are more savvy than others. Hey it's not our fault.

> oh yeah!!!!
> y'see, i'm having some memory problems these days. i can't remember what
> was said 2 minutes ago so i'm repeating things a bit.

That's what happens when you have a lot of things on your mind that you'd rather forget, your brain starts filing things in the wrong place. At least that's my excuse.

> and it started after i saw that movie Memento. curse it!

What did you think of that movie? I saw it after everyone was going on and on
about how incredible it was. I liked it yeah, it had a great premise, but I expected something more.

> and don't forget his chiseled features. he's a regular block head. or that
> android dude from Red Dwarf.

I guess some women find that attractive. Yeah android is a good way to describe him. He has that not human-like quality. He's not at all cuddly. I need cuddly.

Today I kept swaying back and forth as to whether I want a relationship or not.
My last one ended rather badly but now I'm getting that feeling like I may sink myself into another one against my better judgment. Not that there's any remotely interesting men around so I suppose I have nothing to worry about. Still, hopefully tomorrow I'll be back to having a more hardened stance. I was listening to "Imaginary Love" last night and pitifully I really related. After that I put on Loudon's "People in Love" and that made me feel a lot better.

> no, i haven't read any! i need to find some.

I love his interviews. I always think he is going to start giving out the intimate details of last nights one night stand. And sometimes he almost does. I need to find more, I think I've only come across about 5 of them.

> yes, think big faceless corporation=likelihood of killing you at expense
> of eliminating 2 grams of fat.

And what about those people who drink diet soda with their Triple bacon cheeseburgers. What is wrong with these people? I can now eat the biggie fries,
and Deluxe Big Mac with extra sauce because I'm getting the Diet Coke!

> i wasn't really adventurous back then. i had a certain list of foods i
> would eat and nuts weren't on it.

I was picky too but nuts happen to be on my list. I do remember not wanting to eat over at a friends house because the food their mother made was "weird".
And they would stick a big plate of whatever they were having in front of you and your heart would start to beat fast because you didn't know what to do and you had to hold back the tears. "but this isn't how my mama makes it!"

> wait, he did? where did he say that?

Well, on the ambitious outsiders site that Chris guy asked Morrissey if he could come back and put a note in his mailbox and Morrissey said sure. I took that to mean that his mailbox is a free for all

> yeah, we can make him a care package!

I really want to do this too but I have a strange desire to put really bizarre things in it like little army man figures, paper plates and video games.

> well, i spoke too soon. the class was cancelled due to low turnout, so
> definitely, i will be at his show.

Sometimes it's kinda nice when decisions are made for you. Some days I'd almost rather not know my options and just have it all fall in my lap.

> And he tells everyone that the singer Morrissey has been his only friend
> in life so they track Morrissey to come down and talk him out of it.

"chris...would you like to take another picture of my car? i'll let you touch it this time!"

> You stab them in the back! Yeah I see how the game works and I'm not
> playing anymore :P

> See above! You'll regret it when I put up Operation Morrissey 2 webpage.
> And I'll ask him good questions.

ah, but do you know where to find him?

of course, my trip would be a wee bit expensive.

> I think Moz was eating it up. Sometimes I think he uses his fans for
> little ego boasts. He must have been lacking that day.

he probably knew about their website and was just wanting to toy with them a bit.

and he didn't kick abrahan off his yard either!

maybe he likes standing around outside just to see what fan can come up and start freaking out. it must be fun watching people who are driving by suddenly slam on their brakes.

> He's as innocent as the driven snow. Don't worry we still love you
> Morrissey
> but some of your fans are more savvy than others. Hey it's not our fault.

> That's what happens when you have a lot of things on your mind that you'd
> rather forget, your brain starts filing things in the wrong place. At
> least that's my excuse.

i can't remember anything. but i seem to remember this website for some reason.

> What did you think of that movie? I saw it after everyone was going on and
> on
> about how incredible it was. I liked it yeah, it had a great premise, but
> I expected something more.

it was fine. it didn't blow me away, but it does make you think

> I guess some women find that attractive. Yeah android is a good way to
> describe him. He has that not human-like quality. He's not at all cuddly.
> I need cuddly.

yeah, that's what's wrong with him. he'd be like cuddling a jagged cliff along the ocean.

> Today I kept swaying back and forth as to whether I want a relationship or
> not.
> My last one ended rather badly but now I'm getting that feeling like I may
> sink myself into another one against my better judgment. Not that there's
> any remotely interesting men around so I suppose I have nothing to worry
> about. Still, hopefully tomorrow I'll be back to having a more hardened
> stance. I was listening to "Imaginary Love" last night and
> pitifully I really related. After that I put on Loudon's "People in
> Love" and that made me feel a lot better.

i don't relate to most love stories. i keep flashing back to Judge Larry Joe when they have some screaming people fighting over who owes who money.

that is actually one of my favorite Rufus songs from his first album. "every kind of love, or at least my kind of love, must be an imaginary love...."

i have some interesting men around, but i'm just sorta putting them off a bit. i shouldn't, i suppose. time to move on with my life, eh?

> I love his interviews. I always think he is going to start giving out the
> intimate details of last nights one night stand. And sometimes he almost
> does. I need to find more, I think I've only come across about 5 of them.

hmmmm.

> And what about those people who drink diet soda with their Triple bacon
> cheeseburgers. What is wrong with these people? I can now eat the biggie
> fries,
> and Deluxe Big Mac with extra sauce because I'm getting the Diet Coke!

because that's their version of suffering for weight loss.

and it kills me that they think the fat free calories they saved from having a diet coke equal the amount of fat calories they had in their super sized meal.

and then they go home, lay on the couch and watch TV and say, "i dont understand why i'm not losing any weight!"

> I was picky too but nuts happen to be on my list. I do remember not
> wanting to eat over at a friends house because the food their mother made
> was "weird".
> And they would stick a big plate of whatever they were having in front of
> you and your heart would start to beat fast because you didn't know what
> to do and you had to hold back the tears. "but this isn't how my mama
> makes it!"

i would drive my family because when we would go to restaurants, i would order the same thing over and over again. when i went to a mexican food restaurant, i wanted a hamburger. well, if i went anywhere, i wanted a hamburger. except the restaurants that served grilled cheese sandwiches.

of course, i've completely leaped over them and i now eat stuff like tofu.

> Well, on the ambitious outsiders site that Chris guy asked Morrissey if he
> could come back and put a note in his mailbox and Morrissey said sure. I
> took that to mean that his mailbox is a free for all

i tried that. but i'm paranoid. I know for certain of at least one stalker person that pilfers through his mailbox, so i'm not convinced he got it.

but yes, moz was easy that day.

"hey moz, can we tear up your flowers?"
"Sure!"
"hey, moz, i gotta leak. do you mind if i use your bushes?"
"no problem!"

> I really want to do this too but I have a strange desire to put really
> bizarre things in it like little army man figures, paper plates and video
> games.

heh heh. sounds like your packing for an 11 year old boy at summer camp.

i'm torn. there's part of me that wants to torture him by putting a CD of my music complete with video tape.

then, there is the nice part of me that wants to find some nice trinket that i theorize he might like.

or something goofy like a quilt with his likeness.

or a tear-away shirt. ooops!

and the sad thing is i have to do things on a whim, so whatever mood i'm in that day is what my mark on the world will be.

> Sometimes it's kinda nice when decisions are made for you. Some days I'd
> almost rather not know my options and just have it all fall in my lap.

but it makes me sorta sad. every time i try and make a pitiful stab at trying to get involved in something in the realm of performing, it deflates like a soufflee.

this class would have been perfect. now what?

oh well. at least i will be entertained for at least one of those evenings. i should have been learning dance moves, but instead, i'm sitting at home pitifully with the 4-track and trying to figure out how badly i sound when i'm trying to sing hymnals.

> "chris...would you like to take another picture of my car? i'll let
> you touch it this time!"

lol! That would be interesting to see on the 6 o'clock news.

disclaimer - just in case someone reads this and thinks I'm a sicko Chris doesn't jump.

> ah, but do you know where to find him?

What? (a sudden realization) Well, no... Oh hell I'm not the stalker type anyway.

> of course, my trip would be a wee bit expensive.

Hey mine too. We could drop the bill off for the plane fare in Moz's
free for all mailbox. heh.

> that is actually one of my favorite Rufus songs from his first album.
> "every kind of love, or at least my kind of love, must be an
> imaginary love...."

Oh definitely mine too. I clicked with that one right away. I liked Rufus's explanation of that song. Here it is just in case you never came across it...

"It's about how whenever I fall in love, I have these
expectations of the experience being a perfect dream, which, of
course, ruins it. I imagine cradling my lover's head in my lap in
a cab in the middle of the night, and drinking champagne in an
elegant hotel suite. But life's rarely like that, and I usually
end up walking home by myself in the rain."

> i have some interesting men around, but i'm just sorta putting them off a
> bit. i shouldn't, i suppose. time to move on with my life, eh?

If you have interesting men around then you're past the first hurdle.
As far as moving on with your life... Does love make your life move forward? It can, but the scary thing is it has the power to move it backwards just as easily. At least that is the way my mind sees it.

When things are great you're on top of the world but seldom does it ever seem to last. And then what are you left with? You're farther back then when you started and you have these big gashing wounds that you have no idea how to fix. I try not to be cynical about it but sometimes it gets the better of you.

I fluctuate on this topic daily. Today it would be nice to have someone around but tomorrow I'll probably feel differently. I guess in my heart I want it but...I'm my own worst enemy.

> i would drive my family because when we would go to restaurants, i would
> order the same thing over and over again. when i went to a mexican food
> restaurant, i wanted a hamburger. well, if i went anywhere, i wanted a
> hamburger. except the restaurants that served grilled cheese sandwiches.

I used to do that when I was younger. Stick with what you know kind of thing. It sucks when you order something new and hate it and then you just sit there staring at what everyone else has thinking, why didn't I just go with the "safe meal".

> of course, i've completely leaped over them and i now eat stuff like tofu.

And do they think you're odd? Some people in my family still can't get their head around the fact that I'm a vegetarian.

There's always those elderly relatives who forget that you don't eat meat and
I always have to remind them. Then of course comes -

them - "Well, you eat fish don't you?"
me - "Well, no, actually I don't"
them - "Well, what the hell do you eat then?"

> i tried that. but i'm paranoid. I know for certain of at least one stalker
> person that pilfers through his mailbox, so i'm not convinced he got it.

What about those stalkers who go through garbage. How strange is that? I don't care who it is I am not rummaging through garbage.

> but yes, moz was easy that day.

I was thinking the same thing. What was up with him that day? Maybe someone spiked his tea.

> heh heh. sounds like your packing for an 11 year old boy at summer camp.

It shows my mindset doesn't it?

> i'm torn. there's part of me that wants to torture him by putting a CD of
> my music complete with video tape.

Do you think he listens to those things fans give him? I find it hard to believe. I suppose there are always those ones that somehow slip through the crack but overall I'm not betting on it. I guess it can't hurt to try though.
Maybe you'll catch him on another spiked tea day.

> then, there is the nice part of me that wants to find some nice trinket
> that i theorize he might like.

I always thought the "there is a light" rug in the Suedehead video was a nice gift.

> or something goofy like a quilt with his likeness.
> or a tear-away shirt. ooops!

That's the one!

> and the sad thing is i have to do things on a whim, so whatever mood i'm
> in that day is what my mark on the world will be.

Sometimes I think the best things happen on a whim. When you think about things too much it tends to muck everything up.

> but it makes me sorta sad. every time i try and make a pitiful stab at
> trying to get involved in something in the realm of performing, it
> deflates like a soufflee.

Don't feel bad, I'm sure something like that will come along again.

> this class would have been perfect. now what?

You keep your eyes scoured for another one...

> oh well. at least i will be entertained for at least one of those
> evenings. i should have been learning dance moves, but instead, i'm
> sitting at home pitifully with the 4-track and trying to figure out how
> badly i sound when i'm trying to sing hymnals.

Well, at least you have ideas and your trying to do something with it. It's more
than a lot of people do.

> "chris...would you like to take another picture of my car? i'll let
> you touch it this time!"

You sad bitch. Get a life, some sex and stop being so ridiculous.

> ah, but do you know where to find him?

> of course, my trip would be a wee bit expensive.

> he probably knew about their website and was just wanting to toy with them
> a bit.

> and he didn't kick abrahan off his yard either!

> maybe he likes standing around outside just to see what fan can come up
> and start freaking out. it must be fun watching people who are driving by
> suddenly slam on their brakes.

> i can't remember anything. but i seem to remember this website for some
> reason.

> it was fine. it didn't blow me away, but it does make you think

> yeah, that's what's wrong with him. he'd be like cuddling a jagged cliff
> along the ocean.

> i don't relate to most love stories. i keep flashing back to Judge Larry
> Joe when they have some screaming people fighting over who owes who money.

> that is actually one of my favorite Rufus songs from his first album.
> "every kind of love, or at least my kind of love, must be an
> imaginary love...."

> i have some interesting men around, but i'm just sorta putting them off a
> bit. i shouldn't, i suppose. time to move on with my life, eh?

> hmmmm.

> because that's their version of suffering for weight loss.

> and it kills me that they think the fat free calories they saved from
> having a diet coke equal the amount of fat calories they had in their
> super sized meal.

> and then they go home, lay on the couch and watch TV and say, "i dont
> understand why i'm not losing any weight!"

> i would drive my family because when we would go to restaurants, i would
> order the same thing over and over again. when i went to a mexican food
> restaurant, i wanted a hamburger. well, if i went anywhere, i wanted a
> hamburger. except the restaurants that served grilled cheese sandwiches.

> of course, i've completely leaped over them and i now eat stuff like tofu.

> i tried that. but i'm paranoid. I know for certain of at least one stalker
> person that pilfers through his mailbox, so i'm not convinced he got it.

> but yes, moz was easy that day.

> "hey moz, can we tear up your flowers?"
> "Sure!"
> "hey, moz, i gotta leak. do you mind if i use your bushes?"
> "no problem!"

> heh heh. sounds like your packing for an 11 year old boy at summer camp.

> i'm torn. there's part of me that wants to torture him by putting a CD of
> my music complete with video tape.

> then, there is the nice part of me that wants to find some nice trinket
> that i theorize he might like.

> or something goofy like a quilt with his likeness.

> or a tear-away shirt. ooops!

> and the sad thing is i have to do things on a whim, so whatever mood i'm
> in that day is what my mark on the world will be.

> but it makes me sorta sad. every time i try and make a pitiful stab at
> trying to get involved in something in the realm of performing, it
> deflates like a soufflee.

> this class would have been perfect. now what?

> oh well. at least i will be entertained for at least one of those
> evenings. i should have been learning dance moves, but instead, i'm
> sitting at home pitifully with the 4-track and trying to figure out how
> badly i sound when i'm trying to sing hymnals.

> no, he didn't shut it down.

> if you get to the end of that long diatribe, there is a link that takes
> you on to the normal stuff.

> i'm not involving myself with it. frankly, i think he's going "woe is
> me!" to get attention.

> "morrissey! i'm but a minor pawn, but i identify with your pain and
> suffering, as I have suffered on your behalf...."

Tsc Tsc Tsc, Can anybody give a gun to this cheap prostitute? You're pathetic, the same old boring girl from Texas, so frustrated and so bored that you could spend your whole day in here to keep this bothering talking, just to pretend you're funny and clever.

> either that, or he's one of the wimpiest people on the internet.

> ha! mine too!

> i dunno. i asked someone who should know and they just sorta gave an
> answer of "possible".

> yes, and i'm the most innocent of all morrissey! take the rest of the
> morons down with the ship! i'll sell them all out! including drunken
> demands!

> oh wait, did i say that? :^)

> don't know if they need to practice that much, even though it has been 2
> years, but of course, the big question is booking the venue. and most acts
> of his stature start announcing dates about 2 months before they play
> them.

> unless, he's playing open mics, then he could walk up 30 minutes before
> the start of the show and sign a list.

> i can't. he's somewhere on a ship in the middle or far east. top secret.
> shhhhhhhh...

> i tried downloading them, but i couldn't bear it! i had to leave. i felt
> wrong for even looking at it!

> either that or "oh god, won't they get a life?"

> i always assume the worst.

> or "ha! my evil plan has worked!"

> whatever that plan may be.

> truth that is stranger than fiction!

> it wasn't before?

> it's all about having a 'tude.

> at least Pauly shore has finally and completely disappeared.

> oh god. i think he's ugly! i shudder at such a beheamoth. he's too greasey
> and veiny looking.

> i've never actually read any of those novels, believe it or not. i read an
> in-between by an author who is well known, but i can't remember he name
> off of the top of my head. Danielle Steel? someone like that. i sorta
> liked it. it had plot, and then it had a few other things which for
> several reasons we won't mention.....

> heh

> oh, and of course Lady Chatterleys lover.

> oh i can be crazy alright....

> i'm trying to recall the highlight of my day....maybe when i was
> attempting to sing at church choir. i don't even know if that counts at
> this point. it might have been the highlight of my day, but it probably
> wasn't theirs!

> ah, wise selection.

> i'm eating healthier, but i refuse to buy anything marked "low
> fat" on it. it's a complete ruse. they pump it up with other shit
> that's probably worse for you.

> instead of eating as much junk, i'll do minor substitutions such as trail
> mix coz as much as i love all of the sugar stuff, i tend to really feel
> like shit after i eat it. really tired.

> which isn't too bad as i've discovered that i love that stuff.

> But what i meant is that i would love to try that cake, but i couldn't
> imagine having it sitting around my place. at some point, i won't eat it.
> i don't have any parties to make it for, and i sure as hell don't feel
> like taking it to work to reward anyone for being the assholes they are.

> its interesting. it's musical theater, to be more precise, and i'm a bit
> sad. i wish Loudon W. wasn't playing on monday. on that night, they are
> having a crash course in voice lessons which is something i desperately
> need.

> but on the other hand...it's Loudon!

> lol! That would be interesting to see on the 6 o'clock news.

> disclaimer - just in case someone reads this and thinks I'm a sicko Chris
> doesn't jump.

> What? (a sudden realization) Well, no... Oh hell I'm not the stalker type
> anyway.

i mean, you COULD drive to LA and just stand around and see what happens, but its sorta a big place.

> Hey mine too. We could drop the bill off for the plane fare in Moz's
> free for all mailbox. heh.

yeah, give some warning so i can make the cake. then, he will be in a generous mood!

> Oh definitely mine too. I clicked with that one right away. I liked
> Rufus's explanation of that song. Here it is just in case you never came
> across it...

> "It's about how whenever I fall in love, I have these
> expectations of the experience being a perfect dream, which, of
> course, ruins it. I imagine cradling my lover's head in my lap in
> a cab in the middle of the night, and drinking champagne in an
> elegant hotel suite. But life's rarely like that, and I usually
> end up walking home by myself in the rain."

ah yes. i've done some walking alone.

so, what was behind that song "you'll never walk alone" no, he didn't write it. i'm referencing Jerry Lewis singing it at the end of the telethon.

> If you have interesting men around then you're past the first hurdle.
> As far as moving on with your life... Does love make your life move
> forward? It can, but the scary thing is it has the power to move it
> backwards just as easily. At least that is the way my mind sees it.

yes, i've definitely seen more than one person come to a screeching halt. i don't see much evidence that it causes people to jump off buildings and start flying. far from it. they usually drop everything and become shut ins because they have to devote every moment to their special someone.

> When things are great you're on top of the world but seldom does it ever
> seem to last. And then what are you left with? You're farther back then
> when you started and you have these big gashing wounds that you have no
> idea how to fix. I try not to be cynical about it but sometimes it gets
> the better of you.

time marches on either way. and i've done the whole "no, i have other things to worry about" but in the end, i don't think i've achieved any more than anyone in a relationship.

> I fluctuate on this topic daily. Today it would be nice to have someone
> around but tomorrow I'll probably feel differently. I guess in my heart I
> want it but...I'm my own worst enemy.

it really depends sometimes. a lot of times its physical. mid-month, its like "hey, where did all of these hot guys come from?" then...boom.

and other times i'm just looking at the practicalities. who exactly am i saving myself for? how do i know i'm not just sitting around time wasting when i could be happy elsewhere?

> I used to do that when I was younger. Stick with what you know kind of
> thing. It sucks when you order something new and hate it and then you just
> sit there staring at what everyone else has thinking, why didn't I just go
> with the "safe meal".

well, i didn't have that problem, and college also cured me of it. they serve you such junk in the cafeteria and you are starving so you learn to eat anything.

> And do they think you're odd? Some people in my family still can't get
> their head around the fact that I'm a vegetarian.

> There's always those elderly relatives who forget that you don't eat meat
> and
> I always have to remind them. Then of course comes -

> them - "Well, you eat fish don't you?"
> me - "Well, no, actually I don't"
> them - "Well, what the hell do you eat then?"

i get the same problem, but with when it comes to things like broth. or pizzas. "can't you just pick off the pepperoni?"

> What about those stalkers who go through garbage. How strange is that? I
> don't care who it is I am not rummaging through garbage.

yeah, thats' really nasty. maybe moz keeps a cat so he can load up each bag with a nice little gift of cat turds.

> I was thinking the same thing. What was up with him that day? Maybe
> someone spiked his tea.

maybe he's just lonely.

> It shows my mindset doesn't it?

> Do you think he listens to those things fans give him? I find it hard to
> believe. I suppose there are always those ones that somehow slip through
> the crack but overall I'm not betting on it. I guess it can't hurt to try
> though.
> Maybe you'll catch him on another spiked tea day.

possibly. but i wouldn't do it. i'm sure he wouldn't be opening his mail and saying, "yay! another one!"

> I always thought the "there is a light" rug in the Suedehead
> video was a nice gift.

maybe some nice socks.

> That's the one!

maybe he'd wear it on stage for his tour.

> Sometimes I think the best things happen on a whim. When you think about
> things too much it tends to muck everything up.

> Don't feel bad, I'm sure something like that will come along again.

no, i have a running curse in that area. the New Guy was a fluke. There have been other times when i've tried to do things and i was foiled.

> You keep your eyes scoured for another one...

they said they're not going to have another one this semester.

> Well, at least you have ideas and your trying to do something with it.
> It's more
> than a lot of people do.

i suppose. i don't think that trying to hopefully impress some stuffy classical music types at a church is going to really get me anywhere.

I have zero energy today.

> i mean, you COULD drive to LA and just stand around and see what happens,
> but its sorta a big place.

No driving for me, I'm on the other side of the country.

> yeah, give some warning so i can make the cake. then, he will be in a
> generous mood!

The way things are today I'd end up eating the cake before we got to the mailbox.

> ah yes. i've done some walking alone.

Same here, believe me.

> so, what was behind that song "you'll never walk alone" no, he
> didn't write it. i'm referencing Jerry Lewis singing it at the end of the
> telethon.

Hope. If you have hope you'll never walk alone.

> yes, i've definitely seen more than one person come to a screeching halt.
> i don't see much evidence that it causes people to jump off buildings and
> start flying. far from it. they usually drop everything and become shut
> ins because they have to devote every moment to their special someone.

That's true. I hate when people do that. I can understand it to a point but come on.

> time marches on either way. and i've done the whole "no, i have other
> things to worry about" but in the end, i don't think i've achieved
> any more than anyone in a relationship.

I guess it depends on what you consider achievement, that's different for everyone. One man's achievement is another man's failure.

> it really depends sometimes. a lot of times its physical. mid-month, its
> like "hey, where did all of these hot guys come from?"
> then...boom.

I hear you. I think that's kind of been zapped from me though.

See the perfect cure for that is find a guy date him for a couple years and when everything goes bad you'll find you won't think about men for a long time. Of course then you'll have other troubles. I don't know which is worse though.

> and other times i'm just looking at the practicalities. who exactly am i
> saving myself for? how do i know i'm not just sitting around time wasting
> when i could be happy elsewhere?

You don't, that's why you have to try to find out. It sounds to me like you could be happy elsewhere. Whomever, whatever or wherever elsewhere is.

Not speaking of people, but more so of goals, I try to live like this - set a goal, try to achieve it, but when the fact that I'm not achieving it starts to wear me down, I make myself move onto something else.

That way I can at least be on the road to finding something else that might inspire me and make me happy. Of course the lack of the achievement in the first area stays in the back of my mind but at least I'm not focusing on it to the point of excluding all else.

> well, i didn't have that problem, and college also cured me of it. they
> serve you such junk in the cafeteria and you are starving so you learn to
> eat anything.

That is like this generation's depression era stories.

> i get the same problem, but with when it comes to things like broth. or
> pizzas. "can't you just pick off the pepperoni?"

Oh yeah, I get that too. Very annoying. Broth is a hard one for non-veggies to understand.

"No, see, I don't eat that because it's made with chicken"
"What? No, look, I strained the chicken out"

> no, i have a running curse in that area. the New Guy was a fluke. There
> have been other times when i've tried to do things and i was foiled.

I'm cursed too but you have to pretend to be positive about these things.
You have to trick your brain. A lot of time it's hard to muster but it usually attracts positive things.

Trust me, these are wise words. Grab them with both hands and feel the positivity rush through you.

> they said they're not going to have another one this semester.

Next semester then. What other choice do you have? Well, you have other-other choices but you know what I mean.

Well, it's 2 days until the Rufus concert for me. I went onto the message board and saw the girls on there talking about what they're going to be wearing to the shows. I saw things like pink boas, rhinestone shoes and rainbow bracelets.

Hmm...it looks like I'm really going to be underdressed.

> I have zero energy today.

why?

> No driving for me, I'm on the other side of the country.

me too! or half way. but i'm not driving through the desert.

> The way things are today I'd end up eating the cake before we got to the
> mailbox.

oh well. we'll leave a note. "hey, we figured you needed some help eating it since you are alone...."

> Same here, believe me.

> Hope. If you have hope you'll never walk alone.

heh.

> That's true. I hate when people do that. I can understand it to a point
> but come on.

> I guess it depends on what you consider achievement, that's different for
> everyone. One man's achievement is another man's failure.

i don't think my "failures" would be thought of as achievements by any sane person.

> I hear you. I think that's kind of been zapped from me though.

> See the perfect cure for that is find a guy date him for a couple years
> and when everything goes bad you'll find you won't think about men for a
> long time. Of course then you'll have other troubles. I don't know which
> is worse though.

hmm.

no, it's just much easier to watch an episode of Ricki Lake.

"that ain't my baby!"
"yes it is! and you're going to take care of it!"
"you're a ho that sleeps around! it don't even look like me!"

there, i'm cured for a while.

> You don't, that's why you have to try to find out. It sounds to me like
> you could be happy elsewhere. Whomever, whatever or wherever elsewhere is.

i suppose. but i've never worked up to the breaking point of daily happiness.

> Not speaking of people, but more so of goals, I try to live like this -
> set a goal, try to achieve it, but when the fact that I'm not achieving it
> starts to wear me down, I make myself move onto something else.

i think everything has worn me down at this point. i just don't find a reason to try much anymore.

that's why it boggles my mind when i see people i know who keep marching on ahead, going to grad school or fighting against the odds. i think i'm too jaded at this point.

> That way I can at least be on the road to finding something else that
> might inspire me and make me happy. Of course the lack of the achievement
> in the first area stays in the back of my mind but at least I'm not
> focusing on it to the point of excluding all else.

ahh.. the road of constant failure...

> That is like this generation's depression era stories.

people think i'm picky, but actually i'm not.

> Oh yeah, I get that too. Very annoying. Broth is a hard one for
> non-veggies to understand.

> "No, see, I don't eat that because it's made with chicken"
> "What? No, look, I strained the chicken out"

and then they get mad when you mention that you don't say anything about what they eat.

> I'm cursed too but you have to pretend to be positive about these things.
> You have to trick your brain. A lot of time it's hard to muster but it
> usually attracts positive things.

heh. oh well.

> Trust me, these are wise words. Grab them with both hands and feel the
> positivity rush through you.

I can't remember the last time i rushed as something positively. I think i did some things cautiously in case that i was proven wrong and it did turn out well, but even then, nothing really happened to prove my instincts were wrong.

> Next semester then. What other choice do you have? Well, you have
> other-other choices but you know what I mean.

i guess just sit around, surf the web. yell at some people about websites or moz's proposed tour. read half of a book. sing in church choir. work on fixing up my place a bit. send out a resume or two. go see a couple of bands if i'm not too tired.

i'm so glad things worked out for the best in that area. who knows what such a positive environment with new things i've never tried before would have done to destroy what i have? the possible repercussions would have been horrible. *whew*

> Well, it's 2 days until the Rufus concert for me. I went onto the message
> board and saw the girls on there talking about what they're going to be
> wearing to the shows. I saw things like pink boas, rhinestone shoes and
> rainbow bracelets.

> Hmm...it looks like I'm really going to be underdressed.

that's weird. but i'm sure they're doing it just to get his attention. i checked that board last night for the first time in a couple of days.

> why?

I don't quite know, but I do know I'm on a no energy streak. I sleep poorly, that's probably it. I'm just the worst sleeper imaginable. How do these people say well it's time for bed and then plop down for 8 hours and then stay sound asleep is beyond me. Those people drive me crazy.

> me too! or half way. but i'm not driving through the desert.

I think it would be nice to drive through the desert! I've never seen any desert type areas living here in the east. Overall I'm very much a trees type of person. I like lots of trees and hills but still I think it would be interesting to drive through flat, sandy areas. It seems exotic to me for some reason.

> i don't think my "failures" would be thought of as achievements
> by any sane person.

But that's because they're your failures. I bet some of your "failures" would
be achievements to me. Going out and singing in front of a crowd would be an achievement for me because I have a fear of that kind of thing. Public speaking,
all that kind of stuff.

> no, it's just much easier to watch an episode of Ricki Lake.
> "that ain't my baby!"
> "yes it is! and you're going to take care of it!"
> "you're a ho that sleeps around! it don't even look like me!"

Makes your life suddenly seem more meaningful doesn't it? You really have to wonder where they dig these people up. I guess we all know someone nutty enough to go on there though. They could devote an entire week to a couple of my family members.

> i suppose. but i've never worked up to the breaking point of daily
> happiness.

Me neither. But I think to myself has anyone done this? I'm quite sure it's impossible unless you're a maniac.

> i think everything has worn me down at this point. i just don't find a
> reason to try much anymore.

Nah you don't seem like that to me. It seems you're trying quite a few things actually. You're too hard on yourself.

> that's why it boggles my mind when i see people i know who keep marching
> on ahead, going to grad school or fighting against the odds. i think i'm
> too jaded at this point.

I feel the same way. Sometimes I'll get on an optimistic streak and I'll feel as though I can tackle the world and then the next day I'll think what the hell was I thinking. I suppose the people who get things done are the ones who have more of those optimistic days. I figured that out, see how smart I am.

> people think i'm picky, but actually i'm not.

I think I'm a bit picky. I tend to be an all or nothing person which I think is bad. I'm working to change that though. I'm trying to find some middle ground in more areas of my life and I'll feel it a real achievement if I'm able to accomplish that.

> i guess just sit around, surf the web. yell at some people about websites
> or moz's proposed tour. read half of a book. sing in church choir. work on
> fixing up my place a bit. send out a resume or two. go see a couple of
> bands if i'm not too tired.

I'm getting a new place shortly so I've been focusing a lot of energy in that direction. At least it's something. I'm on this strange domestic streak as of late. Cooking, decorating, plants. It's a little odd maybe, but I feel a certain kind of peacefulness about it. I take a lot of pleasure in simple things. I get an incredible amount of happiness from a simple cup of tea. Or a new book.

Like the other day I found this funky green ceramic plant holder and it made me ridiculously happy. I realize it sounds a bit insane to most people.

I do counter it with other things like photography and travel, lest I become too boring.

> that's weird. but i'm sure they're doing it just to get his attention. i
> checked that board last night for the first time in a couple of days.

Probably. Maybe they are also doing it because they are having meet ups and want to impress each other. hehe. I suppose it seems fun in a youthful sort of way. At least the pink boa thing. I haven't even thought twice about what I'm going to wear. I honestly could care less. I just can't be the clotheshorse type. I'm more of an artsy fartsy ragamuffin type. Well, maybe not that bad. I do like glitter nail polish - hehe.

> I don't quite know, but I do know I'm on a no energy streak. I sleep
> poorly, that's probably it. I'm just the worst sleeper imaginable. How do
> these people say well it's time for bed and then plop down for 8 hours and
> then stay sound asleep is beyond me. Those people drive me crazy.

i know people who can sucessfully go to bed before midnight!

> I think it would be nice to drive through the desert! I've never seen any
> desert type areas living here in the east. Overall I'm very much a trees
> type of person. I like lots of trees and hills but still I think it would
> be interesting to drive through flat, sandy areas. It seems exotic to me
> for some reason.

oh god no. i drove through the desert once going from Vegas to Coachella and it was a boring and sorta frightening drive. you don't see anything for miles and you really don't want to be stranded in the mid day heat by yourself should something happen.

> But that's because they're your failures. I bet some of your
> "failures" would
> be achievements to me. Going out and singing in front of a crowd would be
> an achievement for me because I have a fear of that kind of thing. Public
> speaking,
> all that kind of stuff.

what? you think i'm not afraid?

look, i do tolerable singing neatly disguised within a group, but i fall apart when i'm having to carry the load by myself. even after months of singing in this group, i still can't do it. i almost had to sing soprano by myself one time and it was so bad that they finally gave up and found something else to sing that was more in unison.

> Makes your life suddenly seem more meaningful doesn't it? You really have
> to wonder where they dig these people up. I guess we all know someone
> nutty enough to go on there though. They could devote an entire week to a
> couple of my family members.

there is an endless stream of them as they can make talk shows and court TV shows out of all of them....and those are the ones who aren't afraid to go on TV.

> Me neither. But I think to myself has anyone done this? I'm quite sure
> it's impossible unless you're a maniac.

> Nah you don't seem like that to me. It seems you're trying quite a few
> things actually. You're too hard on yourself.

i dont' think i'm trying anything new. if i was, why do i still feel this pervasive sense of boredom?

> I feel the same way. Sometimes I'll get on an optimistic streak and I'll
> feel as though I can tackle the world and then the next day I'll think
> what the hell was I thinking. I suppose the people who get things done are
> the ones who have more of those optimistic days. I figured that out, see
> how smart I am.

either that, or they are REALLY lucky!

> I think I'm a bit picky. I tend to be an all or nothing person which I
> think is bad. I'm working to change that though. I'm trying to find some
> middle ground in more areas of my life and I'll feel it a real achievement
> if I'm able to accomplish that.

> I'm getting a new place shortly so I've been focusing a lot of energy in
> that direction. At least it's something. I'm on this strange domestic
> streak as of late. Cooking, decorating, plants. It's a little odd maybe,
> but I feel a certain kind of peacefulness about it. I take a lot of
> pleasure in simple things. I get an incredible amount of happiness from a
> simple cup of tea. Or a new book.

yeah, i'd been doing that for a bit. there was a good while where i preferred Home Depot or Bed Bath and Beyond to going to the record store.

i was cooking a bit last year, but i've sorta had to stop. it feels like i can't find the time, which is insane as i'm not really doing anything. or maybe i'm just not feeling very patient with it these days. it was fun for a while.

so, i've been keeping morning star and their lovely veggie Buffalo wing making service in business.

> Like the other day I found this funky green ceramic plant holder and it
> made me ridiculously happy. I realize it sounds a bit insane to most
> people.

well, i decided i needed a decorative table! so there!

and i was sewing a bit. i'm making my bridesmaid dress. i've started pinning the pattern pieces onto the fabric, but that's as far as i've gotten.

> I do counter it with other things like photography and travel, lest I
> become too boring.

i don't really own a camera, and travel is just sorta one of those things that i can only do once a year. not that i wouldn't want to travel more, but because of how things go at work, it's hard to take all of my vacation in one lump sum, or at least, take enough of it in consecutive days that traveling would be worth my while.

i envy this one guy. he works in this other department and now gets about 3-4 weeks of vacation, so he takes it all at once and goes on these exorbitant trips like to Greece or the Himilayas.

> Probably. Maybe they are also doing it because they are having meet ups
> and want to impress each other. hehe. I suppose it seems fun in a youthful
> sort of way. At least the pink boa thing. I haven't even thought twice
> about what I'm going to wear. I honestly could care less. I just can't be
> the clotheshorse type. I'm more of an artsy fartsy ragamuffin type. Well,
> maybe not that bad. I do like glitter nail polish - hehe.

fun? we don't have fun! *frowns*

but i don't even have that much style to be artsy fartsy. i just sorta walk into a department store and i'm all like, "hey! here's a sweater! and it's in my price range and doesn't require dry cleaning!"

but even when i was 18, i couldn't imagine saying, "hey, i'm going to wear a feather boa!" but i'm boring and non-descript like that.

> i know people who can sucessfully go to bed before midnight!

So do I. Such an odd thing to go to bed before midnight.

> oh god no. i drove through the desert once going from Vegas to Coachella
> and it was a boring and sorta frightening drive. you don't see anything
> for miles and you really don't want to be stranded in the mid day heat by
> yourself should something happen.

That's true. But if I were to borrow a cell phone then I'd be up for it in case I got stranded. I really do want to drive through and see what it's like. Someday hopefully.

> what? you think i'm not afraid?

Well, if you are afraid then it's even more of an accomplishment!

> look, i do tolerable singing neatly disguised within a group, but i fall
> apart when i'm having to carry the load by myself. even after months of
> singing in this group, i still can't do it. i almost had to sing soprano
> by myself one time and it was so bad that they finally gave up and found
> something else to sing that was more in unison.

The closest I ever got to anything of the sort was when I was in chorus in grade school. Hehhe pitiful.

> i dont' think i'm trying anything new. if i was, why do i still feel this
> pervasive sense of boredom?

Because you want more than you're getting. It doesn't mean you haven't accomplished anything though.

> either that, or they are REALLY lucky!

I was going to mention that too but I didn't want to remind myself of how damn unlucky I am.

> yeah, i'd been doing that for a bit. there was a good while where i
> preferred Home Depot or Bed Bath and Beyond to going to the record store.

I'm glad I'm not the only one. I guess I'm going through that stage now. I'm having fun. Maybe tomorrow I'll go and look at lamps. heh.

> i was cooking a bit last year, but i've sorta had to stop. it feels like i
> can't find the time, which is insane as i'm not really doing anything. or
> maybe i'm just not feeling very patient with it these days. it was fun for
> a while.

I'm cooking quite a bit lately. A regular Betty Crocker. I remember a time when I used to tell my friends I couldn't find my way around a kitchen to save my life and now I'm bringing them veggie lasagna and pots of chili.

> so, i've been keeping morning star and their lovely veggie Buffalo wing
> making service in business.

You and me both! I have a bunch of those green boxes in my freezer. Their chik (sp?) patties are pretty good too.

> well, i decided i needed a decorative table! so there!

I have a hard time committing to tables. They seem like such big purchases to me even if they're just end tables. If you change your mind about it or get sick of them what the heck do you do with a bunch of tables. I break out into a sweat at the thought of purchasing a couch.

> and i was sewing a bit. i'm making my bridesmaid dress. i've started
> pinning the pattern pieces onto the fabric, but that's as far as i've
> gotten.

That's cool that you're making a bridesmaid dress. Who's getting married?
Your sister yeah? I think you may have mentioned it or maybe it was when I read your journal postings. So everyone is wearing a different bridesmaid dress? I always remember them all having to match (at least in style) and being really horrific. I was a bridesmaid awhile back. The dress was just the silliest thing you could ever imagine.

I haven't been to a wedding in ages. I remember the last one I attended when the bouquet was thrown it came right at me and I ducked like it was an axe.

> i don't really own a camera, and travel is just sorta one of those things
> that i can only do once a year.

I'm into short weekend trips, nothing extensive. Not that I'm not into extensive ones but these little weekend trips suit me well.

> i envy this one guy. he works in this other department and now gets about
> 3-4 weeks of vacation, so he takes it all at once and goes on these
> exorbitant trips like to Greece or the Himilayas.

Now that would be nice. I would love to visit Spain. Just one of many places I'd love to go. Plus air fares are so cheap now that it's so tempting.

> but even when i was 18, i couldn't imagine saying, "hey, i'm going to
> wear a feather boa!" but i'm boring and non-descript like that.

I wouldn't wear a feather boa either nomatter what my age. I wouldn't want to draw that much attention to myself. Plus I'd just feel ridiculous. I'm looking forward to the show, the only thing is I wish I had better seats!

> So do I. Such an odd thing to go to bed before midnight.

man, i sure as hell didn't do it last night. i sorta ended up falling asleep on someones floor watching TV at 2 AM, but i drove home and woke up enough a bit that i was up til nearly 5.

> That's true. But if I were to borrow a cell phone then I'd be up for it in
> case I got stranded. I really do want to drive through and see what it's
> like. Someday hopefully.

sometimes, cell phones are out of range in that area.....

> Well, if you are afraid then it's even more of an accomplishment!

not really. it doesn't really sound that great.

> The closest I ever got to anything of the sort was when I was in chorus in
> grade school. Hehhe pitiful.

that was probably the last time i really sang like that.

> Because you want more than you're getting. It doesn't mean you haven't
> accomplished anything though.

*sigh*

"you say to-may-to
i say to-mah-to"

> I was going to mention that too but I didn't want to remind myself of how
> damn unlucky I am.

> I'm glad I'm not the only one. I guess I'm going through that stage now.
> I'm having fun. Maybe tomorrow I'll go and look at lamps. heh.

well, i was out today trying to find stuff to repair my dishwasher with. it was making some noise and now its leaking water. the store i went to didn't carry internal parts, so i suppose i'll just have to call the damn repair people and have them charge about $100 to replace a bit that probably doesn't cost that much.

> I'm cooking quite a bit lately. A regular Betty Crocker. I remember a time
> when I used to tell my friends I couldn't find my way around a kitchen to
> save my life and now I'm bringing them veggie lasagna and pots of chili.

i was doing the dessert bit for a while, but i got tired of it.

> You and me both! I have a bunch of those green boxes in my freezer. Their
> chik (sp?) patties are pretty good too.

i don't like those as much. they're OK, but i like the spiciness of the other.

ughhh. speaking of food, i've been eating the wrong things the past couple of days. i don't feel so well!

> I have a hard time committing to tables. They seem like such big purchases
> to me even if they're just end tables. If you change your mind about it or
> get sick of them what the heck do you do with a bunch of tables. I break
> out into a sweat at the thought of purchasing a couch.

no, a decorative table are those little plywood ones that you but a table cloth over and are sturdy enough to maybe put a plant on it.

> That's cool that you're making a bridesmaid dress. Who's getting married?
> Your sister yeah? I think you may have mentioned it or maybe it was when I
> read your journal postings. So everyone is wearing a different bridesmaid
> dress? I always remember them all having to match (at least in style) and
> being really horrific. I was a bridesmaid awhile back. The dress was just
> the silliest thing you could ever imagine.

we've all got the same pattern and the material was bought in bulk so it should all match, and the design is very simple and not ornate so even if there were differences, you couldn't really tell.

the dresses aren't too scary. i wore one once to my cousin's wedding that looked more like a form fitting middle-aged woman dress. it wasn't too bad, actually. it's just something that you don't have any other use for. like this dress i'm making. it's a one time only deal.

> I haven't been to a wedding in ages. I remember the last one I attended
> when the bouquet was thrown it came right at me and I ducked like it was
> an axe.

when i was about 10, i thought they were cool. but as i get older and see all of the unnecessary crap and expenditure you have to go through to have a "proper" wedding, i would probably just run off if i ever was to get married.

> I'm into short weekend trips, nothing extensive. Not that I'm not into
> extensive ones but these little weekend trips suit me well.

there is nothing within that sort of distance that i want to see here where i live at.

> Now that would be nice. I would love to visit Spain. Just one of many
> places I'd love to go. Plus air fares are so cheap now that it's so
> tempting.

i'd want to go to Italy, but only if i had someone to go with. Ireland would be on that list somewhere.

> I wouldn't wear a feather boa either nomatter what my age. I wouldn't want
> to draw that much attention to myself. Plus I'd just feel ridiculous. I'm
> looking forward to the show, the only thing is I wish I had better seats!

heh. most of the time i'm just happy i got in the door. so, even if i'm sitting behind a gigantic pillar up in the balcony, i'll deal with it. i figure that if i was closer, i would be stuck behind some tall people and couldn't see what was going on anyway.

> sometimes, cell phones are out of range in that area.....

Really? Well, I guess I'd have to risk it. Of course my car would probably break down and they'd find me dead and dehydrated at the side of the road.
But at least I'd have seen the desert.

> "you say to-may-to
> i say to-mah-to"

to-may-to to-mah-to, let's call the whole thing off.

> well, i was out today trying to find stuff to repair my dishwasher with.

I want a dishwasher damnit. No actually I NEED a dishwasher.

> it was making some noise and now its leaking water. the store i went to
> didn't carry internal parts, so i suppose i'll just have to call the damn
> repair people and have them charge about $100 to replace a bit that
> probably doesn't cost that much.

You probably have a hole in one of the water hoses. Yeah you're right, you'll probably have to shell out over $100.00 for a part that costs 25 cents. Bastards.

> i don't like those as much. they're OK, but i like the spiciness of the
> other.

How spicy are the Buffalo wings? There's also these things called riblets
(not sure if morningstar makes them tho) and they're pretty good too.

> ughhh. speaking of food, i've been eating the wrong things the past couple
> of days. i don't feel so well!

Whatcha been eating?

> no, a decorative table are those little plywood ones that you but a table
> cloth over and are sturdy enough to maybe put a plant on it.

Oh those things! My Mom used to have one of those. Hers was cardboard though.

> we've all got the same pattern and the material was bought in bulk so it
> should all match, and the design is very simple and not ornate so even if
> there were differences, you couldn't really tell.

So wait, are you making all of the dresses or just yours?

> the dresses aren't too scary. i wore one once to my cousin's wedding that
> looked more like a form fitting middle-aged woman dress. it wasn't too
> bad, actually. it's just something that you don't have any other use for.
> like this dress i'm making. it's a one time only deal.

All those dresses are one time deals. They just shout BRIDESMAID!

> when i was about 10, i thought they were cool. but as i get older and see
> all of the unnecessary crap and expenditure you have to go through to have
> a "proper" wedding, i would probably just run off if i ever was
> to get married.

Me too. I could never deal with the stress of a wedding. All those people looking at me, all the expectation. I hate that kind of stuff. Plus I just can't get into the formality of it. And they're so expensive, I'd rather save the money and use it for a trip to Europe.

> i'd want to go to Italy, but only if i had someone to go with. Ireland
> would be on that list somewhere.

Oh Ireland, I desperately want to go there! I took a book out of the library on gothic architecture and they have the most stunning churches and bridges in Ireland. Some built in the 1500's, amazing. I'm not a religious person but there is just something about an ancient gothic style church out in the middle of nowhere that fascinates me.

> heh. most of the time i'm just happy i got in the door. so, even if i'm
> sitting behind a gigantic pillar up in the balcony, i'll deal with it. i
> figure that if i was closer, i would be stuck behind some tall people and
> couldn't see what was going on anyway.

You've actually made me feel a little better. I kind of wish it wasn't a seated venue but I guess it's not a big deal. It only seats 1,500 people so that's not too big. Maybe I'll be able to see fine. Someone posted the set list from the Boston show on the messageboard. They said Rufus was real chatty. It should be fun.

Oh - I keep forgetting to mention, I found this great Rufus site on the web the other night. They have a bunch of interviews up. Go here:

http://www.geocities.com/dresdenia/

and click on "The Man" and the interviews are there. I spent an hour or so reading them one night. Not a bad way to spend an evening.

> Really? Well, I guess I'd have to risk it. Of course my car would probably
> break down and they'd find me dead and dehydrated at the side of the road.
> But at least I'd have seen the desert.

so, based on that model, i can now die.....

> to-may-to to-mah-to, let's call the whole thing off.

> I want a dishwasher damnit. No actually I NEED a dishwasher.

yes, they're very nice....if they work properly.

it wasn't that great of a dishwasher to begin with, but i don't exactly feel like running out and buying a new one either. however, if its the motor, i will.

> You probably have a hole in one of the water hoses. Yeah you're right,
> you'll probably have to shell out over $100.00 for a part that costs 25
> cents. Bastards.

actually, a little website diagnostic is pointing it in the direction of a water intake jet...or something like that.

> How spicy are the Buffalo wings? There's also these things called riblets
> (not sure if morningstar makes them tho) and they're pretty good too.

i've never seen those!

> Whatcha been eating?

oh...pizza pie.

some ad agency ordered us a deep dish pizza from this place to say "sorry that we're buttholes all year long. here's a pizza that compensates for your annoyance."

great tasting, but i couldn't really eat anything the rest of the day. and then, today, we went to this brazillian/tex mex place. had a gigantic tasty burrito, which i should not have even gone and eaten coz i still wasn't feeling good, but oh well. i really didn't want to hide in the house.

> Oh those things! My Mom used to have one of those. Hers was cardboard
> though.

they make them a bit sturdier now. it's almost cardboard.

> So wait, are you making all of the dresses or just yours?

no, just mine.

> All those dresses are one time deals. They just shout BRIDESMAID!

these could be worn to formal functions. especially if you made the right kind of skirt to go with it. but, i'm not classy so that's it for me.

> Me too. I could never deal with the stress of a wedding. All those people
> looking at me, all the expectation. I hate that kind of stuff. Plus I just
> can't get into the formality of it. And they're so expensive, I'd rather
> save the money and use it for a trip to Europe.

yeah, that's a better solution. Forget feeding a bunch of people that are showing up because they don't want to be rude. i'd have some real fun!

> Oh Ireland, I desperately want to go there! I took a book out of the
> library on gothic architecture and they have the most stunning churches
> and bridges in Ireland. Some built in the 1500's, amazing. I'm not a
> religious person but there is just something about an ancient gothic style
> church out in the middle of nowhere that fascinates me.

everyone says that the irish are really nice. however, they also say the french are incredibly rude and when i went to france, they were very nice to me.

i had bumped into some of the guys from the band Sack at SXSW a couple of years ago, and i managed to offend one of them, so i'm guessing that i'd probably be the lone american that actually gets treated hostilly by the irish.

> You've actually made me feel a little better. I kind of wish it wasn't a
> seated venue but I guess it's not a big deal. It only seats 1,500 people
> so that's not too big. Maybe I'll be able to see fine. Someone posted the
> set list from the Boston show on the messageboard. They said Rufus was
> real chatty. It should be fun.

i haven't found the interest to read his show reviews so far. i can't really say why.

> Oh - I keep forgetting to mention, I found this great Rufus site on the
> web the other night. They have a bunch of interviews up. Go here:

> http://www.geocities.com/dresdenia/ and click on "The Man" and
> the interviews are there. I spent an hour or so reading them one night.
> Not a bad way to spend an evening.

ah...

but not for reading tonight, though. i'm seeing jonathan richman. plus, the orange mothers are opening for him and i've been wanting to see them for quite a while.

oh and speaking of baking, i thought i would just go ahead and transcribe that chocolate cake i was talking about:

Yellow Butter Cake with Fudge Frosting:

Cake:

4 tablespoons butter
1/2 cup vegetable oil
1 1/2 cups sugar
6 large egg yolks
1 tablespoon vanilla
3 cups cake flour
1 tablespoon baking powder
1 teaspoon salt
1 cut half and half

frosting:

1 1/2 pounds semi sweet chocolate chopped
2 cups heavy cream
8 tablespoons butter
1/2 half cup sugar
2 teaspoons vanilla

basically, you mix all of the butter, oil, and sugar. add in egg yolks, and then add in vanilla.

whisk all dry ingrediants, then add to butter mixture alternating with half and half.

bake in two pans at 350 degrees for 30-35 minutes

frosting:

put chocolate in heatproof bowl.

over medium heat, mix cream, butter and sugar, then pour immediately over chocolate and let stand for a couple of minutes. stir in vanilla and let cool for 30 minutes

then set the bowl in larger bowl of ice water and beat for several minutes until it turns lighter in color.

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i had to transcribe this thing, not only because you asked, but the thing is, this woman keeps talking about how she makes these recipes all the time...and then you see her picture on the back cover and she looks like they had rescued her after a 2 year stint in Ethiopia.

Hail to bulemia!

> oh...pizza pie.
> some ad agency ordered us a deep dish pizza from this place to say
> "sorry that we're buttholes all year long. here's a pizza that
> compensates for your annoyance."

Free? Hmm... how suspicious.

> these could be worn to formal functions. especially if you made the right
> kind of skirt to go with it. but, i'm not classy so that's it for me.

I don't really know if it's possible to make a bridesmaid dress look classy nomatter what kind of alterations are made.

> yeah, that's a better solution. Forget feeding a bunch of people that are
> showing up because they don't want to be rude. i'd have some real fun!

Exactly!

I really can't get my head around the whole wedding thing. All that money and for what? Can't people have a little party and invite their friends and relatives, why must everyone go way out for it and spend all that money?
And all that stress.

Women especially take weddings really seriously. I saw a show once about women who re-live their wedding day over and over and get really depressed that it's over. They even put the dress on from time to time. Very strange.

> i had bumped into some of the guys from the band Sack at SXSW a couple of
> years ago, and i managed to offend one of them, so i'm guessing that i'd
> probably be the lone american that actually gets treated hostilly by the
> irish.

What did you say to offend him?

> but not for reading tonight, though. i'm seeing jonathan richman. plus,
> the orange mothers are opening for him and i've been wanting to see them
> for quite a while.

How was Jonathan Richman? Oh and how was Loudon??

I saw Rufus Sunday and it was incredible. He played for almost two hours and came back for 2 encores. A real dramatic type personality, he's incredibly flamboyant. Much more than I imagined he would be. I'd love to have him for a friend hehe.

He came on with his hair up in a ponytail and started with Grey Gardens, the rest is a blur but he played everything off Poses except Shadows which was fine by me as it's my least favorite song on the cd. He played 3 songs off the first cd (I think it was 3) Also, Hallelujah, De Complainte De La Butte (which was amazing) Leaving For Paris and Nuit De Miami with his sister.

He drank red wine the entire time getting a bit drunk. I noticed on the message board people were very peeved about it and they said it really affected his performance. I think they're exaggerating a little bit. They're pretty much declaring him an alchoholic on there and saying he needs help - "keep Rufus in your prayers!" etc etc.

Maybe I'm crazy but personally I didn't think it was that big of a deal. Either that or I've lived a much smuttier life than they have.

I think some of his young fans are disturbed when they find out he's not the angel they think he is. They're very naive on that message board. We know he's into alcohol and drugs, it's not much of a surprise.

Anyway, during Evil Angel he started going a little nuts and everything got dramatic and he took his hair out of the ponytail and started flinging his head around. For a brief moment I thought I was at a Whitesnake concert. After the song he sat down at the piano and said "for a minute there I thought I was in an clairol herbal essense commercial"

All in all it was an amazing night. I wish I could see him again on this tour. He's pretty damn charming, at least he charmed me pretty good. Also, the audience wasn't a bunch of young girls at all. It was more like people in their 20's and 30's, some young girls and a few people with gray hair. There was even a few 70 year olds.

> oh and speaking of baking, i thought i would just go ahead and transcribe
> that chocolate cake i was talking about:
> Yellow Butter Cake with Fudge Frosting:

Is this the Mozcake? heh. Thanks for posting that, I think I'll give it a go sometime. Funny though because when I was looking at the ingredients it didn't seem too too calorie laden. Well....maybe it is.. heh.

> Free? Hmm... how suspicious.

it's typical.

> I don't really know if it's possible to make a bridesmaid dress look
> classy nomatter what kind of alterations are made.

these almost look like prom dresses.

> Exactly!

> I really can't get my head around the whole wedding thing. All that money
> and for what? Can't people have a little party and invite their friends
> and relatives, why must everyone go way out for it and spend all that
> money?
> And all that stress.

the funny thing is that i read in the paper and it says that 9 out of 10 of us will get married in our lifetimes. and of course, every one of them is dying to make their's special, so no wonder why its the industry that it is.

> Women especially take weddings really seriously. I saw a show once about
> women who re-live their wedding day over and over and get really depressed
> that it's over. They even put the dress on from time to time. Very
> strange.

i kinda understand that. they were probably hoping to carry over the glamour and attention into their normal lives, like a fairy tale, and now their moment in the sun is over and they are just your average housewife running around after screaming kids who are putting chocolate hand prints all over the wall.

> What did you say to offend him?

heh. that's a funny story.

Ok, so i had met him earlier that day coz i was running the sound board for a demo session. struggling artists would take their stuff in and hope to get feedback from producers and venue owners of what they could do differently (but they mainly hope someone in the room will hear and give them a big fat contract), so he was sorta trying to be friendly.

anyhow, i went to see the live music acts that night, and there was this swedish band, and one of the guys on stage was wearing a sarrong. he wasn't going in full drag or anything. and i made a note of it because a friend of mine and i had gone to a bar a few weeks before and there was a rugby player running around in a sarrong (even though he was lifting the backside of it up, showing off his butt and walking around backwards), so i was trying to figure out if this was a new trend for guys.

so, after the show, i went to see Man...or astroman? and bumped into the guy from Sack again. yes, of all places. so, he was asking about the band, and he said, "were there any females there?" and i said, "nope, just a guy in a sarrong."

i thought i had made a funny, but he got very quiet and he was all "it takes a real man to wear that sort of thing, don't you agree?" and i didn't know what to say because i wasn't calling the guy a sissy or anything. and he quit talking to me after that.

but i didn't mean it in the horrible way that he was thinking, but that's where the problem lies within. i get the feeling with them that there is a lot more that is implied than what is said, so you know what a potential course for disaster that is.

either that or this guy was just very sensitive.

> How was Jonathan Richman? Oh and how was Loudon??

jonathan was fine. Loudon is something everyone needs to go see. i couldn't really see his foot stomp, even though i had decent seats, but there were plenty of goofy faces for all.

and he also did a first. he had invited Shawn Colvin to sing a couple of songs with him on stage, and when he came out for his encore, he invited her up there to let her sing a song she did for some broadway special on Bravo by herself. so,yes, i've never seen an artist come out and let someone else do an encore for them. he did sing a couple of songs during the encore, so it wasn't just her.

and he was on. i got to see him in his second show that night, so i suppose he was warmed up. either that, or he's so used to it he's always on.

> I saw Rufus Sunday and it was incredible. He played for almost two hours
> and came back for 2 encores. A real dramatic type personality, he's
> incredibly flamboyant. Much more than I imagined he would be. I'd love to
> have him for a friend hehe.

> He came on with his hair up in a ponytail and started with Grey Gardens,
> the rest is a blur but he played everything off Poses except Shadows which
> was fine by me as it's my least favorite song on the cd. He played 3 songs
> off the first cd (I think it was 3) Also, Hallelujah, De Complainte De La
> Butte (which was amazing) Leaving For Paris and Nuit De Miami with his
> sister.

how did he make 2 hours out of that?

> He drank red wine the entire time getting a bit drunk. I noticed on the
> message board people were very peeved about it and they said it really
> affected his performance. I think they're exaggerating a little bit.
> They're pretty much declaring him an alchoholic on there and saying he
> needs help - "keep Rufus in your prayers!" etc etc.

where are you reading this stuff? how do i miss it?

but screw those people. everyone brings booze up on stage. plus, he's also part french canadian. they drink stuff like that quite a bit.

i'm hoping he will come through. after all, i noticed he did add a couple of dates in mid-march, so who knows if that will be the end or if he decides to add more.

Loudon was introduced as "rufus' dad" and you could see Loudon grinning from ear to ear like "yep! i'm his dad!"

> Maybe I'm crazy but personally I didn't think it was that big of a deal.
> Either that or I've lived a much smuttier life than they have.

damn southern baptists.

> I think some of his young fans are disturbed when they find out he's not
> the angel they think he is. They're very naive on that message board. We
> know he's into alcohol and drugs, it's not much of a surprise.

well, what do you expect? if they are 14, they think that all the adults who are in that "role model" position do the "just say no!" bull.

> Anyway, during Evil Angel he started going a little nuts and everything
> got dramatic and he took his hair out of the ponytail and started flinging
> his head around. For a brief moment I thought I was at a Whitesnake
> concert. After the song he sat down at the piano and said "for a
> minute there I thought I was in an clairol herbal essense commercial"

heh. how long has his hair gotten?

> All in all it was an amazing night. I wish I could see him again on this
> tour. He's pretty damn charming, at least he charmed me pretty good. Also,
> the audience wasn't a bunch of young girls at all. It was more like people
> in their 20's and 30's, some young girls and a few people with gray hair.
> There was even a few 70 year olds.

yes, those are the people who thought they were seeing Loudon.

you have to wonder how often that happens. people turning up and saying, "who is this young guy?"

i know this coz i mentioned loudon's appearance to a friend and she was all "yeah! i wanna go coz he's got cool stuff!" and then i thought about it for a minute because something just didn't seem right, and then, i said, "no, you are thinking of his son Rufus!" and she was all "oh!"

she hadn't heard anything by Loudon that i know of.

i tried to get another person to go last night. she wanted to, but only for the early show, which of course they had sold out of as no attempt was made to get tickets for that show on our parts. so, i still ended up going by myself.

> Is this the Mozcake? heh. Thanks for posting that, I think I'll give it a
> go sometime. Funny though because when I was looking at the ingredients it
> didn't seem too too calorie laden. Well....maybe it is.. heh.

a pound and a half of chocolate? is that breakfast for you?

i figure someone might as well try it. i don't have time to make that stuff these days. as even tonight, i've got church choir, and i need to take a while to find the damn part to my dishwasher. i think i've successfully diagnosed the problem, and they said on some website it can be replaced by anyone with simple household tools, so i'm thinking of all the money i've saved by research. of course, the wimpy people are like "buy a new dishwasher!" or "call a repairman!" and i'm thinking "look, i've hung wallpaper by myself. if i can't use a damn screw driver to pop a part that is on the side of the dishwasher off and screw on a new one, then i must be in bad shape."

> the funny thing is that i read in the paper and it says that 9 out of 10
> of us will get married in our lifetimes. and of course, every one of them
> is dying to make their's special, so no wonder why its the industry that
> it is.

But what is special? Wearing a white dress, having little cards made up with gold embossing and having your hubby stuff a piece of cake down your throat?

Let's see only a billion other people have done the exact same thing. I think people should get a little more creative with it. I guess I'm just not big on tradition, I think people should make their own traditions.

> i kinda understand that. they were probably hoping to carry over the
> glamour and attention into their normal lives, like a fairy tale, and now
> their moment in the sun is over and they are just your average housewife
> running around after screaming kids who are putting chocolate hand prints
> all over the wall.

I really don't understand it. In fact I think it's a bit insane. If these women are sitting around on a Sunday afternoon trying on their wedding dresses it's no wonder so many marriages fail. There's this big build up and then fantasy comes face to face with reality and bam.

> either that or this guy was just very sensitive.

Um I'd say he was!

> how did he make 2 hours out of that?

It was actually 75 minutes but close enough

> where are you reading this stuff? how do i miss it?

It's on the thread titled "Rufus dangerously drunk in Toronto" I really think these people see him as some angelic prodigy who reads Blake and sits around playing the piano all day. Can they be this sheltered?

Of course these are the same people who after his appearance on Jay Leno were saying "oh no, did you see our poor Rufus? I'm worried, is he okay? He looked terrible and messed up some of the words please someone help him before he ends up dead in a gutter"

Speaking of Rufus, I was in the store the other day looking at DVD's and came
across a DVD with a 15 minute Rufus clip on it. It's a 2 hour DVD, but Rufus's clip is the only one I was interested in so I dutifully plunked down the $14.00 for it. Well, this clip is awesome. He basically talks about Poses and sings two songs at the piano. A great part was he shows off his studio which is this incredibly cool place.

It looks almost like it's underground. All cement walls, with tons of ivy growing everywhere. Also, lots of graffiti, drawings and scribblings and strangely decorated lamps. I was fascinated with it. Very bohemian and artsy. When he walks in he says "yeah it's like fraggle rock". He also does an amazing version of Cigarettes and Chocolate Milk" with the band. Imo I thought it was better than the album version, the piano is more pronounced.

> Loudon was introduced as "rufus' dad" and you could see Loudon
> grinning from ear to ear like "yep! i'm his dad!"

Did he? That's so cute.

> damn southern baptists.

lol. Damn right.

> heh. how long has his hair gotten?

It's shoulder length maybe a tiny bit longer than on Leno. He looked pretty damn cute with that ponytail too I went with a male friend and he got a bit of a kick out of how flamboyantly gay Rufus was. Of course I already knew this

Someone on the message board said they thought his "flamboyant gayness" actually brought the show down and ruined it a bit. They said it made it seem more trite. That rather disgusted me. Between that and what they said about his drinking the red wine I'm thinking his fans are pretty judgmental.

> she hadn't heard anything by Loudon that i know of.

Everytime I mention Loudon to someone they say the same thing. Is he the guy
who sang the dead skunk song? I did get a different reply recently though.
I mentioned him to my friend and she goes "oh he's the guy who sang "Grandma
got run over by a reindeer" I was baffled by it. Is he the guy who sang that?
He's not is he?

> a pound and a half of chocolate? is that breakfast for you?

No lunch - hehe.

> i figure someone might as well try it. i don't have time to make that
> stuff these days. as even tonight, i've got church choir, and i need to
> take a while to find the damn part to my dishwasher. i think i've
> successfully diagnosed the problem, and they said on some website it can
> be replaced by anyone with simple household tools, so i'm thinking of all
> the money i've saved by research.

So did you fix it? I fixed a toilet once by looking online. Went out and bought the parts and it works like a charm. I was telling people for weeks I fixed the toilet myself, I fixed the toilet myself.

>of course, the wimpy people are like
> "buy a new dishwasher!" or "call a repairman!" and i'm
> thinking "look, i've hung wallpaper by myself.

If you've hung wallpaper I'd say you're definitely qualified to fix the dishwasher! The thought of hanging wallpaper makes me cringe.

> But what is special? Wearing a white dress, having little cards made up
> with gold embossing and having your hubby stuff a piece of cake down your
> throat?

> Let's see only a billion other people have done the exact same thing. I
> think people should get a little more creative with it. I guess I'm just
> not big on tradition, I think people should make their own traditions.

not everyone does it. some people bungee jump.

but i also think that people put all of the effort into the first wedding. second time around, they figure it out.

> I really don't understand it. In fact I think it's a bit insane. If these
> women are sitting around on a Sunday afternoon trying on their wedding
> dresses it's no wonder so many marriages fail. There's this big build up
> and then fantasy comes face to face with reality and bam.

maybe that's part of it. i think that there are some people who just want to get married and then, after they have them, they start thinking "oh, wait...what in the hell did i marry?"

> Um I'd say he was!

> It was actually 75 minutes but close enough

hour and fifteen?

> It's on the thread titled "Rufus dangerously drunk in Toronto" I
> really think these people see him as some angelic prodigy who reads Blake
> and sits around playing the piano all day. Can they be this sheltered?

maybe they should have been shuttled off to see Belle and Sebastian. not to put B&S down, but they have a very poker faced studious tone to them.

ah, but i'm tired. i've been seeing and doing music stuff all week long.

tonight, i got to see a fiddle player by the name of Eilene Ivers who played with Riverdance and so forth. i got tickets because they gave some free ones where i work at. it was a nice show. but it was slightly marred. i think they need to replace the vocalist. it's like, technically, he has a good voice, but it's incredibly generic. i know he's not the star of the band by any means, but still...

the best part of the show was when genero-singer was trying to get the audience into the encore and yelled "everybody now! halleluiah!"

and my co-worker yelled out "you can't! it's Lent!"

but i suppose i need to stay out of those places for a while. the inside of my right ear is spasming strangely. that cant be good.

> Of course these are the same people who after his appearance on Jay Leno
> were saying "oh no, did you see our poor Rufus? I'm worried, is he
> okay? He looked terrible and messed up some of the words please someone
> help him before he ends up dead in a gutter"

heh. actually i found that endearing. it was a nice change of pace over reading stuff like "morrissey is an old balding has-been!" which, i know some of them believe it, but then i think there are more who are sitting at home laughing themselves silly at what they consider their fine wit. which, that gets tiring.

but as we've established, Rufus' ewoks are roughly 14 years old and even if they aren't, i get this general feeling that they want to mother him. they'd probably show up with a pot of chicken soup if they could.

> Speaking of Rufus, I was in the store the other day looking at DVD's and
> came
> across a DVD with a 15 minute Rufus clip on it. It's a 2 hour DVD, but
> Rufus's clip is the only one I was interested in so I dutifully plunked
> down the $14.00 for it. Well, this clip is awesome. He basically talks
> about Poses and sings two songs at the piano. A great part was he shows
> off his studio which is this incredibly cool place.

what DVD is this?

> It looks almost like it's underground. All cement walls, with tons of ivy
> growing everywhere. Also, lots of graffiti, drawings and scribblings and
> strangely decorated lamps. I was fascinated with it. Very bohemian and
> artsy. When he walks in he says "yeah it's like fraggle rock".
> He also does an amazing version of Cigarettes and Chocolate Milk"
> with the band. Imo I thought it was better than the album version, the
> piano is more pronounced.

he's such a hippie!

they always make decisions i don't get.

like with the Strokes. i have the single of "modern age" and the full length LP. the single version of "last night" was better than the album version coz it had organ in it!

of course they probably wanted to get rid of it for radio purposes.

> Did he? That's so cute.

yes, you can tell he's the proud dad.

> lol. Damn right.

> It's shoulder length maybe a tiny bit longer than on Leno. He looked
> pretty damn cute with that ponytail too I went with a male friend and
> he got a bit of a kick out of how flamboyantly gay Rufus was. Of course I
> already knew this

> Someone on the message board said they thought his "flamboyant
> gayness" actually brought the show down and ruined it a bit. They
> said it made it seem more trite. That rather disgusted me. Between that
> and what they said about his drinking the red wine I'm thinking his fans
> are pretty judgmental.

what? and where are you saying this? here on the moz-solo board? pah!

it's part of the territory of being an anyone. people are going to have complaints and wishes. and you either press on regardless, or you implode trying to do what everyone wants you to do.

but some gay men are like that. they like that act. and i think Rufus likes being like Buddy Guy (or whatever Scott Thompsons' character was in Kids in the Hall) where he sits around with a glass of champagne and acts catty and witty.

> Everytime I mention Loudon to someone they say the same thing. Is he the
> guy
> who sang the dead skunk song? I did get a different reply recently though.
> I mentioned him to my friend and she goes "oh he's the guy who sang
> "Grandma
> got run over by a reindeer" I was baffled by it. Is he the guy who
> sang that?
> He's not is he?

he did sing the skunk song, but he didn't sing the reindeer song. that honor goes to someone with a more hillbilly twang and whose name i can't remember.

i don't like talking about bands with most people. they always go "who?" and then you try to explain, but they don't care coz they've never heard of it, so you;re forced to drop it or deal with a bored audience who is tuning you out and going "mmmhmmm"

> No lunch - hehe.

> So did you fix it? I fixed a toilet once by looking online. Went out and
> bought the parts and it works like a charm. I was telling people for weeks
> I fixed the toilet myself, I fixed the toilet myself.

i haven't had time! i have to go to a real plumbing and appliance parts store and they are never open when you need them to be. if they were like my neighborhood home depot and open 24 hours a day, then, we'll talk.

> If you've hung wallpaper I'd say you're definitely qualified to fix the
> dishwasher! The thought of hanging wallpaper makes me cringe.

it's not too bad. compared to removing it that is. the morons who hung up the original stuff glued it directly to the sheetrock. i had a bastard of a time removing it.

oh well. i think it's time for bed. i can't believe it's only wednesday!

> not everyone does it. some people bungee jump.

Oh but surely they are in the minority! Besides I was only talking about the traditional people :P

> maybe that's part of it. i think that there are some people who just want
> to get married and then, after they have them, they start thinking
> "oh, wait...what in the hell did i marry?"

They usually do that after they have kids. They always make sure to have a couple of kids first.

> hour and fifteen?

Well, in the review they said 75 minutes (yes yes hour and fifteen) but I honestly think he played for more like 100 minutes. I could swear it was because I looked at my watch. I think they're wrong.

> maybe they should have been shuttled off to see Belle and Sebastian. not
> to put B&S down, but they have a very poker faced studious tone to them.

I've never been lucky enough to see them live, I'm a big fan.
I can see them being like that though. Well, actually I do have a couple bootleg videos of them live and they were poker faced yeah.

Do you know when their next album is due?

> tonight, i got to see a fiddle player by the name of Eilene Ivers who
> played with Riverdance and so forth. i got tickets because they gave some
> free ones where i work at. it was a nice show. but it was slightly marred.
> i think they need to replace the vocalist. it's like, technically, he has
> a good voice, but it's incredibly generic. i know he's not the star of the
> band by any means, but still...

Riverdance? I wonder if I'm thinking of the right thing. They used to show the commercial for it all the time. Those dancing people kicking their feet??

> heh. actually i found that endearing.

Really? I guess that would be the first impression but after they go on and on about it it becomes incredibly smothering and over the top, at least to me.

>it was a nice change of pace over
> reading stuff like "morrissey is an old balding has-been!"

Well if you put it that way I suppose but, well, wait, I'm not sure I see the comparison? Well, maybe, ok I guess so.

> which, i know some of them believe it, but then i think there are more who
> are sitting at home laughing themselves silly at what they consider their
> fine wit. which, that gets tiring.

Yeah it does and I see that a lot on there.

> but as we've established, Rufus' ewoks are roughly 14 years old and even
> if they aren't, i get this general feeling that they want to mother him.
> they'd probably show up with a pot of chicken soup if they could.

Oh absolutely. And why do I find that annoying.

> what DVD is this?

It's called Circuit 9.

> he's such a hippie!

I love hippie stuff, probably why I became so fascinated with his studio.

> like with the Strokes. i have the single of "modern age" and the
> full length LP. the single version of "last night" was better
> than the album version coz it had organ in it!

I have the cd single but not the album. I kind of wore out the
single and got bored. How is the album?

> what? and where are you saying this? here on the moz-solo board? pah!

Oh yeah that's right we're on the morrissey board. Sometimes when I'm chatting away I forget. But yes Morrissey fans are even more judgmental than Rufus fans.
Bless their sweet little souls.

> but some gay men are like that. they like that act.

Yes and that is very much Rufus. Like on the Circuit 9 DVD he was talking about this club Beige he used to go to and how "faggy" (his word) it is and you could tell he loves talking about it. It's his world. I find it refreshing though.

>and i think Rufus
> likes being like Buddy Guy (or whatever Scott Thompsons' character was in
> Kids in the Hall) where he sits around with a glass of champagne and acts
> catty and witty.

Definitely! And if you see him live it's 10 times more exaggerated than you could even imagine.

> he did sing the skunk song, but he didn't sing the reindeer song. that
> honor goes to someone with a more hillbilly twang and whose name i can't
> remember.

Yes, that is what I thought. Did he do a cover of it though? My friend insists he sang it.

> i don't like talking about bands with most people. they always go
> "who?" and then you try to explain, but they don't care coz
> they've never heard of it, so you;re forced to drop it or deal with a
> bored audience who is tuning you out and going "mmmhmmm"

Ok see I love talking about bands with people. I always feel like they are missing out and I must convince them of this persons greatness. I'm sure it's very annoying too. I'm only trying to help though

> i haven't had time! i have to go to a real plumbing and appliance parts
> store and they are never open when you need them to be. if they were like
> my neighborhood home depot and open 24 hours a day, then, we'll talk.

Your home depot is open 24 hours? That's pretty nice.

> it's not too bad. compared to removing it that is. the morons who hung up
> the original stuff glued it directly to the sheetrock. i had a bastard of
> a time removing it.

What are you supposed to glue it to? And how the hell do you get it straight when you hang it? It seems a major feat to me. Maybe I'll give it a go sometime. Then again I'm always afraid I'll get sick to death of the pattern. Painting just seems easier.

> oh well. i think it's time for bed. i can't believe it's only wednesday!

Me neither.

> Oh but surely they are in the minority! Besides I was only talking about
> the traditional people :P

> They usually do that after they have kids. They always make sure to have a
> couple of kids first.

that's probably what they wanted anyway.

> Well, in the review they said 75 minutes (yes yes hour and fifteen) but I
> honestly think he played for more like 100 minutes. I could swear it was
> because I looked at my watch. I think they're wrong.

just because the review said it doesn't mean that it happened like that!

> I've never been lucky enough to see them live, I'm a big fan.
> I can see them being like that though. Well, actually I do have a couple
> bootleg videos of them live and they were poker faced yeah.

i saw them in boston back in '98. it was a strange gig. everyone in the audience was definitely a bunch of hippie kids, but they were as silent as if they were watching a play production.

> Do you know when their next album is due?

i really don't know. i bought a single back in december and it had some OK stuff, but i don't think they've released anything on an LP since "fold your hands..." which that was in '99 wasn't it?

> Riverdance? I wonder if I'm thinking of the right thing. They used to show
> the commercial for it all the time. Those dancing people kicking their
> feet??

yes. she played fiddle for that.

> Really? I guess that would be the first impression but after they go on
> and on about it it becomes incredibly smothering and over the top, at
> least to me.

> Well if you put it that way I suppose but, well, wait, I'm not sure I see
> the comparison? Well, maybe, ok I guess so.

the comparison is the atmosphere and how the fans regard the object of their affection. true, i hadn't been reading that much of it lately coz i am a busy person you know.

i was thinking of staying in because i'm tired, but i remembered it was valentine's day and there is usually someone i know who is having a reject's night out so i have to go to that.

> Yeah it does and I see that a lot on there.

> Oh absolutely. And why do I find that annoying.

> It's called Circuit 9.

> I love hippie stuff, probably why I became so fascinated with his studio.

i wish i could have somewhere to trash. no garage or anything. maybe suburbia has ruined my thinking.

> I have the cd single but not the album. I kind of wore out the
> single and got bored. How is the album?

it has those songs plus others. its really good. it's definitely got a cult following. i even heard it being played at Border's bookstore the other night.

> Oh yeah that's right we're on the morrissey board. Sometimes when I'm
> chatting away I forget. But yes Morrissey fans are even more judgmental
> than Rufus fans.
> Bless their sweet little souls.

ha! speaking of that, stalking, and hippies, i had a really weird dream last night that somehow david had rigged up a webcam to spy in morrissey's back yard as he and the band practices for the tour. morrissey was playing drums last night and Alain was playing in his underwear. and there was a blond violin player that was doing the Godiva thing of being nude, but covered by incredibly long hair.

> Yes and that is very much Rufus. Like on the Circuit 9 DVD he was talking
> about this club Beige he used to go to and how "faggy" (his
> word) it is and you could tell he loves talking about it. It's his world.
> I find it refreshing though.

> Definitely! And if you see him live it's 10 times more exaggerated than
> you could even imagine.

oh i doubt that. i know some guys who really play it up.

> Yes, that is what I thought. Did he do a cover of it though? My friend
> insists he sang it.

maybe your friend is on crack. :^)

you know, the thing is that i can't honestly say because Loudon's been around for so many years and has played so many shows and released so many albums that i can't act like i'm the know-it-all.

however, i know for certain he didn't write or perform the original version.

> Ok see I love talking about bands with people. I always feel like they are
> missing out and I must convince them of this persons greatness. I'm sure
> it's very annoying too. I'm only trying to help though

it never works until they come back a while later and say "i heard...."

but i gave up. i tried telling people how cool moz is, and my family listened and they have deemed it "that weird music that you listen to". which, i'm thinking "ok, so the stuff you listen to isnt?" but you know how that goes.

and after that point, i'm just like "FINE. just because you've never heard of him before doesn't make him weird."

and so, since i'm tired of people in general being insulting like that, i don't bother with them. it's not just moz they do it with. they call belle and sebastian strange, and i'm thinking they are smoking something because they sound just like Nick Drake and all of the 60's folk that they probably had some acquaintance with.

> Your home depot is open 24 hours? That's pretty nice.

the one near me is, but i don't think they carry dishwasher parts. at least the Lowe's i went to didn't.

so, yes, if i ever wanted to start painting at 1AM....

i just want to do it for the hell of it. i go shopping for groceries sometimes at 2AM. i might as well run in and get spackle for no good reason.

> What are you supposed to glue it to? And how the hell do you get it
> straight when you hang it? It seems a major feat to me. Maybe I'll give it
> a go sometime. Then again I'm always afraid I'll get sick to death of the
> pattern. Painting just seems easier.

you go around the room with a level (those ruler things that have the air bubble in water)and make straight lines, and most wallpaper already has adhesive on the back, but you soak it in water to moisten it.

and of course, if you have a matching pattern, you have to lay the paper up against the next (before you wet it) to see where to cut it.

but i did a pretty oK job with it. you have the usual air bubbles and crap, but oh well.

and painting is easier just to let you know.

> that's probably what they wanted anyway.

Yeah exactly. Everyone seems to need at least one kid. Generally two.
It's the thing to do when you reach a certain age. Seems a bit sad because mostly it comes from conditioning and the whole biological clock thing rather than real desire to have children. Maybe I'm being cynical, but it seems that way to me.

> just because the review said it doesn't mean that it happened like that!

You're damn right!

> i saw them in boston back in '98. it was a strange gig. everyone in the
> audience was definitely a bunch of hippie kids, but they were as silent as
> if they were watching a play production.

The audience for Rufus was surprisely silent also. Everyone stayed seated the entire show, even the people in the front. It surprised me a bit.
There was one girl in the front who was slouched down in her seat, snapping her gum and swaying her foot the whole time as if she was saying "come on Rufus entertain me".

> i really don't know. i bought a single back in december and it had some OK
> stuff, but i don't think they've released anything on an LP since
> "fold your hands..." which that was in '99 wasn't it?

I think it was 2000?? I was a bit disappointed in it. It's definitely the one I listen to the least. I'm curious as to what they'll come up with next.

> the comparison is the atmosphere and how the fans regard the object of
> their affection. true, i hadn't been reading that much of it lately coz i
> am a busy person you know.

I've been reading it, I'm not that busy I guess. Plus when insomnia takes hold what else do I have to do?

> i was thinking of staying in because i'm tired, but i remembered it was
> valentine's day and there is usually someone i know who is having a
> reject's night out so i have to go to that.

A rejects night out, I almost like the sound of it.

> i wish i could have somewhere to trash. no garage or anything. maybe
> suburbia has ruined my thinking.

Most likely it has. Suburbia never did anything good for anyone.

> it has those songs plus others. its really good. it's definitely got a
> cult following. i even heard it being played at Border's bookstore the
> other night.

It's good yeah? I'd pick it up but somehow I feel it would be one of those discs that will fall by the wayside quickly for me. I did really like the ep though. It was what I needed at that time maybe. Fun, energetic.

At this point I have more cd's that I don't want to keep then ones I do.
It's started to mess with my head having them around. The other day I went and put them all in the closet so I wouldn't have to look at them. They're going to the record store as soon as I get the energy to take them in.

> ha! speaking of that, stalking, and hippies, i had a really weird dream
> last night that somehow david had rigged up a webcam to spy in morrissey's
> back yard as he and the band practices for the tour. morrissey was playing
> drums last night and Alain was playing in his underwear. and there was a
> blond violin player that was doing the Godiva thing of being nude, but
> covered by incredibly long hair.

Ok this means something...hmm hmm.. What does it mean?

> maybe your friend is on crack. :^)

hehe I'd go for that except she's too straight laced. Well, not straight laced exactly but.. It would be funny if I looked into it and she was right.

> you know, the thing is that i can't honestly say because Loudon's been
> around for so many years and has played so many shows and released so many
> albums that i can't act like i'm the know-it-all.

I bet he did sing that song at some point.

> however, i know for certain he didn't write or perform the original
> version.

Oh yeah i know that too. Maybe a cover though.

> and after that point, i'm just like "FINE. just because you've never
> heard of him before doesn't make him weird."

See what you have to start doing is taking things like that as a compliment.
If someone thinks something is strange there generally must be something good about it. That's how I see it anyway.

> the one near me is, but i don't think they carry dishwasher parts. at
> least the Lowe's i went to didn't. so, yes, if i ever wanted to start >painting at 1AM....

A bit strange. Home repair for night owls.

> i just want to do it for the hell of it. i go shopping for groceries
> sometimes at 2AM. i might as well run in and get spackle for no good
> reason.

I shop late at night all the time. I do a lot of things very late actually.
I made chili the other night at 11:00 pm.

> you go around the room with a level (those ruler things that have the air
> bubble in water)and make straight lines, and most wallpaper already has
> adhesive on the back, but you soak it in water to moisten it.

Maybe not so hard then. But how easy is it to get off if you get sick of it?

> and of course, if you have a matching pattern, you have to lay the paper
> up against the next (before you wet it) to see where to cut it.

It's starting to sounds more daunting now..

> and painting is easier just to let you know.

Yes, yes as I suspected!

> Yeah exactly. Everyone seems to need at least one kid. Generally two.
> It's the thing to do when you reach a certain age. Seems a bit sad because
> mostly it comes from conditioning and the whole biological clock thing
> rather than real desire to have children. Maybe I'm being cynical, but it
> seems that way to me.

that's why the need for sex makes you stupid. that's why there are 6 billion of us running around. there are some people who genuinely like the idea of raising a child, but then, there is everyone else that needs to be tricked into it.

> You're damn right!

> The audience for Rufus was surprisely silent also. Everyone stayed seated
> the entire show, even the people in the front. It surprised me a bit.
> There was one girl in the front who was slouched down in her seat,
> snapping her gum and swaying her foot the whole time as if she was saying
> "come on Rufus entertain me".

i sometimes like shows that you sit down for. i'm sorry, but i'm lazy. but then, there are stadium rock shows that are a bit strange. you want to stand up and act interested, but you are encased by aisles of seats so you feel like an island.

> I think it was 2000?? I was a bit disappointed in it. It's definitely the
> one I listen to the least. I'm curious as to what they'll come up with
> next.

i got that one stolen out of my car. i never replaced it, even though there are some good songs on there, i can't justify it right now.

> I've been reading it, I'm not that busy I guess. Plus when insomnia takes
> hold what else do I have to do?

> A rejects night out, I almost like the sound of it.

it's necessary and a yearly tradition for myself. i'm sure that the people who go along don't like the idea of it being called that, so i guess i speak for myself.

however, nothing is going on tonight. i had thought yesterday i would try to make a special effort to go out somewhere, but after an entire week of running around, i'm OK with just sitting at home.

> Most likely it has. Suburbia never did anything good for anyone.

> It's good yeah? I'd pick it up but somehow I feel it would be one of those
> discs that will fall by the wayside quickly for me. I did really like the
> ep though. It was what I needed at that time maybe. Fun, energetic.

that's what the album is, and it's more varied in nature. has some good songs buried on there. even though its not one that i listen to on repeat, i recognize that its a good CD.

> At this point I have more cd's that I don't want to keep then ones I do.
> It's started to mess with my head having them around. The other day I went
> and put them all in the closet so I wouldn't have to look at them. They're
> going to the record store as soon as I get the energy to take them in.

i gave up. i might could take my to cheapo CD's because they take anything, but i also figure "hell, you never know."

> Ok this means something...hmm hmm.. What does it mean?

maybe that i've been hanging around here too much. it wasn't really a sensual dream. it was more like a snapshot of weird hollywood lives.

think of it. a bit of violin as i had seen just that night, a bit of the Chris/stalker debate, a bit of morrissey's supposed tour, and throw in the X-factor of "what do they do when nobody is looking?" and this is what you end up with.

> hehe I'd go for that except she's too straight laced. Well, not straight
> laced exactly but.. It would be funny if I looked into it and she was
> right.

> I bet he did sing that song at some point.

what hasn't he sung? although, its a different matter saying he actually recorded the cover of "grandma got run over by a reindeer" so that your friend could hear it and make the association.

> Oh yeah i know that too. Maybe a cover though.

> See what you have to start doing is taking things like that as a
> compliment.
> If someone thinks something is strange there generally must be something
> good about it. That's how I see it anyway.

i'm just misunderstood!

i said "it's not weird!" and mom said, "yes it is!"

because she said she heard the smiths on the radio that day, and i believe that she probably heard "how soon is now?" as i'm familiar with the station she was referring to, and i've yet to hear another cut from a smiths' album besides that one on it.

and then she asked when the Smiths were going to make a new album, and i said, "they broke up in '87!" and my sister started laughing. i mean, duh. but i suppose she had to ask as i haven't been running around saying anything about tours or albums in quite a while. and i think also she is curious as to why i've latched on like i have, and if i'm still into it.

> A bit strange. Home repair for night owls.

or for those with stopped up drains.

> I shop late at night all the time. I do a lot of things very late
> actually.
> I made chili the other night at 11:00 pm.

i made crepes at 1 AM once. that was such a waste. i wanted to take them to work, and i did, but everyone was confused because they weren't donut shaped and only a few people ate them. the people that did eat them liked them quite a bit, but that taught me not to expend effort unless its of some familiar office food shape. the more pre-packaged it is, the better.

> Maybe not so hard then. But how easy is it to get off if you get sick of
> it?

as i said, if you hang it wrongly, it's a complete nightmare. i spent days removing just a room's worth. but now that the walls are prepped correctly, it should basically come off once you put the correct chemicals on it.

> It's starting to sounds more daunting now..

but its cool if you can do it.

unfortunatley i pratically didn`t read any of these posts... but the few things i have read here showed me you are still in a great form, suzanne.

i am not being ironic here, you know.

> not everyone does it. some people bungee jump.

> but i also think that people put all of the effort into the first wedding.
> second time around, they figure it out.

> maybe that's part of it. i think that there are some people who just want
> to get married and then, after they have them, they start thinking
> "oh, wait...what in the hell did i marry?"

> hour and fifteen?

> maybe they should have been shuttled off to see Belle and Sebastian. not
> to put B&S down, but they have a very poker faced studious tone to them.

> ah, but i'm tired. i've been seeing and doing music stuff all week long.

> tonight, i got to see a fiddle player by the name of Eilene Ivers who
> played with Riverdance and so forth. i got tickets because they gave some
> free ones where i work at. it was a nice show. but it was slightly marred.
> i think they need to replace the vocalist. it's like, technically, he has
> a good voice, but it's incredibly generic. i know he's not the star of the
> band by any means, but still...

> the best part of the show was when genero-singer was trying to get the
> audience into the encore and yelled "everybody now! halleluiah!"

> and my co-worker yelled out "you can't! it's Lent!"

> but i suppose i need to stay out of those places for a while. the inside
> of my right ear is spasming strangely. that cant be good.

> heh. actually i found that endearing. it was a nice change of pace over
> reading stuff like "morrissey is an old balding has-been!"
> which, i know some of them believe it, but then i think there are more who
> are sitting at home laughing themselves silly at what they consider their
> fine wit. which, that gets tiring.

> but as we've established, Rufus' ewoks are roughly 14 years old and even
> if they aren't, i get this general feeling that they want to mother him.
> they'd probably show up with a pot of chicken soup if they could.

> what DVD is this?

> he's such a hippie!

> they always make decisions i don't get.

> like with the Strokes. i have the single of "modern age" and the
> full length LP. the single version of "last night" was better
> than the album version coz it had organ in it!

> of course they probably wanted to get rid of it for radio purposes.

> yes, you can tell he's the proud dad.

> what? and where are you saying this? here on the moz-solo board? pah!

> it's part of the territory of being an anyone. people are going to have
> complaints and wishes. and you either press on regardless, or you implode
> trying to do what everyone wants you to do.

> but some gay men are like that. they like that act. and i think Rufus
> likes being like Buddy Guy (or whatever Scott Thompsons' character was in
> Kids in the Hall) where he sits around with a glass of champagne and acts
> catty and witty.

> he did sing the skunk song, but he didn't sing the reindeer song. that
> honor goes to someone with a more hillbilly twang and whose name i can't
> remember.

> i don't like talking about bands with most people. they always go
> "who?" and then you try to explain, but they don't care coz
> they've never heard of it, so you;re forced to drop it or deal with a
> bored audience who is tuning you out and going "mmmhmmm"

> i haven't had time! i have to go to a real plumbing and appliance parts
> store and they are never open when you need them to be. if they were like
> my neighborhood home depot and open 24 hours a day, then, we'll talk.

> it's not too bad. compared to removing it that is. the morons who hung up
> the original stuff glued it directly to the sheetrock. i had a bastard of
> a time removing it.

> oh well. i think it's time for bed. i can't believe it's only wednesday!

> that's why the need for sex makes you stupid. that's why there are 6
> billion of us running around. there are some people who genuinely like the
> idea of raising a child, but then, there is everyone else that needs to be
> tricked into it.

It's amazing how little we've learned as a society.

> i sometimes like shows that you sit down for. i'm sorry, but i'm lazy. but
> then, there are stadium rock shows that are a bit strange. you want to
> stand up and act interested, but you are encased by aisles of seats so you
> feel like an island.

I'm lazy too and if I'm in the balcony there's pretty much no chance of me standing up. I guess I was just surprised that the people in the very front all stayed seated. I'm not used to that. Supposedly Rufus is doing another tour in the Spring. Something about NYC and Canada. I regret not being able to make it to the 2 NY shows because they seemed really cool from what I read.

> i gave up. i might could take my to cheapo CD's because they take
> anything, but i also figure "hell, you never know."

I wish I had a cheapo CD's near me. The place I go rejects things pretty easily and I have some serious stinkers that have been sitting around for years. Oh the shame. "oh these aren't mine, I'm bringing these in for a friend" Yeah that bad.

> maybe that i've been hanging around here too much. it wasn't really a
> sensual dream. it was more like a snapshot of weird hollywood lives.

My dreams never make a modicom of sense. It will start off fairly normal and then people who I seem to know in my dream usually start morphing into strange beings. Of course the entire time I'll know it's my mom and I'll be talking to her and suddenly she'll have a grape for a head. In the dream it's all perfectly normal though.

> and then she asked when the Smiths were going to make a new album, and i
> said, "they broke up in '87!"

All mothers do that don't they? I don't think my Mother actually understands the difference between The Smiths and Morrissey recording solo. Well she understands when I tell her but then she'll forget. She's loves Morrissey though. She can even sing along to quite a few of the songs. Have you ever seen a 73 year old woman sing along to "There is A Light That Never Goes Out"? It's pretty damn funny. Oh and she loves Rufus too.

> i made crepes at 1 AM once. that was such a waste. i wanted to take them
> to work,

You made them to take to work? Geez that's pretty nice. I don't think I could ever be so inspired to do something like that. Did they name you employee of the month or anything?

> as i said, if you hang it wrongly, it's a complete nightmare. i spent days
> removing just a room's worth. but now that the walls are prepped
> correctly, it should basically come off once you put the correct chemicals
> on it.

I'd probably give it a go if I was really in a gung-ho wallpapering type of mood.

> It's amazing how little we've learned as a society.

i don't think its that. i think its just built into us to screw up.

ah...but right now, i'm recaffeinating myself. i saw some band called "slip" last night. and they weren't too bad. maybe not my speed a lot of the times, but can understand why they had the turnout like they did last night. i was just a bit too tired to get into them.

> I'm lazy too and if I'm in the balcony there's pretty much no chance of me
> standing up. I guess I was just surprised that the people in the very
> front all stayed seated. I'm not used to that. Supposedly Rufus is doing
> another tour in the Spring. Something about NYC and Canada. I regret not
> being able to make it to the 2 NY shows because they seemed really cool
> from what I read.

i check occasionally on the tourdates listed and notice that occasionally, a new date is added. even if right now they are in the pacific northwest area.

> I wish I had a cheapo CD's near me. The place I go rejects things pretty
> easily and I have some serious stinkers that have been sitting around for
> years. Oh the shame. "oh these aren't mine, I'm bringing these in for
> a friend" Yeah that bad.

heh. i own a Celine Dion and Ace of Base CD.

> My dreams never make a modicom of sense. It will start off fairly normal
> and then people who I seem to know in my dream usually start morphing into
> strange beings. Of course the entire time I'll know it's my mom and I'll
> be talking to her and suddenly she'll have a grape for a head. In the
> dream it's all perfectly normal though.

i never get dreams like that. given my nature, i would probably start flipping out if dreamed i was talking to a person with a grape head.

> All mothers do that don't they? I don't think my Mother actually
> understands the difference between The Smiths and Morrissey recording
> solo. Well she understands when I tell her but then she'll forget. She's
> loves Morrissey though. She can even sing along to quite a few of the
> songs. Have you ever seen a 73 year old woman sing along to "There is
> A Light That Never Goes Out"? It's pretty damn funny. Oh and she
> loves Rufus too.

hey, that's pretty cool.

my mom has a better idea than my dad does. i was burning some CDs at their house and he asked if i made one for "Ditto" yet.

he meant Dido.

it was interesting. about two weeks ago, they came over to help me with some stuff and it seemed like of all the things i had in the CD player, she seemed a bit interested in the Edith Piaf.

> You made them to take to work? Geez that's pretty nice. I don't think I
> could ever be so inspired to do something like that. Did they name you
> employee of the month or anything?

oh god no. they're scraping the bottom of the barrel of "who have we not given the award to" and i'm not even at the bottom of the barrel.

i was bored and was in the mood and i obviously couldn't eat them all.

> I'd probably give it a go if I was really in a gung-ho wallpapering type
> of mood.

and then you'd pull your hair out and come running to me saying "its your fault!"

> i don't think its that. i think its just built into us to screw up.

Yeah such as that thing about men wanting to spread their seed around. Let's not forget about that one.

> ah...but right now, i'm recaffeinating myself. i saw some band called
> "slip" last night. and they weren't too bad. maybe not my speed
> a lot of the times, but can understand why they had the turnout like they
> did last night. i was just a bit too tired to get into them.

I went to some shows over the weekend had a nice time and then i come back to find out Belle and Sebastian are touring near me - yah! Finally I'll get to see them.

> heh. i own a Celine Dion and Ace of Base CD.

I managed to escape from the Ace of Base one amazingly. "I saw the sign it opened up my mind" blah blah blah but I liked it for awhile. Celine Dion yeah
I owned one of her earlier CD's years back. What was I thinking? Everything about her annoys me now.

> i never get dreams like that. given my nature, i would probably start
> flipping out if dreamed i was talking to a person with a grape head.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg for me. I have a lot of dreams where I'm being chased, which are the worst dreams for me. I'm always close to getting killed and then I either escape or wake up. I know they say it means you're running from something. Maybe my life? har har.

> my mom has a better idea than my dad does. i was burning some CDs at their
> house and he asked if i made one for "Ditto" yet.
> he meant Dido.

Hehhe parents and older people always get the names wrong. My friends father used to call Guns and Rose's Axel Rose "Axel Rod" by mistake.

> and then you'd pull your hair out and come running to me saying "its
> your fault!"

Stay tuned that might just happen!

> Yeah such as that thing about men wanting to spread their seed around.
> Let's not forget about that one.

i don't believe in that one. i think everyone wants it.

> I went to some shows over the weekend had a nice time and then i come back
> to find out Belle and Sebastian are touring near me - yah! Finally I'll
> get to see them.

hey, really?

i looked on their website, and i think they were hinting that they might play Texas. which, that's definitely a new one. however, i shall take the stance of waiting to see when dates are announced before i get too excited.

> I managed to escape from the Ace of Base one amazingly. "I saw the
> sign it opened up my mind" blah blah blah but I liked it for awhile.
> Celine Dion yeah
> I owned one of her earlier CD's years back. What was I thinking?
> Everything about her annoys me now.

overexposure.

and then she married her producer! the guy who discovered her when she was 12! arrggghhh!!!

> And that's just the tip of the iceberg for me. I have a lot of dreams
> where I'm being chased, which are the worst dreams for me. I'm always
> close to getting killed and then I either escape or wake up. I know they
> say it means you're running from something. Maybe my life? har har.

i have dreams where i'm being chased, but i also have many where i'm being attacked. sometimes i'm in my old house and i'm crawling through the attic and walls to sneak out.

i did dream last night that i was at a Long John Silvers that went out of business, turned into a few other things before turning back into the Long John Silvers, and i was standing in the parking lot and some kids that were using that as their hangout on the weekends were chasing me down.

> Hehhe parents and older people always get the names wrong. My friends
> father used to call Guns and Rose's Axel Rose "Axel Rod" by
> mistake.

hey, i'd probably get a few names wrong. i think i was the last person to know who Britney Spears was as i was watching an episode of the simpsons and she guest starred and i was like "who the hell is she supposed to be?" and probably the very last person who heard the song to the Titanic Soundtrack.

however, since 9-11, i'm doing a better job of keeping in touch with current events by skimming the CNN website. otherwise, i would not have known such important things like about the crematorium where the people who ran in were cohabiting on a land with putrified remains.

you know...good old fashioned junk news. fascinating as it is. i'd rather read that than W. Bush spewing hot air. let's have stories with real facts.

> Stay tuned that might just happen!

hey, but i have to report in and say that i bought the part to my dishwasher and fixed it myself! yes, i completed steps A-Z on my own. it no longer leaks, and more importantly, i didn't electrocute myself or set anything on fire. i'm so glad that i pushed onward despite people's lack of faith in miss girly girl's mechanical abilities.

> i don't believe in that one. i think everyone wants it.

Sure but men are worse. Their brain just falls out of their head.

> hey, really?
> i looked on their website, and i think they were hinting that they might
> play Texas. which, that's definitely a new one. however, i shall take the
> stance of waiting to see when dates are announced before i get too
> excited.

Well, the tickets for the shows on the east coast and Canada are already on sale. I hope they come to Texas for you.

> overexposure.
> and then she married her producer! the guy who discovered her when she was
> 12! arrggghhh!!!

Oh yes him. Hmm...awhile back I caught part of their wedding on one of those creepy celebrity wedding shows. Probably one of the most over the top, pompous things I've seen. Her gown had something like 10,000 "hand sewn" pearls on it. I can just see her barking out the orders.

> i have dreams where i'm being chased, but i also have many where i'm being
> attacked. sometimes i'm in my old house and i'm crawling through the attic
> and walls to sneak out.

Aren't they terrifying? Funny I don't think I've ever been attacked in any of my dreams. Of course it's always close and of course I always think I'm going to die a terrible torturous death. I probably have these dreams because of some strange paranoia that lurks around in my brain. If I'm walking in a dark parking lot at night I always think someone is waiting to jump out and stab me. Surely that's not normal.

> hey, i'd probably get a few names wrong. i think i was the last person to
> know who Britney Spears

I actually remember seeing her on star search when it aired. I also remember Rosie O'Donnell's stint on there. That was when she was sporting her "Elvis" look.

>was as i was watching an episode of the simpsons
> and she guest starred and i was like "who the hell is she supposed to
> be?" and probably the very last person who heard the song to the
> Titanic Soundtrack.

I never even saw the movie, it looked boring as hell. People went on about that movie for months. I have a hard enough time sitting through a 90 minute movie much less, what was it, 2 and a half hours?

I did manage a 2 hour plus movie last week. I rented the movie Pollock about the life of artist Jackson Pollock. I used to think Pollock's paintings were crap. Just a bunch of paint splattered about, silly stuff. I remember telling friends how pretentious I thought his paintings were.

Well, I'm watching this movie and all of a sudden something clicked and I'm thinking hey these paintings are really quite interesting, chaotic, even beautiful. So I went to the bookstore and bought a book on Pollock. Plus the book was titled "Such Desperate Joy" which I thought I'd almost buy the book for the title alone.

> however, since 9-11, i'm doing a better job of keeping in touch with
> current events by skimming the CNN website. otherwise, i would not have
> known such important things like about the crematorium where the people
> who ran in were cohabiting on a land with putrified remains.

Do you ever check the BBC news site? You know the story about how they banned fox hunting in Scotland recently? Well, they ran an article about Anne Robinson
(the woman who hosts the weakest link show) and her pro fox hunting stance, and they had a photo of all these anti-fox hunting activists wearing Anne Robinson face masks and t-shirts saying "Anne you're the weakest link" I found the photo really funny for some reason. The people with the masks looked like some strange alien creatures you'd see in a bad dream.

> you know...good old fashioned junk news. fascinating as it is. i'd rather
> read that than W. Bush spewing hot air.

And having to hear him say "evil doers" over and over.

> hey, but i have to report in and say that i bought the part to my
> dishwasher and fixed it myself! yes, i completed steps A-Z on my own. it
> no longer leaks, and more importantly, i didn't electrocute myself or set
> anything on fire. i'm so glad that i pushed onward despite people's lack
> of faith in miss girly girl's mechanical abilities.

Hey that's great! Now that I've gotten your wallpaper tips maybe one day I'll need to fix a dishwasher - hehe.

Oh one last thing Rufus is going to be on Rosie O Donnell Friday. Singing Across The Universe again - bah for that, and bah for Rosie. Better than nothing though. Maybe she'll interview him.

> Sure but men are worse. Their brain just falls out of their head.

i don't think so. i think they are just allowed to get away with a lot more.

the inherent problems of a patriarchy when women are objectified.

> Well, the tickets for the shows on the east coast and Canada are already
> on sale. I hope they come to Texas for you.

we'll see. i suppose i should keep a better eye out for it than what i am coz i know they have a pretty large following here in town and if i snooze....

> Oh yes him. Hmm...awhile back I caught part of their wedding on one of
> those creepy celebrity wedding shows. Probably one of the most over the
> top, pompous things I've seen. Her gown had something like 10,000
> "hand sewn" pearls on it. I can just see her barking out the
> orders.

but there is something sorta fun about a wedding that is so insane like that. especially when you are already married. what a grandiose and pointless way to waste thousands upon thousands of dollars?

and what do you do with a dress that has 10,000 pearls sewn onto it?

> Aren't they terrifying? Funny I don't think I've ever been attacked in any
> of my dreams. Of course it's always close and of course I always think I'm
> going to die a terrible torturous death. I probably have these dreams
> because of some strange paranoia that lurks around in my brain. If I'm
> walking in a dark parking lot at night I always think someone is waiting
> to jump out and stab me. Surely that's not normal.

you have to take that attitude. or at least, i do. i figure that looking over your shoulder is much safer than the alternative.

> I actually remember seeing her on star search when it aired. I also
> remember Rosie O'Donnell's stint on there. That was when she was sporting
> her "Elvis" look.

i didn't think they've aired Star Search in over a decade. maybe she was 5 years old at the time.

but i was impressed. someone i went to school with said that she had a relative that actually worked on the show and i was like "oooohh!!"

they were probably a stagehand or the equivalent, but that's a big deal when you are out in the sticks.

> I never even saw the movie, it looked boring as hell. People went on about
> that movie for months. I have a hard enough time sitting through a 90
> minute movie much less, what was it, 2 and a half hours?

i've never seen it.

but i'll tell you a bad movie i saw the other night. it's a black comedy called "life without Dick" and it has Sarah Jessica Parker and Harry Connick Jr.

its one of those times i should have been more vocal in putting my foot down, but i had never heard of the movie. even so, i'm developing a suspicion of a lot of "indie" movies like that. they may not have a big budget and they may have subject matter that doesn't fit in with your average $30 million dollar movie, but after watching many of them, i notice that they can be just as formulaic as the big time movies.

> I did manage a 2 hour plus movie last week. I rented the movie Pollock
> about the life of artist Jackson Pollock. I used to think Pollock's
> paintings were crap. Just a bunch of paint splattered about, silly stuff.
> I remember telling friends how pretentious I thought his paintings were.

> Well, I'm watching this movie and all of a sudden something clicked and
> I'm thinking hey these paintings are really quite interesting, chaotic,
> even beautiful. So I went to the bookstore and bought a book on Pollock.
> Plus the book was titled "Such Desperate Joy" which I thought
> I'd almost buy the book for the title alone.

hey, i saw that movie as well!!!

it wasn't too bad. i wasn't too familiar with him as i don't know anything about art outside of a couple of renaissance era painters and some impressionists or something to that effect, but it's like "ah, so you are the one who came up with that splatter look...!"

i remember when i was about 11 and i had water colors and would make smeary paintings like that and thought that i was cool. i made tons of them one summer coz i was bored, and everyone in my family is like "um, whatever..."

the movie itself sorta meandered a bit. it was interesting, but at the same time, it just sorta floated around.

> Do you ever check the BBC news site? You know the story about how they
> banned fox hunting in Scotland recently? Well, they ran an article about
> Anne Robinson
> (the woman who hosts the weakest link show) and her pro fox hunting
> stance, and they had a photo of all these anti-fox hunting activists
> wearing Anne Robinson face masks and t-shirts saying "Anne you're the
> weakest link" I found the photo really funny for some reason. The
> people with the masks looked like some strange alien creatures you'd see
> in a bad dream.

um, no i don't read the BBC website.

i think it's funny that they banned fox hunting because queenie & co. love to do it.

> And having to hear him say "evil doers" over and over.

the axis of evil is a better one.

that's the one that kills me. of course, i think its funnier now that G.W. is finding out that you don't make a lot of friends by randomly saying, "you are the axis of evil!"

which, that reminds me that i keep forgetting to run by the bookstore and pick up Micheal Moore's new book.

but i've been stuck on Lord of the Rings for nearly 2 months and am probably 40 pages into it.

> Hey that's great! Now that I've gotten your wallpaper tips maybe one day
> I'll need to fix a dishwasher - hehe.

technically its not that hard...

> Oh one last thing Rufus is going to be on Rosie O Donnell Friday. Singing
> Across The Universe again - bah for that, and bah for Rosie. Better than
> nothing though. Maybe she'll interview him.

damnit. i need to get my VCR to record. i would sneak into the breakroom at work to watch, but the Nazi's have cut off any station that isn't a signal that is broadcast out of our building.

> i don't think so. i think they are just allowed to get away with a lot
> more.

Yeah, that is true. Women will always be seen as slutty if they sleep with "too many" men and men are just being men and being manly and gathering up notches.
Some things will never change.

> we'll see. i suppose i should keep a better eye out for it than what i am
> coz i know they have a pretty large following here in town and if i
> snooze....

Don't snooze!

> but there is something sorta fun about a wedding that is so insane like
> that. especially when you are already married. what a grandiose and
> pointless way to waste thousands upon thousands of dollars?

That's what happens whne you have too much money. You start buying useless
crap. Like miniture canopy doggie beds encrusted in rubies.

> and what do you do with a dress that has 10,000 pearls sewn onto it?

Put it in a large homemade crystal case and display in prominently in your 120 room home.

> you have to take that attitude. or at least, i do. i figure that looking
> over your shoulder is much safer than the alternative.

True. Everyone acts like I'm a little nutty because of it though.

> i didn't think they've aired Star Search in over a decade. maybe she was 5
> years old at the time.

Nah she was in her 20's I'd say. It was pretty bad.

> but i was impressed. someone i went to school with said that she had a
> relative that actually worked on the show and i was like
> "oooohh!!"

Do they have any good stories? You can't do that and not have good stories.
Or maybe they were too behind the scenes.

> the movie itself sorta meandered a bit. it was interesting, but at the
> same time, it just sorta floated around.

Pretty much my thoughts exactly. I kinda have a thing for Ed Harris though.
So on top of wanting to see more about Jackson out of curiosity the whole Ed Harris thing spurred me on. I always like the whole tortured artist thing too.

> the axis of evil is a better one.

I missed that one! Now that is funny.

> but i've been stuck on Lord of the Rings for nearly 2 months and am
> probably 40 pages into it.

Did you see the movie? My friend keeps asking me to go but I just can't bring
myself to plus it's sooo long.

> damnit. i need to get my VCR to record. i would sneak into the breakroom
> at work to watch, but the Nazi's have cut off any station that isn't a
> signal that is broadcast out of our building.

I'm definitely going to tape it. I'll send you a copy of it if you like. I think Rosie always interviews the musical guests so it should be interesting.

> Yeah, that is true. Women will always be seen as slutty if they sleep with
> "too many" men and men are just being men and being manly and
> gathering up notches.
> Some things will never change.

it's not only that, but the idea of women as people that would just eliminate a lot of problems.

> Don't snooze!

i'll try not to, but you know that we're coming upon a busy time of the year. March madness for me. no basketball, but more SXSW and just the other random things that manage to present themselves at this time of year and i'm guaranteeing an "oops!" will present itself at some point.

> That's what happens whne you have too much money. You start buying useless
> crap. Like miniture canopy doggie beds encrusted in rubies.

i like going into stores that have useless crap. but i never want to buy anything.

and like hell if any pet of mine is going to have anything with rubies. i've seen cats in motion. given a choice between rubies and a moth fluttering around, they are going to go for the moth every time.

> Put it in a large homemade crystal case and display in prominently in your
> 120 room home.

hmmm. yes, i could go for that.

> True. Everyone acts like I'm a little nutty because of it though.

you apparently don't live in the right part of town for it!

the city where i live is filled with sex freaks. i always check around to see who's around.

> Nah she was in her 20's I'd say. It was pretty bad.

???

are we talking of the same person?

> Do they have any good stories? You can't do that and not have good
> stories.
> Or maybe they were too behind the scenes.

no, they didn't have any stories. i didn't know this person that well, and i guess i just wasn't really thinking of scandals involving Ed McMahon at that moment.

> Pretty much my thoughts exactly. I kinda have a thing for Ed Harris
> though.
> So on top of wanting to see more about Jackson out of curiosity the whole
> Ed Harris thing spurred me on. I always like the whole tortured artist
> thing too.

and what a messy life it was. makes me glad that i'm dull.

> I missed that one! Now that is funny.

you haven't heard about the axis of evil? that's a classic behind annus horribilus and 1,000 points of light!

at work we were watching divorce court, and someone cracked the reason for dissolution was "my husband is the axis of evil!"

which, i'm sure he's just jumping the wagon before that joke ages and eventually ends up as a punch line on King of Queens.

> Did you see the movie? My friend keeps asking me to go but I just can't
> bring
> myself to plus it's sooo long.

how do you have a time limit for movies, and don't you know of all the good films you are missing?

Lord of the Rings was easily the best film i saw last year. Moulin Rouge was terrible. Shrek was overrated. A Beautiful Mind was good, but had something missing.

and so forth.

> I'm definitely going to tape it. I'll send you a copy of it if you like. I
> think Rosie always interviews the musical guests so it should be
> interesting.

um, you don't have to if you don't wanna.

i'm almost afraid that she's going to sit him down and try to make him sing show tunes along with her.

i wish they would stop. Sarah McLachlan is getting airplay from that song, but that doesn't mean its a good idea for him to do it as well.

> it's not only that, but the idea of women as people that would just
> eliminate a lot of problems.

Yes but let's not hold our breath.

> i like going into stores that have useless crap. but i never want to buy
> anything.

Like those dollar stores? Or more upscale than that? I don't really like those stores. Just too much useless stuff, it bores me. I just can't get excited being surrounded by cheap kitchen implements.

> and like hell if any pet of mine is going to have anything with rubies.

But when you have a lot of money something happens to your brain and you start
buying weird useless stuff.

> i've seen cats in motion. given a choice between rubies and a moth
> fluttering around, they are going to go for the moth every time.

Well of course but it's not about what the cat wants it's about what the owner wants. That's what's so funny.

> you apparently don't live in the right part of town for it!
> the city where i live is filled with sex freaks. i always check around to
> see who's around.

Sex freaks are everywhere!

> ???
> are we talking of the same person?

Rosie O Donnell? I think so, or did I get lost. I saw her on Star Search say maybe 10 years ago, maybe less, and she looked like she was in her late 20's or maybe her 30's. It was right before the time when she got that job on VH1 and she had that Elvis look.

> and what a messy life it was. makes me glad that i'm dull.

It's interesting to observe though.

> you haven't heard about the axis of evil?

Umm no? I'm almost embarrased.

> how do you have a time limit for movies, and don't you know of all the
> good films you are missing?

Yeah yeah probably but I can't help it.

The thought of sitting through a long movie freaks me out. I guess I have a short attention span. I took one look at the running time for Lord of The Rings and thought I'd better pass. I just don't feel sure I'd like it I guess. It's that whole science fiction/fantasy theme. I hate that kind of stuff.

Reminds me of the time way back in junior high school when i had to choose an activity class and my friend talked me into talking Dungeons and Dragons.
The kids were really into it and I just couldn't get it. It seemed so odd.

> Lord of the Rings was easily the best film i saw last year.

>Moulin Rouge was terrible. Shrek was overrated.

What was Shrek about anyway? I saw the cover of the DVD in the store and it had some big green comic monster on it.

>A Beautiful Mind was good, but had something missing.
> and so forth.

Did you see In The Bedroom? My friend talked me into going to the movies this
weekend, my choice, and I can't decide what movie would be best.

> um, you don't have to if you don't wanna.

Ok I won't then :P Nah just kidding.

> i'm almost afraid that she's going to sit him down and try to make him
> sing show tunes along with her.

LOL! That's right I forgot she does that. There's the potential for some really
campy television.

> i wish they would stop.

I was just thinking this the other day. They're pushing too hard and the worst part is Rufus just seems fine going along with it. I think Rufus secretly craves the popularity. In one of his live shows that I have he talks about how they are trying to get him on the radio and then he shouts "and I wanna be on the radio!"

Then in other interviews he'll say "oh my parents did it right, I'd be happy if I ended up with a career like theirs" I don't really believe him though. Oh and he does keep saying that he wants to make millions so that is another factor spurring him on I'm sure.

>Sarah McLachlan is getting airplay from that song,
> but that doesn't mean its a good idea for him to do it as well.

Personally I think he should try and pull back a bit. It's getting a little
weird. I mean Rosie O'Donnell? Jay Leno was one thing but daytime talk shows is a whole other bag of beans.

Those people on the message board are nice and all but they really don't have a clue. They keep saying oh I hope he gets some popularity out of this, I hope he can make a ton of money. And they are wetting themselves at the fact that they have added Across The Universe to all future copies of Poses, preordering copies of it and all. They just don't get it.

of all things, i saw my first opera tonight. Carl Orff's Antigonae. the university was putting it on and someone in our choir was singing the lead role of Antigonae, so of course, we had to go.

its very strange, but some really good voices.

> Yes but let's not hold our breath.

> Like those dollar stores? Or more upscale than that? I don't really like
> those stores. Just too much useless stuff, it bores me. I just can't get
> excited being surrounded by cheap kitchen implements.

oh no, not that stuff. i'm talking about good junk. but not very expensive stuff.

> But when you have a lot of money something happens to your brain and you
> start
> buying weird useless stuff.

its probably boredom. that, and you think "hell, what else am i going to use my money for?"

> Well of course but it's not about what the cat wants it's about what the
> owner wants. That's what's so funny.

well, i'm more in tune with kitties and would probably run out and buy it a bunch of moths and Texas Mosquitoes.

> Sex freaks are everywhere!

> Rosie O Donnell? I think so, or did I get lost. I saw her on Star Search
> say maybe 10 years ago, maybe less, and she looked like she was in her
> late 20's or maybe her 30's. It was right before the time when she got
> that job on VH1 and she had that Elvis look.

ah, for some reason i thought you were referring to Britney Spears!

yes, i know what you are talking about.

the video was probably actually older than that because she was in that movie "a league of their own" back around '91 and she had been around for a while at that point.

> It's interesting to observe though.

> Umm no? I'm almost embarrased.

yes, that was what Bush used during his State of the Union address to refer to select countries that we wish to blow the shit out of.

not that i watched the speech, but you can't get away from it.

> Yeah yeah probably but I can't help it.

> The thought of sitting through a long movie freaks me out. I guess I have
> a short attention span. I took one look at the running time for Lord of
> The Rings and thought I'd better pass. I just don't feel sure I'd like it
> I guess. It's that whole science fiction/fantasy theme. I hate that kind
> of stuff.

but its a different sort of thing. as i said, i'm very slowly reading the book and from the 40 pages i've read so far, i'm deducing that the amount of Dungeons and Dragons detailism found in the book is shrunk to almost nothing in the movie.

> Reminds me of the time way back in junior high school when i had to choose
> an activity class and my friend talked me into talking Dungeons and
> Dragons.
> The kids were really into it and I just couldn't get it. It seemed so odd.

well, because that's more hard core. think of this as something similar to the original starwars movies where its treated more like the accepted universe than something that geeks can sit around and debate who's dad is what and who these people are and who the ruler of this place is and so forth.

> What was Shrek about anyway? I saw the cover of the DVD in the store and
> it had some big green comic monster on it.

yeah, pretty much. that's the story. its just an ogre who gets roped into doing the evil king's work of slaying the dragon to rescue the princess and eventually the ogre and princess fall in love even though she is supposed to like this king.

> Did you see In The Bedroom? My friend talked me into going to the movies
> this
> weekend, my choice, and I can't decide what movie would be best.

i have no clue. there are a bunch of movies i don't know anything about. and some that i wish i had no clue.

a beautiful mind is really good.

> Ok I won't then :P Nah just kidding.

> LOL! That's right I forgot she does that. There's the potential for some
> really
> campy television.

i assume she still does it. i hadn't seen her show in a while, and no, i didn't record it. i need to buy a remote control for my VCR because you can't program it directly on the VCR itself and i don't know where my remote has gone.

i suppose i'm too cheap. either that, or i keep forgetting.

but he might be game for it as he loves that sorta stuff. but since it aired today, i'm sure you can say the details.

> I was just thinking this the other day. They're pushing too hard and the
> worst part is Rufus just seems fine going along with it. I think Rufus
> secretly craves the popularity. In one of his live shows that I have he
> talks about how they are trying to get him on the radio and then he shouts
> "and I wanna be on the radio!"

> Then in other interviews he'll say "oh my parents did it right, I'd
> be happy if I ended up with a career like theirs" I don't really
> believe him though. Oh and he does keep saying that he wants to make
> millions so that is another factor spurring him on I'm sure.

i suppose it does suck when you know you're good but can't break into radio. i think that deep down, all artists want that sort of recognition. even if they say that they don't.

but i keep forgetting to mention that i've finally managed to listen to Starsailor.

i dunno. it's like Led Zepplin meets radiohead. i liked the opening track ok, but i don't think i'm in the mood to listen to stuff like this yet.

i hate that when its something that might be good, but i can't get into it coz its the wrong flavor of what i'm looking for. i suppose that's where personal preference instead of being an unbiased listener ends up ruling.

> Personally I think he should try and pull back a bit. It's getting a
> little
> weird. I mean Rosie O'Donnell? Jay Leno was one thing but daytime talk
> shows is a whole other bag of beans.

but they eventually start doing that, even though i'm not sure why he thinks that chubby soccer moms are going to be the thrust of his career.

> Those people on the message board are nice and all but they really don't
> have a clue. They keep saying oh I hope he gets some popularity out of
> this, I hope he can make a ton of money. And they are wetting themselves
> at the fact that they have added Across The Universe to all future copies
> of Poses, preordering copies of it and all. They just don't get it.

why would they want it? if it were a new and unreleased track of his, maybe...

i haven't had much time to keep up with them these days. the moz-solo messageboard is much easier to deal with. it's smaller and i know the characters to the soap opera.

but wasn't it the guy who wrote "walden" that said that even after his quest to lead a transcendental life, there are paths worn from his predictable daily movements?

as much as i love Rufus Wainwright, i'm having a hard time getting massively excited over him. true, it was probably the same for me with morrissey in the beginning, but morrissey is a good character to stalk around. he appears, he disappears and on the surface none of it makes sense. even now, in his "whatever!" phase, i still feel odd obsessing over Rufus wainwright.

> of all things, i saw my first opera tonight. Carl Orff's Antigonae. the
> university was putting it on and someone in our choir was singing the lead
> role of Antigonae, so of course, we had to go.

Nice!

> its very strange, but some really good voices.

I've been to a few operas, my mother loves the opera. I actually haven't even heard of Antigonae.

> its probably boredom. that, and you think "hell, what else am i going
> to use my money for?"

I used to do that until I moved recently and realized how much crap I'd collected over the years. Now I'm more paranoid about it. If it looks like something I won't use 3 months from now I won't buy it. I'm into streamlining
now.

> but its a different sort of thing. as i said, i'm very slowly reading the
> book and from the 40 pages i've read so far, i'm deducing that the amount
> of Dungeons and Dragons detailism found in the book is shrunk to almost
> nothing in the movie.

Have you read The Hobbit?

> well, because that's more hard core. think of this as something similar to
> the original starwars movies where its treated more like the accepted
> universe than something that geeks can sit around and debate who's dad is
> what and who these people are and who the ruler of this place is and so
> forth.

Maybe I'll give the movie a chance next week. It looks good. If I hate it I'll just blame you :P

> a beautiful mind is really good.

Well, the weekend is over and I didn't go to the movies. Instead I went out with a friend and we ended up coming home and watching Trading Spaces on TLC.

In case you don't know it's a show where they have two homeowners that live next door and they swap houses and redecorate/make over one room with the help of interior decorators. An odd way to spend a Saturday night maybe but it was fun. What's humorous is they always give ideas as to what they'd like done and they usually don't listen so a lot of times the people end up mortified.

> i assume she still does it. i hadn't seen her show in a while, and no, i
> didn't record it. i need to buy a remote control for my VCR because you
> can't program it directly on the VCR itself and i don't know where my
> remote has gone.

Drop me a line if you'd like a copy of it. Someone on the message board also put a windows media clip of it up so you can watch it there if you prefer.

> i suppose i'm too cheap. either that, or i keep forgetting.

Those remotes are dirt cheap you can get them for like 8.00.

> but he might be game for it as he loves that sorta stuff. but since it
> aired today, i'm sure you can say the details.

There was no showtunes for one. He sang better than on Leno and she interviewed him and Martha for a few minutes, it was a pretty cute interview. The ridiculous thing was they had these monitors up around the stage playing the video for Across the Universe at the same time. Overkill really. It was a nice performance although they are really ramming that song down my throat at this point.

> i suppose it does suck when you know you're good but can't break into
> radio. i think that deep down, all artists want that sort of recognition.
> even if they say that they don't.

I agree.

> but i keep forgetting to mention that i've finally managed to listen to
> Starsailor. i dunno. it's like Led Zepplin meets radiohead. i liked the >opening track ok, but i don't think i'm in the mood to listen to stuff like this yet.

I listened to some song clips off of it from CD now the other day and couldn't get into it. I don't know, it sounded so mainstream to me. Maybe I didn't hear enough. Plus I couldn't get into his voice, or maybe it was just their sound. Then again maybe the timing is just off. Sometimes I'll hear something and hate it and then all of a sudden it will click. That happened to me with Kate Bush.

> why would they want it? if it were a new and unreleased track of his,
> maybe...

Because they said they have to pick up anything Rufus related.

> i haven't had much time to keep up with them these days. the moz-solo
> messageboard is much easier to deal with. it's smaller and i know the
> characters to the soap opera.

I feel like I'm back in high school when I'm on there. Plus whenever I post I end up arguing with someone which of course is just ridiculous but somehow I can't help myself.

> but wasn't it the guy who wrote "walden" that said that even
> after his quest to lead a transcendental life, there are paths worn from
> his predictable daily movements?

That sounds like something he'd say. I never heard that one. I love good quotes. Two of my favorites of his are "Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes" and "Many go fishing all their lives without knowing that it is not fish they are after"

> as much as i love Rufus Wainwright, i'm having a hard time getting
> massively excited over him. true, it was probably the same for me with
> morrissey in the beginning, but morrissey is a good character to stalk
> around. he appears, he disappears and on the surface none of it makes
> sense.

Oh the Morrissey mystique.

>even now, in his "whatever!" phase, i still feel odd
> obsessing over Rufus wainwright.

Nah I'm too old for obsessing. I don't think I obsess actually. (The first sign of an addict, she won't admit she's obsessing) I swear I don't have a poster of him plastered on my wall and I haven't scribbled his name in casual places. At least not yet